The Dan Patrick ShowDan reacts to the NFL coaches who have been hired thus far. NFL insider Albert Breer dives into the Cowboys' missed opportunities in their head coaching search and why he believes the Jets nailed their latest head coaching hire. Former NFL QB Sean Salisbury breaks down the mounting pressure on QB Josh Allen to deliver a Super Bowl for the Bills and critiques Cowboys owner Jerry Jones for his reluctance to relinquish control. And fellow broadcaster Dan Le Batard offers his fiery take on the current tension between Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley and explains how money and pride have fueled this rift.
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Like the longer your team goes before they hire somebody, the worst it's going to get. Like if you're a Cowboy fan today and you're going, who are we hiring? If you're the Saints, does anybody want this job? The Jags? Now the Jets got Aaron Glenn, thoughts and prayers, and you start to think, okay, it's taken this long. Wait, you're gonna fire your GM in Jacksonville? Well wait, why didn't you fire him before the Raiders? You gotta fire your coach? Wait, wait, wait, and then you're gonna fire your GM. So the longer you wait, unless you're waiting for somebody who's in the postseason, it feels like the worst it's going to get. We'll talk to Albert Breer, the Monday Morning quarterback. He'll set us straight on everything that's going on right now. The Bears got their guy, they got Ben jem the report that the Cowboys didn't even bring him in to interview him or at least do a zoom call with Ben Johnson. The analogy that I'll use is, if I know that that girl doesn't want to go out with me. I'm not going to ask her to go out with me and get embarrassed. Jerry Jones probably thinks Ben Johnson, all you young offensive whippers snapper here, You think you could come in here and change our culture. I'm the one who changes the culture, and that culture is actually the culture that never changes. So are you going to hire or promote Brian Schottenheimer as the Cowboys new head coach? And if that's the case, there are reports they're going to promote the offensive coordinator. His father borderline Hall of Fame coach. Maybe is a Hall of Fame coach, and Brian Schottenheimer feels like a Cowboys coach. Hey, come on in, you get the title. But you, Brian, you know the dre. I'm the coach. I'm the captain now, so he already knows that going in. If you bring in Brian Johnson, Brian Johnson's going to be like Ben Johnson. He's gonna be like liit An. I got autonomy here. If you don't bring in the number one offensive minded person who was available in the off season, and you could zoom call the Bears didn't fly in Ben Johnson, he zoomed which is weird. Though you're going to hire somebody and they don't even you know, take a tour of the facilities. I thought that that was kind of strange. But Ben Johnson showing a little personality yesterday as he was sworn in as the new head coach of the Chicago Bears, and he talked about his expectations for his team.
Get comfortable being uncomfortable. The bar has been set higher than it's ever been set before. For the only way for this team and for you is individual players to reach your potential is to be pushed and to be challenged. And that's exactly what I and my staff plan on doing. Our mission starting the spring is to win and to win now.
Alrighty, let's go, got T shirts and banners.
Get comfortable being uncomfortable?
Yeah, I don't know what it means, but yeah we're ready.
Yeah.
Seton Does he deliver everything like he's reading it off a sheet wild paper?
Oh well?
This is what he thought of the Bearers this past season while he was in Detroit.
Going into this season, I felt like this place was a sleeping giant. To be honest with you, I personally was more concerned about the Chicago Bears than was anybody else in this division. Now, there's a number of reasons why that did not unfold, all right, which that's why I'm here. I'll get to the bottom of that and we'll see if we can't get that corrected and cleaned up.
Okay, whatever that meant. He talked about taking his family to the Cubs games. Oh, he's one of us. We love the Cubs.
He's one of us.
Our prayers have been answered.
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Yes, Marvin and Bradley Beal also has a no trade clause on his contract, which makes it even worse. It's like him and Lebron. I think those are orange players in the NBA because that's why I put in the same category.
Yes, Ron, Yeah, yeah, can't move him all right?
Eight seven to seven to three DP show email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show, Cowboys, Jags, Raiders, and the Saints. Those are the openings. We'll talk to Albert Breer about that. The college football Title game ratings were down. Probably a couple of reasons for that. As we said, you know, a Monday night after football games over the weekend. Inauguration was that night. I can see why they would be even though you do have Ohio State and Notre Dame. Imagine if you didn't have Ohio State and or Notre Dame in there. But the ratings were down. Not surprised.
They got to fix that.
You know, college football has This is an interesting offseason. It's not the most important offseason. I think that'll be the following year when they decide what they're going to do. As far as expanding the playoffs, maybe to fourteen, I think they got to get the seating down. Just because you win your conference doesn't mean that you get a first round by I mean, there's some things that they can clean up here. But the contract, the new contract goes into effect in twenty twenty six. But as far as the national title game, we suggested, why not on a Thursday night prior to the divisional games. You know, there was such a long stretch in between and your I don't know, you just kind of you lose that, you get lost in that vortex that's known as the NFL. But the ratings, the ratings were down, and I think you got to you got to change that.
