All right, this is the Doug Godly Show. Here's in the bonus with Doug Godly, Dog Godly Show in the Bonus Sports Radio. I hope you're having a great day. You're ready for Thanksgiving, all the uh victuals, all the food, all the dessert and uh yeah, definitely definitely all of the football we got. You'll hear from Colin Cowherd on Justin Herbert Um, you'll hear from uh Dan Patrick on Zach Wilson, and you'll hear from Brady quinn um on the college football expansion. We got a great list of your annoying and we have Aaron Rodgers talking about retirement in a way that you will only here right here in the bonus because we and because we can. Um, there's I love that. I really am enjoying the podcast only our I hope. And I've gotten great response from so many of you on social media at Gottlieb Show, Twitter, Instagram, and of course Facebook. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Facebook page. UM. I love the feedback, and some of it is telling stories that maybe you've previously heard me tell. And my my son will always give me crap, Like Dad, I've heard that story before. I'm getting to that age now where it's like, man, I've been doing this long enough that I've told some of these stories multiple times, but this one is actually a new one. So Zach Wilson was benched today, and um, actually I didn't like what Robert Sali said yesterday and we talked about it in the podcast where it felt like, you know, he didn't come down hard enough on Zach Wilson and didn't force him to understand how he needed to make a change in what he was saying and how he was saying it. But but I that this is a it's a really kind of important and interesting sort of thing where I have beliefs in my own job and I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you guys and tell you that I haven't made mistakes, haven't done things or said things, or you know, gotten cross and crosshairs with people during my career. And it's one of those things where you have to not only learn from it, but you should share it with a younger generation. And it doesn't mean that they're going to understand or accept your stories or your guidance or whatever, but it does mean that you should on some level. Um, on some levels, say it right, say something and tell people something. And yesterday we played for you Booker mcfireland saying that Zack Wilson was grew up rich so he hadn't dealt with adversity. Um, I thought it was incredibly unfair. And and I know what what you're thinking, like, well, you grew up with money, Like, actually I didn't. And um, adversity rears his head in a bunch of different ways. It doesn't mean that he can't be right about Zack Wilson not understanding that struggling with adversity or whatever. That doesn't mean he's not right. But the idea that because he grew up affluent he can't deal with adversity, like all right, well you know Peyton Manning didn't grow up or that's for that's for sure. UM. I think you could kind of go through the NFL and you will find that more and more a lot of these quarterbacks from all different sorts of backgrounds, they're not growing up nearly as nearly as difficult to fashion as many of the previous generation grew up. I think one of the reasons that quarterbacks from all races and all backgrounds are starting to produce at the NFL level. Is that there's access to training that there wasn't access to twenty years ago? Right? I mean John Elway was he was he great and talented, yes, but he also his dad was a coach, so he had access to coaching and training at a younger age than anybody else. Right, Um, dealing with adversity, it's it's hard. There's a great quote out there, a great kind of little speech or whatever from uh, what's the coach names Dink drinkle Witz at Missouri and he talked about dealing with adversity. It is. It's really interesting. I don't think it has to do with affluence. I don't. I think this is a generational problem. But I don't think the generational problem is the generation that's getting blamed. How about that? So, so I want you to think about this for a second. Okay, So, Um, Zack Wilson on Sunday performs terribly. Zach Wilson after the game was asked if they let the defense down, he said no, and what felt like a formality became kind of drug out And it wasn't until today that the team was informed that he was going to be benched. Um, So there's a bunch. There's a bunch of layers to it. The the first layer to it is this, all right, the generation that struggles with adversity is the adult generation. Is that? Help me out, Jason Stewart? And my gen X is that what I am? I'm not a millennium and my gen X is that is that that gen X? I think what I think anyone born in the seventies is gen X, right, and before then the baby boomers it yeah, okay, yeah, so so jed X. It is the problem, not the millennials. They're not the problem. Do you know why? Because kids, like I said, have you ever heard the expression in football you're either coaching or allowing it. It's the same thing in parenting, right, kid gets in trouble in school, comes home, gets in trouble. And what's the first thing that most not all, most parents do. They listen to the kid and they questioned the teacher. I found myself. I've done it before. I've kind of caught myself before, like why am I questioning the teacher? Like I want to be fair to my kid and understand there's there are you know, kind of two sides to the story, but not so much that I should take my son's word for it over that of an educator. Um did This is an US problem. This is an adult problem. I don't know how Zach Wilson was raised. I don't. I'm not gonna sit here, but I am gonna be critical of how he's raised. Because he was raised in the proper fashion, he's been through the adversity, he would have known, like you can't say what he said? And I understand like some of your said, what do you mean? It's not like he's not like you went, Kanye. No, but on a football team and a group of fifty three grown men that are professionals, and the and one side gives up fifty three and you score three, and one scauseide gives up three and you score three. When you asked that question, it's very easy you take on the blame. I've said this before. This is the difference between kids and adults. All Right, kids say it's everybody else's problem. The adult is supposed to say, you know what, that's on me, that's on me. But we don't do that. Our generation, in your forty, in your fifties forever reason, we don't do it that if your if your kid is sitting on the bench, it's got to be the coach's fault. If your kid screws up in school, it's got to be the teacher's fault. Heck, we do it. We blame the commissioner, We blame everybody other than ourselves. And when you surrender to the fact that you are partially or maybe even most of the blame, and honestly, even when it's not to blame, you're not to blame, you should as quarterback, accept responsibility. My I'm I just had a great conversation um on the phone with a high powered college football coach and we were just talking about this exact same thing, and he just said, this is it's not their generation, it's our generation. That we protect our kids from adversity. That's why everybody transfers. That's why guys changed teams in the NFL so quickly forced their way out of situations. And again, there are times in which is a bad situation. There are times in which if you're never going to play, but high school level kids are moved around youth sports. If you're not playing Johnny, well, then Johnny is going to a different team. If Johnny is not playing, then it's got to be the coaches problem. Happens in youth sports, happens in high school sports, happens in travel sports, happens in college, and then it happens in the pros. It's an us problem. And I think, and this is more guessing out there. I think it's because so many of us think that our kid and their performance is a reflection upon us and our parenting and us and our genes and us and our child rearing, that we want them to look and be perfect because we're so concerned about us and how we feel and how we look and how we appear to the rest of the world. And maybe it's again you you put in social media as well, because social media is all bullshit, right, nobody looks that good yet filters. Nobody's life is that good. I mean, Tom Brady is perfect example, a perfect example. If you watch the Facebook show, if you follow on social media, like man, Tom Brady looks like an unbelievable dad. They've got an amazing relationship that things seem to work, and now they're divorced because things aren't what they seem on social media. And I know we've been told that. I know everybody seems to know that, but for whatever reason, we just can't really truly get it through to our subconscious that we're the problem, that social media is not real, that perfection is not truly attainable. It's great to try for it, but it's not a tainable. That adversity is good for you, right, I mean, now they're paying high school athletes, college athletes. This need to get paid. Think of your favorite times in college. How many of them involved money? None of them? None of them, none of them. And and going through tough times teaches you things. If you don't learn from a loss, if you don't learn from getting bench, if you don't learn from getting divorced, if you don't learn from losing a job, well then you know, like it what they say, pull me one, shame on you, full me twice, shame on me. I don't know. I look at the Zach Wilson thing, and I think it's a direct reflection on how he was raised. But it has nothing to do with the