Well, well, well, who do you have winning now in the NBA Finals. I was looking for an analogy, a comparison outside of sports with the NBA Finals. And if you've ever gone to a movie and you come home and all of a sudden you say, now, this movie was great, and then all of a sudden, it's who was in it?

Well, well, well, who do you have winning now in the NBA Finals. I was looking for an analogy, a comparison outside of sports with the NBA Finals. And if you've ever gone to a movie and you come home and all of a sudden you say, now, this movie was great, and then all of a sudden, it's who was in it?

Hmm this guy? Remember this guy?

Hmm this guy? Remember this guy?

And he would hmm, okay, you know what, let me google it and then I'll tell you who this is. Like the usual suspects, there are no real stars in there at the time, like Gabriel Byrne, Kevin Spacey. They were all good actors, and then all of a sudden, go, man, this movie. It was wild. It was really good.

And he would hmm, okay, you know what, let me google it and then I'll tell you who this is. Like the usual suspects, there are no real stars in there at the time, like Gabriel Byrne, Kevin Spacey. They were all good actors, and then all of a sudden, go, man, this movie. It was wild. It was really good.

Who's in it? Oh? That guy and maybe that guy me, you know, one of the Baldwin brothers. I'm not sure which one. It's like, it's not Steve. I don't know, Maybe it's Steven, it's not Alan. Yeah, Kevin Pollack, you remember, so you had that.

Who's in it? Oh? That guy and maybe that guy me, you know, one of the Baldwin brothers. I'm not sure which one. It's like, it's not Steve. I don't know, Maybe it's Steven, it's not Alan. Yeah, Kevin Pollack, you remember, so you had that.

You kind of have that with the NBA Finals, and maybe have that with the Indiana Pacers. You're like, they're really good, but who do they have? Wellmember, the guy who won a title in Toronto, and remember the guy who was in Sacramento and then he got this guy was like the ninth pick overall. And you know their coach. He looks a lot like Jim Carrey, but he's bald, like you know, all of this stuff where you're.

You kind of have that with the NBA Finals, and maybe have that with the Indiana Pacers. You're like, they're really good, but who do they have? Wellmember, the guy who won a title in Toronto, and remember the guy who was in Sacramento and then he got this guy was like the ninth pick overall. And you know their coach. He looks a lot like Jim Carrey, but he's bald, like you know, all of this stuff where you're.

Going, yeah, yeah, okay, you know.

Going, yeah, yeah, okay, you know.

And then the other team has a guy who played at Gonzaga, Like he's a seven foot guy who's got a good handle. And then they got a guy who's got hyphen in his name and he's the MVP.

And then the other team has a guy who played at Gonzaga, Like he's a seven foot guy who's got a good handle. And then they got a guy who's got hyphen in his name and he's the MVP.

Huh. That's the feeling you kind of get. And it's been fun, been exciting.

Huh. That's the feeling you kind of get. And it's been fun, been exciting.

And what you saw last night with Indiana was that was a team that appeared to be in better shape than Oka. See and if you watch Brian Winhorns brought this up this morning on the mother Ship. There's like eight minutes to go. They're at the free throw line and you could see the Pacers are standing up and Okasee is kind of holding onto their shorts and that is a tired team.

And what you saw last night with Indiana was that was a team that appeared to be in better shape than Oka. See and if you watch Brian Winhorns brought this up this morning on the mother Ship. There's like eight minutes to go. They're at the free throw line and you could see the Pacers are standing up and Okasee is kind of holding onto their shorts and that is a tired team.

But the Pacers will do that to you.

But the Pacers will do that to you.

They're scoring and if they get I think there's a stat when they get over one hundred and eleven points. Maybe it's one, fourteen, they win. They win every time, and they are controlling the pace. They are the Pacers and they've done a really good job with that so far. And Okasee has lost all four all of the fourth quarters, all three fourth quarters so far. And you saw that last night Indiana. The difference was the fourth quarter. Pacers aren't going away. They don't know better. But Okasee is still a great team. But this game on Friday night, that's your series. Because if Indiana goes up three games to one now all of a sudden, can you win three games in a row. Yes, they can, because it goes back to what I said when this series started.

They're scoring and if they get I think there's a stat when they get over one hundred and eleven points. Maybe it's one, fourteen, they win. They win every time, and they are controlling the pace. They are the Pacers and they've done a really good job with that so far. And Okasee has lost all four all of the fourth quarters, all three fourth quarters so far. And you saw that last night Indiana. The difference was the fourth quarter. Pacers aren't going away. They don't know better. But Okasee is still a great team. But this game on Friday night, that's your series. Because if Indiana goes up three games to one now all of a sudden, can you win three games in a row. Yes, they can, because it goes back to what I said when this series started.

Indiana has no chance.

Indiana has no chance.

Oh you got everybody picking maybe if not four five games, jay Z bet a million dollars. Okac was gonna win five ooops. And now here we are Pacers up two games to one. Now the momentum is the next game. You know, we react overreaction, Fritzy, all of a sudden goes I think Indiana's gonna win. And he had Oka see winning in what six games or five games to start the series.

Oh you got everybody picking maybe if not four five games, jay Z bet a million dollars. Okac was gonna win five ooops. And now here we are Pacers up two games to one. Now the momentum is the next game. You know, we react overreaction, Fritzy, all of a sudden goes I think Indiana's gonna win. And he had Oka see winning in what six games or five games to start the series.

Yep, let's just slow down.

Yep, let's just slow down.

I have the Pacers in six Let's see maybe but Okayc's gonna come back, and this is the chess match that you have. Rick Carlisle is a great coach. And then you start to wonder, Okay, if I'm oka see what do I think they're gonna do next time? And I'm thinking, you don't have to do anything. How about you just continue to do what you're doing and then see what they do. And as far as reacting, I don't want to react because I think they're going to react or counter their reaction. It's like, all right, let me see if you can beat us this way. It's going to be multiple guys going to SGA and we're going to pick them up full court. We're going to tire them out and hopefully we're going to be holding on for the first three quarters and then you get to the fourth quarter and then we're going to take over. And the bench was so important. We've talked about this many many times with different teams. What kind of depth do you have and when you go to them, what are you getting? Here is Rick Carlisle talking about his bench.

I have the Pacers in six Let's see maybe but Okayc's gonna come back, and this is the chess match that you have. Rick Carlisle is a great coach. And then you start to wonder, Okay, if I'm oka see what do I think they're gonna do next time? And I'm thinking, you don't have to do anything. How about you just continue to do what you're doing and then see what they do. And as far as reacting, I don't want to react because I think they're going to react or counter their reaction. It's like, all right, let me see if you can beat us this way. It's going to be multiple guys going to SGA and we're going to pick them up full court. We're going to tire them out and hopefully we're going to be holding on for the first three quarters and then you get to the fourth quarter and then we're going to take over. And the bench was so important. We've talked about this many many times with different teams. What kind of depth do you have and when you go to them, what are you getting? Here is Rick Carlisle talking about his bench.

