The Dan Patrick ShowNBA Hall of Famer Ray Allen talks about the Celtics' strategy against the Knicks and shares a story about borrowing shoes from Michael Jordan in a freezing United Center. Actor Vince Vaughn previews his new Netflix film "Nonnas," and discusses what it's like being a Chicago sports fan. Plus, Director Spike Lee joins Dan to celebrate his Knicks' success thus far this postseason.
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Ray Allen, Hall of Famer and two time NBA champ joining us on the program. You put up all those numbers in Seattle. You spent five years in Seattle?
Correct?
Yep?
Okay, are those numbers now attached to the Oklahoma City Thunder since the SuperSonics went to Oka?
See?
Like, could your jersey number be retired by OKAC based off what you did in Seattle?
Technically I think it could be, but I think for tradition speaking, you know, typically you raise a banner or jersey in a place that is kind of familiar to that city. And nobody in Oklahoma City really had ever watched me play in that city, so I don't think.
And it's a ownership mandate as well, so I don't think that would ever happen.
Is there a building where your jersey is up in the rafters in Seattle?
Yeah?
In Ky Arena, Okay, it would, I would say, possibly, But it's Key Arena.
I don't think. I don't even know they use it for anymore.
Okay, here's a couple of things I'm going to talk to you about. The Celtics. Keep shooting threes the other night. Yeah, now you had a game I think you went over thirteen from three point range. But as a great shooter, you're told to keep shooting. But at what point do you stop shooting threes if you're the Celtics the other night, or do you stop shooting threes?
Well, the other night, I think the Celtics shot sixty threes, and they were shooting them at points when the Knicks kept kind of plugging them away. And they're plugging away and they're playing, they're playing tougher, they're getting tougher buckets.
The next word.
Obviously Brussels getting so many mid range shots, so he had a great offensive rhythm. I don't think the Celtics ever built their rhythm offensively. Now they take a lot of threes early and they take them throughout the game and when they're going because you got multiple guys that shoot threes and shoot them well. But if you never build a rhythm, you know, get into the basket, getting to the free throw line, to the mid range game. That's kind of where there was a hole in that game for the Celtics other night. So to answer your question, they got to figure out getting some easy buckets, you know, just kind of establishing rhythm as opposed to just kind of let the fly consistent. Because it's the playoffs, it changes a lot because now those shots become smaller opportunities and they're shooting quicker, and it's important for them to try to figure out a way to get some rhythm stuff start in the game.
Early.
Yeah, I just thought, you know, go inside, get fouled, go to the free throw line, get like, let's break up all this and just get something there. That's what was surprising. But the analytics say, I think to keep shoot the threes, don't.
They well, obviously, because threes are more than two's and that's what everybody says. You keep shooting them, and they've been highly successful at it.
So it's hard.
To stop what you've been doing and what's made you successful this whole year. But you have to take into account that the game does slow down a little bit more in the playoffs, and you're putting so much pressure on Tatum. He makes a lot of tough threes. Jalen went to the basket and got a layup at one point during that fourth quarter, and I was like, Okay, that's steady. The offense a little bit, and you see them and you want them to drive because you look at the Knicks defense. You know there's a lot of holes in their defense if you just drive. There's a couple of times where even Derek White had the ball in the paint and he the basket was behind them and he's looking out towards the Berman as supposed to just turn around and get something easy, and it is hopefully. You know, they'll look at the film and you know, I'm sure Missoula will say, these are just shots.
That we missed.
You know, we're all capable of making these shots. But to make it easier on yourself, you know, it's hard in a playoff situation because you know you could make those shots. So I just think to start the game tonight, they had to make sure that they get to the free throw line early and establish something in the paint from the standpoint of driving and getting some easy stuff. Because as a shooter, I'll tell you I did not want to start a game shooting at three because if you miss, then you start pressing, and then you start pressing. I didn't want to have to feel like I was pressing. In Boston, we had so many good players that score, so I want to make sure I got to the basket early if I could.
Talking to Ray Allen, former three point Shooting Contest winner back in two thousand and one, do you practice missing free throws? We saw that with Tyrese Halliburton, because you know he's got to miss the free throw, but you got to miss it correctly to get a chance. Do you practice missing free throws?
Well, I mean it sounds funny, but you know how to miss h and it's just kind of being off and obviously you're looking to who your best rebounder is on what side. So yeah, there is some precision to being able to miss a free throw.
Uh.
I can't say that I practiced it, Uh, but I definitely know how to aim up there and get it to bounce on one side or the other.
Well, you did practice making them, though. You did a really good job at that.
I did. I did.
I was pretty good at it.
Yeah, but I never understood that.
Explain to me what happens when guys go to the free throw line and all of a sudden, they they free You know, they they're it's not fluid. They like everything slows, you know, it stops maybe that's what it is. Guys you used to moving, all of a sudden it stops. But the mind games that go on with these guys who can't shoot free.