affluence of his parents. It has to do with how all of us as parents. And this doesn't mean a hundred percent, but a good, healthy percentage, how we try and shield our kids from adversity, and we shield them from adversity. What happens when they face adversity they don't know how to handle it. And if you think about it, most people, the first time you handle anything, you don't handle well. Right, you don't you just you don't handle well. So the first part too, it is um Zach Wilson. Not handling adversity well is a direct reflection of a generational problem. But we all blame the millennials. It's really gen X that's the problem. Second part to it is this, when you're struggling at work, you know what you can't do. You can't make it easy for them to fire you. You know you can't make it easier for them to fire you. This is the big thing. You know, if if you're if you're not throwing touchdown passes, you know what you can't do. You can't lose the locker room with some comments. If you're struggling at work, you know you can't do you can't be the guy who's late to a huge meeting. You just you can't. I mean, I'll be totally honestly, I'm at I'm at CBS and it's my third year there, and uh, there's a guy there who, um, I like a great deal, Dan Weinberg. Okay, And Dan was in charge of scheduling, and he was nice enough to invite me and a couple other guys to a meeting on the West side of New York to talk about scheduling for the next year in college basketball, and like, Hey, who are the teams that we want to get? What are the matchups we want to create? Was unbelievable opportunity. And I was in kind of a weird place in basketball with them. I just was, and I was trying to get it to a better place. And I was gonna drive in because the location of the meeting wasn't really train or subway friendly. When I trained in it would be too It would be to the Grand Central, then you gotta go across town to the Penn station. Then you gotta get in the subway. In this case, it would have been the subway to the Upper west Side, where the meeting was, not to Midtown. But either way, I didn't feel comfortable with where it was. And it appeared and I look, it's right off of you know, it's right off the West Side Highway. No problem, And I probably left ten minutes later than I should have, and of course there was an accident followed by another accident, follow by another accident filed by massive traffic, And though I was texting and calling and telling them I was running late, I end up probably thirty minutes late. And they were completely in totally gracious. But the next year when the scheduling time came around, nobody called nask me because I made it easy for them, because I was the one who was late, which being late is disrespectful, you know, being late makes it easy. Zack Wilson made it easy. He was not playing well. He's completing fifty five percent of his passes this year, just like of his passes last year. He's not showing the improvement that the rest of the team is showing. And he is a very good running game and a very good defense, and nobody expects him to be perfect. You just want to see a level of improvement. But the way in which he handled himself after the game on Sunday made it easy for Robert Sala to say this, So the big thing I want to make sure I address on this one. UM, I just want to make sure you guys all listen to this very carefully. Please, Zach's career here is not over. I know that's going to be the narrative. I know that what that's what everybody wants to wants to shout out, And that's not even close to the case. The intent, the full intent is to make sure Zach gets gets back on the football field at some point this year. When that is, I'll make that decision. I'm going to take a day to day. Is it a small step back, absolutely for him, But do I think it's going to be a great leap forward when when he does get a chance to reset himself. Absolutely. So. This is not a This is not putting a nail in his coffin. This is not that. It's not even close to that. Um. What this is he's going to have to earn it back. He's gonna have to earn it back. I think it's actually a really good thing. With how Robert sala is approaching it right, everybody thinks it's the final thing, and maybe it is. If if is it Mike White, if he comes in, he lights up the world and he has the locker room. Boy, it's gonna be really, really hard. It's gonna be really really difficult. But Zach Wilson still the number two overall pick. This is very early on in his career. There's still life left. How you handle this? Are you gonna if you pout, if you show up late to meetings, if you act like you think it's over, it definitely will be. And the lesson is the lesson is you can't make it easy for people. You just can't make it easy for somebody to fire you. You just can't make it easy for somebody to move on from you. And now you're screwing up in your relationship. You gotta make it really hard for someone to move on if you want it. You know, you want to make it work. If you're struggling in your job, you gotta make it really hard for them to get rid of you. You gotta show that you really really wanted. If you're struggling in personal relationships, if you're struggling at work, if you're struggling in sports, it's all kind of the same thing. Make it as as difficult as possible for them to move on from you if you want it to happen. But it'll be interesting because this is some um major adversity to Zach Wilson, and to this point he has and this is where I would agree with Booker. He has shown that he is incapable of dealing with adversity to this point. Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Let's get to what the Fox said, and now Fox say. This is Colin Coward talking about Justin Herbert in response to Emmanuel Acho at his take that Justin Herbert is the social media QB. Does coaching matter? I don't know. I'm watching two of this year and I think it does. I'm watching the Saints without Sean Payton this year, I'm watching the Giants pivot from Joe Judge to Brian Davile. Does coaching matter? In two and a half years, Justin Herbert has had coaches who I think have undercoached him. So there's a difference between excuses and reasons. In two and a half years quarterbacking, Justin Herbert's defenses have been ranked and because of that he leads the NFL. The Chargers as a team lead the NFL since Justin Herbert arrived with nine blown fourth quarter leads Atlanta second. Why because he's often watching somebody get the ball, come back and take the lead from him against the terrible defense twenty ninth last year, twenty ninth this year. That's the first thing. So the other thing to remember he has asked to mostly when shootouts. Herbert with a bad defense, who has to outscore teams. His two best receivers, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams have missed nine starts. You're not getting help on the defensive side, and he doesn't have his two targets. I think there's a big gap between reasons and excuses. TUA now has a brilliant offensive coach Jalen Hurts, has a loaded roster and lots of support on the defensive side. Justin Herbert's got a bad defense, his star receivers aren't available, and once again he's staring at five and five. I think I think Emmanuel has take on Justin Herbert is the worst take in all of sports going right now? Okay, because what it does, and even Cullen, who appropriately put like have we noticed, first of all, nobody wins with a bad defense. They have a bad defense. But let's just take the let's let's let's take out the fact that the defense can't stop anybody that they're twenty nine and defense. Okay, um, he made the comparison of two a tongue of ioloa. Okay, And he did not point out, imagine if to a tongue of ioloa didn't have Tyreek Hill up until this point, and didn't have Jalen Waddle with exception of two games or three games in the year, and and and Jalen Waddle got one catch and then sat out. Imagine if you're tight ends were also injured. Oh yeah, And imagine if you're starting left tackle who's an All Pro as a rookie was out for the year. And then there are two other linemen who have been out. Okay, so imagine those things. And oh yeah, by the way, oh yeah, by the way, the Kansas City interception was not close to being on him, otherwise they win that game. It's the worst take I've ever heard, because here's all you need to say. He's not a social media quarterback. Every fucking GM in the NFL would take Justin Herbert over to a tug of by every fucking one, and your job as an analyst and a former professional football player. Is not just to have an opinion based upon watching games. You're allowed to have that opinion. You're like, you don't think. And by the way, if you watch those games and you don't think, Justin Herbert is really really good. I'll grant you. He makes some mistakes, he misreads some things. He does okay, but the good is far outweighs the bad. If you don't think, what you gotta do is you gotta have friends in the NFL. I mean, I didn't play in the NFL. I'm I'm play high school football, haven't play football growing up. So what I do is when I think something, I call people. I text people. I have a really good friend who was a director of player personnel for a team who's currently he's in in the sport, but he's not director player personnel. I text him. I have a couple of gms that I text. I have a couple of coaches. I have a quarterback coach that's a really good friend of mine. I got these people and I and I text them and what you think? And when I send them tapes like this, what they say is, please