TJ just brought a will, competitive will to the game. You know, Mathurn jumped in there and immediately was aggressive and got the ball in the basket, and you know, look, this is the kind of team that we are.

TJ just brought a will, competitive will to the game. You know, Mathurn jumped in there and immediately was aggressive and got the ball in the basket, and you know, look, this is the kind of team that we are.

We need everybody to be ready.

We need everybody to be ready.

It's not always going to be exactly the same guys that are stepping up with scoring and stuff like that. But this is how we got to do it, and we got to do it as a team, and you know, we gotta make it as hard as possible on them.

It's not always going to be exactly the same guys that are stepping up with scoring and stuff like that. But this is how we got to do it, and we got to do it as a team, and you know, we gotta make it as hard as possible on them.

You can go to your bench. You just want to make sure that your bench is ready to go. It's like the Knicks, Hey, you're gonna go to your bench? Well I can, but what are you getting when you go there? And Okay, see has depth as well. You know, these are very balanced teams. But you saw last night a bench that was ready to go, and the energy that playing in your building was certainly there.

You can go to your bench. You just want to make sure that your bench is ready to go. It's like the Knicks, Hey, you're gonna go to your bench? Well I can, but what are you getting when you go there? And Okay, see has depth as well. You know, these are very balanced teams. But you saw last night a bench that was ready to go, and the energy that playing in your building was certainly there.

Yeah, the Thunder seemed to be in a much different spot than the Pacers because the Pacers, when they look at their defensive plan, they're like, how do we stop Sga? The Thunder are like, how do we stop all those guys on the bench? Yeah, how do we stop all this the surge coming from the bench every game that's just wiping us out?

Yeah, the Thunder seemed to be in a much different spot than the Pacers because the Pacers, when they look at their defensive plan, they're like, how do we stop Sga? The Thunder are like, how do we stop all those guys on the bench? Yeah, how do we stop all this the surge coming from the bench every game that's just wiping us out?

How do we stop all of those guys and Mathurin it feels like has one game a series. Nie Smith has one game each series. Namhardt has one game. That's what you need. You need to have that guy.

How do we stop all of those guys and Mathurin it feels like has one game a series. Nie Smith has one game each series. Namhardt has one game. That's what you need. You need to have that guy.

Where you go.

Where you go.

Man, he just went off, you know Siakam when he went off for what thirty eight in a game. You just need to have that guy or guys. TJ McConnell was wonderful last night, just forcing turnovers, steals, turning him into points.

Man, he just went off, you know Siakam when he went off for what thirty eight in a game. You just need to have that guy or guys. TJ McConnell was wonderful last night, just forcing turnovers, steals, turning him into points.

You need a guy to have a game.

You need a guy to have a game.

Yeah, and it's not a guy that you expect, because that's where you go. We did a pretty good job on everybody, but not that guy. And Indiana has been sharing the wealth so far. And that's a big win last night. But Friday, Friday's the season FORROKC. And once again we came into the NBA Finals and everybody said they're one of the biggest favorites in the last twenty five years. In fact, only one other team was a bigger favorite, and that was Golden State and that was about a decade ago. But other than that, it was ok. See sixty eight wins, eighty wins total coming into the NBA Finals, and you know, you had a situation in the Eastern Conference Finals, where Tom Thibodau might have gotten fired or in part because they lost to the Pacers. Well, the Pacers are up two games to one to OKAYC And by the way, with the Knicks, I don't know what their plan B, C, D, E F is And maybe i'd give them an F right now for their plan B, C, D and E. But you guys are zero for six from the floor so far, I think, And maybe you wanted to get rid of Tom, like we know that we don't want that coach, but we're trying to find somebody that we can get to coach the team right now. And they're asking for permission and they're being denied, and you know, Brian Windhors talked about this that you know, it's part of negotiations. Maybe maybe Dallas is saying, we want a first round pick and until then, we're not going to give you permission to talk to Jason Kidd, and maybe the Knicks will go, okay, we'll give you a first round pick and then it's over with. But in the meantime, when all of a sudden, you go, you know, maybe Mike Woodson might be a head coaching candidate, like haven't we done this before? Or Mark Jackson he helped build Golden State. Okay, didn't feel like like the plan was to get rid of a coach. The plan was who is There is no plan? Who is going to be our coach? That's the feeling. So all that goodwill you built up. What a great story, this is fun, this is excitement you now the NBA is better when the Knicks are in contention. We're going to the Eastern Conference finals. And then all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, it was a good year, but uh, we're going to fire our head coach and uh, well, who do you got who's coming? I mean you must know, is Michael Malone coming in? And then all of a sudden he's done And go, Okay, I'm surprised at that. I thought it was one of those All right, we're going to replace TIBs. We bring in Michael Malone. We're good. We're even better because he's won a championship before. All right, Uh, us open getting underway today. We'll keep an eye on that the NBA Finals. Mike Breen will join us a little bit later on as well. Seaton, what's the poll question from the first hour of this program.

Yeah, and it's not a guy that you expect, because that's where you go. We did a pretty good job on everybody, but not that guy. And Indiana has been sharing the wealth so far. And that's a big win last night. But Friday, Friday's the season FORROKC. And once again we came into the NBA Finals and everybody said they're one of the biggest favorites in the last twenty five years. In fact, only one other team was a bigger favorite, and that was Golden State and that was about a decade ago. But other than that, it was ok. See sixty eight wins, eighty wins total coming into the NBA Finals, and you know, you had a situation in the Eastern Conference Finals, where Tom Thibodau might have gotten fired or in part because they lost to the Pacers. Well, the Pacers are up two games to one to OKAYC And by the way, with the Knicks, I don't know what their plan B, C, D, E F is And maybe i'd give them an F right now for their plan B, C, D and E. But you guys are zero for six from the floor so far, I think, And maybe you wanted to get rid of Tom, like we know that we don't want that coach, but we're trying to find somebody that we can get to coach the team right now. And they're asking for permission and they're being denied, and you know, Brian Windhors talked about this that you know, it's part of negotiations. Maybe maybe Dallas is saying, we want a first round pick and until then, we're not going to give you permission to talk to Jason Kidd, and maybe the Knicks will go, okay, we'll give you a first round pick and then it's over with. But in the meantime, when all of a sudden, you go, you know, maybe Mike Woodson might be a head coaching candidate, like haven't we done this before? Or Mark Jackson he helped build Golden State. Okay, didn't feel like like the plan was to get rid of a coach. The plan was who is There is no plan? Who is going to be our coach? That's the feeling. So all that goodwill you built up. What a great story, this is fun, this is excitement you now the NBA is better when the Knicks are in contention. We're going to the Eastern Conference finals. And then all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, it was a good year, but uh, we're going to fire our head coach and uh, well, who do you got who's coming? I mean you must know, is Michael Malone coming in? And then all of a sudden he's done And go, Okay, I'm surprised at that. I thought it was one of those All right, we're going to replace TIBs. We bring in Michael Malone. We're good. We're even better because he's won a championship before. All right, Uh, us open getting underway today. We'll keep an eye on that the NBA Finals. Mike Breen will join us a little bit later on as well. Seaton, what's the poll question from the first hour of this program.