Throws, well, it's simpler when you think about golf. When you stand to the t box and they call your name and they say where you're from exactly, and all of a sudden they everybody's quiet. I was like, keep making noise uncomfortable to know, you know, don't be quiet. I think what people and I say this a lot with free throws. People don't understand how emotional a free throw is. You know, when you think about a guy going to the free throw line, and emotions don't always mean anger, but your your adrenaline is pumping. You just got knocked on your butt. You know you're either down to or you're up to. You just dunked on somebody. All these emotions are inside of you, and for most players, imagine a situation in practice where you practice those emotions. It's hard to practice feeling competitive, to practice feeling angry, to practice feeling anxious, practice feeling desperate. How do you do that in the gym by yourself? And so you have to figure out a way when you practice to take that that quiet gym and make yourself tired, make yourself mad, make yourself excited, because that feeling you have to get used to in a game and a lot of time. Then when they get into a game situation, it's a foreign situation for them when they go to that free throw line, because think about you take somebody life like Pritchard. You know, Gray Shooter had a great year, but how often is he at the free throw line in the fourth quarter if it's not Tatum or Brown? So now he goes to the free throw line because it gets out is Sometimes it's a foreign circumstance or situation for a lot of players, and that's why you do get nervous because it's like, I'm not used to this, and I gotta get used to.
I got to I gotta be better at figuring out the situation.
One thing that drives me crazy, and I'm sure I drive my audience crazy because I bring it up all the time. I never want the best player to beat me. Never. I'm always going to send another guy. I got to get the ball out of your hands. I want somebody who's not used to taking that shot. And if that guy beats me. I live with that. It's like, you know, when Jordan beats Brian Russell, they don't send another guy and guy got it get the ball out of his hands, right, Like, I don't help me understand that. If Jalen Brunson has the ball, I'm gonna double I'm gonna get the ball out of his hands.
I have to do that. But why don't more coaches do that?
Well?
I think it's a double airt sword because when you want you don't want the best player to beat you. There's some scenarios, some playoff situations you kind of walk into and you say, he's gonna get his forty, but we can't let these other guys get off, you know. So it is each situation from from series to series. You know, what are you dealing with? Like if you look at Indiana, you got Nessmith that had twenty three, and Turner had twenty three and nim Hard had thirteen.
And this is the last shot though, this is the last shot. That's all I'm talking about. Even Halliburton has the ball, that's the guy I know who wants the ball. I have to send another guy his way. I'm not gonna let him beat me and they gave him. You know, he created space. It was a tough shot though, but he but he's only he's got single coverage on it.
Yeah, I mean it's always we can be perfect defensively as a as a scheme, you know, going to the game, but we always say good offense, better defense, or good defense better offense.
I'm sorry, We're.
Playing a scheme a certain way and then a guy makes a tough shot over the top of us. We have to shake their head because this league is fulled filled with great offensive players, so they can, like I said, it can go either way. You know, we'll run to at a guy because he got hot. Saif a guy has forty plus, you know, I don't know. Halliburton only had nineteen points last night, so it wasn't like he was cooking.
But he's a closer.
Yeah, But you just.
Kind of you live with those odds because if you look at defenses and you look at all these playoff games, the one thing that you find fascinating is there's there's no paint presence. Last night, I don't know who, I don't remember. It was Draymond Green. He came straight down the lane and dunked it, and there was no awareness.
From Minnesota whatsoever.
And that's the one thing in playoff basketball that you kind of you know, you fortify your defense with a paint presence and you work from inside out. And you see that consistently because you know so many teams are shooting threes. And then you look at the ball the way the ball bounced, you know, against against with the Golden State, and you see how many rebounds they got. In Minnesota's the bigger team, you know, you think about how many rebounds they didn't get. Go Bear had eleven and I think Anthony had fourteen or somewhere around there. But those balls are bounding so long, so spreading the defense out, and then you're trying to figure out what we try to do. On most teams I played on, we tried to keep our big guy in the paint. You know, we rotated with playing man the man, so if it was myself and KG, I tried to stay up top and he stayed low so if somebody did drive, they had to see him. And right now you just don't see that that fortification of the painting. There's so many holes right now in their defense. So that's ultimately a system where it's built around team shooting threes.
What's your favorite pair of shoes behind you?
My favorite pair, I would have to go up. I'd have to go up one, two, three, four. If I can show you.
Oh my goodness, you got a whole wall, this one right here?
Okay, number four? So those are how many of those are air Jordan's.
They're one through thirty, one through thirty.
You might sign any shoes that you have.
No, you wouldn't ask him. I have it, like I have a jersey he is hanging on my wall and I played golf with him regularly. I wouldn't ask them, but I think at some point I should here in the future, just just for keepsake, just having momentum. And I know he would if I asked him. But but I thought about it, but I haven't done it yet.