don't send me this because I can't handle that this is what somebody would actually talk about. It's literally the worst take in sports. It's there's there's no worst takes like the takes of Lebron and Jordan's. Like, look, if you want Lebron to be the second or third best player, or even Jordan to be, he has a take, by the way, I think he has Jordan's. Somebody is Jordan's the third best? Was Nick right? As Jordan's the third best player of all time? Like whatever, that's a bad take, but okay, like he can form. It's not like he's the worst player ever, not top five like whatever. Like Justin Herbert is an awesome quarterback. He's I mean, he's so he's gonna sign a contract that's probably bigger than any other quarterback, and then, of course it'll be at some point past everybody concludes this except for one guy. So I almost feel like it's not worth validating response, with the exception of the fact that Colin appropriately put doesn't feel like they're all that well coached on defense. Plus the defense has had injuries. You know, you don't have Joey Bows, so they're missing some other guys offensively, Dude, you're missing your left tackle, You're missing you're you're missing your starting center part of the season. You know, you're missing your tight ends most of the season. You're missing your best wide receiver, Pro Bowl, all Pro level wide receiver up until this past game. Right, So what are we actually talking about. No one would take to a over justin Herbert, No one to us having a nice year. He's having a very good year. He's playing at a high level. But if you're if your argument is simply result of the team oriented, and you played professional football and you want to you want to position yourself as a football analyst because you played football. I mean, like, like again, I could only this is not personal in any way. I will point this out. And Manuel Acho early in the season said, hey, are think about the Big twelve? Nobody stops anybody. He was talking about you know Oklahoma State or whatever. I mean, I only know this because it's my school. Like, bro, I know you played for Texas, but did you know that Oklahoma State last year was second in the country in defense? Like this is not that hard. So this this is me saying this. It's the worst taking sports. I won't validate it anymore. I'm not telling you Justin Herbert's the best. I think Pat Mahomes has had the best season. And by the way, there were people his brother who didn't put Pat Mahomes is the top five quarterback coming in this season. So apparently apple trees make apples. I don't know, but all I can tell you is that this is not my opinion because I'm a Charger fan and I watch every game and they break my heart all the time. This is not Jason Stewart's opinion. Who's a Charger fan. I'm telling you the opinion of football people. It's a laughably bad argument. Laughably what It's the type of argument that if you don't like it's like, look, I had a bad I had a bad take on Steph Curry being a pro. The difference in that is one played the sport, did Steph Curry's games when I was in college, and the opinion was based upon somebody who had watched and I had talked to some people. Most people actually did kind of did they disagree with me, But no one thought he was going to be the m V two undisputed m v P of the league and a champion to this level and the greatest shooter in the history of the sport and this type of game changing player no one. Okay, but I would also tell you, like, yeah, I mean the hindsight, it's wrong. It's inarguably wrong. He's inarguably wrong, and he keeps making the same take, and there's like tape and numbers and stats and things and people to point out that you're wrong, and yet that's his take. Go ahead, Jason, you want to clarify with the taken just for for listeners who aren't familiar. Emmanuel acho Um went on his show Speak on FS one and said that Justin Herbert is a social media um sensation. In other words, you only see the great plays he makes, the big throws on social media. They don't show interceptions or bad decisions on social media. So Justin Herbert is uh overrated because of that, because he gets a lot of run on social media and you don't see his faults. Okay, yeah, I mean he's he said, you know, it doesn't win. Here we are three years in a row. They're not in playoff. Can buy the way they are in playoff contention, by the way, last year, I mean, here's the thing. Last year they didn't make the playoffs. Um, how Justin Herbert play against the Raiders the last game of the season there, Jason Stewart, the final game of the season was incredible, right, it was one of the most incredible games anyone had ever seen. Why they lose because they can't stop anybody. Can't fucking stop anybody. They couldn't fucking stop a cold. I mean, they couldn't stop anybody. Is embarrassing. You just run the football. It couldn't stop him, could stop anybody. I actually think they were thirty in defense, not twenty nine. I think they're twenty nine. This year. There are thirty two teams in the NFL. No one wins with the ranked defense. Nobody. It doesn't exist. Go and look that stat up. It's such a bad take and he keeps making it, so I don't know what to do there. I don't know what's behind I don't know what his energy behind it is, Like, what is the Why is that a fight that you would pick? Is it because they were in the same draft class? Is it because the feeling is that I don't know. I can't even I can't figure it out. It's a really, really bad take, and it's the last we will discuss it. All right, here's that, dad say, was that too strong? There is that going to cause us to be have some trouble. I don't think there's any such thing as being too strong or too here. I do like the difference in the energy though. You know, you were very methodical and deliberate when welighing out the problem with gen X and Zach Wilson and everything, and then you get on this topic and you're a hundred miles an hour. So I'm glad I added that sound just to get you a little amped up, get your blood up a little bit. Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m. E ster Noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. It's our favorite part of every show, we call it. And now it's your annoying mother, all right, j STU, I believe you have three candidates. I will be the selector of who's annoying today? Okay, So of the three candidates today, I have a couple of returnees. Uh. First one being Melvin Gordon. Um. I don't know if you saw this, but obviously he got released by the Broncos this week after fumbling again in short yardage. So um, Melvin Gordon went on Twitter or social media yesterday and had this like really bad photoshop of him in the white Bronco where a C. Cowings drove o J on the four h five freeway. He put himself in the picture with a nonsensical caption about something about y'all fan and I'm out of here or something like that. I don't understand what the o J references first and foremost, but I'm always going to go back to that person during the Super Bowl who said to me, Melvin Gordon is barely in the NFL. He acts like he should be an RB one and getting all the carries. Um, you're annoying Melvin Gordon for many reasons, and I need to I need a some kind of explanation on the O. J. Simpson meme. I don't know what that is. Uh, there's never O J. Simpson meme. There's it's it's like a it's it's not it's it's still it's not quite the level, but it's similar, Like it's like a Hitler meme, like what what do you what are you doing? Right? Like that's just one of those why would you even consider possibly going there. Um, okay, that's a that's on the list. What else you got? Um? Sean McVeigh is repeated person on this segment, and I will say this, the way he's handled the running backs this season is atrocious. I will say that my biases that I had Cam Akers as my first running back one of my drafts. But they're the They're the worst running team in football. And I think a lot of it has to do with the decision making by him, not only the play calling, but like you sit Cam Akers with some punitive measure for half the season. You just cut Henderson yesterday, who leads your team um in in rushing, and now what do we do? Like Sean McVeigh, for a multitude of reasons this year, you're annoying, but the most recent one is you just cut your leading rusher and you're last in the NFL and rushing. Okay, that's too. What else? Vikings? The vikings to me represent what the NFL has become. The vikings are frustrating, there at times impossible to watch, and first and foremost, you never ever know what you're gonna get when you turn on the game. The vikings will lose forty three to Dallas and they'll beat the Bills. You just never know. And it's frustrating to me as somebody who just consumes the product. I don't gamble on the games. Just watching the NFL this year, you want a certain level of predictability, and the Vikings to me are just completely nonsensical, Like they don't make any sense to me. They play tomorrow night. Do you know who's gonna win, Doug, not the Vikings, But how do you know because it's the primetime game. My point is nobody knows they're gonna win fifty to nothing tomorrow. Um. Okay, So in in the your annoying, I'm gonna go with Melvin Gordon just the you get cut because you have a fumbling problem. And I would agree he acts like he is Derrick Henry, you know. Um, And really Ego got the best of him. You know. I don't know who advised him, but if you remember back when he was with the charges of their first overall pick, they offered him a contract