The Dan Patrick ShowDan Patrick chats with Reds Hall of Famer Johnny Bench to get his thoughts on MLB posthumously reinstating Pete Rose from his permanent ban. Dan talks with Mavericks HC Jason Kidd about the future of the franchise without Luka Doncic and with presumptive top pick Cooper Flagg. Plus, Covino & Rich step in for Dan Patrick to finish out the week and preview what should be the greatest sports weekend New York has seen in decades!
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It's bringing Johnny Bench the Hall of Famer. Johnny Great, see you again. Let me ask you the question, do you agree with what the Commissioner did yesterday?
I do. I just I think he's done more work than you can imagine to try to figure this out. I think it had to be agreed upon by the Hall of Fame, though I think that was a question mark that had to be done. Jane is the person that's basically, you know, what's the sanctification of the Hall of Fame and that hopefully all members of the Hall of Fame, although we know there's been question marks about it, whether it be peds or whether it be past history or people that have been elected to the Hall of Fame. But for the Commissioner, I think he I know personally that I've talked to him. I know there's others that have talked to him. I know that he's trying to get the temperature of what it was. I think the temperature was mixed. I think I think like the voting is sixty one percent. I think the percentages were one way or the other with some Hall of famers. Do you take a poll of the Hall of Famers, or you take a poll of the writers, or you take a poll of just the dan Etz and I think you're going to wind well. I mean, they're fans, and they understand what's happened with Pete and with the Black Sox scandals. I mean the one person I mean, as you may, as you know Ted Williams was a staunch supporter of shoeless show Jackson, and they keep saying, well, there was no evidence against it, and he hit three something or four hundred, So I guess the feel is all I can say is it is a perfect time for this thing to come out because right now as we prepare for the day, I am not in Cincinnati, but they are honoring Pete at the stadium. There will be forty two thousand people coming out and maybe more now that this announcement has been done. But for the Rose family, I'm extremely happy for them that it's all somewhat behind us.
Why wait until Pete dines, Well.
That's I think that there was some concern that it would He wanted to get into the game of baseball as far as what has been talked about. He wanted to still be a manager or something like that. I think that created some problems, the fact that whether somebody would actually hire him at this point or what position he would be in. And I think there was still okay, you know, we still have to have a certain caution here. We got to put up some yellow flags and in most cases a lot of red flags and make sure that none of this happens. I really believe it was a push by so many people. I think the Commissioner's ruled on it twice. I know Bud Jim Bud Seeley ruled on it two or three times, and the consensus was that he was not going to he was permanently banned. And so I think there's they're cutting hairs a little bit on whether now that he's deceased.
Now it's okay, you probably know this better than anybody. How do you think Pete would react today if he were alive?
About damn time? What? What took him so long? About damn time? Uh? No? I think he wanted to, He wanted to be voted on. I think he felt like he never had that opportunity and everything else, and I think that was his one one thing. I think he always believed that had he been on the ballot that he would have been voted into the Hall of Fame. Now what the what the Hall of Fame has not done, I think is make a space for Pete in the Hall. And you know, we we honor different groups of baseball players. We honored catchers, or we honored day, we honor the heroes and what is baseball and legends and everything else. I think it's a perfect spot for the Hall of Fame to in so many ways. And I think you'll see it in Cincinnati on the board today. I think they'll highlight all the things and the person that he was one hundred and forty five pounds, He was not drafted, he had to be he had to be had at a scout, which was an uncle to give him a tryout. Then he winds up being an All Star at five different positions, then he's you know, he wins the MVP of the World Series. These are all things that you can honor him with and praise him for. And I think I heard Mike Smith talking about the fact that and and the other players on MLB talking about the fact that they were they wanted to be like Pete, they wanted to play like Pete. They wanted to hit first slide, they wanted to do all things he was. He was a persona case personification of hustle and attitude and love for the game of baseball. And the rules are the rules, but for Pete, he I think he should be honored at the Hall of Fame just with video, but you also tell the story of why and while why this happened, and what the ramifications are.
I think the immediate reaction from a lot of people was Pete's going to get into the Hall of Fame. And I've cautioned my audience to say, they're not going to vote on this till December of twenty twenty seven. And there's other guys on that ballot like Steve Garby and Louis Tiant and you know some really good players Shoeless Joe Jackson's going to be on there as well. So it's not a foregone conclusion Pete gets in or even gets on the ballot. But you know it's going to be a process here, and people.
