On a Monday edition of the Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Thunder's game seven mauling of the Denver Nuggets as he was there to experience it all.
Doug and the crew share what they loved most and what they hates most about the weekend in this week's installment of "Love AND Hate".
Doug gives his theory on why game six of the Knicks series and game seven of the Thunder series were blowouts. Doug welcomes NBA Insider Ric Bucher onto the show to talk about the two deciding games from the weekend in the NBA and to preview the conference finals.
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G, so.
Maybe CDEFG. Okay, so we're seven rows back, but I think there are also ten double let there's ten like double letters down loads. We're like seventeen rows back. And so you're generally in with a solid group of season ticket holders, okay, and the constant booing, yelling, basketball sayings or basketball fan things to point out that aren't I'll give you two things. Every time Yokich went to the line, there was one guy to my left that was calling him a flopper, and the guy behind me was calling him a free throw merchant. And I'm like, and I turned the guy behind me and I was like, you know, maybe, but you do not like shait is the biggest free throw merchant in the league, right, Like that's a that's a real thing. Like he's an unbelievable free throw merchant. He has the ability in the regular season to go and get fouled. They don't call it much in the postseason, so pod calling kettle black is just a weird thing to me, and then the other one is, hey, here's a deal. Sometimes your team does, in fact foul right, sometimes outside of take fouls. It was like anytime there was a call on the thunder Water, are you looking at? All they do is flop like it's not possible that there are zero fouls committed by your team. So they're using like common terminology in the NBA. So there are some level of real NBA fan. They're not like, oh, this is my first time to get go team in. Are we in blue or and white?
Right?
It's not like they're not knowledgeable, it's they have a little bit of knowledge, and yet it comes out as obnoxious. Obnoxious.
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous at times. And that seems like the scenario where where it is I can understand complaining about certain calls here and there, the not the MVP stuff, the ever just to know that stuff that doesn't bother me, because it's kind of like an MVP chant, Like you will start an MVP chant for your guy even if maybe he really isn't even now SGA obviously is, but you're just trying to support the guy. Does it really mean that it's that the players an MVP when maybe he would finish sixth in voting talking about other arenas. I don't mind that sort of stuff. So you're trying to find something out of Yokich I'm cool with that. But I could not stand sitting there for two hours listening to someone complain about fouls that are called, especially two if you think of the outcome of it, Imagine if the Thunder were never called for a foul. Imagine the blowback from the media and everybody else around the country and saying, how did the Thunder not get called for any fowls? Yeah, that would annoy me.
I'm with you. I would also tell you that I I like Shay Gildas Alexander. I liked him. You go back to look at his pre draft stuff. I've always liked him. I thought when they made the trade with the Clippers, it's a great trade. I think he's probably gonna win the MVP. But I would also tell you that he wasn't close to the best overall player on the court yesterday, like a look, A good portion of it is the Nuggets were in his zone, so he couldn't be his usual self. And when when Jokicic went out Jalen Williams attacked the rim, got it going, and then the turnovers happened, and then it just kind of snowballed on the nuggets. But it's I think I've nailed it in the He's a better score than Jokich's no question whether he scores more points or not. He need to score more points, and he's efficient doing it. He's an unbelievable scorer. But I mean, Jokich makes does He's the whole team. He does everything, and I get that we can pick out defensively when he does and doesn't challenge shots. He is so smart with it and understands angles and when to foul and when not to foul, when to wall up, when not to wall up. A remarkable passer. Yeah, he kind of is sloppy with his body, throwing it around all the time, but that's kind of part of the beauty to it. So I again, I have no idea who's going to win the MVP. I think it'll be Shay because you get they get fatigue over the big guys. But Jokic is the best player in the world, or the best player that I've seen in the world. Here's Mark Dagno who's the head coach of the Thunder talking about the difference in the game for his team.
Yeah, I thought our pressure today was a difference maker in the game. And we access that at different times in the series, but today we did it, you know, most consistently for the forty eight minutes. And we didn't even play a perfect game on offense, but you know, it was just such a catalyst the pressure, the deflections, the turnovers, and you know, even when they got shots, I thought the pressure and help really disrupted the rhythm of those shots. And the guys just did a great job of, you know, sifting through all the noise of a game seven and just focusing on what we need to do to win, and we really executed it.