extension. I think it was in the eight or nine million a year variety. He wanted top of the market in the thirteen million or year variety. They let him go free, and he never was close to making that money, and he's never been close to that level of production. It was a lose lose from both the charger's perspective and and his his his perspective, but more than anything, O J on a meme without explanation. Yeah, dude, no sense of self and no sense of what you should and shouldn't do. Melvin Gordon, you're annoying. You know, this is in fact a podcast, So we can do stuff no one else can do. That's all. We do things that we can only do here. Why are we doing this? I do because we can, all right, because we can. This is Aaron Rodgers talking about retirement but the city and say, oh, it's old ball all the time and blah blah blah bullshit, Like I mean, I don't know, it's not the way I am. Like, like, there's there's life after football, and there's life outside of football even during the season that I think it's important to keep that balance. So the obvious part is dropping a BS, which we can only do here. But the other part too, It is Aaron Rodgers talking sort of candidly about retirement, about the likelihood of a struggle retirement wise, which does open some of the doors to you thinking, Okay, does that mean he's gonna retire? It's it's it's you know, we're gonna have a year annoying without any question in the off season if he doesn't address it the day their season is done. But I find it really hard to believe that Aaron Rodgers would make such a deal about a contract if he's not gonna fulfill the part of the contract which pays him fifty eight million dollars next year. Why do we play that complete with the BS in its full unsensed variety because we can. All right, now it's time for our list of the day. Time for the list of the day. On the list, Snap, why didn't you say so? Okay? List of the day is the top five things, okay, top five things you plan to uh, you plan to eat? Eat your favorite things to eat on Thanksgiving? Um, ramos, I want you to think of yours, Chase, do I want you to think of yours? I will start with mine. Here comes number five, number five turkey. Okay, Now, I would never rank turkey number one. I'm a dark meat guy because, uh, for most of my adult life, white meat was was was my childhood. My mom would make a turkey. She'd always roast in the oven, and I aways felt like the white meat was dry. I've always been a kind of dark meat guy. I don't dig on a lot of turkey, but you have to have a little bit of the turkey to go with all of the rest of the victuals. If you will. Number four, macaroni and cheese. Now, macaroni and cheese was not a staple of my childhood. It wasn't until I got to Oklahoma State my sophomore year when Patsy Sutton, the late Patsy Sutton, would come up to us a week before Thanksgiving, and uh, we had a card left on all of our chairs in the locker room, and you would fill out the card over your favorite recipe from home, and she would call your your mom or your grandma, or whoever the recipe came from, and we eat all eat at the country club. And when we went out to the country club, there was a gigantic vat of two or three different recipes of macaroni and cheese. Again, I didn't grow out macaroni cheese. But if you've had macaroni and cheese, it's kind of amazing, especially with the whole other stuff that that that comes with it. Macaroni and cheese at a solid number four. Number three um to me, the desserts. And I know this may be a bit of a cop out to some that I'm not gonna list one individual dessert. I know some people think the desserts is the number one part. I'm usually so full I can only have a small piece and then you go back later for a bigger piece of pie. But usually pies. Whatever your dessert is, that that's a a really really strong number three. Number two mashed potatoes and you're like, wait, mashed potatoes, yes they're necessary, Okay, I a strong and also receiving votes as cranberries. I like the canned cranberry sauce because but again, it's all about the flavors mixing together. If you're one of these people that eats things individually, you may not agree with some of this stuff, but when you mix them all together, you you need this stuff. Um. Sweet potatoes are are acceptable any sort of potato dish. I'm gonna list at number two the potatoes. Sweet potatoes obviously have the sweetness to it, but the potatoes are fairly plain and mute. And when you add in the difference in the flavors in the mac and cheese the turkey, and then and wait for what we have last, that's number two. Number one dressing. Dressing. There's a difference between dressing and stuffing. Stuffing is stuff in the turkey. Dressing is oftentimes the same substance and it's cooked outside the turkey in its own sort of uh ceramic where if you will right, that dressing is gold. It just brings everything together. You don't need you don't need the hot bread the hot rolls, because the dressing is made of bread and it just soaks up all the flavors that you eat it together. That's your list of the day. It's now time for our pick of the day. I think you'll love it. Pick of the day is uh is an easy one. Cincinnati takes on Louisville tonight in college basketball. If you haven't been following Louisville basketball, it's okay. I understand college basketball still very early on, and you know, everybody kind of looks the same and you're trying to figure out who transferred where and what they have going for him. Louisville is all kinds of awful. Kenny Payne inherited a tough situation, and you know they didn't go all in on the n I L or nearly enough. They got beat by Texas Tech seventy to thirty eight. This is after getting beat by Arkansas EFT four. Previously playing home games, they lost to Bellarmine non Division one Right State and app State, both by a point. Okay, those are low majors. Louisville is a historically great program that just what was it ten years ago won a national championship. They play Cincinnati. This is West Miller's second year. Cincinnati hasn't been great. They got beat by Eastern Kentucky on the mainland, and they too. They lost to Arizona by eight. They lost to Ohio State, UH yesterday, lost to a House State yesterday by I think it was twenty eight points. So you would think that Cincinnati losing yesterday by twenty eight points. They're an eight and a half point favorite to Louisville. Man, Louisville has got a chance to win this game. They don't. Louisville stinks. They're awful. I would guess the Florida A and M game is probably their most likely chance to win a game this year. That's how bad they are, Cincinnati minus eight and a half. You're welcome. There's your pick of the day. All right, that's a that's gonna do it for if ore in the Bonus podcast. I want to do this, Um, two things one you know, look, it's a day of of things. I want to first thank John Ramos. I started working here five years ago. I'm sure he's had a bad day. I don't remember being able to. I feel like John ever had a bad day. Right, John, you are an absolute joy to work with. I am thankful for our time together. Jason Stewart, we've only been together working together. Has it been It's not been a year yet, Right, when did you start? It's been fifteen months? Came out last season? Yeah? Okay, Um, and for but here's what people don't know, and maybe I shouldn't say it, but I wanted Jason to start with us, going back almost two years ago. And um, I don't I gotta I recall the conversation, but it was one of those like all I needed was Jason to say he wanted to do it, and it would have been done two years ago. Right, Um, But I can't tell you how happy it makes me to have daily conversations with you as my producer. I've had um Adam Kluge, it was my longtime producer. UM. Jeremiah Crowe was one of producers just now. He's up at I think can b R in Northern California. Adams down in San Diego. He runs that Padre station. So a couple of things are obviously you work, you work with me, and I'm gonna You're gonna become a superstar. Jason has already been a superstar. But um, I don't know. It's really really fun to do the show with you and then Dan Buyer and the daily conversations, your engagement in sports, the the amount of knowledge, the ability to to pick up where I left off or on days where I need a little bit of help. Danny been great. I love my crew. I can't say that I've ever been in a situation where any three, four or five guys. Um, when you guys are off, any one of you are off, I don't feel like I'm nearly or this show is nearly as good. And that speaks to the quality of your work and the quality of our relationship together. This show is way better than it has ever been previously. And it's been I think it's been good. You know it's been good. But it's what all three of you guys bring to the table. I am sincerely and truly grateful and thankful for for working with you guys and your hard work on a daily basis. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving. Uh. Today is the anniversary of my father's passing, So it should give you a chance to to to listen to these words from somebody that loses somebody really close to them is you know, don't take it for granted. Don't just tell them that you love him, tell him what you love about him. Make sure they know that you know them as a person. They're quirks, they're good, they're bad, and that you appreciate them because there may be a Thanksgiving dinner in the near future, hopefully in the distant future, that they're not with you. I'm Doug Gotlieck. This is in the bonus