Should I think we can. I think we can assume that his name will be there. I think they there's going to be the need for that to happen. But I think there's you know, there's you know, there's guys. You know they've been on Some of these guys have been on the ballot for twenty years. I mean, you know, they keep thinking, or they'll think, and you know, famous is we're of Frank Robinson and Bob Feller and this isn't for the good, this is for the great and so and that is exactly the way it was framed. And so here here we are at this point saying, okay, you we know Pete Rose great good gosh, he's forty two hundred and fifty six hits, you know, and you know all the teams that he helped in all the World Series. We know it's there. But I think that would be the ultimate honor. But again, you're, okay, we're going to take twelve or sixteen guys. We're gonna take four owners, we're gonna take four media, and we're gonna take eight players, and we're gonna have to get twelve votes. And you know, Marvin Miller didn't make it in Forever because the owners were never going to vote for him because they felt like during the drug situation he could have controlled that better, and yet he had to allow players to get off of the drugs before they contest them, and that's why it took long then. And you can also say that Sosa and the Peds and Maguire saved the game of baseball. All of these things are suppositions. All these things are not proven, but all these things are true. And so now you got to get twelve guys to go to sixteen guys to go into a room, and you got to have twelve.
Yeses talking to Johnny Bench, the Hall of Famer. Do you think Pete Bett as a baseball player on baseball?
I don't have that knowledge. I'm for me to say yes, I think that that would be a little I can't say for sure because I don't have any evidence of that.
Yeah, I just maintain And once again, Pete and I shared a bookie growing up when Pete was Pete Rose. You know, I went through a bookie that he used. So I never knew anything about Pete betting as a player. But I don't think you start betting as a manager. And I like, right, let's be fair to the situation here, because everybody said, well, he bet as a manager and he bet on his team to win. I think there's more information there that hasn't did he did?
He bet on them every game to win.
He told me a couple of years ago, first time he ever admitted that he bet on the Reds to win. Now, I I was under the impression and he was betting on them to win every night.
All right, Well, so Dan, you you're you're standing beside him, and here you're listening to him calling his bookie, and he says, I want the Reds, the Indians and the Braids. You stand by him. The next night he wants the Reds, the Yankees and the Dodgers. And the next night he says, I want the Pirates, the Cubs and the Yankees. You don't like the Reds tonight, Okay's going to be calling.
The book But Johnny, I was told by somebody who would know there were certain pictures that Pete didn't want to bet on to win games for the Reds.
Okay, So I had a lot of conversations. Did you have a private line?
I had too many conversations. But I would know during hockey season or football season who Pete was betting on through my bookie. Who took you know, some of the off bets from the main bookie who lived in Indian Hills and that Pete went through, so I was I was kind of privy to this. I get to ESPN, I walk in first month, I'm there, the Pete Rose scandal breaks. I call my former bookie. I'm like, I need some information here, and my bookie's like, no names. I said, no, just give me the information, and he did.
Well, it's like gambling becomes yours. Like it's like you you know, this is the story. I'll just use you as an example. You bet on every baseball game, you bet on every football game, and you bet on every football basketball game, and you lose every bet. So you call your bookie an Indian Hill and say, I'm quitting, I am done with betting, I am not going to bet anymore. And but then he'll say, well, what about hockey. It's just coming up. And you'll say, what do I.
Know about hockey? Well, Pete had that satellite dish outside his house, so he would dial up all of these He'd be watching Vancouver Canucks and betting hockey.
Oh I can still remember, well, yeah, I mean he got a tip. You know, somebody gave you a good tell. You back in the seventy three or four. I we're up at uh we're having an event with Bob Hopeing. You know, my buddy who is has a has a likes to bet, and he's watching the baskets and he and if you know, the game's coming on, he's watching football and he's the games come on, says he think I get be armed with. Mister hoped if I I watched the game, I said, well, I'm not turning it's on my TV. I mean, is this sweet here? You're going to have to do that? And he said, you know, just Hope do you uh? Do you like football? Of course he had his book open to whatever his bets were, and Bob said.
Oh yeah, turn it on.
Let's see what this. I got four of them. I got four puns on this guy. I think everybody's probably he had a bet at one time or the other. Have you I have? You know? I somebody said if you'll better want every home favorite, you'll win. So I tried it for about six games. You know I would I couldn't you know if I you know, I said, no, it's not my it's not my ideal. I'm not lucky at gambling.
And I love my money, Moore, would you rather have Otani or Judge on your team right now?
I would say Otani just because the fact that I could get him to pitch it one time or the other, that would be the backup thing. I mean right now, Judges, you know what he is. I mean, he's awesome. I mean, I just I just love his approach, his love is. You know, he's got such reach, he's got such patience. He's the kind of guy that doesn't have to hit the ball out of the ballpark because everybody wants him to hit altball out of the ballpark. He's going the other way. They're pitching him so many different ways. He's got such a great, great discipline up there. But Otani, you know, you watch him flail away. You don't see you know, you don't see Aaron Judge do that. You just don't see that flailing away and missing and everything else. And but yeah, for stolen bases, which Judge can do, the only only caveat for me would be the fact that I could put Otani into pitch.
Is there a sound of a home run that still resonates with you whether you hit it or you were behind the plate and somebody hit it.
