For over 20 years, Jill Phillips’ catalog has served as a deep well from which others have drawn much-needed perspective, encouragement, and healing. Join Matt Conner as he talks with Jill about curiosity over shame, self-kindness, and how she “ugly cried” once when performing the song "If You Were Here." 

<p>For over 20 years, Jill Phillips’ catalog has served as a deep well from which others have drawn much-needed perspective, encouragement, and healing. Join Matt Conner as he talks with Jill about curiosity over shame, self-kindness, and how she “ugly cried” once when performing the song "If You Were Here." </p>

A podcast about the movement from painful experiences to meaningful music. Part of the Rabbit Room podcast network. (Rabbitroom.com)

<p>A podcast about the movement from painful experiences to meaningful music. Part of the Rabbit Room podcast network. (<a href="https://www.rabbitroom.com">Rabbitroom.com</a>)</p>

The Deepest Cut

For over 20 years, Jill Phillips’ catalog has served as a deep well from which others have drawn much-needed perspective, encouragement, and healing. Join Matt Conner as he talks with Jill about curiosity over shame, self-kindness, and how she “ugly cried” once when performing the song "If You Were Here."

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