For over 20 years, Jill Phillips’ catalog has served as a deep well from which others have drawn much-needed perspective, encouragement, and healing. Join Matt Conner as he talks with Jill about curiosity over shame, self-kindness, and how she “ugly cried” once when performing the song "If You Were Here." 

For over 20 years, Jill Phillips’ catalog has served as a deep well from which others have drawn much-needed perspective, encouragement, and healing. Join Matt Conner as he talks with Jill about curiosity over shame, self-kindness, and how she “ugly cried” once when performing the song "If You Were Here."

A podcast about the movement from painful experiences to meaningful music. Part of the Rabbit Room podcast network. (Rabbitroom.com)

A podcast about the movement from painful experiences to meaningful music. Part of the Rabbit Room podcast network. (<a href="https://www.rabbitroom.com">Rabbitroom.com</a>)

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For over 20 years, Jill Phillips’ catalog has served as a deep well from which others have drawn much-needed perspective, encouragement, and healing. Join Matt Conner as he talks with Jill about curiosity over shame, self-kindness, and how she “ugly cried” once when performing the song "If You Were Here."

Jill Phillips: "If You were Here"

Singer-songwriter Zach Winters says the most difficult song from his newest album, Shade of Indigo, is “When it Falls Apart,” a song that took considerable time to finish because he knew he had to thread the needle carefully when figuring out what to say. It’s a song that carries the grief of a friend and even offers up a response, and with that comes a very real responsibility to offer something substantive. 

If you’re familiar with Zach’s music, you know this isn’t much of a problem. Zach is a gifted poet and wordsmith whose compositions feel like the sort of cinematic melodies in which you can truly lose yourself. They’re thoughtful and beautiful and this song is no exception, a gift offered in grace to someone mired in grief.

Singer-songwriter Zach Winters says the most difficult song from his newest album, Shade of Indigo, is “When it Falls Apart,” a song that took considerable time to finish because he knew he had to thread the needle carefully when figuring out what to say. It’s a song that carries the grief of a friend and even offers up a response, and with that comes a very real responsibility to offer something substantive. 
If you’re familiar with Zach’s music, you know this isn’t much of a problem. Zach is a gifted poet and wordsmith whose compositions feel like the sort of cinematic melodies in which you can truly lose yourself. They’re thoughtful and beautiful and this song is no exception, a gift offered in grace to someone mired in grief.

Zach Winters: "When It Falls Apart"

For singer-songwriter John Tibbs, the months entering into the global pandemic of 2020 brought about a two-year period in which Tibbs says he could not write—for a number of reasons he documents in our conversation here. After years as a full-time artist on the road 200+ days per year, it was a seismic shift and a downward spiral.

In this episode, we talk about that hard season, and John introduces us to his song "After the Night."

For singer-songwriter John Tibbs, the months entering into the global pandemic of 2020 brought about a two-year period in which Tibbs says he could not write—for a number of reasons he documents in our conversation here. After years as a full-time artist on the road 200+ days per year, it was a seismic shift and a downward spiral.
In this episode, we talk about that hard season, and John introduces us to his song "After the Night."

John Tibbs: "After the Night"

There are a hundred ways in which the process of writing, recording, and releasing a song can be messy, especially when it’s written from a point of pain or borne out of difficult circumstances. For the members of Wild Harbors, those issues could multiply many times over, given that they’re not only a great pop duo out of Nashville, but they’re also husband and wife.

We’re thrilled to share one of the firstfruits from a forthcoming new album entitled “Break My Heart,” a song that came to Wild Harbors in a dry spell and admits the shadow side of loving something—that to love something is to also inevitably get hurt by the loss of it.

There are a hundred ways in which the process of writing, recording, and releasing a song can be messy, especially when it’s written from a point of pain or borne out of difficult circumstances. For the members of Wild Harbors, those issues could multiply many times over, given that they’re not only a great pop duo out of Nashville, but they’re also husband and wife.
We’re thrilled to share one of the firstfruits from a forthcoming new album entitled “Break My Heart,” a song that came to Wild Harbors in a dry spell and admits the shadow side of loving something—that to love something is to also inevitably get hurt by the loss of it.

Jill Phillips: "If You were Here"

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