Jenny Radcliffe has made a successful business out of deception, manipulation and con artistry as “the People Hacker.” Dane and Lucy met the social engineer, who companies hire to test their vulnerabilities, with a skillset she’s been perfecting since she was just a kid.

They unpack the “White Lotus effect” on global travel, and explore the origin story of “Respect,” the defining song of Aretha Franklin on what would have been the Queen of Soul’s 83rd birthday.