All right, this is the Doug Godly Show. Here's in the bonus with Doug Godly, Dog Godly Show in the Bonus Sports Radio. I hope you're having a great day. You're ready for Thanksgiving, all the uh victuals, all the food, all the dessert and uh yeah, definitely definitely all of the football we got. You'll hear from Colin Cowherd on Justin Herbert Um, you'll hear from uh Dan Patrick on Zach Wilson, and you'll hear from Brady quinn um on the college football expansion. We got a great list of your annoying and we have Aaron Rodgers talking about retirement in a way that you will only here right here in the bonus because we and because we can. Um, there's I love that. I really am enjoying the podcast only our I hope. And I've gotten great response from so many of you on social media at Gottlieb Show, Twitter, Instagram, and of course Facebook. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Facebook page. UM. I love the feedback, and some of it is telling stories that maybe you've previously heard me tell. And my my son will always give me crap, Like Dad, I've heard that story before. I'm getting to that age now where it's like, man, I've been doing this long enough that I've told some of these stories multiple times, but this one is actually a new one. So Zach Wilson was benched today, and um, actually I didn't like what Robert Sali said yesterday and we talked about it in the podcast where it felt like, you know, he didn't come down hard enough on Zach Wilson and didn't force him to understand how he needed to make a change in what he was saying and how he was saying it. But but I that this is a it's a really kind of important and interesting sort of thing where I have beliefs in my own job and I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you guys and tell you that I haven't made mistakes, haven't done things or said things, or you know, gotten cross and crosshairs with people during my career. And it's one of those things where you have to not only learn from it, but you should share it with a younger generation. And it doesn't mean that they're going to understand or accept your stories or your guidance or whatever, but it does mean that you should on some level. Um, on some levels, say it right, say something and tell people something. And yesterday we played for you Booker mcfireland saying that Zack Wilson was grew up rich so he hadn't dealt with adversity. Um, I thought it was incredibly unfair. And and I know what what you're thinking, like, well, you grew up with money, Like, actually I didn't. And um, adversity rears his head in a bunch of different ways. It doesn't mean that he can't be right about Zack Wilson not understanding that struggling with adversity or whatever. That doesn't mean he's not right. But the idea that because he grew up affluent he can't deal with adversity, like all right, well you know Peyton Manning didn't grow up or that's for that's for sure. UM. I think you could kind of go through the NFL and you will find that more and more a lot of these quarterbacks from all different sorts of backgrounds, they're not growing up nearly as nearly as difficult to fashion as many of the previous generation grew up. I think one of the reasons that quarterbacks from all races and all backgrounds are starting to produce at the NFL level. Is that there's access to training that there wasn't access to twenty years ago? Right? I mean John Elway was he was he great and talented, yes, but he also his dad was a coach, so he had access to coaching and training at a younger age than anybody else. Right, Um, dealing with adversity, it's it's hard. There's a great quote out there, a great kind of little speech or whatever from uh, what's the coach names Dink drinkle Witz at Missouri and he talked about dealing with adversity. It is. It's really interesting. I don't think it has to do with affluence. I don't. I think this is a generational problem. But I don't think the generational problem is the generation that's getting blamed. How about that? So, so I want you to think about this for a second. Okay, So, Um, Zack Wilson on Sunday performs terribly. Zach Wilson after the game was asked if they let the defense down, he said no, and what felt like a formality became kind of drug out And it wasn't until today that the team was informed that he was going to be benched. Um, So there's a bunch. There's a bunch of layers to it. The the first layer to it is this, all right, the generation that struggles with adversity is the adult generation. Is that? Help me out, Jason Stewart? And my gen X is that what I am? I'm not a millennium and my gen X is that is that that gen X? I think what I think anyone born in the seventies is gen X, right, and before then the baby boomers it yeah, okay, yeah, so so jed X. It is the problem, not the millennials. They're not the problem. Do you know why? Because kids, like I said, have you ever heard the expression in football you're either coaching or allowing it. It's the same thing in parenting, right, kid gets in trouble in school, comes home, gets in trouble. And what's the first thing that most not all, most parents do. They listen to the kid and they questioned the teacher. I found myself. I've done it before. I've kind of caught myself before, like why am I questioning the teacher? Like I want to be fair to my kid and understand there's there are you know, kind of two sides to the story, but not so much that I should take my son's word for it over that of an educator. Um did This is an US problem. This is an adult problem. I don't know how Zach Wilson was raised. I don't. I'm not gonna sit here, but I am gonna be critical of how he's raised. Because he was raised in the proper fashion, he's been through the adversity, he would have known, like you can't say what he said? And I understand like some of your said, what do you mean? It's not like he's not like you went, Kanye. No, but on a football team and a group of fifty three grown men that are professionals, and the and one side gives up fifty three and you score three, and one scauseide gives up three and you score three. When you asked that question, it's very easy you take on the blame. I've said this before. This is the difference between kids and adults. All Right, kids say it's everybody else's problem. The adult is supposed to say, you know what, that's on me, that's on me. But we don't do that. Our generation, in your forty, in your fifties forever reason, we don't do it that if your if your kid is sitting on the bench, it's got to be the coach's fault. If your kid screws up in school, it's got to be the teacher's fault. Heck, we do it. We blame the commissioner, We blame everybody other than ourselves. And when you surrender to the fact that you are partially or maybe even most of the blame, and honestly, even when it's not to blame, you're not to blame, you should as quarterback, accept responsibility. My I'm I just had a great conversation um on the phone with a high powered college football coach and we were just talking about this exact same thing, and he just said, this is it's not their generation, it's our generation. That we protect our kids from adversity. That's why everybody transfers. That's why guys changed teams in the NFL so quickly forced their way out of situations. And again, there are times in which is a bad situation. There are times in which if you're never going to play, but high school level kids are moved around youth sports. If you're not playing Johnny, well, then Johnny is going to a different team. If Johnny is not playing, then it's got to be the coaches problem. Happens in youth sports, happens in high school sports, happens in travel sports, happens in college, and then it happens in the pros. It's an us problem. And I think, and this is more guessing out there. I think it's because so many of us think that our kid and their performance is a reflection upon us and our parenting and us and our genes and us and our child rearing, that we want them to look and be perfect because we're so concerned about us and how we feel and how we look and how we appear to the rest of the world. And maybe it's again you you put in social media as well, because social media is all bullshit, right, nobody looks that good yet filters. Nobody's life is that good. I mean, Tom Brady is perfect example, a perfect example. If you watch the Facebook show, if you follow on social media, like man, Tom Brady looks like an unbelievable dad. They've got an amazing relationship that things seem to work, and now they're divorced because things aren't what they seem on social media. And I know we've been told that. I know everybody seems to know that, but for whatever reason, we just can't really truly get it through to our subconscious that we're the problem, that social media is not real, that perfection is not truly attainable. It's great to try for it, but it's not a tainable. That adversity is good for you, right, I mean, now they're paying high school athletes, college athletes. This need to get paid. Think of your favorite times in college. How many of them involved money? None of them? None of them, none of them. And and going through tough times teaches you things. If you don't learn from a loss, if you don't learn from getting bench, if you don't learn from getting divorced, if you don't learn from losing a job, well then you know, like it what they say, pull me one, shame on you, full me twice, shame on me. I don't know. I look at the Zach Wilson thing, and I think it's a direct reflection on how he was raised. But it has nothing to do with the