Well, there's two now that you mentioned. Now was there was two? Come to mind. One was in the All Star Game and we were in Griffiths Stadium in DC and Steve Carlton was pitching at Frank Howard. You know, big Frank Howard. Take what eight about that pacent? You know, I'm just from big and strong. But I just made contact. Hill I probably hit a hundred home runs and he can the plate and Steve threw him a fastball. It went right past Steve's head and went over the center field fence and bounced off the concrete and he crossed home plates. You know see what I mean. I just make contact is all I did. But the other, of course, was the home run I hit against the Pirates in seventy two to tie the game of the night. And I don't know if it's the sound or it's the echo, because I would walk in Riverfront Stadium and you know, al Michael's just doing a documentary thing and I was repeating the fact that the one in two, the bench change it in the air and the deep right field back goes climbing into the walls. She's gone. And I would hear that every time I don't know why I stepped in the stadium.
Was that off Dave Justin? Uh?
Yeah, yeah, I mean I remember Ron Santo coming here playing golf. He walks in, what's the gore two to one? The Pirates are three to two of the pirates, and he said games over. When they said Jesse was in because you couldn't hit him with the boat door, I mean, he was just he was nasty and it just happened to be for me.
But when Reggie Jackson hit the light tower in Tiger Stadium at the All Star Game, was that a sound.
Like that?
You remember? I mean that that's one of God?
Do I remember I'm sitting all right the best view of all I mean, I knew the beadle and the long table. I mean I was the one that had all of this stuff down, you know, and you know, and I always tell Reggie because Reggie, you know, Reggie likes the swagger part.
I said.
What you don't understand is Reggie, my ball, my home run went farther and yours. Did I hit it up in right center field in the in the US, in the up in center field, right center field going out to and of course we have our things with it and everything else, but Reggie was the beauty. But god, oh my gosh. I mean we just stood there and looked at it, like, where in the hell is this going to go? You couldn't imagine it would hit those light standards up there. I mean, that is It's one of the kind. And it was a special moment because I mean, think about that All Star game. How many thirty thirty some guys from the Hall of Fame we're in there. How you doing? What's the green for it?
I mean, let's ask misted by about six weeks, eight weeks that's Adam Sandler sent this to me for Happy Gilmore.
What position? Oh, he's a yeah, I've seen your game. I played with you. Actually, yeah, it's close.
To Happy Gilmore.
Are you happy?
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Rich joining us now Hall of Famer Jason Kidd, mAb's head coach and won an NBA championship with the MAVs back twenty eleven two time Olympic gold medalist. We were just wondering, where do you rank on the all time assist list. Let's go around the room and guess where is Jay Kidd on the all time list?
There?
Todd third, third, Okay Seaton two, Marvin third, Paul two. I'm gonna go four. Where is Jake Kid on the all time assist list?
Stock number one?
Chris Paul new number two spot, Jason Kidd in a three spot, Lebron James on his heels?
Is Lebron going to catch Jay Kidd?
He's got five hundred and eight to go.
Man, you're getting kicked. You're getting kicked down here? Man, how are you doing?
I'm doing great, Dan, I'm doing great. Yes, that happens. I didn't play long enough.
Best passer though, in the history of the game, is who not who had the most assists? Best passer passer?
I'm going to go with Stockton.
Why is then?
I think you know the bounce pass. He had, big hands, could take it off, the dribble, could pause with it. Some would say it's maybe double.
Dribble, but.
I think he knew how to manipulate the ball off the dribble and being able to find his target, and he had some pretty good targets.
Okay, but when did carrying become legal in the NBA.
In nineteen sixty sixty. Well, it's always been a part of the game.
Well no, no, like now it's just you can have your hand on the bottom of the ball and then go Was it Iverson who started it?
I don't think it was Iverson. I think it's the guy we were.
Just talking about. Was the first guy to carry the ball.
I think if you look at Stockton, he knew how to manipulate the dribble.
Was he dirty?
He was smart?
Where were you on Lottery night?
Lottery Night?
I was in Newport Beach at a board meeting for Gold Rental and I thought, okay, well we're going to probably fall backwards instead of going forward. So my phone started to go crazy during the meeting, and I kept texting the person back saying are you sure it's not you're missing a one? Because he goes, you're in the top four and I mean fourteen, and he goes no, and he goes, I think you just got one. I go, you mean we stayed at eleven, and then my phone started going crazy.
So that's where I was.
Wait, you're not even watching the lottery.
I you know, things just weren't going well for us.
Really, what else has happened this year?
A lot of injuries, but I just felt, you know, we were going to stay around eleven, if not go backwards, just the way that things were going for us this year. But incredible to get number one. Everyone's excited, the organization, the city, the MAVs fans, and also the head coach. So we're really excited about being number one.
Planning on keeping the pick and taking Cooper Flag.
Yes, I'm just the coach, So yes, I would say that we're all concentrating on number one. The draft is deep and so, but as the name you just brought up, I think we're all focused.
On Have you spoken to Cooper Flag?
I have not spoken to Cooper Flag. I don't want to break any of the rules get us in trouble, so I want to make sure that when I do answer these questions that you know the speculation is Cooper Flag.
But there's you know, we got to go through the process.
Okay, So you would get in trouble if you did reach out to Cooper Flag before the draft.
Yeah, well no, not technically. Once we bring him in, we'll get out.