It Stug gott Leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, he's right, and look, of course he sees he's the coach. But that game, that game was one based on their pressure defense, pressuring them because if you're gonna front your kitch, you have to pressure the basketball. You can't front and then play soft because then they just lop it over the top. They pressure, pressure, pressured, and the Nuggets had no answers. Here's SGA talk about how games haven't played.
Out the nerves was natural. We obviously didn't shoot, We actually shot horrible to start the game, but I knew like we were getting really good looks and if we just stuck with it that like we would loosen up in the ball and you know, find the basket. And it did so well. I never, like, I never was worried by the way we started. We had the right intentions. We had tighten a little bit up on defensive on the defensive end, but once I felt the flow of the game and we had the right intentions and the right energy, I knew it would turn around for us. It means a lot, specifically for the city. They've been so good all year, have been behind us through good through bad, like it doesn't feel like it feels like like no team in the league has home court advantags like we do. And that's all due to them. With the T shirts, the cheering, the screaming, the chance, they really give us like energy out there and we've been a better team because of them and having them behind us, And to know that if we didn't bring it tonight it could be over for them as well wasn't fair. And we wanted to play for them as well.
Here's David Adelman, who's the the intermat coach of the Nuggets, talking about the loss.
When you lose, it's crushing and it's the last time you'll be in the room with those guys, and it's beyond that you only get one of these, you know, this is the one moment we had together to make this run. And they're all individual to themselves, they're also special. Anybody that's played sports understands that. So walking out of that locker room is uh, it's crushing, and it's gonna take a while leat over that one, like I thought.
You know, it's obviously it's hard. And I fully confess that I don't watch any many or maybe any full Nuggets game in the regular season. If I was to be coach to coach critical, it would be that you couldn't you know, when the Thunder got back in the game in the second quarter, it was when both of his two stars were out of the game and he left Aaron. I don't know if he left Aaron Gordon out there, but I know he took Jok and Murray out at the same time. And you just they just don't have enough. They just don't have enough. And then the other part would be if a team is pressuring you, you have to have pressure counters. You have to whatever you do, you and this this is the old AU coach and me my dad is the old AU coach, which is that's how AU basketball is generally played in California. Which is pressure pressure, pressure pressure? Do you actually start with how to break pressure before you learn about running offense? And I felt like they just didn't have the predetermined answers for how to attack that kind of defense. And and look, I also disagree with Shay. I don't think they took They took good shots for bad shooters in the first quarter. You know they had the wrong guys shooting the basketball. But you get that many steals, that many lamps, that much momentum, of course the ball is gonna start going in.
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What with your Doug got Lap Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having a great day The Doug gott Leap Show broadcast live two places. The boys are in Sherman Oaks, California, and your boys in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Hope you had a great weekend. You're getting ready for Memorial Day, which is the unofficial, unofficial first weekend of summer. We don't go by soul this, no no, no, no no. We go buy labored a Memorial Labor Day and Memorral Day. Start right. Iowa Sam and Iowa Sean both in the house. So too is Dan byer Am a man jay Stu. For forty years, Tyrak has been helping customers find the right tires for how, what and where they drive. Ship Fast and free back by free Road has protection with convenient insulation options like mobile tire installation. Tyraq dot com the way tire buying should be. I don't think I'm gonna it's there's no place for calls on it. But I think we have time to have a great and reasonable discussion about the Caitlin Clark angel rees plus the accusations about Fever fans upcoming upcoming, But before we can get to that, Every Monday we like to recap the weekend in things that we enjoyed we didn't enjoy. We call it love and hate.
What did you love?