affluence of his parents. It has to do with how all of us as parents. And this doesn't mean a hundred percent, but a good, healthy percentage, how we try and shield our kids from adversity, and we shield them from adversity. What happens when they face adversity they don't know how to handle it. And if you think about it, most people, the first time you handle anything, you don't handle well. Right, you don't you just you don't handle well. So the first part too, it is um Zach Wilson. Not handling adversity well is a direct reflection of a generational problem. But we all blame the millennials. It's really gen X that's the problem. Second part to it is this, when you're struggling at work, you know what you can't do. You can't make it easy for them to fire you. You know you can't make it easier for them to fire you. This is the big thing. You know, if if you're if you're not throwing touchdown passes, you know what you can't do. You can't lose the locker room with some comments. If you're struggling at work, you know you can't do you can't be the guy who's late to a huge meeting. You just you can't. I mean, I'll be totally honestly, I'm at I'm at CBS and it's my third year there, and uh, there's a guy there who, um, I like a great deal, Dan Weinberg. Okay, And Dan was in charge of scheduling, and he was nice enough to invite me and a couple other guys to a meeting on the West side of New York to talk about scheduling for the next year in college basketball, and like, Hey, who are the teams that we want to get? What are the matchups we want to create? Was unbelievable opportunity. And I was in kind of a weird place in basketball with them. I just was, and I was trying to get it to a better place. And I was gonna drive in because the location of the meeting wasn't really train or subway friendly. When I trained in it would be too It would be to the Grand Central, then you gotta go across town to the Penn station. Then you gotta get in the subway. In this case, it would have been the subway to the Upper west Side, where the meeting was, not to Midtown. But either way, I didn't feel comfortable with where it was. And it appeared and I look, it's right off of you know, it's right off the West Side Highway. No problem, And I probably left ten minutes later than I should have, and of course there was an accident followed by another accident, follow by another accident filed by massive traffic, And though I was texting and calling and telling them I was running late, I end up probably thirty minutes late. And they were completely in totally gracious. But the next year when the scheduling time came around, nobody called nask me because I made it easy for them, because I was the one who was late, which being late is disrespectful, you know, being late makes it easy. Zack Wilson made it easy. He was not playing well. He's completing fifty five percent of his passes this year, just like of his passes last year. He's not showing the improvement that the rest of the team is showing. And he is a very good running game and a very good defense, and nobody expects him to be perfect. You just want to see a level of improvement. But the way in which he handled himself after the game on Sunday made it easy for Robert Sala to say this, So the big thing I want to make sure I address on this one. UM, I just want to make sure you guys all listen to this very carefully. Please, Zach's career here is not over. I know that's going to be the narrative. I know that what that's what everybody wants to wants to shout out, And that's not even close to the case. The intent, the full intent is to make sure Zach gets gets back on the football field at some point this year. When that is, I'll make that decision. I'm going to take a day to day. Is it a small step back, absolutely for him, But do I think it's going to be a great leap forward when when he does get a chance to reset himself. Absolutely. So. This is not a This is not putting a nail in his coffin. This is not that. It's not even close to that. Um. What this is he's going to have to earn it back. He's gonna have to earn it back. I think it's actually a really good thing. With how Robert sala is approaching it right, everybody thinks it's the final thing, and maybe it is. If if is it Mike White, if he comes in, he lights up the world and he has the locker room. Boy, it's gonna be really, really hard. It's gonna be really really difficult. But Zach Wilson still the number two overall pick. This is very early on in his career. There's still life left. How you handle this? Are you gonna if you pout, if you show up late to meetings, if you act like you think it's over, it definitely will be. And the lesson is the lesson is you can't make it easy for people. You just can't make it easy for somebody to fire you. You just can't make it easy for somebody to move on from you. And now you're screwing up in your relationship. You gotta make it really hard for someone to move on if you want it. You know, you want to make it work. If you're struggling in your job, you gotta make it really hard for them to get rid of you. You gotta show that you really really wanted. If you're struggling in personal relationships, if you're struggling at work, if you're struggling in sports, it's all kind of the same thing. Make it as as difficult as possible for them to move on from you if you want it to happen. But it'll be interesting because this is some um major adversity to Zach Wilson, and to this point he has and this is where I would agree with Booker. He has shown that he is incapable of dealing with adversity to this point. Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Let's get to what the Fox said, and now Fox say. This is Colin Coward talking about Justin Herbert in response to Emmanuel Acho at his take that Justin Herbert is the social media QB. Does coaching matter? I don't know. I'm watching two of this year and I think it does. I'm watching the Saints without Sean Payton this year, I'm watching the Giants pivot from Joe Judge to Brian Davile. Does coaching matter? In two and a half years, Justin Herbert has had coaches who I think have undercoached him. So there's a difference between excuses and reasons. In two and a half years quarterbacking, Justin Herbert's defenses have been ranked and because of that he leads the NFL. The Chargers as a team lead the NFL since Justin Herbert arrived with nine blown fourth quarter leads Atlanta second. Why because he's often watching somebody get the ball, come back and take the lead from him against the terrible defense twenty ninth last year, twenty ninth this year. That's the first thing. So the other thing to remember he has asked to mostly when shootouts. Herbert with a bad defense, who has to outscore teams. His two best receivers, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams have missed nine starts. You're not getting help on the defensive side, and he doesn't have his two targets. I think there's a big gap between reasons and excuses. TUA now has a brilliant offensive coach Jalen Hurts, has a loaded roster and lots of support on the defensive side. Justin Herbert's got a bad defense, his star receivers aren't available, and once again he's staring at five and five. I think I think Emmanuel has take on Justin Herbert is the worst take in all of sports going right now? Okay, because what it does, and even Cullen, who appropriately put like have we noticed, first of all, nobody wins with a bad defense. They have a bad defense. But let's just take the let's let's let's take out the fact that the defense can't stop anybody that they're twenty nine and defense. Okay, um, he made the comparison of two a tongue of ioloa. Okay, And he did not point out, imagine if to a tongue of ioloa didn't have Tyreek Hill up until this point, and didn't have Jalen Waddle with exception of two games or three games in the year, and and and Jalen Waddle got one catch and then sat out. Imagine if you're tight ends were also injured. Oh yeah, And imagine if you're starting left tackle who's an All Pro as a rookie was out for the year. And then there are two other linemen who have been out. Okay, so imagine those things. And oh yeah, by the way, oh yeah, by the way, the Kansas City interception was not close to being on him, otherwise they win that game. It's the worst take I've ever heard, because here's all you need to say. He's not a social media quarterback. Every fucking GM in the NFL would take Justin Herbert over to a tug of by every fucking one, and your job as an analyst and a former professional football player. Is not just to have an opinion based upon watching games. You're allowed to have that opinion. You're like, you don't think. And by the way, if you watch those games and you don't think, Justin Herbert is really really good. I'll grant you. He makes some mistakes, he misreads some things. He does okay, but the good is far outweighs the bad. If you don't think, what you gotta do is you gotta have friends in the NFL. I mean, I didn't play in the NFL. I'm I'm play high school football, haven't play football growing up. So what I do is when I think something, I call people. I text people. I have a really good friend who was a director of player personnel for a team who's currently he's in in the sport, but he's not director player personnel. I text him. I have a couple of gms that I text. I have a couple of coaches. I have a quarterback coach that's a really good friend of mine. I got these people and I and I text them and what you think? And when I send them tapes like this, what they say is, please