You're not allowed to say his name.
I would.
I'm trying to be politically correct here and make sure that we don't get in trouble and I don't step on any toes.
OK So the kid from Duke there we go.
Are you are?
You're excited. We're excited.
I don't want to get you fined. Okay, thank you, thank you.
I can't afford the fine. And so we're excited about the kid at Duke. I can't wait to talk to the coach over there, Coach Shire and also a good friend of mine, coach k a mentor, and get some background on the on the kid at Duke.
We're really excited about this opportunity.
You were twenty one as a rookie. I can't imagine what nineteen is going to be like for the kid from Duke. How is that different or has the game made it easier for that transition for somebody that young.
No, I don't know if it's easier. I think eighteen he's going to be drafted, he'll be eighteen. He doesn't turn nineteen until December and so just understanding he's young, but he's very talented, can play both ends, and so being able to have older players and when I say that out of respect, they're not dinosaurs. But when you look at the age of thirty kai ad guys that are here, Clay can definitely help him with the process of going through a rookie season.
And the kid from Duke doesn't have to walk in and be the savior like he probably would have been in Washington, DC or maybe Charlotte, that you can kind of ease him in to being a third or fourth option on the team.
Yeah, I think this is a great situation for him. I think when you talk about the different guys that we have already on the team, the pressure of living up to number one will be a lot easier with the talent around him. When you talk about the other clubs, he would have to, you know, produce right away at a high, high level. And so I think this is a great situation for him to grow his game where the pressure isn't as high, but we are playing for a championship and so it would be a lot of fun.
Jason Kidd, Hall of Famer Mavericks head coach, how were you told that you had just traded Luca.
I was told by my boss Nico that we were going to make a change.
But where where give me the give me this scenario hotel?
This is in the hotel in Cleveland. And so he said the news was going to hit in an hour and and that's how it went down. And so when he told me, I started. I went back to my room to start figuring out how we're going to use a D and Christy because of this change.
And so so.
You found out you didn't even get a chance to argue.
No, there was there's no arguing. This is this is what was going to take place. And so for me, it's to to move forward from past experiences as a player. I've been traded the day after Christmas, I think from Dallas to Phoenix and thinking they were trading uh, Jimmy or Jamal and they told me that they were trading me and so and so just understanding that the train keeps moving. And I thought my players and my coaching staff did an incredible job with you know, once they heard the news of preparing to keep moving forward and and especially with all the trade and the injuries, I thought we did an incredible job.
When's the last time you spoke to Luca?
I texted him on that morning. Uh, and that's the last time I've talked to him.
How did he respond to your text?
I don't think he was too happy, and just again from the experience of being traded, you know, maybe being surprised, you know, upset, feelings are high. But again, I loved the opportunity of coaching Luca. He's an incredible person and we all know his talent is one of the best in the world. And so you know, again my mindset is to deal with the cars that I'm dealt and and keep pushing forward. And I've always said this publicly and probably I wish Luca the best. He's one of the best players in the world.
I thought you were going to say that you meet with Nico in his hotel room, he tells you he's trading Luca, and then you go back to your hotel room and cry. But but but that didn't happen, right.
I didn't cry. I was more or less trying to figure out how we're going to make this thing work. You know, this is a big trade.
But who do you call first? After Nico tells you that you're trading Luca.
I didn't call anybody. I put my phone down and looked at the ceiling as started trying to brainstorm of how this is going to go down. I did not call anybody once this hit, and my my job as the coaches is to make sure that we all are pushing in the right direction. There was gonna be a lot of questions that morning from staff and players, and I thought Nico did a great job of handling it by having the meeting and for us pushing forward.
Anybody have a better handle than Kyrie in that in NBA history.
Oh, I'm gonna say no, But I'm gonna say there's some close seconds when you talk about Isaiah Thomas Detroit, Isaiah.
Thomas underrated by the way.
Oh, very underrated, very underrated.
Why I think sometimes it's it's our fault we don't we don't bring up Isaiah Jay Williams white Chocolate. I thought his handle and his passing is incredible storytelling. I don't know if we don't do a good, good enough job of storytelling with Isaiah or our past players, and so I think Isaiah would be right there as one b.
Yeah, but I think with Isaiah likability. The way they played, they were the bad boys. You know, they were trying to hurt Jordan, and I think that maybe that plays into it with Isaiah.
Well, I don't know if they were just trying to hurt Jordan.
They were trying to hurt everybody. But if the Pistons don't treat Michael that way, Michael doesn't start weightlifting, and like that made Michael even greater. They're responsible for unleashing, you know, the new and improved Michael Jordan.
Yeah, I think.
You know, sometimes when we look at things that take place in our league, uh, some are looked upon as negatives, but a lot of players or coaches use them as positives and try to turn it into something. And as you said, Unleasha's the beast and Michael and he took that and ran with it, got stronger. His game was, his talent was already elite, and so I think he used as motivation to become the best in the world.
Do you remember facing him the first time? Yes, oh what happened?
Now?