Okay, But if you have them in the back of the golf cart and then you know Mike probably sees them, and then you go, oh god, yeah, sorry, I thought I was going to leave these in the car. Uh, And then you have a sharpie attached to it. Then all of a sudden, see that I'm a vet right here. DP that's like the rookie move to do that. If somebody did that to me, I'd be looking at I'm like, really really do Okay, left it with the sharpie on the on taped up to it. Okay, what if you send somebody you guys, guys used to do this where you'd send the clubhouse guy over to get something signed by somebody in the other locker room.
Right, okay, did that?
Did it?
I'll tell you a story. One time when I was playing in Milwaukee. I was always early and the bus wasn't there yet, so I took the cab over and I'm sitting in the locker room. So our equipment manager didn't get our gear out yet. So I'm sitting in the locker room and I'm antsy trying to get on the court. And you know, the United senter was always freezing, so you wanted to come like bundled. So I'm sitting there and the equipment guy from the Bulls comes to the locker room. He goes, you guys didn't get here yet. I said, no, they're not here. I'm just waiting on him. He goes, Mike's on the other side. You know, he has some stuff. Maybe you want to ask him. And I was like really, and He's like, yeah, but you got to ask him. You got to go in there and ask him. And you know, this was probably like three years in the league. And I'm like, ask, go over there and ask. I was like, can you ask for me? He goes, no, you got to ask me. And so I went in there and I was like, Mike, you think I could borrow a pair of shoes And I'm already wearing the shoes anyway, I'm under contract.
And He's like, sure, kid, you know.
And in the hall, I walked in the cabinet full of Jordan's just like all the way down and there are.
Where are those shoes?
I don't know, there's somewhere floating. I got so many shoes like tucked everywhere.
Uh.
We brought this up yesterday.
The Hall of very Good, like the guys that you played against or with, like Jamal Crawford in the Hall of very Good. Not a Hall of Famer, but you know hall of very good. Who would you put in there? Maybe you played against, you know, contemporaries where you go. That guy should be in the Hall of very Good. Not a Hall of Famer, but Hall of very good uh that.
I played with.
I would definitely say two players that just you know, one in particular that would kill the game today is Then Baker.
Okay, he just he was around the basket.
I didn't think anybody could stop him, and he still could shoot, you know, in the from he would be really good in today's game. And obviously, you know, these are two guys that I played with my rookie year in Glenn Robinson and you know, arguably one of the greatest college players of all time.
And I think they don't get their their uh their credit, but they.
Were incredible scores and and when I watched then nobody could stop them, you know. So they were good and they just ended up not being on teams once they left the walk people, but they had any any symblus of success. But I thought they were incredible and and so you look at the game today, we don't have those you know, you talk about those mid range players, those pick great pick and roll players. Uh, think about Terrell Brandon. He was dubbed best point guard in the world. Sports illustrated like this he was he was split a pick and roll. His mid range game he was automatic, and I learned a lot from him. You know, just playing with those three guys helped my game tremendously.
Uh.
And we don't have that that skill level right now in the NBA because of the overuse of the three ball.
Yeah, I still keep I can't get it out of my mind that you're wearing Michael Jordan's shoes playing against Michael Jordan.
Well, just remember my second game in the NBA. My first game was Minnesota Timberwolves a preseason and the second one and I seen the schedule. So I was still in my college apartment when I got the schedule in October fifteenth, nineteen ninety three, Chicago Bulls United Center, and I'm sitting there. I still got poster him on my wall right here in my room, and I'm like, I'm about to play against Michael Jordan. So I'm wearing his shoes on October fifteen. I'm stretching and then I hear the whole introduction, and you know, I'm used to being on the other side looking at the TV watching all this stuff happen, and now I'm like, wow, this is so crazy. I'm inside the TV right now. And then I'm sitting here on the ground, stretching and I'm doing this and I'm just kind of and I see the bulls run out and he's the last one, and I couldn't believe it, you know, just as much as I've watched him and kind of like study this game and he's kind of he was such a big role model, and then being on the same floor with him, it was just unbelievable.
Did he talk trash dude?
No, But at jump Bald he walks over to me and he said, welcome to the NBA. Ray, like, you just don't understand, like this man he's you know, to be great, you also have to be intelligent. You know, you can't walk around and be oblivious.
To the things around you.
So he knows everybody who's playing against you, study your opponents, you watch the draft. You know who's young and come into the league. And so as us young players, we're so naive to that idea. You start to realize how much you have to immerse yourself in this game and you have to know every player in the league. You can't just think that, oh, I'm the best player, I don't care about anybody. You really have to study this game and who's in it.
What's on your shirt, Jesus shooting a jumper.
That's not Jesus Shuttlesworth, that's Jesus. I don't know about Jesus form though.
Ray, Yeah, this one a we got. We'll work with him. We'll give him a pass. We definitely will give him a pass.
Thank you, Ray, Good to talk to you again. That's righting.