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Meetles Clare Hayes Love Love Love Love Love, Hey Hey, Hey, Hey, what'd you love from the weekend? What'd you hate from the weekend? Teaze? All right, I'm gonna start boys. I was watching the New York Knicks demolished the Boston Celtics Game six Eastern Conference semi Finals, and I watched them pan the crowd and Pat Ewing's there, and Bernard King is there, and every dignitary in New York is there, stephen A Smith there And suddenly now stephen A is back to being a Knicks fan after disowning the team a couple of years ago. The fans are there. Remember, the fans are wanting to sell the team, sell the team. Jim Dolan's still the owner of the Knicks, Yes he is. Nothing has changed there, you know it's changed. They're winning. They're winning. And oh yeah, by the way, no one has said, hey, Jim Dolan, great job handing over control to Leon Rose. Nobody can't. That doesn't make him the greatest dude, or a great owner, or not a dysfunctional place to work. I don't know anything about that. I haven't. My point is what I love is sometimes cliches, you can prove it to somebody, and the cliche is winning cures all Ills, right, zero things change with the ownership of the New York Knicks, zero things change. And Tom Tibodeau right, Uh, he couldn't. He wears out guys, they don't have it left in the playoffs of this, he's that or whatever. Timbs sort of vindicated as well. Right. The only thing that's changed is they've got a little bit better as a team, that they have team toughness, team competitiveness and their best players a very as a winning player. And they didn't get hurt and the Celtics did winning cuz all Ills don't believe me. I give you the New York knickerbockers. I love that it played out at MSG on Friday night, Dan Byer, what'd you love for the weekend? Doug.
I'm going to take a unique twist on this because we teased it earlier and I don't love one side of it, but I do love the other side of it. And the other side is I love that Bryson de Shambo continues to speak with the media and understands on how things can work and how things work to his benefit and works for the fans benefit. Bryson shoots seventy one under round one under par round yesterday, but doesn't win the PGA Championship, ends up in a tie for second place, five back a Scottie Scheffler. There was a point on Saturday where Bryson was in it, but then he ended up falling off a little bit and Scheffler kind of ran away, not ran away from the pack, but gained separation on Saturday. Bryson talked after the round on Saturday, talked after the round on Sunday. Spoke with the media after the master's loss a month ago when Rory McElroy won, and that pales into comparison to what Rory McElroy did this week in not speaking after the rounds or any of the rounds at the PGA Championship. And I'm a big Rory fan, but I did not like his decisions this week in not speaking with the media, especially when his driver ended up being pulled from competition because it failed a conformity test. Now, he never used it during any of the rounds, but he had a new driver this week and obviously something wasn't right. Rory made the cut but wasn't in contention at all. And I think you just have to you have to talk in those situations. Tiger Woods spoke all the time. Now, he won a lot, but he didn't win every single time, and Tiger Woods was always speaking with the media, and so Rory, who was on top of the all world a month ago, now kind of goes incognito. It was a shame to see because he had always been outspoken and kind of got burned by it throughout the early Live days then kind of took a step back. And I don't know if he's gun shy dug in speaking, but to not speak after any of the rounds, I think it's a disservice, especially for a guy who's won that championship twice in his career.
Yeah, yes, I couldn't agree more so. I love that Bryson heartbreak, right, who's had a tough reputation with the media.
Right.
Yes, it's really interesting like Rory's kind of been protected class. Bryce has been a guy that people have gone after, and Bryson did the right thing. I think we both agree. You promote your sport, it's part of what it's part of how it all works together.
Yeah, and Bryson's got other interests obviously, I mean he's playing on Live, but also his YouTube channel and the things that he does there, so he understands it. Amanda Balionis, who did the interview with Bryson, was extremely like gracious and like, thank you so much for talking to us. I know it's probably not, you know, the best time, but yeah, like she understands it and and Bryson gets it as well. For some reason, Rory didn't this weekend.
Uh, I was Sean and I was what's you left for the weekend?
I did love the Indiana Fevers romp over the Chicago sky. What a difference a year makes this team with a pretty much you know, a couple new faces. They look bigger, they look faster, they just look even though it's kind of a new ensemble with a new coach.
They look more organized.
And the first half against the guy was a little clunky and Kaylyn Clark picked up a couple of fouls.
She wasn't shooting great.
The second half they just let it rip and they won by thirty five. Was one of the biggest margins of a victory they've had. And I think an opener or any any WNBA game, I was, I sat down for this game and I was hooting and hollering and whooping and hollering, and you know, you had the moment between Kayln Clark and Angel Reese. And I mean, I just remember last year's opening game. I think it was against the Sun. It was just a struggle. Kaitlyn Clark looked like she just didn't, you know, belong out there. Obviously she she would prove that wrong, but she proved that otherwise. But this she just looks stronger. She was throwing passes out there like a quarterback. That was fun. That was fun, and the Fever are gonna be fun to watch. I definitely think they're a contender. I loved it. I loved it, and I listen. I called this a rivalry on Friday or Thursday actually, and whether people want to acknowledge it as such, I think it's definitely a rivalry between these two, these two teams.