It was actually nice. He was nice to me. I'll never forget I ended up on him. Unfortunately, I didn't know how the switch happened. But he has me in the post and all I can think about is just turn around and fade away and keep it simple and nice. But he went baseline and he took off, and unfortunately my wife I didn't. I missed it, and I was like, oh, this is going to be on ESPN H and he's gonna do and look and you know, do what he does.
But he just did a.
Nice little reverse layup and looked and kind of winked, and I say, oh, man, I'm glad he'd dunk it.
But he took it easy on me.
But why did you realize he was better than you?
Oh before tip off?
Well, you know, you guys have egos. I mean, like Larry Bird had to get to a point where he said, you know what, he's the best player in the game. My magic had to you. Guys, are you know, pretty tough when you're going to relinquish something like that.
Yeah, But I think we all understood when we we have to be realistic, Uh, understanding Michael is the best and so coming in as a rookie, you know you wanted that challenge. He wanted to compete against the best, but understanding he was going to win the majority of those battles.
And and he did, and and.
So you couldn't wait for that game to be over so that you can go plays that you can take and stuff.
Maybe they'll write a book on this year for the Dallas Mavericks one day, just this year of everything that's happened, because it's hard to believe, right.
Yeah, I think you're right. I think there's someone's going to write a book.
Or thirty for thirty on ESPN.
It could be a thirty for thirty for sure.
There's enough content, you know there when you talk about just there was in you know, a season within a season, and there's maybe three seasons just with the trade and with all the injuries that we had, trying to keep you know, pushing forward and finding a way into the playing game and winning one and unfortunately coming up short against Memphis, but just everything that took place. I think there is a book there and then probably a thirty for thirty.
Good to talk to you again, Thanks for joining us.
Happy birthday, Thank you, thank you. Look great man.
What did you get me?
Well?
I was going to say a jump shot, but you already believe that you shoot, So.
Now we don't we don't want to go down the road, do we? We don't want to go down memory lane? Because do we?
Yeah?
Why not? It's your birthday? You you.
I go to Dallas to shoot against you, right, Yes, I come to down. I fly to Dallas to play you know you in a game of horse.
Yes.
And what happened after practice? Who went home and left me there out shooting by myself?
You did well?
You I forfeited, so you are?
Okay? Yeah? And then all of a sudden, who becomes a great three point shooter?
You do?
Yeah, you turned me into a great three point shooter. So you get credit. I'm giving you credit. Where's doing? You turned me into a three point shooter?
You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. So I don't need a jump shot. We know that.
You know?
Maybe what hutter driver?
How about this? How about a autograph jersey from the kid from Duke Oh done? Okay, here we go easy, just making dreams come true? Thank you, bud him. That's Jason Kidd, Hall of Famer. Yeah, I told you guys the story here, I told you the story. I went to Dallas. We had a great relationship, and I said I will beat you in a shooting contest. And I'm there in the stands waiting for practice to end, and I'm waiting it ends, and I'm going, where's Jason? The clubhouse guy goes, Oh, he left, and I go he left, and he admitted he didn't he knew that I could shoot there. He is right there. He just came back.
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Now, we got to talk about what's going on tonight because I think I think forget that. Hell, I know, tonight is the biggest event that's happening at Madison Square Garden in the twenty first century. I know you might think that sounds crazy, but I'll explain a second. But before we get into Nick Celtics tonight, which is a big deal, big story, I gotta ask you, like the most immature, dumb question please, And it's a fun question because I was talking about this with one of the dads for my kids little league team yesterday. If you were watching the Thunder and the Nuggies, Jamal Murray going off twenty five points and he was sick, not feeling well. You know, sometimes big game players come up in big spots, especially when they're not feeling so hot.
Right, kind of how I feel today. It's a big day. We're filling in and I feel a little out of it, you know what. I because I'm sick because I stuffed my face yesterday. So I'm like, oh many meet the mass over and used and waking up so early. My bathroom schedules off. So I'm really like, oh, don't tell us that, but yeah, man, oh, I ate so much like a slob yesterday that I'm not feeling that great right now. I have the same thing, right. A relatively immature question for you, but.
Listen, when you play at an NBA level, a Major League Baseball level, at NFL level, you're always trying to get the edge, right, like everyone, that's a big thing in sports.
You're trying to get the edge, any advantage, right right.
You've heard there's players who got stinkys in the NFL because they you know, they want people to get away from me.
Yeah, any advantage, any edge. So competitive the most competitive people on the planet.
So if you're a sick Jamal Murray, do you breathe a little bit on SGA like.
Maybe thinking like if I have a little twenty four the Last of Us, like the Last of Us? If you watch The Last of Us.
I'm just picturing those deadly green spores when she's in that elevator bank.
You know, it is a really dumb question. I'm glad you prefaced it, but I wouldn't put it past them.
Dude.
If the ninest level we're talking of the most competitive people on Earth, and I wouldn't be surprised that it happens in regular life because some people are just that competitive. Like if Jonas was like I really want to bring down cn R, I hate those guys. You know, you'd be rubbing his germs all over the microphones.