Now.
There was a blowout right in front of us, and you might have tuned out of that game. But ESPN announced yesterday that twenty two million viewers. That's the most watched non NFL sporting event over the past year, but a twelve percent drop from the twenty five million that tuned in from Michigan over Washington in twenty twenty four.
Stat of the day, stat of the day, that best stat of the day, stat of the day.
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Here's something for you from a source. The Big ten in SEC everybody, the athletic directors are meeting in New Orleans February nineteenth. So that's gonna take place before the college football playoff meetings. So you're gonna discuss everything that's going on there. And I think you want to get that championship game fixed. Are you gonna have conference title games? The fact, the ACC came out and said, we don't want our conference champion, the regular season champ, to play in the conference title game because we don't want them to play.
One more game.
We in case they lose that game, your best team, then they don't get seated as high as you would like. I think the ACC had the eleventh and twelfth seeded teams in the playoffs this year with SMU and Clemson, but I think you would have the second and third place teams play in the conference championship game instead of the team that's the.
Best team in the ACC.
Now, Setan came up with some logic attached to this of why the ACC would do this, because at first I thought, boy, they're desperate to try to do something, and then Setan said, no, there might be some logic attached to this, and they might be using another model in another sport. You're gonna protect the winning team. Setan, if you'd like to explain what you think the ACC is doing with having these second and third place teams play for their conference championship game, well, what they do.
In soccer is say in England, right, you have the Premier League, which is the top and then you have a championship which is just below that, and they have promotion and relegations. So the top three teams from championship go up to the Premier League every year, and the bottom three from the Premier League go down to cheachampionship every year. But the way that they'll do the promotion part of it to get from championship up to the Premier League is the top two teams in the league automatically advance, and then there's a playoff for the third spot, so you basically reward the teams that did the best. Every game matters. Every game is important. You have to win your games, you have to win the league. Winning the league is still very important, but if you want to get promoted, there's a playoff for the third spot rather than the first spot.
I can't wait for relegation in college football. If anybody is going to attack the NFL for popularity, If I put relegation in where you're watching games that you would never watch, but now all of a sudden there's relegation, Oh my god, that's when every game counts. Because I remember when I said I'm all for twelve team playoff. It'll make the regular season even more valuable and that proved to be true. Every game mattered because more teams were getting into the postseason or the opportunity to get a chance to play in the postseason. They're going to expand that. They know the money that's attached to that. But if you said there was relegation, Let's say North Dakota State winning this year was going to get promoted and they're going to go into the Big Twelve. And let's say Baylor gets relegation. Oh, I don't know, throw out a team, but just having that, let's say the two teams that play, you know, like it's Montana State against North Dakota State, and both teams get promoted, and then you'll have relegation. What if you had just forty schools and then every year two went up and two went down. Yeah, seton that.
Soccer is the most popular sport in every country that has promotion and relegation, and if it doesn't, then the sport tends to suffer a bit. I really believe that if college football was to institute pro rel it would within five years it would probably be the most popular sport in the country. Wow, it just you just can't replicate the dynamics of what it means to move up and what it means to move down. You just you can't compare it to anything else.
Yeah, pulling, you put the national title game like Ohio State Notre Dame eight o'clock on a Saturday, but three o'clock on that Saturday is Montana State versus North Dakota State or whatever. The FCS title game is a lot of eyeballs, like you said you own that day.
That'd be fantastic.
And by the way, the last place team in the Big Twelve this year was Oklahoma State. Oh sorry, wow, cauld you imagine a big money squad like them going.
Down the forty. I'm a man and I'm relegated. Yes, ud, Could you put.
The four screens up of the teams that are most likely to be relegated, just like they do in the tournament to see if you get in and what your state is and see the emotional reactor to your relegating.
I love that. I think you could.
College football has got some changes, you know, they know that they need to come up with changes. They need to come up with something that says they know what the changes are that they need to make. But I think it's an interesting offseason.
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Albert Brier, the Monday Morning Quarterbacks senior NFL reporter, joining us on the program. All right, let me start with the Jaguars. What is Jacksonville doing.