And I'm gonna go ahead and I'm just going to piggyback on on what he loves because just for the sake of time, yes, I know this isn't Iowa Northwestern, but yes, uh, just for the second time, I'm going to piggyback on this. I don't care if the Fever win. I don't care if they're better. I like watching Kaitlyn Clark. I watched every minute of that game. If you would have told me two years ago that you're gonna spend us Saturday afternoon tuning into every minute of a w NBA game, I would have asked which of the Avengers chose to play in the WNB?
So good? Yeah, so good?
And to see Sam Sam touched on this. She left assists on the court. There are still passes that her teammates can't quite handle. She constantly pushes the tempo. I love seeing what she does two opponents like there's a lot of that magic on Saturday that we saw in college. I like that about her and I'm gonna keep watching until she becomes just kind of a pedestrian good player.
Yeah, there are points that they could have gone over one hundred, and there were several close shots they missed. And they'll get that under ring and they'll get that under control.
But wow, that's what we loved. Let's get till we hated from the weekend or with our resident hater, Jason Stewart.
Jase, I couldn't stand that my nuggets got their asses kicked and it's not necessarily that I had any prediction or anything, But I really do believe that the best content moving forward would have been would have been Jokic winning, because people hate when he wins. It was frustrating. I hated the fact that it wasn't even really a game after the first quarter and that the Thunder just like ran them over. Jokic couldn't do a single thing. He was getting almost no help. Westbrook kind of showed us what Doug has always said about him in this series. I think the overall stats were like a minus thirty three or something the whole series ninety five thirty three maybe was just in the fourth quarter on on on Sunday. So I hated that it was disappointing. I was gearing up for a good game. That's all we hoped for was a good game, and it just was miserable.
So I hated that.
I thought you would have hated by Angel sweeping your Dodgers. But that's okay, damn byer Doug.
It was a tough weekend for my hopes of a Canadian team lifting Lord Stanley's Cup, as sixty six percent of the Canadian teams went down in conference semi final action and that includes the Winnipeg Jets on Saturday night losing to the Dallas Stars. Now, the Leafs lost last night in Game seven at home to the Florida Panthers, which is very, very Toronto Maple leaf esque. But what happened on Saturday is I think a moment, and it's more than a moment of just absolute heartbreak when it comes to Mark Shiffley of the Winnipeg Jets. For those that maybe don't follow hockey or have followed the playoffs of what has gone on, Shifley's dad passed away within twenty four hours forty eight hours of them playing Game six on Saturday night, and Shiffley decided to play in the game and had a goal in the contest to put them up one nothing in the second period. Dallas ends up evening the score. They're nearing the end of the third period, Hied up at one apiece and Dallas is almost almost as a breakaway. Shiffy ends up committing a penalty. They could have called the penalty shot they did not, but in the end it gave Dallas a two minute power play. They went overtime, but on that power play, with Mark Schiffley in the penalty box, Dallas scored an end of the series, and so we see a lot of situations, I should say a lot of situations. The Brett Favre situation is the most popular one, right Farv's dad passes. He plays against the Raiders in Oakland on Monday Night football and has the game of his life and everybody is like, my goodness, But we never think of the flip side and how Mark Shifley could have felt and if you would have seen how his teammates and how the Dallas Stars tried to console him after Game six. Admirable by them, but just an awful feeling for a guy who obviously feels responsible that it was his penalty that may have cost them, despite him having a goal earlier in the game, and now he's got to go and bear his dad like just absolutely awful. But that that handshake line was so long because everybody was just stopping him and all the Dallas Stars were you know, giving him words of you know, encouragement or sympathy. Yeah, it was just quite the scene in Dallas on Saturn.