Well, we might as well start with who's winning the NBA Finals now, Pacers, Thunder mmmmm, okay, I think a lot of us had the Thunder winning.

Well, we might as well start with who's winning the NBA Finals now, Pacers, Thunder mmmmm, okay, I think a lot of us had the Thunder winning.

Yeah, a lot.

Yeah, a lot.

I think a lot of people had Thunder winning.

I think a lot of people had Thunder winning.

Oh yeah, that would make them the biggest favorites that we've had.

Oh yeah, that would make them the biggest favorites that we've had.

In twenty five years. Yeah.

In twenty five years. Yeah.

The betting odds right now, the Thunder is still favored to win minus two twenty. It was minus five to twenty five yesterday. Pacers are plus one eighty five to win the title. It was plus four hundred yesterday. And the NBA Finals correct series score right now the favorite is Thundered win in seven, and then the second favorite Thunder to win in six. Then it's the Pacers to win in six as well. Eight seven, seven three. DP show any other pole questions that were considering today.

The betting odds right now, the Thunder is still favored to win minus two twenty. It was minus five to twenty five yesterday. Pacers are plus one eighty five to win the title. It was plus four hundred yesterday. And the NBA Finals correct series score right now the favorite is Thundered win in seven, and then the second favorite Thunder to win in six. Then it's the Pacers to win in six as well. Eight seven, seven three. DP show any other pole questions that were considering today.

This is a really interesting one from Paul.

This is a really interesting one from Paul.

I don't know if it's necessarily a pole question, but it's a great topic that maybe we could make a pole question out of it. But the best movie with no stars at the time.

I don't know if it's necessarily a pole question, but it's a great topic that maybe we could make a pole question out of it. But the best movie with no stars at the time.

At the time, okay, Marvin the forty y old Virgin, Steve Corell was not a star.

At the time, okay, Marvin the forty y old Virgin, Steve Corell was not a star.

Seth Rogan was not a star. The movie came out in two thousand and five. They were not stars back then.

Seth Rogan was not a star. The movie came out in two thousand and five. They were not stars back then.

Steve Corell wasn't It was star with the Office.

Steve Corell wasn't It was star with the Office.

It was Hey, the guy from the Office. Okay, you didn't know who Steve Corell was.

It was Hey, the guy from the Office. Okay, you didn't know who Steve Corell was.

Paul Rudd was in there, the guy from Clueless.

Paul Rudd was in there, the guy from Clueless.

It was a lot of the guy from Blank.

It was a lot of the guy from Blank.

Okay.

Okay.

These are all massive successes though that you're it's like saying, like Harrison Ford, Yeah, you know that guy from Star Wars.

These are all massive successes though that you're it's like saying, like Harrison Ford, Yeah, you know that guy from Star Wars.

That's all anybody knows.

That's all anybody knows.

It's like, oh, no, no, no, but I'm saying, Okay, I'm saying at the time the time, it wasn't Steve Correll, I know Steve corell is. It was the guy from Blank. Okay, Paul Rudd was the guy from Blank.

It's like, oh, no, no, no, but I'm saying, Okay, I'm saying at the time the time, it wasn't Steve Correll, I know Steve corell is. It was the guy from Blank. Okay, Paul Rudd was the guy from Blank.

Okay.

Okay.

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Mike Breen, Hall of Fame broadcaster calling his record extending twentieth NBA Finals for the mother Ship. He's with Doris Burke, also Richard Jefferson. It's the Thunder and the pacers and somehow he has the energy to speak to us today, and I'm curious about that. After you call a game like just you have to be energetic, enthusiastic on your game mentally.

Mike Breen, Hall of Fame broadcaster calling his record extending twentieth NBA Finals for the mother Ship. He's with Doris Burke, also Richard Jefferson. It's the Thunder and the pacers and somehow he has the energy to speak to us today, and I'm curious about that. After you call a game like just you have to be energetic, enthusiastic on your game mentally.

How tired are you after a game like last night?

How tired are you after a game like last night?

Well, especially with a game like last night, you're tired because it's a long day in terms of preparation, but you can't go to sleep for hours. It's just you're so up. Especially when you see a game that good. You want to talk about it. You want to talk with the people you work with. It's hard to fall asleep, but when you do, you're out. I probably would have slept till two o'clock this afternoon.

Well, especially with a game like last night, you're tired because it's a long day in terms of preparation, but you can't go to sleep for hours. It's just you're so up. Especially when you see a game that good. You want to talk about it. You want to talk with the people you work with. It's hard to fall asleep, but when you do, you're out. I probably would have slept till two o'clock this afternoon.

Ruined my day, Dan, Thank you Mike. Have you ever had the Wislaine time you had the environment where you can't hear yourself?

Ruined my day, Dan, Thank you Mike. Have you ever had the Wislaine time you had the environment where you can't hear yourself?

Wow, Well, you can always hit yourself because of the headphones, but there's often like I couldn't hear the whistle last night. A few times, couldn't hear the whistle And okay, see a lot of those buildings, it's so loud, and that's why my hearing is deteriorating as I get older, because you have to crank up the volume so high in your headphones to overcome the crowd. Plus they have, you know, a lot of arenas, although last night was not necessarily the case. The music is blaring so loud as well that it's it's hard on the hearing in terms of long term hearing. But last night there was only a couple of times that I just couldn't hear the whistle. And you're looking for the rep to see if his hand goes up, to see if a call was made.

Wow, Well, you can always hit yourself because of the headphones, but there's often like I couldn't hear the whistle last night. A few times, couldn't hear the whistle And okay, see a lot of those buildings, it's so loud, and that's why my hearing is deteriorating as I get older, because you have to crank up the volume so high in your headphones to overcome the crowd. Plus they have, you know, a lot of arenas, although last night was not necessarily the case. The music is blaring so loud as well that it's it's hard on the hearing in terms of long term hearing. But last night there was only a couple of times that I just couldn't hear the whistle. And you're looking for the rep to see if his hand goes up, to see if a call was made.

How often do you have sort of a premonition of what's going to happen or you're you're planning for the game to go a certain way?

How often do you have sort of a premonition of what's going to happen or you're you're planning for the game to go a certain way?

Well, every single night, and I think every broadcast team does this. All right, who you got tonight? Who you got tonight? Who you think? And I'll have stretches where I might get seven or eight in a row like nail it. Oh, they're going to win big tonight. It's going to be a close one, but they're not going to be able to overcome. And then I'll go years without getting a single prediction, right, what.