Doesn't seem like they know themselves. You know, I think the fact that the owner isn't around a lot probably affected this process. And you know, I think he wanted somebody to help him. Shad con did with the with the coaching search, which I think in the past has been why you've seen a bunch of half measures. In the decade and a half that he's on the team, he's only done a clean sweep once, despite a lot of losing, and that was a long time ago. He didn't want to go it alone, so he holds on to Trent, and after two weeks they realize what I think everyone had known all along, which was Trent Alki was a serious impediment towards them getting the right head coach, and there were a lot of coaches who didn't want to work with Trent based on his past history, based on the clashes that he had with a bunch of different people over the years. You want to go back to San Francisco, Jim Harbaugh, you more recently, obviously Doug Peterson there over the last couple of years, and some issues that he had with Peterson and his staff.
And so.
What is it, sixteen days later, seventeen days later, they're sort of hitting reset and starting over again. Now they really like Robert Salad, who will be in there tomorrow for a second interview. And I think there's a chance they open it back up and you know, maybe bring guys like Joe Brady back next week. But obviously now they've got to concurrently run a general manager search as well, and I think that sort of resets the whole process. And you know, I think then you see guys like like Ian Cunningham coming in to interview for the job. The thing that sucks there is that you've taken some viable candidates off the table on that end too, you know, whereas on the head coach side, now Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, Mike Frable, guys who might have had an interest in the job of Trent Balki hadn't been there or off the table. Now you have qualified general manager candidates like Mike Borganzi and Tennessee, John spy Tech and Vegas who are off the table as well.
What's to say about Trevor Lawrence.
I think that's the bigger picture that any any coaches coming in wants to know the quarterbacking situation. You would think that would have been a positive for Jacksonville to have Trevor Lawrence, that you would have the coaches would be running for that job, that you got your franchise quarterback. I think it says a lot about Trevor Lawrence in this situation.
I think it says more about Trent Balkie, don't you.
I mean, like, yes, I was shocked that they were going to keep him. I can replace a GM, I'm not going to be able to replace Trevor Lawrence.
Yeah, I think like that's yeah, and that's part of it. Of course, there's some different opinions on Trevor Lawris, but I think everybody agrees that he's talented and you can win with him. Now, you know, is he worth fifty five million dollars a year? You might get some diversient opinions on that, and I think as he came into the league, he I would say, as he came into the league, you know, like there was a feeling that this guy's more raw than anyone really thought. And it was a result of playing a pretty in a pretty simplistic offense at Clemson. He had played a lot of football there, but you know, he wasn't doing a lot of NFL things there and obviously playing on a supreme, supremely talented team as well. So I think he's got ability, you know that that that's for sure. The physical traits are all there. The question is can you get him to that next level? And I mean, look like you know, in the in the AFC right now, I'd argue you've got maybe the four best players in the sport at that position in Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. And so is Trevor Lawrence good enough to break through that glass ceiling? I think that's a fair question to ask.
All right, what are the Cowboys doing?
Another one where I'm not sure they are even quite sure, which is mind blowing to me because they had a year to prepare for this Dan, you know, like I, it was no secret. You know, they were the ones that created this situation for themselves where Mike McCarthy was in a contract year. I actually believe that if if he had term left on his contract, they would have held on to him for another year. But because they created that situation for themselves, things got awkward after the year, there's no real negotiation, and they cut it off, you know, eight days after other teams are already into their coaching searches and so they went into this thing behind and they were playing catch up. You know, it kind of cut them off from talking to the Lions assistants and the chiefs assistants when you know other teams were doing that and now you see them leaning back on familiarity and you know the names are different.
But why aren't they interviewing Ben Johnson? Why didn't they zoom Ben Johnson?
Because it's too late. They didn't have a chance to because because the rules say, if you're like for the for the teams that had the buys right Lions and Jeefs, that windows only opened through the wildcard rounds.
So but they put themselves in this position though Albert.
Right then That's what I'm saying. They created that situation for themselves. Like if they had said on Monday of whatever the date was, the Monday after the season, if they had just said, all right, like that's it, we're walking away from Mike McCarthy, and they certainly could have gone and talked to Ben Johnson. I think Mike Rabel would have been really interested in that job. And part of the reason why the Patriots moved as fast as they did was that they knew there was a relationship there between Vrabel and the Joneses, and the Joneses would have been really interested in Mike Frable.
You're making this even worse for Cowboys that they didn't get rid of Mike McCarthy, so they could have interviewed Ben Johnson, and Mike Brabel probably would have been interested in taking that job. Other than that, enjoy Brian Schottenheimer as you new head coach.
And but but I think, like to me, isn't the tell though, Dan, like who they're looking at?
Like, what do you do?
If you're really lost? You'll lean back on familiarity, right Deon Sanders, Kellen Moore, Brian Schottenheim, Er, Jason Witten, like the names that you're hearing here are all names they're familiar with, which is exactly what you would do if you didn't have a plan, right, Like, so, you know, it's just it's I don't know, I mean, like looking at where that team is, they're in a funky spot from a contract standpoint. Obviously it's just signed Dak and Ceedee Lamb. They're they're in for another big one this offseason with Micah Parsons, and that's gonna be a big box decision, you know, I think waiting on him. You know, now he's gonna ask for forty million dollars a year, and you know, I'd say as a player, he's certainly worth it.