Okay, okay, I'll just I hated Game six and Game seven. I hated the under and sheer dominance of the Celtics obviously above the Knicks against the Celtics and the thunder against the Nuggets, Like, I mean, those tickets cost good money. Yesterday I was fired up, and as much as it's fun, you know, it's like such a blowout and everybody's celebrating and having a great time, Like you really want to know what's inside of a Shay Gildess, Alexander, what's inside of a you know? The magic till the Jalen Brunson is not the forty point blowout. It's the what happens in a one point game when one of those guys has the ball, a chance to win the game, and we didn't. We were we didn't see it. Now again, it's only a semi finals. We eventually will get that answer. But it just I don't know, I hates a strong word, but it's part of the segment. I just hated the fact that those games that we all thought were gonna build up to some crescendo and be some incredible finish were over before the final quarter ever started over. Not competitive for either of those two Like when you're I feel for those guys at the end of both of those benches who didn't play previously in the series, then all of a sudden they're out there playing like ten minutes. Do you know how sore those guys are. Jalen Pickett who played at Sienna at Penn State, like he's playing like the last eight minutes. That is, who has dust enough the needs to go out there and play. But I just hated how those guy games were non competitive. IOA.
Sam Rick Heller has been i Iowa Baseball's skipper for over a decade now. He's done a great job. He's got in Iowa baseball to three NCAA tournaments. He's won a tournament championship. But Iowa was in the closest position it had been in a long long time to winning a regular season Big Ten championship in baseball. They haven't won one since nineteen ninety. They had a great march in a great April. They were like, had a huge lead on the rest of the Big Ten until they started playing the West Coast teams that are now in the Big Ten, and it was like a slow death, like of a python squeezing you and just sucking the life out of you. They just needed one win over Oregon to at least share some of the Big Ten championship, and they just have had the worst go of it against these They played Oregon State, Oregon, Washington and there's something like one win, one tie, was a weird tie, and a bunch of losses, and over the weekend the chances of winning that Big Ten championship were just slowly stripped.
Away from them. It was very hard to watch.
It shows you the talent level is so much different West Coast Baseball. Now, what they bring to the Big Ten, they're gonna up the quality of the conference overall. But man, that was hard to watch because Io fattened up on all the Midwest League, all the Midwest teams in the Big Ten, and then when they got to the West Coast, it was like a buzz saw.
They just went down in flames.
And that's love it. Hey.
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Right.
A HYPOTHESI is a theory that's not yet proven. Right. So Game six for the Celtics and Nicks was a complete and utter blowout, and Game seven for Thunder versus Nuggets became a complete and utter blowout after early on Nuggets dominating and then kind of losing control into the first half. But in trying to figure out why, right, Like, the conversations about about game sevens usually are man, they were decided by one play here, one play. There are memories even of Game sevens are that they were all close. The reality is they're not. There's been plenty of crummy Game sevens, but having them in basically back to back fashion. I know it wasn't back to back, but having a Sunday one and a Friday one makes it seem like, why are these so bad? So I'll give you a couple of possible reasons behind it, and then we'll discuss. So the first thing is quite obviously, the Celtics weren't healthy, and after one game of playing without Jason Tatum, now reality sets in, reality sets in, and there's a reason that Jason Tatum was the Finals MVP. There's a reason that he's gonna make three hundred million dollars next year. And one day at home, you can pick up the slack, you can have great energy, you can get over the hump, but then you have to go do it again on the road and suddenly they figure out who you are and how you're different without Jason Tatum. And then obviously the Nuggets haven't been healthy. Drew Gordon was the shell of himself. They don't have a very good bench. And remember the bench, or the lack of roster building, is the reason that Calvin Booth is no longer their GM. But I I don't know. I sit here and I think to myself, is there something more? And here's what I want to offer up the possibilit if I do think the officiating, at least in the Oakohoma City game was awful. It was awful. Now part of it was Denver didn't react well to it, but part of it was like, what are they supposed to do, they could not get a call. It felt like out in the prim when they're drive tripling the basketball, Oklahoma City's pressuring and the use of the team that exerts the most pressure physically dominates the game, and that that's what happened. But usually game sevens are equally officiated. Usually the home team has it's a great despirit and officiating for all the home teams, and then you get to Game seven, it's like they're like, Okay, hey guys, now, now let's do it on the up and up. That's usually how it works it or it feels like it works, and I didn't think that was the case in the Thunder Thunder game, And which allows me for my next hypothesis, which is there's just not that many games of this much energy in the NBA, and frankly I fewer and few were in college as where previously. So players are going to react differently and officials are going to react differently, and the game feels very, very different. And I think home court becomes more important and more useful in these big games because many of those guys aren't used to playing in real home court advantageous situations and getting simply every call, dan By, are your thoughts.