don't send me this because I can't handle that this is what somebody would actually talk about. It's literally the worst take in sports. It's there's there's no worst takes like the takes of Lebron and Jordan's. Like, look, if you want Lebron to be the second or third best player, or even Jordan to be, he has a take, by the way, I think he has Jordan's. Somebody is Jordan's the third best? Was Nick right? As Jordan's the third best player of all time? Like whatever, that's a bad take, but okay, like he can form. It's not like he's the worst player ever, not top five like whatever. Like Justin Herbert is an awesome quarterback. He's I mean, he's so he's gonna sign a contract that's probably bigger than any other quarterback, and then, of course it'll be at some point past everybody concludes this except for one guy. So I almost feel like it's not worth validating response, with the exception of the fact that Colin appropriately put doesn't feel like they're all that well coached on defense. Plus the defense has had injuries. You know, you don't have Joey Bows, so they're missing some other guys offensively, Dude, you're missing your left tackle, You're missing you're you're missing your starting center part of the season. You know, you're missing your tight ends most of the season. You're missing your best wide receiver, Pro Bowl, all Pro level wide receiver up until this past game. Right, So what are we actually talking about. No one would take to a over justin Herbert, No one to us having a nice year. He's having a very good year. He's playing at a high level. But if you're if your argument is simply result of the team oriented, and you played professional football and you want to you want to position yourself as a football analyst because you played football. I mean, like, like again, I could only this is not personal in any way. I will point this out. And Manuel Acho early in the season said, hey, are think about the Big twelve? Nobody stops anybody. He was talking about you know Oklahoma State or whatever. I mean, I only know this because it's my school. Like, bro, I know you played for Texas, but did you know that Oklahoma State last year was second in the country in defense? Like this is not that hard. So this this is me saying this. It's the worst taking sports. I won't validate it anymore. I'm not telling you Justin Herbert's the best. I think Pat Mahomes has had the best season. And by the way, there were people his brother who didn't put Pat Mahomes is the top five quarterback coming in this season. So apparently apple trees make apples. I don't know, but all I can tell you is that this is not my opinion because I'm a Charger fan and I watch every game and they break my heart all the time. This is not Jason Stewart's opinion. Who's a Charger fan. I'm telling you the opinion of football people. It's a laughably bad argument. Laughably what It's the type of argument that if you don't like it's like, look, I had a bad I had a bad take on Steph Curry being a pro. The difference in that is one played the sport, did Steph Curry's games when I was in college, and the opinion was based upon somebody who had watched and I had talked to some people. Most people actually did kind of did they disagree with me, But no one thought he was going to be the m V two undisputed m v P of the league and a champion to this level and the greatest shooter in the history of the sport and this type of game changing player no one. Okay, but I would also tell you, like, yeah, I mean the hindsight, it's wrong. It's inarguably wrong. He's inarguably wrong, and he keeps making the same take, and there's like tape and numbers and stats and things and people to point out that you're wrong, and yet that's his take. Go ahead, Jason, you want to clarify with the taken just for for listeners who aren't familiar. Emmanuel acho Um went on his show Speak on FS one and said that Justin Herbert is a social media um sensation. In other words, you only see the great plays he makes, the big throws on social media. They don't show interceptions or bad decisions on social media. So Justin Herbert is uh overrated because of that, because he gets a lot of run on social media and you don't see his faults. Okay, yeah, I mean he's he said, you know, it doesn't win. Here we are three years in a row. They're not in playoff. Can buy the way they are in playoff contention, by the way, last year, I mean, here's the thing. Last year they didn't make the playoffs. Um, how Justin Herbert play against the Raiders the last game of the season there, Jason Stewart, the final game of the season was incredible, right, it was one of the most incredible games anyone had ever seen. Why they lose because they can't stop anybody. Can't fucking stop anybody. They couldn't fucking stop a cold. I mean, they couldn't stop anybody. Is embarrassing. You just run the football. It couldn't stop him, could stop anybody. I actually think they were thirty in defense, not twenty nine. I think they're twenty nine. This year. There are thirty two teams in the NFL. No one wins with the ranked defense. Nobody. It doesn't exist. Go and look that stat up. It's such a bad take and he keeps making it, so I don't know what to do there. I don't know what's behind I don't know what his energy behind it is, Like, what is the Why is that a fight that you would pick? Is it because they were in the same draft class? Is it because the feeling is that I don't know. I can't even I can't figure it out. It's a really, really bad take, and it's the last we will discuss it. All right, here's that, dad say, was that too strong? There is that going to cause us to be have some trouble. I don't think there's any such thing as being too strong or too here. I do like the difference in the energy though. You know, you were very methodical and deliberate when welighing out the problem with gen X and Zach Wilson and everything, and then you get on this topic and you're a hundred miles an hour. So I'm glad I added that sound just to get you a little amped up, get your blood up a little bit. Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m. E ster Noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. It's our favorite part of every show, we call it. And now it's your annoying mother, all right, j STU, I believe you have three candidates. I will be the selector of who's annoying today? Okay, So of the three candidates today, I have a couple of returnees. Uh. First one being Melvin Gordon. Um. I don't know if you saw this, but obviously he got released by the Broncos this week after fumbling again in short yardage. So um, Melvin Gordon went on Twitter or social media yesterday and had this like really bad photoshop of him in the white Bronco where a C. Cowings drove o J on the four h five freeway. He put himself in the picture with a nonsensical caption about something about y'all fan and I'm out of here or something like that. I don't understand what the o J references first and foremost, but I'm always going to go back to that person during the Super Bowl who said to me, Melvin Gordon is barely in the NFL. He acts like he should be an RB one and getting all the carries. Um, you're annoying Melvin Gordon for many reasons, and I need to I need a some kind of explanation on the O. J. Simpson meme. I don't know what that is. Uh, there's never O J. Simpson meme. There's it's it's like a it's it's not it's it's still it's not quite the level, but it's similar, Like it's like a Hitler meme, like what what do you what are you doing? Right? Like that's just one of those why would you even consider possibly going there. Um, okay, that's a that's on the list. What else you got? Um? Sean McVeigh is repeated person on this segment, and I will say this, the way he's handled the running backs this season is atrocious. I will say that my biases that I had Cam Akers as my first running back one of my drafts. But they're the They're the worst running team in football. And I think a lot of it has to do with the decision making by him, not only the play calling, but like you sit Cam Akers with some punitive measure for half the season. You just cut Henderson yesterday, who leads your team um in in rushing, and now what do we do? Like Sean McVeigh, for a multitude of reasons this year, you're annoying, but the most recent one is you just cut your leading rusher and you're last in the NFL and rushing. Okay, that's too. What else? Vikings? The vikings to me represent what the NFL has become. The vikings are frustrating, there at times impossible to watch, and first and foremost, you never ever know what you're gonna get when you turn on the game. The vikings will lose forty three to Dallas and they'll beat the Bills. You just never know. And it's frustrating to me as somebody who just consumes the product. I don't gamble on the games. Just watching the NFL this year, you want a certain level of predictability, and the Vikings to me are just completely nonsensical, Like they don't make any sense to me. They play tomorrow night. Do you know who's gonna win, Doug, not the Vikings, But how do you know because it's the primetime game. My point is nobody knows they're gonna win fifty to nothing tomorrow. Um. Okay, So in in the your annoying, I'm gonna go with Melvin Gordon just the you get cut because you have a fumbling problem. And I would agree he acts like he is Derrick Henry, you know. Um, And really Ego got the best of him. You know. I don't know who advised him, but if you remember back when he was with the charges of their first overall pick, they offered him a contract