Well, every single night, and I think every broadcast team does this. All right, who you got tonight? Who you got tonight? Who you think? And I'll have stretches where I might get seven or eight in a row like nail it. Oh, they're going to win big tonight. It's going to be a close one, but they're not going to be able to overcome. And then I'll go years without getting a single prediction, right, what.

Was your prediction for this or last night?

Was your prediction for this or last night?

You know, it's funny, it's funny to say that, So I really felt Indiana had a shot in Game one, didn't think it was going to happen that way. And then I just I just knew Oklahoma City was going to was going to blow them out in Game two. Last night, I and anybody I spoke to when they asked me what I think, I said, I had no idea. Indiana is so unpredictable. They can look like nobody can beat him. They have stretches where it's which a struggle. So I had no idea last night going in. But there's just there's something special going on with that team right now, that's for sure.

You know, it's funny, it's funny to say that, So I really felt Indiana had a shot in Game one, didn't think it was going to happen that way. And then I just I just knew Oklahoma City was going to was going to blow them out in Game two. Last night, I and anybody I spoke to when they asked me what I think, I said, I had no idea. Indiana is so unpredictable. They can look like nobody can beat him. They have stretches where it's which a struggle. So I had no idea last night going in. But there's just there's something special going on with that team right now, that's for sure.

And Ryan Windhors brought this up on ESPN this morning that with about eight thirty to go in the fourth quarter, it looked like OKC was a little winded. They were at the free throw line, they're holding onto their shorts, they're bent over. Meanwhile the Pacers are upright there. I don't know if you got that sense, or Doris or Richard got that sense of fourth quarter. Indiana has been the better team in these first three games, no question.

And Ryan Windhors brought this up on ESPN this morning that with about eight thirty to go in the fourth quarter, it looked like OKC was a little winded. They were at the free throw line, they're holding onto their shorts, they're bent over. Meanwhile the Pacers are upright there. I don't know if you got that sense, or Doris or Richard got that sense of fourth quarter. Indiana has been the better team in these first three games, no question.

Richard actually said that on the air last night.

Richard actually said that on the air last night.

He saw it early on as well, and it's something you just have never seen. Both these teams that they have thrived on wearing you down. For Indiana, in many cases their offense is at such a pace by the fourth quarter they wear you down.

He saw it early on as well, and it's something you just have never seen. Both these teams that they have thrived on wearing you down. For Indiana, in many cases their offense is at such a pace by the fourth quarter they wear you down.

And obviously Oklahoma City, their defense.

And obviously Oklahoma City, their defense.

Is something that wears a team down as the game, not only a game, but as a series goes on. But that's the first time I've seen the Thunder look that way. And there's such a confident team Oklahoma City for a young team, and rightfully so. By the way they've played, they looked unsure themselves in addition to being fatigued, and I've never seen that from them.

Is something that wears a team down as the game, not only a game, but as a series goes on. But that's the first time I've seen the Thunder look that way. And there's such a confident team Oklahoma City for a young team, and rightfully so. By the way they've played, they looked unsure themselves in addition to being fatigued, and I've never seen that from them.

Well. Also, if I look at okc's Big three, their average age is around twenty three. If I look at the big three for Indiana, their average age might be twenty seven. I know it's four years, but four years can be ten years when it comes to experience or just maturity there. Indiana hasn't been here before where they've been to the Eastern Conference finals, but to be in the NBA Finals, and I still wonder about that with OKC getting over that hump, yes You're ready, feels like this is a graduation of we lost second round, we lost in the Western Conference. Now we're in the NBA Finals. We've seen great teams who graduate to this moment. I just wonder the maturity of we're asking twenty three year olds, twenty two year olds to do what the great so the Game did when they were maybe twenty seven to twenty eight.

Well. Also, if I look at okc's Big three, their average age is around twenty three. If I look at the big three for Indiana, their average age might be twenty seven. I know it's four years, but four years can be ten years when it comes to experience or just maturity there. Indiana hasn't been here before where they've been to the Eastern Conference finals, but to be in the NBA Finals, and I still wonder about that with OKC getting over that hump, yes You're ready, feels like this is a graduation of we lost second round, we lost in the Western Conference. Now we're in the NBA Finals. We've seen great teams who graduate to this moment. I just wonder the maturity of we're asking twenty three year olds, twenty two year olds to do what the great so the Game did when they were maybe twenty seven to twenty eight.

Man, I could not agree more. You know, the whole question for them coming in are they ready? Are they too young? Is this their time? And they have to prove that, and certainly they've proved it so far, and even in the Denver series, I mean, this series is far from over. The Denver series, they lose that heartbreaker Game one, win big Game two, and then they lost in Game three as well, and then they had a couple of really close games that were going to be tested against a Nikola Jokic team and they passed those tests. So now Game four is going to be the next test and we'll see how they do. But there's an enormous difference in that in terms of twenty three and twenty seven. And even though last year Indiana they they got swept in the Eastern Conference finals that I know this sounds ridiculous, but that was a close SUITEP three of the games went right down to the final minute.

Man, I could not agree more. You know, the whole question for them coming in are they ready? Are they too young? Is this their time? And they have to prove that, and certainly they've proved it so far, and even in the Denver series, I mean, this series is far from over. The Denver series, they lose that heartbreaker Game one, win big Game two, and then they lost in Game three as well, and then they had a couple of really close games that were going to be tested against a Nikola Jokic team and they passed those tests. So now Game four is going to be the next test and we'll see how they do. But there's an enormous difference in that in terms of twenty three and twenty seven. And even though last year Indiana they they got swept in the Eastern Conference finals that I know this sounds ridiculous, but that was a close SUITEP three of the games went right down to the final minute.

They played well. They gained valuable experience.

They played well. They gained valuable experience.

Last year in that Knick series, they were down two to oh, they were down three to two, won a game seven going away. I know the Knicks were a little banged up, but the Pacers have really grown in terms of playoff pressure. They've seen every possible scenario and they've seen it together. Continuity is the most underrated part of basketball. To have the same guys who know their strengths and weaknesses, who've been through the wars together, and that's what's showing right now.

Last year in that Knick series, they were down two to oh, they were down three to two, won a game seven going away. I know the Knicks were a little banged up, but the Pacers have really grown in terms of playoff pressure. They've seen every possible scenario and they've seen it together. Continuity is the most underrated part of basketball. To have the same guys who know their strengths and weaknesses, who've been through the wars together, and that's what's showing right now.

Indiana. They have a little bit more of that than Oklahoma City does.

Indiana. They have a little bit more of that than Oklahoma City does.

He's Mike Breen.

He's Mike Breen.

He's the play by play host of the NBA Finals for the twentieth year Hall of Fame broadcaster. If we had a shooting contest between you, Richard Jefferson and Doors Burke, who's winning.