Well, I don't disagree with either thought. I like the first one more like that's how I looked at the Celtics, where then everything built up for that Game five, Like if there was a game that they were gonna win without Jason Tatum, it's that game. Unify, let's rally together, we'll have twenty thousand Celtics fans having our back. We can win that game five. Then in game six, you lose twenty thousand fans, you don't have Jason Tatum, and you like to chuck up threes and you're not really gonna defensive stops, and then that's what you end up getting. Like that, I almost felt like you could see that one coming from a mile away. Yet people still wanted to put their chips in on the Celtics to think that for some reason, this team was because they were champions last year, they were ready to go on a run, and I just I didn't think they would have anything left from what they had in Game five, and it proved that in game six, the Game seven with the thunder. I just think that that's what Oklahoma City does to you, and also that maybe the Nuggets, aren't that that good? And then you have those twenty thousand on your side, and when it gets rolling, it gets rolling. Like Denver used everything that they had, and it felt like Aaron Gordon had everything he had in the first ten minutes of the game. And then after that, once they got blitz creaked by the thunder, I mean, it was it was over like there's nothing that there's nothing that they could do, and Oklahoma City just kept going and going, kind of like how the Knicks did. But I just I think the Celtics and the Nuggets were up to par to win those games. How they were constructed entering those games.
Jay s dou what do you think?
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I don't think the listeners want to know my opinion, but you should see Sam's Uh, he's had a little bit of an episode in the last three minutes. He just he's wondering why you called him Sean?
And I love your opinion, Sean, And do we're so bad? I was Sean who I don't know his name?
Sean? Uh, maybe I don't even know.
Did I have a Biden moment right there? Man? Did I have a senior episode? Oh? Man, that's Sean And Jason, Sean and Jay Stu. All right, well, well we'll work our way back to Sean and to Sam uh. Let's welcome in. He's Rick Buker, Fox Sports, Foxsports one, Foxsports dot Com. He covers all things NBA for Fox Sports Radio as well. The Denver Nuggets, who did not have much of a bench, go down in Game seven. Let's start with Aaron Gordon is like, you know, not enough time in between games. I think he means really games three and four, right, that's where the Nuggets feel like the series was lost. What's the legitimacy to that argument for you?
Well, look, I get it, but it's a business and a lot of this is determined by all sorts of other factors. It's not as if the league and the team have complete free will, free hand to put the games where they want to. Some of it is how do we capture the biggest TV audience. What are the matchups that we want to feature, what's the availability of the arenas, what's the travel There's there's so many factors that go into it. I understand the the desire to have an ideal set up, but the reality is is that there's.
All sorts of inconsistencies and and and and logistical issues and challenges that that go on.
It's just it's part and parcel of it. I just I feel like sometimes we get into a little bit of over analyzation after the fact about various things depending on what happens. And uh and and I think that's the case here. There have been scheduling challenges for teams to overcome in in the playoffs for decades, and this just happens to be another one.
Uh. You know the thing about the Nuggets and I was, I was there yesterday afternoon for the game in Oaklanoo City. Was uh, obviously, Eric Gordon, was it right? Was it healthy? They only really have five and a half. I thought Oklahoma City was the first time that they decided, hey, let's confront the post. Obviously Caruso was a gigantic factor. But the other thing is like Jamal Murray, you know, I I understand there's not the space to play because he doesn't at times he has Russell Westbrook or uh Peyton's out there or you know they have they have too many non shooters out there. But what do the Nuggets do moving forward? You're gonna have a new GM who doesn't have a tie to endy of these guys. He's got to try and build a championship roster. He's got to move some piece to do so. Is Jamal Murray the one they will move?
