For 15 years I've been trying to figure out how to stem the tide of suicides taking my teammates — and today's guest is on the front line of that fight. Jonathan Dickinson is the CEO and co-founder of Ambio Life Sciences, the world's leading ibogaine clinic, and this conversation gave me more genuine hope than anything I've encountered.

What you'll hear:

• David breaks down why he calls this the most meaningful episode in show history

• Jonathan explains the Stanford study published in Nature Medicine — and the 88% reduction in PTSD symptoms

• Why the "signature wound" of the GWOT era was brain damage misread as PTSD

• What ibogaine actually restores: "a choice where you didn't have a choice before"

• How Ambio protects a sacred Gabonese tradition while scaling from 4 patients a week to 40

• The April 2026 executive order that moved this medicine from the underground to the White House

Jonathan Dickinson is a Mexico-licensed psychologist with 15+ years working with ibogaine in clinical and ceremonial contexts. His book, "Ibogaine and the Bicameral Mind," releases September 8 — preorder at jonathandickinson.ca.

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🕘 Timestamps:

00:00 – Preview

00:30 – The Stanford study: what magnesium–ibogaine did to 30 operators

08:11 – It was never just PTSD: blast waves and the brain

14:08 – Addiction, agency, and "a choice where you didn't have a choice"

22:39 – Identity, transition & why people die when they retire

26:38 – Protecting the ritual while scaling

31:55 – Malta: Europe's first physician-led ibogaine clinic

34:57 – The executive order, new clinics & the risks

40:28 – Gabon, Bwiti & the Nagoya Protocol

44:24 – The bicameral mind, SSRI's, subjectivity

53:10 – Writing the book & stewarding the medicine

59:34 – How to support Ambio + book preorder