He's the play by play host of the NBA Finals for the twentieth year Hall of Fame broadcaster. If we had a shooting contest between you, Richard Jefferson and Doors Burke, who's winning.

It depends are we shooting free throws? That were shooting three pointers? Are we shooting you know, it all depends on the range.

It depends are we shooting free throws? That were shooting three pointers? Are we shooting you know, it all depends on the range.

How about mid range mid range game? You know, like SGA range mid range game. I'll stack my game up with both of them. I've actually challenged Richard to a free throw shooting contest, and he says he wants to do it, but he's never really be any idea in terms of trying to set a particular day for us to do it. I think he's afraid of me, quite honestly.

How about mid range mid range game? You know, like SGA range mid range game. I'll stack my game up with both of them. I've actually challenged Richard to a free throw shooting contest, and he says he wants to do it, but he's never really be any idea in terms of trying to set a particular day for us to do it. I think he's afraid of me, quite honestly.

Well, he has everything to lose, Mike, Yes he does. Yes, Yes, yes he does. Your full time job is the Knicks broadcaster. H Can you tell me what the Knicks are doing with their head coaching search.

Well, he has everything to lose, Mike, Yes he does. Yes, Yes, yes he does. Your full time job is the Knicks broadcaster. H Can you tell me what the Knicks are doing with their head coaching search.

Well, they're obviously turning over every stone right now, and that's you know, there's a lot of good candidates still out there. It's been interesting to see how many teams have quickly said, no, you cannot talk to our coach. Although that's that's understandable, all under contract, and at this point I think Dan, they can take their time. It's not like I mean, there's a lot of still coaches out there. I think they can talk to but there's no need to rush it now. They really need to do their homework, talk to people, talk not only to the candidates, but people who play for the candidates, and do an exhaustive search because there's no need to rush it now.

Well, they're obviously turning over every stone right now, and that's you know, there's a lot of good candidates still out there. It's been interesting to see how many teams have quickly said, no, you cannot talk to our coach. Although that's that's understandable, all under contract, and at this point I think Dan, they can take their time. It's not like I mean, there's a lot of still coaches out there. I think they can talk to but there's no need to rush it now. They really need to do their homework, talk to people, talk not only to the candidates, but people who play for the candidates, and do an exhaustive search because there's no need to rush it now.

It's such an important decision.

It's such an important decision.

If you fire your coach, Did you have a successful season?

If you fire your coach, Did you have a successful season?

Wow, that's an interesting way to put it. I think so, I do. I think they had a very successful season. They've taken the next step. I was certainly surprised at Tom Thibodeau being let go from a standpoint of.

Wow, that's an interesting way to put it. I think so, I do. I think they had a very successful season. They've taken the next step. I was certainly surprised at Tom Thibodeau being let go from a standpoint of.

Success and results.

Success and results.

It's hard to say why, but clearly there was stuff behind the scenes that were going on that they felt it was time to make a change.

It's hard to say why, but clearly there was stuff behind the scenes that were going on that they felt it was time to make a change.

But yes, it was a very successful season in my opinion.

But yes, it was a very successful season in my opinion.

Did you get criticized that you didn't give Tyre's Halliburton a bang because it was a mid range jumper or one to three? I should say, like, is that your policy that it's got to be a three for a bang?

Did you get criticized that you didn't give Tyre's Halliburton a bang because it was a mid range jumper or one to three? I should say, like, is that your policy that it's got to be a three for a bang?

Well, I haven't checked the rules and regulations and the policy. I think the warranty on the policy is out. But no, there's really no. Sometimes it's a feel. In many cases it's I preferred on a three pointer on this particular play, he was moving so quickly. Also sometimes too, I like doing it on a on a home team big bucket.

Well, I haven't checked the rules and regulations and the policy. I think the warranty on the policy is out. But no, there's really no. Sometimes it's a feel. In many cases it's I preferred on a three pointer on this particular play, he was moving so quickly. Also sometimes too, I like doing it on a on a home team big bucket.

Because the crowd overtakes it.

Because the crowd overtakes it.

That's that's one of the reasons I started yelling Bank because I needed a concise call when the crowd overwhelms everything. But that was just more of you know, this is an unbelievable finish. He has a chance to win, and that's the way it came out. But yes, I received criticism. I've been attacked, but it's all part.

That's that's one of the reasons I started yelling Bank because I needed a concise call when the crowd overwhelms everything. But that was just more of you know, this is an unbelievable finish. He has a chance to win, and that's the way it came out. But yes, I received criticism. I've been attacked, but it's all part.

Have you ranked your bang calls?

Have you ranked your bang calls?

Oh damn, no, hope you start not ask me that. No, I have not right, But that's for that's for the viewers to rank the bank calls.

Oh damn, no, hope you start not ask me that. No, I have not right, But that's for that's for the viewers to rank the bank calls.

I can't do because I would say Steph Curry, I thought that that one. What what was that the forty footer that he hit it against OKC That I think that kind of started it. But I also Ray Allen game six of the twenty thirteen NBA Finals. Where does that bang.

I can't do because I would say Steph Curry, I thought that that one. What what was that the forty footer that he hit it against OKC That I think that kind of started it. But I also Ray Allen game six of the twenty thirteen NBA Finals. Where does that bang.

In this discussion?

In this discussion?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Yeah, no, the Curry thing, I was the first double bang and that was that was It was a special time. It was everything that led up to it, and I would agree with that's that's one of my favorites.

Yeah, no, the Curry thing, I was the first double bang and that was that was It was a special time. It was everything that led up to it, and I would agree with that's that's one of my favorites.

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Allen one is is clearly as well because he doesn't hit that the changes who wins the title that year.

Allen one is is clearly as well because he doesn't hit that the changes who wins the title that year.

Playoff ones are special to me.

Playoff ones are special to me.

Derek Rose hit a game winner in Chicago for the Bulls in a playoff game against Lebron. Jeremy Lynn had a couple of great bangs that that that were really exciting during two and a half weeks to some of the most fun games I've ever been a part of.

Derek Rose hit a game winner in Chicago for the Bulls in a playoff game against Lebron. Jeremy Lynn had a couple of great bangs that that that were really exciting during two and a half weeks to some of the most fun games I've ever been a part of.

So there's been there's been a decent amount that I've enjoyed.

So there's been there's been a decent amount that I've enjoyed.

Will there ever be a triple bang? Mike?

Will there ever be a triple bang? Mike?

Stop?

Stop?

I want you on.

I want you on.

Record, Will there be? What would what would bring about a triple bang?

Record, Will there be? What would what would bring about a triple bang?

I think I think I would sound like an idiot if I did a triple bang. But again, it's not premeditated. The double bank came out naturally. It just was so exciting. So maybe in a finals game, if a guy hits a three pointer at the buzzer to win a finals game and to win a championship, that's the possibility.