I don't know how that works, you.
Know, but we love Jonas and we love everybody here luckily, but you never know, Yeah, find out he rubbed his cheeks on your mic. People are vengeful. They didn't Mike who runs his place? They'd like, never leave your tooth brush around people you don't know, or something weird like that, who runs his place?
My point, My point is simple. It might soundly mature, but when one of us are sick, you or our video guy spots the first, Oh, don't breathe on.
Me, cor I mean COVID changed the game.
Yeah, well, I'm saying he can bring up that dirty word that ruined four years of our life. I think that if regular people are eye rolling about, like stay away, don't come to work, if you're feeling sick and you have a game seven and forty eight hours, you don't think it's a wild thought to be like maybe I'll breathe a little extra on SGA. If I have a twenty four to forty eight hour little thing going on, maybe I'll give it to them. If I was a betting man, and I'm not really, I'm just more of a cheapskate. I like the action. I would say, no one had this conversation at all. That's my guess because I think of these that I put it past people in history and in the past, and hasn't been done before. As your favorite group, The Bear Naked Lady said, Rich, it's all been done. I'm sure it has been done before. It's all man, and I'm sure it's been done in real life like sabotage. You think you think these guys are above sabotage. I mean people are trying to all y'all, people are sabotage.
People are in the middle of a you know, a pylon in the NFL, and they're you know, grabbing junk and punching guys.
You know, I doubt this happened, but the thought is not as outrageous and goofy as you think. I bet it's happened before because people are looking for that edge like you described and sabotage and want to take people down. And it might be someone at the office, might be someone at the warehouse, might be someone at the oil patch. Wherever you are, and you're trying to get ahead of that guy, the sales dude, you might have done something sneaky and creepy actually to.
Bring him down.
And when you're this competitive, I don't think it's impossible.
Rich, It's improbable that it happened.
Isn't it The plotlight of every dumb comedy, Like the bad guy tries to get in the way of the good guy, like, Oh, he's stuck in traffic, or oh, don't let him get to the conference. I'm just saying, it's not want to drink. There's not something crazy, it's not wild thought.
But hey, last night.
Do you think that anybody to piggyback your dumb thought here? Do you think anybody on the flip side is like I wish he wasn't playing because their health is a concern, or we passed that kind of like the Jordan Fleu game. No one was really like Jordan's stay away. I'm just saying, yesterday was a biggie. We talked about it.
I'm never the guy, that's like told yoursel But okayse was favored by six yesterday and I remember saying, like, not so fast.
This game is in Denver. I know, OKC.
Yesterday in Vegas they were still the odds on favorite to win the NBA title.
I don't know what that looks like today. I know.
The Nicks and the Tea Wolves are but were both plus six hundred. But yesterday they had, okay, see at minus one forty. I think when you go to a game seven, those odds have been adjusted. But forget that series. Let's go to New York City tonight.
Well you know who I wouldn't put this passed by the way to wrap up your previous thought, Rudy Gobert, because I think he's yet to get everybody with his germs.
Yeah, he is the guy that spread COVID if you remember that's true.
Hey, Brie, I was saying, but my crazy is I mean, you could look me in the eyes and say it's a dumb thought, but you don't think players are trying to get the edge.
It is, but it's not impossible.
Seems like too much biomedical, Like you get the timing of it. You know it's not gonna play out the way you want. Probably you're like, I'm gonna cough on this guy in game one. In my game three, he'll be ill and he'll be missing the game.
You've heard times where it's like, yeah, the clubhouse, like half the team's you know, not feeling well. You've heard that in sports, like something goes through the locker room or clubhouse.
I heard that, Bree, you wanted to produce our show for Dan Patrick on this main stage show. She's the one that got Danny g sick today on purpose and it started like two days ago. Yeah, she set him up for it. It's not impossible, it's improbable. So funny thought though, because people are willing to take all sorts of risks for that edge.
No doubt.
So let's go to tonight Madison Square Garden. The Knicks cannot under any circumstances. Let this series go back to Boston for a Game seven. And I can only compare it to you know, I'm a Mets fan from New York, but I'm gonna go back to when I was a little boy, when I was my kid's age, when when I was For the record, he's just a man boy right now.
Yea. Now I'm a man boy. Now he's a grown man boy.
My daughter often asked me, Dad, when was the last time the Mets won the championship? And I reluctantly say, you know, your little brother who's five six years old. When I was his age, that's when the Mets won nineteen eighty six. I was in kindergarten.
But I do remember, just from the highlights and knowledge, the Mets were playing the Astros in the NLCS, and that was the year Mike Scott was untouchable.
This is the Kevin bass on that squad. Was on that squad.
Oh do you remember there were speculation he knows Mike Scott scuffing the ball like he's unhittable.
I do.