extension. I think it was in the eight or nine million a year variety. He wanted top of the market in the thirteen million or year variety. They let him go free, and he never was close to making that money, and he's never been close to that level of production. It was a lose lose from both the charger's perspective and and his his his perspective, but more than anything, O J on a meme without explanation. Yeah, dude, no sense of self and no sense of what you should and shouldn't do. Melvin Gordon, you're annoying. You know, this is in fact a podcast, So we can do stuff no one else can do. That's all. We do things that we can only do here. Why are we doing this? I do because we can, all right, because we can. This is Aaron Rodgers talking about retirement but the city and say, oh, it's old ball all the time and blah blah blah bullshit, Like I mean, I don't know, it's not the way I am. Like, like, there's there's life after football, and there's life outside of football even during the season that I think it's important to keep that balance. So the obvious part is dropping a BS, which we can only do here. But the other part too, It is Aaron Rodgers talking sort of candidly about retirement, about the likelihood of a struggle retirement wise, which does open some of the doors to you thinking, Okay, does that mean he's gonna retire? It's it's it's you know, we're gonna have a year annoying without any question in the off season if he doesn't address it the day their season is done. But I find it really hard to believe that Aaron Rodgers would make such a deal about a contract if he's not gonna fulfill the part of the contract which pays him fifty eight million dollars next year. Why do we play that complete with the BS in its full unsensed variety because we can. All right, now it's time for our list of the day. Time for the list of the day. On the list, Snap, why didn't you say so? Okay? List of the day is the top five things, okay, top five things you plan to uh, you plan to eat? Eat your favorite things to eat on Thanksgiving? Um, ramos, I want you to think of yours, Chase, do I want you to think of yours? I will start with mine. Here comes number five, number five turkey. Okay, Now, I would never rank turkey number one. I'm a dark meat guy because, uh, for most of my adult life, white meat was was was my childhood. My mom would make a turkey. She'd always roast in the oven, and I aways felt like the white meat was dry. I've always been a kind of dark meat guy. I don't dig on a lot of turkey, but you have to have a little bit of the turkey to go with all of the rest of the victuals. If you will. Number four, macaroni and cheese. Now, macaroni and cheese was not a staple of my childhood. It wasn't until I got to Oklahoma State my sophomore year when Patsy Sutton, the late Patsy Sutton, would come up to us a week before Thanksgiving, and uh, we had a card left on all of our chairs in the locker room, and you would fill out the card over your favorite recipe from home, and she would call your your mom or your grandma, or whoever the recipe came from, and we eat all eat at the country club. And when we went out to the country club, there was a gigantic vat of two or three different recipes of macaroni and cheese. Again, I didn't grow out macaroni cheese. But if you've had macaroni and cheese, it's kind of amazing, especially with the whole other stuff that that that comes with it. Macaroni and cheese at a solid number four. Number three um to me, the desserts. And I know this may be a bit of a cop out to some that I'm not gonna list one individual dessert. I know some people think the desserts is the number one part. I'm usually so full I can only have a small piece and then you go back later for a bigger piece of pie. But usually pies. Whatever your dessert is, that that's a a really really strong number three. Number two mashed potatoes and you're like, wait, mashed potatoes, yes they're necessary, Okay, I a strong and also receiving votes as cranberries. I like the canned cranberry sauce because but again, it's all about the flavors mixing together. If you're one of these people that eats things individually, you may not agree with some of this stuff, but when you mix them all together, you you need this stuff. Um. Sweet potatoes are are acceptable any sort of potato dish. I'm gonna list at number two the potatoes. Sweet potatoes obviously have the sweetness to it, but the potatoes are fairly plain and mute. And when you add in the difference in the flavors in the mac and cheese the turkey, and then and wait for what we have last, that's number two. Number one dressing. Dressing. There's a difference between dressing and stuffing. Stuffing is stuff in the turkey. Dressing is oftentimes the same substance and it's cooked outside the turkey in its own sort of uh ceramic where if you will right, that dressing is gold. It just brings everything together. You don't need you don't need the hot bread the hot rolls, because the dressing is made of bread and it just soaks up all the flavors that you eat it together. That's your list of the day. It's now time for our pick of the day. I think you'll love it. Pick of the day is uh is an easy one. Cincinnati takes on Louisville tonight in college basketball. If you haven't been following Louisville basketball, it's okay. I understand college basketball still very early on, and you know, everybody kind of looks the same and you're trying to figure out who transferred where and what they have going for him. Louisville is all kinds of awful. Kenny Payne inherited a tough situation, and you know they didn't go all in on the n I L or nearly enough. They got beat by Texas Tech seventy to thirty eight. This is after getting beat by Arkansas EFT four. Previously playing home games, they lost to Bellarmine non Division one Right State and app State, both by a point. Okay, those are low majors. Louisville is a historically great program that just what was it ten years ago won a national championship. They play Cincinnati. This is West Miller's second year. Cincinnati hasn't been great. They got beat by Eastern Kentucky on the mainland, and they too. They lost to Arizona by eight. They lost to Ohio State, UH yesterday, lost to a House State yesterday by I think it was twenty eight points. So you would think that Cincinnati losing yesterday by twenty eight points. They're an eight and a half point favorite to Louisville. Man, Louisville has got a chance to win this game. They don't. Louisville stinks. They're awful. I would guess the Florida A and M game is probably their most likely chance to win a game this year. That's how bad they are, Cincinnati minus eight and a half. You're welcome. There's your pick of the day. All right, that's a that's gonna do it for if ore in the Bonus podcast. I want to do this, Um, two things one you know, look, it's a day of of things. I want to first thank John Ramos. I started working here five years ago. I'm sure he's had a bad day. I don't remember being able to. I feel like John ever had a bad day. Right, John, you are an absolute joy to work with. I am thankful for our time together. Jason Stewart, we've only been together working together. Has it been It's not been a year yet, Right, when did you start? It's been fifteen months? Came out last season? Yeah? Okay, Um, and for but here's what people don't know, and maybe I shouldn't say it, but I wanted Jason to start with us, going back almost two years ago. And um, I don't I gotta I recall the conversation, but it was one of those like all I needed was Jason to say he wanted to do it, and it would have been done two years ago. Right, Um, But I can't tell you how happy it makes me to have daily conversations with you as my producer. I've had um Adam Kluge, it was my longtime producer. UM. Jeremiah Crowe was one of producers just now. He's up at I think can b R in Northern California. Adams down in San Diego. He runs that Padre station. So a couple of things are obviously you work, you work with me, and I'm gonna You're gonna become a superstar. Jason has already been a superstar. But um, I don't know. It's really really fun to do the show with you and then Dan Buyer and the daily conversations, your engagement in sports, the the amount of knowledge, the ability to to pick up where I left off or on days where I need a little bit of help. Danny been great. I love my crew. I can't say that I've ever been in a situation where any three, four or five guys. Um, when you guys are off, any one of you are off, I don't feel like I'm nearly or this show is nearly as good. And that speaks to the quality of your work and the quality of our relationship together. This show is way better than it has ever been previously. And it's been I think it's been good. You know it's been good. But it's what all three of you guys bring to the table. I am sincerely and truly grateful and thankful for for working with you guys and your hard work on a daily basis. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving. Uh. Today is the anniversary of my father's passing, So it should give you a chance to to to listen to these words from somebody that loses somebody really close to them is you know, don't take it for granted. Don't just tell them that you love him, tell him what you love about him. Make sure they know that you know them as a person. They're quirks, they're good, they're bad, and that you appreciate them because there may be a Thanksgiving dinner in the near future, hopefully in the distant future, that they're not with you. I'm Doug Gotlieck. This is in the bonus