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Vince Vaughn actor, producer, director, writer, comedian new Netflix film Nona's and It'll come out tomorrow on Netflix. So he plays a guy who opens up an Italian restaurant and features local grandmothers. He just lost his mother and he brings them in. So you got Lorraine Broco, Rendo Vicaro, Susan Sarandon, Talia Shire, they play the nonahs, and you got Vince Vaughn who's running the restaurant. Vince joins us on the program, ho'd you decide on this or come across this idea?
How you doing?
Dan?
Good to be with you?
You know I got the script that the director Stephen Schabowski directed that movie Wonder, which I really liked, And when I saw the script and read it and knew it was based on a true story, I just thought it was very unique. You know, this guy opens a restaurant for these older women that have been a little forgotten or maybe not given as much opportunities to be productive, and he was mourning the loss of his own family members, so in a way, he was trying to create family connection. And I thought the story was just very moving, and the meeting the guy he was so refreshing because it was really about giving these known as this opportunity. More than he had a business plan, more than he was looking to expand it. He was really just sort of looking to create great nights, great atmospheres in this restaurant.
I'm guessing laughs, but I'm gas seeing maybe some tears in this.
You're not wrong, as.
Always, Patrick, you're right there near the bullseye.
Do you try.
Yeah, there's definitely some comedy in it, but but it's a it's you know, it's it's it's it's a feel good, I would say, But it definitely deals with with sort of you.
Know, mourning, all right, but you know you're gonna provide it'll be lighthearted as well. I just want to make sure that you know, I'm prepared for this. I want to go in knowing kind of what the parameters are emotionally.
Yeah, you know, there's definitely some laughs.
The actresses are phenomenal, the all the the great actors that you that you mentioned are terrific, and they all really shine in the movie. And the double has got good chemistry. It's fun the movie. You know, this director is very good. Did you see wonder I did not? Yeah, well you got one on the list. There's a few, and now you got another one, all right, and he's very good.
He's very good.
I I was in a movie with Susan Sarandon.
That's that's correct.
Did you know it's very nice?
She's a lovely lady. Did you a very lovely lady? I know she is, but did you know I was, like I'd like say, co starred. But I was in a movie with Susan Sarandon?
Which which which movie?
That's my boy? Did you see it?
Is that am with Sandler?
Yeah?
Fantastic.
I was so good. You probably didn't know it was me.
But you're dazzled a few times. Well you dazzled a few times.
I know, how do you How do friends politely ask you to be in a movie?
There is there an approach.
I mean I have had that happen to me where people it's it's challenging, but it depends.
You know, most people. Sometimes people are.
Just like looking to get their movie made, and so they're just sort of like in this mode where they're kind of just going for I mean, if it's a very close friend, obviously I'll take it seriously. But if it's kind of an acquaintance, it's an awkward experience. I'm sure you get that in versions of that as well.
I do.
And I've tried to reach out to Will Ferrell, and I don't know how to do it, to say I kind of like to be in a movie. So I basically called him out on radio, but I haven't I've got radio silence here from him. I haven't heard back from Oh, it didn't go well, it did not go well.
It didn't go well. Well.
You know what I think it bow that it's out there can only get better from heal. The healing is going to start because you've addressed it.
Well.
He did say that I belonged to Sandler, and I said, look, I'm willing to see other feelings. I'm willing to see other people. You know, behind Sandler's back, that's hurt feelings.
He was carrying his own conversation you weren't aware of, and that makes sense. Then maybe he felt maybe he felt a little shudened. So I think sunlight is always a great remedy. So I don't think there's anything bad that can come out of this conversation between two friends. And I wouldn't be shocked to see you and him doing something and maybe Adam in it as well.
Well.
I did say to Sandler, a, you know, maybe get Will Ferrell in a movie. Then therefore I can then be around Will again and then I can pitch something. But you know, maybe maybe maybe there's a sequel there to one of the movies that he was in. And I keep hearing that you have.
A hat trick, You have the hat trick of the three of you.
Yeah, yeah, great Dodgeball two rumblings.
There's been rumbling.
Yeah, I think there's a script that's actually you know, an idea that's pretty good. So you know, you're always with all these ones, there's always the want, but you really want the story to stand on its own, but I do think the Dodgeball one's a pretty good idea. I just did a movie for for Fox called Mike Nick Nick and Alis with Marsden with James Marshen, which is a kind of an action comedy, and so you never know, maybe, well, why is it Bad Monkey. I'm going to do Bad Monkey next here, starting in September the second season of the Apple Show, so it'll be a little ways away if it's something that materializes.
I like the character in Bad Monkey.
Yeah, it's a fun. Bill Lawrence is great, as you know. I love Bill and that was fun. Good, good group.