I honestly, I would move just I love the the chemistry that that Jokic and Jamal have, But at this point with the nuggets, I would be open to moving anyone and other than than Nikolae Jokicic, I would be looking at this strictly from what do the assets that I have and how do I develop better depth and versatility on my roster so that I'm not having to lean on your pitch as heavily as as they have over the last couple of years. And some of that is also you know, the disadvantage that they've had over over the last few years is that you didn't have your GM and your head coach on the same page. You know that that infighting was very real and and they were at odds to the point where they were trying to sabotage each other to sabotage each other. So the success that they've had is really in spite of that. And but to your point, you know, bringing in a new GM and having them them run the show, assuming it's not the old GM and they don't try to steal them back. I would everything would be on the table for me and and and trying to re reorganize this around the one piece. To me, there's only one indispensable piece, and that's Nicola Jokic.
Okay, let's let's get to a couple of the teams. Celtics. What do they do now?
I don't know that they have to do as much as people suggest that they have to. Obviously, they have some financial issues that they have to take care of. I don't see Al Horford coming back. You have to figure out what the health issue is with christasporzingis. But they were, like, you know, one of the strengths was they their depth, and I don't know that that necessarily changes. I don't think that Jason Tatum's injury necessarily changes things in a dramatic way, or that you're capable of changing things in a dramatic way. They were the second best team in the regular season during the in the Eastern Conference, they had the third best record in the league. You know, do I think that they have to make some changes and some tweaks. Sure, but they are a very expensive team that is going to have to give up some pieces uh in order to uh to meet the specifications of the new ownership. But that was going to happen anyway. I just I look at I look at the Eastern Conference. Who are they competing against it? But do they really have to worry about as being that that team that they're going after? I think very you know, even losing an Al Hartford and let's say everything else is status quo. I think they're I think they're right there. You know, I've dug deep into the numbers, UH and whether they'd have to move someone else. And really it comes down to how willing are you to pay the tax that's going to come along with it? And do you think if you pay the tax, can you can you have the team that you want with the limitations that that the high pay roll put upon you. That's going to be the question. But I don't like this complete makeover because they lost in the second round. I think that's a wild overreaction.
Okay, the Knicks take on the Pacers. What are your expectations?
Well, I can't wait to see that first game. I have the I have the Knicks winning the series, largely because I think that they're a little deeper and healthier than they were the last time these two teams played, and I believe the presence of Mitchell Robinson and Kat the combination versus a team that essentially run by Miles Turner in the front court. As much as I love the Pacers Wings, as much as I think that they are vastly underrated, I don't know what I'm going to get from Tyrese Halliburton from game to game. I think he's shown a lot, and I think at times that he's demonstrated that the overrated label was inaccurate. But there's also times where his passivity or his reluctance to shoot or attempt to score really troubles me. And I just I feel like the Knicks are a more known quantity. The Jalen Brunson is a more known quantity. And while I have my concerns about what Pat is and he isn't, I'm going to lean. I'm going to lean mix in that series, but I would not look Pacers win it or they push it to seven. I would not be the least that's surprised.
Okay, let me circle back to this up and I was going to ask you previously, which is both the game sevens were blowouts. Can you find a reason why.
I think it's I think it's largely I would say it's largely coincidence in that you had themes that were simply overwhelmed and and I mean I just I look at the Nuggets. They were they were out of gas, and they were down to at most five and a half players. And with the Celtics, it was like I thought the Knicks demonstrated that they were a physically and maybe even mentally tougher team. That's that Boston. Boston was a one trick pony in terms of how they play and how they get back into games that they're not shooting the three, well, then they're going to have have issues with christophs frozingis only partially available. I don't they don't feel to me like the team that has a different way to play. And so it's feaster famine, and when it's feaster famine, when it comes to threes, that can result in a in a lopsided result, in a hurry. With Denver, I think it was just a matter of you're playing against a young athletic team and and you're just you run out of body. You're asking your Michael Porter Jr. Was was a disappointment. Jamal Murray had whatever was going on with him was not one hundred percent. Aaron Gordon clearly was not one hundred percent. I mean, now you're you're asking Julian Strauther, who had like a string of d MPs to finish the season, and Peyton Watson, who has been wildly consistent his entire career. You're now asking those guys to go into a road arena and and and got out again seven. I just think it was, you know it was. It was a combination of things for the Nuggets and and for the Celtics, just a different combination in both cases.
Rick Buker, Fox Sports One and Fox Sports Radio's NBA insider Bucher the best Man. Can't wait to talk with you as the conference finals roll on. Thanks for being our guest.
I'm looking forward to it. Thanks