The Mets were gonna have to face him in game seven. Squad, Yeah, that was a big squad man. That Astros team was good, but they were gonna have to face Mike Scott in a game seven. So when they were in extra innings in Game six, there was a pressure of like, yo, you gotta win now, Mets, because if you face Mike Scott in game seven, I don't know if you could beat him. And I feel that way tonight about the New York Knicks. If you want to talk New York Sports out. My buddy's already reached out to me. Got a few East Coast friends out here in LA and I'm like, dude, what are we doing for the game tonight? I'm like, well, I'm waking up really for you, Dan Patrick, So I might be taking a nap later, but yeah, we got to get together, got.
To do something. So much on the line.
Might be the biggest night in a long time for New York sports with the Yankees, Mets going on tonight and of course the Knicks. But Rich, I think what brings the Celtics closer together, why they're so scary is because they don't They don't.
Have Jason Tatum, and I feel.
That forces everybody to step up and play harder, and they have a chip on their shoulder as a result. I'll give you a work analogy. Let's say it's the Covino and Rich Show. We've been doing this forever, Covino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio for plus years, right, but we've been working together. If Rich out of nowhere is a caveno, I can't make it. It's not that there's extra pressure on me. But I know, deep down, subconsciously, well, Rich isn't here, now, I really got to bring it.
You're making down or you're making up for something lost.
I'm trying to overcompensate because Rich isn't here, So you know what, I'm doing extra effort.
Man, I'm really going to bring it today.
You know, I'm also subconsciously going to say I'm a show everybody I don't need this guy. What yeah, I mean subconsciously, bro, Yeah, yeah, I'm not like walking around telling everybody but I.
Don't need this and I want everybody to know. No, man a full of great.
Energy and look out, Celtics, it's the Coveno Show.
I mean, but Rich'll be back tomorrow.
But seriously, subconsciously, all these things are going on and you're putting extra effort into that to show that the whole team and the whole process doesn't revolve around one guy. And I think they band together just to prove that, Like, yo, it's not just the Jason Tatums show. We're great. We're great with him, but we're great without him too. We're gonna show that. That's why you don't want to take any chances. That's why the Knicks have to stomp on them tonight. Because you're right, then it does get a little scary. Well to quote your hero as a child mc hammer gaining momentum, you don't want anyone. He also said, look at my eyes, man, you can't touch this. I think if you go back to Boston your toast. I just can't see how you're right with the with the Tatum stuff going back to Boston.
You got to.
Finish this tonight, which is why I think it's the most important home game and the most important event at Madison Square Garden. But trust me, there's another theory here in the twenty first century. Here's I agree. I hate agreeing with you.
What's the other answer going to be? Billy Joel's the show. I'm a big Billy Joel fan. What the circus Ringling Brothers when it comes to town.
Yeah, when Gun through Gable Williams was was taming tigers and lions, there's no.
Big fights at the garden like there were when our parents were younger.
The Rangers haven't won a Stanley Cup since nineteen ninety four, and before that, I remember nineteen forty, So.
Tonight we're reminded why it's the world's most famous arena, no diggity, no doubt. The last big event there was the Dice Man selling out.
I mean maybe like a big East tournament.
Yukon or Qus back in the day did something, But I'm talking about the mecca.
Madison Square Garden. Is tonight the biggest game. Yes, since the.
Year two thousand?
Can you hit that high note? Since the year two thousand? Man, you did that so early. Thank you, sir, Thank you bringing that conan energy.
Iowa Sam on the ones and twos again, Breeze on the phones eight seven seven ninety nine.
Ohs, Fox, don't be scarred.
Hit us up and let's chop it up, especially when we're giving away prizes. But Rich, there's another theory as to why you don't want to go back to Boston. And let's not forget the New York Boston rivalry as a city, forget about the team just as a city. It's so big and so fun. I call it the duel for Johnny theory. Although the team wants to step up minus Tatum, they also want to like rally around this something to rally around is scary, and I called the duel for Johnny theory from the movie The Outsiders. You know, they were rumbling, they were ready to win, and when they're doing it for someone else, I think that's when people play big. And I know that sounds corny, but people get together and like, nah, man, we got you. They're telling Tatum, we got you. We're gonna do it for Jason, do it for Johnny. When you throw more factors into the mix like that, you really see people step up in different ways. It's also to tie it to sports, the Brett Favre theory where he had his biggest game on his toughest night because he was doing it for his dad who passed away. Now I'm not saying, you know, Tatum's never coming back, but it's reason to play, for reason to rally around. I don't think you want to let another team who has all this going for them, this bonding moment. You don't want to let them gain momentum like you said, so that nade me said Brett Favre. Yeah, use it a couple more times because in four days, far far, far far, because saying four days.
The world is gonna hate him fly that documentary.
I mean a lot of people hate him on what I'm saying, I think everyone's gonna hate him.
In four days.
There's a documentary coming out on Netflix, and it did points out everything to make this guy awful. You bring up people, rallying around people. I think you don't want to admit it. As a Yankees fan, it's gonna be tough for you guys to win the World Series this year without Gert Cole.
However, if you go back a couple.