Talking to Vince Vaughan the new Netflix film it's known as and it comes out tomorrow, where Vince plays the owner of an Italian restaurant and he's lost his mother so he brings in local grandmothers and Lorraine Brocco, Renda Viccarro, Susan Sarandon, and Talia Shire. How's your sports teams in Chicago?
What do you think of this draft? It's it's unknowing at this point, right. Did you like the did you like the tight end?
Did you like?
Yeah?
Loved one that there in the first you did.
Yeah, yeah, theurgain. I thought that he was good.
And uh, I thought the Bears were going to be a playoff team last year. So I'm gonna double down and say they're going to be a playoff team this year.
You know, as they when you look at it, they lost a handful of games, all in heartbreak style. And I got to share Dan, it's been a tough recruit to get my son on board handles. So there was a there was a pivotal moment in this experiment where we were watching the Redskins game and the Bears were obviously winning, with the game looking like it was in hand, and some desperation, and when that tip happened and the Redskins caught the ball, you had. You had a ten year old boy go straight to his room. He was upset and he stayed there. So I figured, well, how do I handle this. I'll let him kind of write it out, so I would say good. Thirty five forty minutes he came down and he had gathered his emotions and his thoughts and he was prepared. He had a statement to say, he had something to share, and he said, I can't trust this team.
That's what he said to me, I cannot trust this team.
I said, well, you're not wrong right now, I said, but you know, it hasn't been a great run as of late. But I said it'll be. That makes it, you know, all the better when they get there. But it's been a challenging recruiting process.
Yeah, but can he bail on the Bears? Would you allow him?
Yeah? I would, I would.
I mean he does root for a lot of the long ageless teams, but he does for the Bears. But I think that's right. You got to let them have their own experience. So you know what happened. I don't know if you experienced this. Sometimes they like to root against if you're rooting for a team, they enjoy going for the opposite team, even with no connection to the team whatsoever, just to be contrary.
And did you ever have that with your kids?
I let them pick if they wanted it.
And my son became a Boston Red Sox fan and a Green Bay Packer fan.
And I didn't guide him.
In fact, he came home he was really young and he said, I've decided on my baseball team because we live in an area where you're where you're a Yankee fan or a Red Sox fan. So he says, I've decided on my team, and you know, made a proclamation to the family, and I go, okay, what's it going to be?
He goes Red Sox. I go okay. I go out and buy him some gear. Get him a hat, that's great, get him a jacket.
He wears the hat to school and the Yankee fans grabbed it, put it in the urinal and pete on it.
Yeah. Oh, dear, Well he learned about commitment, didn't he.
Well, my wife goes.
It wasn't. It wasn't an easy choice given the location. You've got to respect kid.
My my wife couldn't understand it. And I said, no, Hunt, now you understand the rivalry, and yeah, so you know it was all tea team.
All that New York Boston rivalry take place after the basketball game last night, right.
Oh my god, wild crazy.
But do you go to many like if you go to New York or you go to the Lakers. Do you go to Knicks games or Laker games?
I had I went to a Lakers game this year.
I like what Rob Plink has done with the team, and I like to go to the Garden.
Who doesn't.
So, yes, I've gone to both, but I was back and forth working quite a bit this last year.
But I do.
I do enjoy going to UH, I go to any I really like going to different stadiums and going to see different teams, and you have the time. I enjoy going. Where's your favorite place to watch a game any sport?
Home?
Oh? You prefer being home? You don't like it, you can't deal with the crowds. Yeah, I get it, you like it's the replay.
I just it's just easier for me to do my job because I don't have the fan experience anymore.
I don't root.
Therefore, the best place for me to watch a game and still do my job is home.
Yeah. No, I get that, especially as one. Yeah, I understand.
Is there a storyline or a team or a fan recently that's kind of won you over and made you a fan or that you were rooting to.
Do well just because you enjoyed the storyline.
I think the Lions. I enjoy that storyline. It's sort of the football equivalent of the Cubs, and I think that's the next great story. But as you know, it's all about the story. You can have everything in place. But you know, Spike Lee once said to me, in fact, this was when the Red Sox came back and beat the Yankees. He said, this is what I love about sports. It's unscripted. Like you can't script certain sporting events. It just happens, and that's what makes it so magical.
Well, that's one hundred percent right.
You have all the emotions and desires and it plays out in that moment. That's why live sports is still you know, the calling for everyone to gather.
It's still very cultural. And I agree with that.
And you know, as a Bears fan, I've been happy to see the Lions do well, you know, the gamble, the coach and obviously the story with golf has been great and that whole team. It was surprising the way it ended this year. I was not expecting that.
If so, you were probably thirteen or fourteen when the Bears won the Super Bowl.
I was yeah, okay, yeah, okay, So you're you're.
Delivered that you have got Billy Simms. Highlight, by the way, one of the great highlights with him running on the face mask.
Of defenders he jumped him.
Right, Remember Billy Simms. They would always cut to him, and he sort of got traction and sort of ran over I think a couple of players. I literally ran on top of him. That's it's an odd reference. But I was a big Billy Simms fan.