I think I think I would sound like an idiot if I did a triple bang. But again, it's not premeditated. The double bank came out naturally. It just was so exciting. So maybe in a finals game, if a guy hits a three pointer at the buzzer to win a finals game and to win a championship, that's the possibility.

How about that Tyres Aliburton game on the line and he hits a three and they win the title.

How about that Tyres Aliburton game on the line and he hits a three and they win the title.

I have no choice but to do it?

I have no choice but to do it?

Then, Okay, I'm under severe pressure to do it.

Then, Okay, I'm under severe pressure to do it.

Then now I'm going to watch the finals and.

Then now I'm going to watch the finals and.

Pressure you know, now, this is unforgivable what you're doing.

Pressure you know, now, this is unforgivable what you're doing.

How does pressure feel, Mike?

How does pressure feel, Mike?

It doesn't feel very good?

It doesn't feel very good?

Are you going to do you rest your voice today? I do, like, what do you do today?

Are you going to do you rest your voice today? I do, like, what do you do today?

I drink a lot of tea with honey. I actually I don't talk on the phone because I had an ears, nose and throat. Guy tell me that when my voice is struggling, don't talk on the phone because people tend to talk louder on the phone.

I drink a lot of tea with honey. I actually I don't talk on the phone because I had an ears, nose and throat. Guy tell me that when my voice is struggling, don't talk on the phone because people tend to talk louder on the phone.

I was not aware of that. Are you aware of that? Yeah?

I was not aware of that. Are you aware of that? Yeah?

If you've ever been on a plane when somebody lands and then they're getting a hold of somebody who's going to pick them up, listen to how loud that person is.

If you've ever been on a plane when somebody lands and then they're getting a hold of somebody who's going to pick them up, listen to how loud that person is.

Yeah, just landed.

Yeah, just landed.

Okay, I don't agree. Hold on a second, I have a call. Okay, I'll call you later.

Okay, I don't agree. Hold on a second, I have a call. Okay, I'll call you later.

See.

See.

But whatever, If there's problems with you and your wife and you don't get on the phone and you want to text, I understand that. I mean, but that's on you, Mike. I don't need to hear that.

But whatever, If there's problems with you and your wife and you don't get on the phone and you want to text, I understand that. I mean, but that's on you, Mike. I don't need to hear that.

I can use it. Yeah, I could use it to my advantage.

I can use it. Yeah, I could use it to my advantage.

Yes, I'm an ah the voice. I'll text you. I'll text you.

Yes, I'm an ah the voice. I'll text you. I'll text you.

Hey, great to talk to you again. Thanks for thanks for joining us, Mike bang Breen.

Hey, great to talk to you again. Thanks for thanks for joining us, Mike bang Breen.

Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.

Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.

WAP Beautiful day at Oakmont. Although I just saw Bryson de Shambo hit a couple of shots in the rough from one roff to another and then couldn't get it out of the rough with the next one. If you put it in the fairway, it probably looks like again, not that difficult, of of course, the problem is trying to keep it in the fairway.

WAP Beautiful day at Oakmont. Although I just saw Bryson de Shambo hit a couple of shots in the rough from one roff to another and then couldn't get it out of the rough with the next one. If you put it in the fairway, it probably looks like again, not that difficult, of of course, the problem is trying to keep it in the fairway.

Yes, Paul, they were just showing an overhead shot.

Yes, Paul, they were just showing an overhead shot.

You know, the fly by cameras at the at Oakmont, there was like nine bunkers and this sliver of fair way in between them.

You know, the fly by cameras at the at Oakmont, there was like nine bunkers and this sliver of fair way in between them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wild, But they've taken out like one hundred and fifty bunkers over the years. I think they used to have like three hundred there. Ernie Els knows all about that. He won four majors, He won the US Open twice, he won at Oakmont, winner of eighty pro tournaments worldwide. Ernie, good to talk to you, Thanks for joining us. What do you see when you see Oakmont?

Wild, But they've taken out like one hundred and fifty bunkers over the years. I think they used to have like three hundred there. Ernie Els knows all about that. He won four majors, He won the US Open twice, he won at Oakmont, winner of eighty pro tournaments worldwide. Ernie, good to talk to you, Thanks for joining us. What do you see when you see Oakmont?

Hi?

Hi?

Dan, Good to be with you, my friend. Yeah, no, listen, I put something on Instagram yesterday. You know, just because weather played such a big part in golf. You know, they've had some wet weather up there in the Oakmont area, Pitts, Pittsburgh, and I just kind of reminisced of out time in ninety four. You know, we had a heat wave, you know, thirty one years ago, and the golf course was rock hard. But with all the moisture up there in Oakmont, it's nice and green. And as you just said, if you could get it in the short grass, you can put spin on the ball and you can get some control in your game. And I think that's what most of the leaders are doing this morning. And I went out this morning with a bit of moisture and they putting it in play and from there you can eat some shots. They've already had two holdouts. We see those two holdouts. I just saw one, Sane Lowdy just hold out on number three.

Dan, Good to be with you, my friend. Yeah, no, listen, I put something on Instagram yesterday. You know, just because weather played such a big part in golf. You know, they've had some wet weather up there in the Oakmont area, Pitts, Pittsburgh, and I just kind of reminisced of out time in ninety four. You know, we had a heat wave, you know, thirty one years ago, and the golf course was rock hard. But with all the moisture up there in Oakmont, it's nice and green. And as you just said, if you could get it in the short grass, you can put spin on the ball and you can get some control in your game. And I think that's what most of the leaders are doing this morning. And I went out this morning with a bit of moisture and they putting it in play and from there you can eat some shots. They've already had two holdouts. We see those two holdouts. I just saw one, Sane Lowdy just hold out on number three.

So do you like playing?

So do you like playing?

Should the US Open be the toughest golf course you're going to play that year?

Should the US Open be the toughest golf course you're going to play that year?

Yeah? I believe that.

Yeah? I believe that.

I mean all throughout my time, you know, at the highest level, you know, the US Open was the toughest challenge by.

I mean all throughout my time, you know, at the highest level, you know, the US Open was the toughest challenge by.

A bar none.

A bar none.

You know, every nine and again you go to the Open Championship. You know, I remember in two when we played at Mierfield there was a Saturday just as dark cloud came over and there was all havoc, you know, ensued.

You know, every nine and again you go to the Open Championship. You know, I remember in two when we played at Mierfield there was a Saturday just as dark cloud came over and there was all havoc, you know, ensued.

You know, even Tiger had a tough day.

You know, even Tiger had a tough day.

You known, have too many tough days in his prime, but he had a tough one. And but other than that, you know that the US Open is the toughest challenge we have. You have some of the greatest championship golf courses in this country, and they like to make them very, very hard, which is so you know what you're in for.