Of years, in twenty twenty one, the Atlanta Braves won the World Series despite Ronald Acuna Junior being hurt at a pivotal point in missing the season. Sometimes losing a key player actually makes the team better. It sounds crazy and ridiculous, but losing Jan Soto, for example, really did make the Yankees lineup better, forced them to make other moves. Other players had to step up. You're a more well rounded team as opposed to relying on one player or expecting one player to bring it. So, if the Celtics are able to rally around this, yeah, they're a dangerous squad still and you're seeing it. So it puts that much pressure on what the Knicks have to do, which is win at home, and it brings again the question up, is this the biggest night at the Garden in the twenty first century, that's really the year.
Two thousand, because when you think about what Dane Cook selling out the Garden Sebastian menascalco, Hey, yea.
I sold out ten dimes. Why would you do that? I think he sold ten nights out. I'm telling you Didney play like ten shows in the car. Since the year two.
Thousand Conan O'Brien's style, there hasn't been a There hasn't been an event of this magnitude at the Garden because everything you think of, whether it was a big fight night, all those although I remember the last time was electric sports Relatedlyn sanity, Lin sanity, Yeah, because we lived it rich and I we live in LA We're live from the barrios of the West Side right now, but we're lying from the mean streets of LA. We're in the valley of chirman Oaks. Nothing mean about cherman Oaks. Everybody koboke loco. So we live in LA now, but we're from the East coast.
And not even just a garden, just the city itself was electric Boogie Yuggy Yuggy. When insanity was going on, that's how real it was, like, it really was a huge moment. It may have been a passing fleeting two weeks for you. You're like, yeah, I remember that. I mean those documentaries you've seen about Linsanity was real and the garden was rocking the way it should be when that happened. That was insane. I hate to say it. I'm sorry, Lindsaye. I hate to say it because you know, we are New Yorkers originally, you know, we're original New Yorkers. I mean, I'm ready to be technical. I'm a joysy boy in my golfeet, but here you grow up. New York's your backyard, your playground, and where we worked. But I see you're you're a Jersey guy. I'm actually a New Yorker. And I look at it and say, other than a stand up comedy special and insanity, maybe the debut of Carmelo Anthony because he was like a hometown guy and people loved him.
Agreeing with this guy.
But Rich is right, he didn't really win with the Knicks the way they wanted him to or we expected. But we were there for his debut and it was electric.
We were there.
It was one of the few times he went to a big game like that, and I remember everybody was super pumped about it.
So the nose bleeds tonight, Seat Geeks, stub Hub, all your sites.
Eight hun though for like a you know, a high up. But then again, it's a garden. It's not that big. But eight hundred bucks for what you would call the nosebleed, So yeah, get.
That's take it.
Oh, I don't know, eight hundred for a nose bleed. Yeah, i'd you gotta run that one by the wife. He maybe, maybe, Honey, I'm gonna be sitting after after you buy it, of course, sitting behind the Billy Joel sign in the rafters. Eight hundred your thoughts is tonight the biggest event at the Garden in the twenty first century. I'm trying to think of something bigger than that, because again, tonight is going to be electric, It's going to be what New York's supposed to be the world's most famous arena. You have to factor in the fans tonight, the intimidation factor. It's going to be loud, home court advantage will be in a fact, at least you hope the stars will.
Be you say, intimidating fans. Are you talking about the mean mug from Ben Stiller.
I'm talking Timothy Shallow, a mean mug in Celtics tonight with his work boots on. So yeah, the stars will be out. You'll be watching, and if anything, I'd love to hear from you. But if anything, if you don't have a horse in the race, we gave you reason to watch tonight. You know what, Tim in Vermont, We'll start with him. Tim biggest event, biggest event at the garden.
I don't know about the biggest events being this because you guys thinking about the concert for nine to eleven in the twenty first century, you communists.
You know.
I remember I worked at I worked at Z one hundred in New York at that time, and they had jingle Ball three months after nine to eleven, and they had FDN Y and NYPD walking around the garden And.
You mean you were there and you forgot. I was shamed. Yeah, but that was just more sentimental.
I was there and Rich introduced the Backstreet voice that it's possible.
Ladies and gentlemen, Well that to make some noise for Backstreet. No boy, it's from the Backstreet. Do you remember that song the Backstreet Boy.
I was saying, I don't know how quick you were on the punch, But do you remember that song Superman by five for fighting? Of course, by the way, five for fighting got his name, that's the penalty and hockey five minutes for fighting. That song played at Madison Square Garden while FDN Y and NYPD walked around with candles.
Canch dance.
I was wondering where that voice was coming from. I forgot spots on a new part of the studio. Now he's out of sight, the disembodied voice coming. Don't play the song, let's spot sing it. Spot. You remember that there? Man, don't I know? We have this library of music with the cloud burden there. Thank you Scout. I my god. I know it's a sentimental moment, but that song is misery.
But that was a sentben the moment, but biggest moment tonight Medson Square gards related. Absolutely, let's go all right, listen, we got more Kaleen on Ritch coming up for the Great Dan Patrick