But but you're you're a little older than what your son is now. He just needs to capture that magic that you had to make that put up with.
All of this.
The tragedy was when the Cubs won, which as you know, was like no one could believe it one hundred years. So I had taken them. I had taken them back to Chicago for the World Series. I was I sang at the seventh inning stretch for one of the games. So I brought both of my kids and it was not The impact on them was not what one would expect. You know, they had no reference point, They had no suffering, and so it was like, come the sixth inning, it could have been any game.
They were very young, they were very tired.
My idea of what my idea of what this experience would be like did not translate in the moment.
Did you try?
So they got that.
I had a little spoil with the Blackhawks because they definitely won some Cups when they were young, yeah.
So you know, but yeah, they like they do, like the we'll go to some Kings game.
They route for the Kings too, They like, uh he roots for the local teams. And my daughter they they're root for the Rams or the Chargers.
So they haven't I haven't had that.
It's like you got that that letter of declaration for like a college to declare, we haven't got I haven't gotten one singular one yet.
Did you cry when the Cubs won?
Do you know what I saw? And I was with a bunch of people, and it was a strange feeling. I don't know that if I cried, But it was more of a somber release than it was a jumping for joy. It was a you couldn't believe it, you know, especially given what we just had gone through, you know, the last time we were close with you know, the whole thing with the fan reaching for the ball, it was like you just couldn't. Now that you're in game seven, you were just waiting and the and the you know, the tragedy of that. My dad's from Ohio, and the tragedy of that is the one team you beat is the is the Indians, who are the other team that you would you would want to see get past that moment. So it made it even you know, if you would have beaten the perennial powerhouse that always won. And don't get me wrong, I was thrilled that we won, but in being a Cubs fan and suffering for so long, it wasn't lost on me that we were beating another team with a similar legacy.
You would have preferred the Yankees.
I can't say it was perfect the way it happened, but it would have been easier. I think it was just strange, isn't it. I Mean, here's the you know, Cleveland, which you know obviously it's just a crazy like someone's going to break a streak. So it was it was just a weird pairing. And now it's game seven. So yeah, it was definitely more of a sigh of relief. Was I thrilled, absolutely, but you're right it was more that than I was, you know, kind of high fiving. It was definitely, you know, more of a release than it was just to you know, jump up and down.
Will I be in known as two.
Interest Anon as too and your dance card is available and as long as Adam knows about it, I think it's gott to we share it with him than not. Then I would say that if this was the old magic eight ball, it says chances.
Are good, there's breaking news. If there isn't known as two, I will be in it.
Yeah, if there's a notus two, we'll definitely have you in it. You could come to the restaurant and enjoy something. I see that happening.
Okay, I like that, and now I don't and.
I like that, and the other gentleman should know that. That's healthy. That's how you do it.
You don't bring baggage, you don't bring hurt.
This is how this is how gentlemen moved forward with with with class.
Yeah, we're just grown ups, that's all this is. I'm I'm here, that thought is Yeah, it's quid pro quot. I help you, you help me. We're buddies. Let's have front fun, break bread. I'll reunite with surrender. But you do it. Yeah, absolutely, good luck with it. Great to talk to you again, Vince, Thanks for joining us.
Always great to talk to you. Dan, be well, Vince Bawn.
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Cavs are three point favorites against the Pacers tonight, Thunder five point favorites at the Nuggets, the Celtics five point favorites against the Knicks tomorrow, and the Timberwolves five point favorites against Golden State. Longtime Knicks fan, film director, producer, screenwriter, actor, author, two time Academy Award winner, and got a new movie coming out later on this fall. Well, ask about that Highest the Lowest, starring Denzel Washington Spike Lee on the program How's morale? How are we feeling going into tomorrow?
Damn? First of all, good morning, how you doing?
Good man?
Good, good to see you.
Uh Well, the forecast is orange and blue skies at the world's most famous arena, matt is the Square Garden.
You're nervous.
No, this is gonna be the Vine intervention. Hint, hint, hint. You know what I'm talking about with the Pope.
Yeah, the Villanova alumni.
Is this a bigger win for Villanova than or then when Villanova won that last NCAA championship?
WHOA All I can say is, well, people, you know, people say we have a one seventy seven eight three season, and it takes a miracle.
To rick the snide.
I was at the last rowan Che Stadium when that ball rolled through Buttoner's So I'll take anywhere you can get.
Can anything ease the pain of what happened in four in the Alcs for you with the Yankees and the Red Sox.
Oh with the.
When they camp off a hit of a great reliever? Yeah, what's the Dodgers manager?
He stole second base, right, Dave Roberts, Dave Robinson. I don't know, maybe that means a bucker.