You known, have too many tough days in his prime, but he had a tough one. And but other than that, you know that the US Open is the toughest challenge we have. You have some of the greatest championship golf courses in this country, and they like to make them very, very hard, which is so you know what you're in for.

What were you twenty four when you wanted oakmand.

What were you twenty four when you wanted oakmand.

Can you believe it?

Can you believe it?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Twenty four. It was a long time ago, baby.

Twenty four. It was a long time ago, baby.

But if you could go back and tell that twenty four year old something, what would you tell yourself?

But if you could go back and tell that twenty four year old something, what would you tell yourself?

Well?

Well?

A lot.

A lot.

I mean, you know, I remember, you know, in my kind of my speech afterwards, I said, you know, people will have to be patient with me. You know, I've got a long way to go. So that was kind of wise words from a twenty four year old, because that's exactly what's ensued. You know, it was a long it's been a long road. I did win another three majors, you know, starting at twenty four to only when another three, you know, just shows you how tough it can be to win major championships.

I mean, you know, I remember, you know, in my kind of my speech afterwards, I said, you know, people will have to be patient with me. You know, I've got a long way to go. So that was kind of wise words from a twenty four year old, because that's exactly what's ensued. You know, it was a long it's been a long road. I did win another three majors, you know, starting at twenty four to only when another three, you know, just shows you how tough it can be to win major championships.

You know, I won my first one at twenty four.

You know, I won my first one at twenty four.

In my last one when I was almost forty three, when you know, Adam Scott had a tough finish, you know, at leven. So I've had some good stretches of golf. Thankfully, I was. I've been in for the long run, you know, to have a twenty year career at the top level, you know, you're very fortunate to have that kind of career. So it's been it's been a lot of fun, but it's been a lot of a lot of kind of struggles. You know, my game, there's so many disciplines in the game that you have to master, and over time, some of them decay a little bit just because of you know, what's going on in your head. And you know, obviously I had some putting problems and you know, that's that's kind of that held me back a little bit. But for the most you know, it's been a good run.

In my last one when I was almost forty three, when you know, Adam Scott had a tough finish, you know, at leven. So I've had some good stretches of golf. Thankfully, I was. I've been in for the long run, you know, to have a twenty year career at the top level, you know, you're very fortunate to have that kind of career. So it's been it's been a lot of fun, but it's been a lot of a lot of kind of struggles. You know, my game, there's so many disciplines in the game that you have to master, and over time, some of them decay a little bit just because of you know, what's going on in your head. And you know, obviously I had some putting problems and you know, that's that's kind of that held me back a little bit. But for the most you know, it's been a good run.

When did you first hear the name Tiger Woods?

When did you first hear the name Tiger Woods?

I mean a long time ago. I mean I remember playing the Buick Classic at Westchester Country Club, and that was another favorite golf course of mine, and Tiger was playing the program, and everybody was kind of talking about Tiger. I think this was back in ninety four even or ninety five. I mean, he's a couple of years younger than me, so you know, we all kind of stood around his little kid, you know, and everybody said that he's going to be the next thing. So I met Tiger back in those days, and he played in quite a few events as an amateurs, and I was paired with him. I think I was paired with him in ninety five when John Dailey won the Open Championship at s and Andrews, I was paired with Peter Jacobson, Tiger and myself.

I mean a long time ago. I mean I remember playing the Buick Classic at Westchester Country Club, and that was another favorite golf course of mine, and Tiger was playing the program, and everybody was kind of talking about Tiger. I think this was back in ninety four even or ninety five. I mean, he's a couple of years younger than me, so you know, we all kind of stood around his little kid, you know, and everybody said that he's going to be the next thing. So I met Tiger back in those days, and he played in quite a few events as an amateurs, and I was paired with him. I think I was paired with him in ninety five when John Dailey won the Open Championship at s and Andrews, I was paired with Peter Jacobson, Tiger and myself.

You know.

You know.

I was also paired with him in the US Opened at Chenney Coock in ninety five, So we played a lot of golf together at a very early age for him.

I was also paired with him in the US Opened at Chenney Coock in ninety five, So we played a lot of golf together at a very early age for him.

So I've known him for a long time.

So I've known him for a long time.

Did you get it right away that, you know?

Did you get it right away that, you know?

Because some of the veterans told me, hey, he thinks he's going to come out here and dominate. And I remember one prominent golfer told me, it's like, hey, this is completely different when you come out here and then he wins like whatever. In Milwaukee, He's like hello world, and you know, he didn't open the door. He knocked down the door.

Because some of the veterans told me, hey, he thinks he's going to come out here and dominate. And I remember one prominent golfer told me, it's like, hey, this is completely different when you come out here and then he wins like whatever. In Milwaukee, He's like hello world, and you know, he didn't open the door. He knocked down the door.

Yeah. I mean it's like any other sports.

Yeah. I mean it's like any other sports.

You know, you go from cottage football or basketball or baseball into the pros and there's a different talent level there. You know, there's a different atmosphere, so to speak. He didn't quite win his first one, he didn't win his second one, but I think by the third one he figured it out. I think he won in Vegas or something ridiculous. You know, I remember speaking to Tiger. You know, I had a close finish at the Open Championship with Tom Lahman won in at Lithums and ANNs and I finished second. You know, I was sitting in the locker room that there's just a wall between the eighteenth Green and the clubhouse where the locker room is, the men's locker room. I sat there, I was having a couple of beers, you know, just reflecting on you know, you know how close it was, and Tiger sled in next to me and he started talking to me, and you know.

You know, you go from cottage football or basketball or baseball into the pros and there's a different talent level there. You know, there's a different atmosphere, so to speak. He didn't quite win his first one, he didn't win his second one, but I think by the third one he figured it out. I think he won in Vegas or something ridiculous. You know, I remember speaking to Tiger. You know, I had a close finish at the Open Championship with Tom Lahman won in at Lithums and ANNs and I finished second. You know, I was sitting in the locker room that there's just a wall between the eighteenth Green and the clubhouse where the locker room is, the men's locker room. I sat there, I was having a couple of beers, you know, just reflecting on you know, you know how close it was, and Tiger sled in next to me and he started talking to me, and you know.

I was like, you know, what do you what do you what do you mean? He says, no, you think I'm ready? I said, what do you mean? What are you talking about?

I was like, you know, what do you what do you what do you mean? He says, no, you think I'm ready? I said, what do you mean? What are you talking about?

I says no, you know, I'm thinking about turning pro And I was probably one of the biggest mistakes of my life.

I says no, you know, I'm thinking about turning pro And I was probably one of the biggest mistakes of my life.

Back to st You're not good enough?

Back to st You're not good enough?

Is Scotty has he graduated to the when we had Tiger versus the field? Is it Scotty versus the field? Now in these majors? In your opinion?

Is Scotty has he graduated to the when we had Tiger versus the field? Is it Scotty versus the field? Now in these majors? In your opinion?