But I remember talking to you when the Yankees were up three to one and I was doing Sports Center, right, and you were along the first baseline, uh seats there in the first baseline. You go, who do you like? I said, I like the red I don't want to hear that. Next game, I see you, who do you like? I said, I like the red size. I don't want to hear that. Then you saw me the next time and you said, who do you like? I don't want to hear it. You're gonna tell me the red slice like the red size? Did you ever get over that?
Only when people like you remind me, it's my job. Those are memberies. You want to yeah, flush.
You know, you know, like the Riggie Miller.
You know that.
You know that you try to, you try to. It comes up though, but it's not. It's not the top of the.
Head.
So when did you first learn to hate the Celtics?
It's anything I'm in New Yorker, that's that's just in kindergarten. You and off of vice versa, you can ask that question.
Bostonians. You know, we don't. It's this is a great robbery, Boston, New York. Any sport.
How was that?
Oh? The Pages were undefeated going to the Super Bowl.
And Manningham damn.
You know, you know you knew to answer that question.
I did. I did.
But I think Bostonians look at the Knicks and Nick fans and go, you guys haven't done anything. We won championships, So maybe how many Yankees have twenty seven?
Thank you?
So what are you saying?
Well, no, I'm just talking about the Celtics Knicks rivalry.
Oh, but it's Boston, New York. It is Boston, New York.
Have you ever talked to Rady about those Super bowls?
Oh?
Here's Oh, I forgot what Super Bowls was but his then wife was screaming, my husband can't throw a ball. Cast the ball. But this past year rep the season game.
Uh, Tom sat courtside, so the NIXT gave him a football to sign and he would throw up into this fans. So he says, fight, come over here. I'm gonna throw you the ball first, and you throw it back to me and I throw it up in the States. I'm five six and a half.
Yeah, you're the size of Edelmann.
I'm small. So he must have throw his throwing the drunk that ball.
Said oh, well before that, before he threw the boy did like.
This, Oh tap to your head near your helmet. No, David Tyree.
Tyree, Yeah that.
No.
But I like to say is Tom's a great guy, great guy, great guy.
He's Spike Lee the movie the Highest to Lowest, starring Denzel Washington.
That'll be Uh. Do you have a release date on them?
Yes, August twenty second nationwide. But also we're going to the can Film Festival May nineteenth. So I believe in how things supposed to be. May nineteenth, nineteen eighty nine was the world premiere Do the Right.
Thing in cann.
May nineteenth twenty five will be Malcolm Mexican birthday. Dnze On Denziel's on Broadway during Othello and the only day Broadway is dark is on a Monday.
And this May nineteenth is a month, is a Monday. Will Denzil be able to come? They can, So we're very happy about that.
When did you know it worked? Clicked with Denzel.
The first film Mo Better Blues?
So in order Mo Better Blues Malcolm X, he got Game and Inside Man. And the funny thing is that Denzel and I both did not know Inside Man was nineteen years ago.
I mean time flies. I mean I didn't know. He didn't know.
But but our relationship is really great, and it's what specials that we don't really hang out. We might see each other when the Lakers in La I see I said, when the Lakers into the garden, he comes to this Fike, let's go.
So but when we see it, just like we saw each other yesterday. So that's the desa you know, relationship.
Who's the other players you considered for h he got Game other than Ray Allen.
Well, my brother Alan Iverson did not did not want audition.
Rehearsal, rehearsal.
Oh no, he didn't say.
No, I'm kidding. Hey, Ai is loved baby. You know I love it and I love you. Uh, they were. Here's the thing that he Got game. I was like a talent scout because Jesus Shuttlestour is the senior Abraham Lincoln High School in Corney Island. So I had to look at the people, look at the players who are going to be in the draft. Also look at the players in the league already but still looked like they could play.
They were in high school. So I made the list and I had auditions.
And the thing is that I needed someone who who's gonna dedicate the whole summer. Now, you know those athletes when it's all season, they gotta take a break whatever.
But Ray said I'll do it. So Ray did not.
We didn't finish the film till the day before he had to report the camp for George Carr was on Milwaukee buckstand.
So he team dedicated himself for the role.
And Uh, Garry always asked me, we're gonna have a heat game. Two, We're gonna have a she Got Game. But I don't think so. I mean that the film is.
What it is and so far not done any sequels.
Yeah, we we fall in love with sequels, and I don't know if Hollywood does as well, because hey, if it was successful then you know, ever.
God Father took unchallenged? What god Father too?
What's the second best sequel? M?
Yeah, I'm stumped. Right there, I'm stumped.
But Francis he olds the crown for that.
Shout out to Francis.
Did you consider Stefan Marbury for heat Got Game?
Well, there's a big controversy and me and Stephan were cool. You know that stuff has been squashed. I seem all the games all the time in the garden. But somehow people were thinking that that this he Got game was about step on it and that's not really the case. The reason why I chose a Lincoln High School because for years they had the best basketball team public school.
And also even though I did't.
Grew up in Corne Island, my highest food I went to was John dou was in Corney Island. So that's that's really you know what it was I did not want. It was not or biographical or I made of this character Jesus has worked, who his father has been locked up for accidents, accidentally killing his mother.
We had Barkley on recently and I asked him what kind of game you had?
He said, Spike can't play.
Well.
First of all, I can't play. He's never seen me play basketball.
So this is.
I mean, now, back in the day softball, I go first to third. I was, I was, I was. I was the fastest kid in my block.
So you were Vince Coleman going from first to third. Jackie Robinson, Jackie Robinson.
You know there are no great softball movies, so maybe maybe you come out with a Softballah yeah, yeah.
I mean, hey, you're gonna get exhibited, right.
Okay, so you do have you had some basketball game?
I mean I'm playing a team uh in New York City depended with softball, stoop ball to touch. I mean it's just just playing in the street.
You know.
Did you ever play against Prince No?
Okay, no, I'm but I heard I've people say he could ball. He could I mean, he could play, and also he was a great he knew the game too. One of my best moments the NBA sat Prince not together at in the All Star Game when it was in New York and we just a famous people looking online and he has his Cane and we were just talking basketball and.
Having a great time.
And I miss him.
I missed him very much.
I was at the NBA Finals in Chicago.
Loose ball. Rodman goes forward out of bounds. Prince is there with his bodyguard. Rodman, you know, gets the ball and he walks over to Prince and he said, hey, we should go out after the game. Well, Prince doesn't acknowledge him. You have to go through the bodyguard to them and talks to Prince. So Rodman's like talking to him, and Prince didn't say anything, and then the bodyguard says, you got to you gotta go through me, and then Rodman waved him off and then walked back on the floor.
Well, I think that was a good decision.
This movie with Denzel highest to lowess h so asap Rocky's in here.
Yeah he he could.
It gives a magnificent performance. And this film is not a remake. It's a reinterpretation of the great film High and Low by the great Japanese filmmaker director A.
Cure curs Out.
So that was back in the sixties, mid.
Nineteen nineteen sixty the great Tissan Muffoon who did many many films. But curs Out is a he's executive at a shoe factory. And in this film, Denzel Washington is a music mogul who's notice having the best gears in the business. So we shot this in the in the streets of the great scenior world, Weather York for those six Spanish you're talking about Weather York.
And uh, my fifth film with Denzel and it's a blessing and uh but.
Not nervous pairing somebody like Denzel with asap.
No, a sap is done.
He's not.
He's not his first film and he he auditioned and and then I'll just tell you he's from Harlem, so.
He's not afraid, not afraid.
He's from Harlem Uptown.
I know you were just on Carmelo Anthony's podcast and they're talking about retirings Jersey. What about Bernard King.
Or the Knicks?
Me right, Yeah, here's the thing. Bernard is one of the greats. But the neighbor But Bernard grew up in my neighborhood, Fort Green. This hospital Fort Green called Cumbona Hospital. Bernard was born there. Albert King, Mike Tyson and Michael Jordan, they were all born in the hospital my neighbor Ford Green, Brooklyn. Wow, yeah, Bernard, I mean those years, I mean it is this. I wish they had better. I wish medicine was for long so they were not. The operation he had his knees would have made him come back, and he really wasn't physically the same.
We came back for the love. But I don't know why the New York Nico Bokers has not retired. Bernard King's jersey should be hanging from the raft of the world's most famous arena. He was a square guard.
He was a bucket man. He was a bucket every time Fort Hamilton High School? Yeah, yeah, uh. How would you celebrate if the next Winter title?
What would it? What would a title mean to you?
Well, May nineteen seventy I was at Game seven, the Willis Reed Game. I was thirteen years old and I just need one before I leave this earth. And I'm telling you when I read the popes, he said he's alumni Vanilla of Villanova. I said, oh my, it's a plump, Oh my god, oh gee, what but listen to though us think a little headed. It could be a Minnesota nick final. Got my boy dotde villing over guys.
So this might be the year you're going to church on Saturday.
Well, I'm not Catholic, but I might go back to might go to abythen church in Marlow and get on my knees. Oh Lord Jesus give us.
But here's the thing though. You know when the Mets won the World Series in nineteen sixty nine, I ran. I ran on the field in Game five.
Like twenty thousand other crazy kids, you know game back then those were day games, the split in Baltimore, and I'm range three and four Shay Stadium, Queens. And my mother said, you're going to school.
My father said, no, he ain't. He's going to Chase Dayton. The Mets got away. What do they call the miracle Mets.
Yeah, so miracles have happened in sports.
Hockey with the you know the maan.
Yeah, so.
It has happened, and we are long overdue.
Good luck on Saturday. All right, good to talk to you very much.
Thank you, man. Take care. All right.
That's Spike Lee and his movie coming out in August. Highest to Lowest with Denzel Washington asap. Rocky is also in it as well.