I saw that you guys starting to talk about that. Even the players are starting to as that. But just when I'm reading comments of really high regarded players like Justin Thomas, you know, saying how can I catch this guy? You know that sounds like my language back in the day, you know, with Tiger, how can I.

I saw that you guys starting to talk about that. Even the players are starting to as that. But just when I'm reading comments of really high regarded players like Justin Thomas, you know, saying how can I catch this guy? You know that sounds like my language back in the day, you know, with Tiger, how can I.

Get close to this guy?

Get close to this guy?

So there's already a little bit of separation and and and and truly so because the guy's phenomenal. I mean, he's you know, I mean it gets his patch where he's hot. You know, he's very tough to beat. And to be honest with you, I've been watching the golf this morning. Scott is this golf course has made for him? You know, you have to hear it both ways. You got to put it in the air. You gotta have a good short gum. Everything gets tested. But it's not the narrowest fairways I've ever seen at Oakmont, So it's it's very playable, but in over four rounds, it's very tough to beat this guy when he's at his best.

So there's already a little bit of separation and and and and truly so because the guy's phenomenal. I mean, he's you know, I mean it gets his patch where he's hot. You know, he's very tough to beat. And to be honest with you, I've been watching the golf this morning. Scott is this golf course has made for him? You know, you have to hear it both ways. You got to put it in the air. You gotta have a good short gum. Everything gets tested. But it's not the narrowest fairways I've ever seen at Oakmont, So it's it's very playable, but in over four rounds, it's very tough to beat this guy when he's at his best.

So, yes, there is thought like Tiger this kind of golf.

So, yes, there is thought like Tiger this kind of golf.

What is pressure feel like to you?

What is pressure feel like to you?

Well, it depends on where you add in your game when you shop, you know, when all your disciplines you know you you've got them, got them intact. It's a it's a measure of where you add in your game and how you can prove things to yourself because the pressure, the highest pressure is when you really get tested, you know, and if you want to get tested against the field, pressure is the is the best barometer to test yourself. So it feels it feels like you're getting going through a test where your game's at when you when you inform. When you're not inform, it's one of the worst experiences because you don't trust yourself. If this discipline that you're not quite mastering at the moment, if it's driving, iron played short game putting, especially under pressure putting. You know, things fall apart if you're not, if you're not really on top of things. So it can be it can be good, and it can be really really bad.

Well, it depends on where you add in your game when you shop, you know, when all your disciplines you know you you've got them, got them intact. It's a it's a measure of where you add in your game and how you can prove things to yourself because the pressure, the highest pressure is when you really get tested, you know, and if you want to get tested against the field, pressure is the is the best barometer to test yourself. So it feels it feels like you're getting going through a test where your game's at when you when you inform. When you're not inform, it's one of the worst experiences because you don't trust yourself. If this discipline that you're not quite mastering at the moment, if it's driving, iron played short game putting, especially under pressure putting. You know, things fall apart if you're not, if you're not really on top of things. So it can be it can be good, and it can be really really bad.

But you can't hide. That's the thing about golf is when I play on the weekend, I can reload. You got to go play your foul balls. Payne Stewart once told me, Hey, the difference between us and a regular player is our missus. We know we're gonna hit great shots. It's our miss might be three yards off, yours might be thirty yards off.

But you can't hide. That's the thing about golf is when I play on the weekend, I can reload. You got to go play your foul balls. Payne Stewart once told me, Hey, the difference between us and a regular player is our missus. We know we're gonna hit great shots. It's our miss might be three yards off, yours might be thirty yards off.

But have you had that.

But have you had that.

Feeling on the golf course where you're go I could just leave now and walk off the course and be done with Go have a beer, and you know, I forget, you know, the hell with the last round?

Feeling on the golf course where you're go I could just leave now and walk off the course and be done with Go have a beer, and you know, I forget, you know, the hell with the last round?

Absolutely, you know, And the longer you play, the more those kinds of situations can happen, you know, especially me at fifty five. Now, if I have to put myself in that situation and I'm not on top of my game, that golf course will eat you alive.

Absolutely, you know, And the longer you play, the more those kinds of situations can happen, you know, especially me at fifty five. Now, if I have to put myself in that situation and I'm not on top of my game, that golf course will eat you alive.

You know, if you're not on your game.

You know, if you're not on your game.

The greens there are some of the most treacherous greens you'll ever put on, You're going to see four parts there.

The greens there are some of the most treacherous greens you'll ever put on, You're going to see four parts there.

Believe me.

Believe me.

Over this week you're going to see daft shots out of the rough. And you're right, and Paine Stewart is right. In Major Champions of Golf, it's not about the great shots. It is, yes, but there's those shots that you miss and you don't have a chance of hitting a shot near the flag. Where do you play it to We have a chance to get the ball up and down or save a stroke, or save two strokes, and that at the end of the day can be winning or losing the end.

Over this week you're going to see daft shots out of the rough. And you're right, and Paine Stewart is right. In Major Champions of Golf, it's not about the great shots. It is, yes, but there's those shots that you miss and you don't have a chance of hitting a shot near the flag. Where do you play it to We have a chance to get the ball up and down or save a stroke, or save two strokes, and that at the end of the day can be winning or losing the end.

If I made you drink a beer each hole in the Major, who would be who would have the most Majors?

If I made you drink a beer each hole in the Major, who would be who would have the most Majors?

Without a doubt?

Without a doubt?

John Day, Have you ever had a nineteenth hole sit down with John where you have a couple of couple of beers.

John Day, Have you ever had a nineteenth hole sit down with John where you have a couple of couple of beers.

Now, listen, I've known John before the US public knew about John. John came down to South Africa late eighties, early nineties and he was a superstar down there before he became a superstar in the US. He won some tournaments down there. We were very young in those days, and you know, if I was going to go to university, I had to do military service. But I had a couple of US college offers, and I would have gone to Arkansas.

Now, listen, I've known John before the US public knew about John. John came down to South Africa late eighties, early nineties and he was a superstar down there before he became a superstar in the US. He won some tournaments down there. We were very young in those days, and you know, if I was going to go to university, I had to do military service. But I had a couple of US college offers, and I would have gone to Arkansas.

Can you imagine that.

Can you imagine that.

You and John?

You and John?

Yeah, you know we might have. We have definitely met there. But he's a good friend. He still plays champions to a golf No, undoubtedly the guy. You know, he's slowed down a lot now, but in his heyday, I know even I could come.

Yeah, you know we might have. We have definitely met there. But he's a good friend. He still plays champions to a golf No, undoubtedly the guy. You know, he's slowed down a lot now, but in his heyday, I know even I could come.

Yeah, I could have a couple.

Yeah, I could have a couple.

It's good that John slowing down, Ernie.

It's good that John slowing down, Ernie.

Yeah, well we all slow down, and yes we did.