You know.
So they're they're they're in this weird spot from a team standpoint, and like now you look at where they're at, I mean, is the answer for them what they did in two thousand and seven when they brought back Jason Garrett and Jason Garrett was sort of the coach in waiting and then they had Wade Phillips as the experienced hand there is that what they're going to wind up doing with Brian Schottenheimer and Jason Whitten, Are they going to go back to the wall with Callen Moore, which would kind of be what the plan had been a few years ago that Kellen Moore would be the future head coach of the Cowboys. Do they really take a swing and do Dion Sanders. I mean, all the names you're hearing now, their names are familiar with and I just you know, you do have to question whether or not there's there they're thinking has gotten way too insular there.
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The Raiders.
Tom Brady doesn't lose very often, but it feels like he lost out on Ben Johnson. And what that now means, you know, another organization, Hey, we fired the coach dot dot dot dot, and we fired the general manager. And it felt like they were making they were paving the way for Ben Johnson to come in and say, hey, you're going to be able to on this team where we're going to get a GM that you can work with.
But yep, I was certainly yep, that was certainly the case. And I I heard I'd heard that Brady was enamored with with Ben Johnson. And really liked the idea of Ben Johnson, and Ben was going to turn down that interview, and Brady making calls and presenting a compelling vision was the reason why he took the interview. You know, my understanding was like Ben really loved the vision that Brady put in front of him when they did have a chance to talk, and you know, Brady made a real run at it. And yeah, I think pieces of this or that the comfort for Johnson, for Ben Johnson being in the Midwest and his family is very comfortable in Detroit. Chicago is not that much different of a place if you're raising a family, and then you know, finding a comfort level with the with the front office and and with ownership there, and then you know, you wind up landing. You're landing in a spot that does have a young quarterback in Caleb Williams. So I think Brady was kind of climbing uphill on that one and almost made it, but you know that, you know, not landing the guy forces you to pivot. And now he goes back into his past and brings in the guy he's really familiar with in John Spy Tech to help him out. I think that like sort of creates a reset for them a little bit on the coaching search. Spy Tech's a guy who's I think, you know, along with Mike Borganzi, Like those two guys were very very ready the last couple of years. There were a lot of people that were stunned that they hadn't gotten jobs yet. And spy Tech's pretty close with Brady. They played together at Michigan, and that's been a little overblown. They didn't really know each other very well then Brady was the starting quarterback, spy Tech was on the scout team. But over the three years they were together in Tampa, spy Tech actually ran the Tuesday meeting that Belichick used to run for Brady and New England that Nick Cassario used to run for Brady in New England, where you're looking at the next week's opponent, So meeting every week, breaking down the opponent a week ahead, like all that stuff that he would that those two were doing together, they were able to form a little bit of a and so when the door closes on Ben Johnson, Brady you know, went and got a guy who really respects in Spytech, And now I think they reset the coaching search a little bit, and we'll see where they go with that.
Better hire what the Jets did or what the Bears did.
I really like what the Jets did. I like both guys. Both guys. I think it'll be really be good, will be good head coaches. I just look at like where the Jets are at, and I think the Jets. I think this was correc I've been very critical of the Jets over the last few months. I think the Jets got something right here in that. I think Mike Tannebaum, being a guy who'd been there before, some of the executives maybe looking a little bit in the mirror, they realize, like, we need somebody who's going to embrace being here, and we need somebody who's going to embrace the spotlight of New York. And we need somebody who understands the dynamics of working in this franchise and the narratives that get spun out there, and the fact that everybody thinks for a service. We need somebody who's going to embrace the challenge of that. And they've had a lot of guys over the last couple of decades that have come in there and said they were going to do that, but then in the end, have sort of chafed against it, you know what I mean, like and have really chafed against the dynamics that exist in that franchise. And so I think going and finding somebody who's going to embrace the challenge of that, who understands the challenge of that, and the guy who's a first round pick there and played a bunch of years there, I think they got this one right. And I think if you spend five minutes around Aaron Glenn, he screams head coach. So I really like what the Jets did there, and I look like I think the Bears got it right too, Like I think Ben Johnson's got a great future as a head coach. But I think just as far as like, if you're talking about what a franchise needs, I think the Jets got exactly what they needed in hiring Aaron Glenn.
What about the Saints, Yeah, that's another one.
You know, like they've sort of leaned up familiarity a little bit there, you know, like the snowstorm has affected some things. They're gonna they're gonna have Anthony Weaver back in there. You know, They're they're trying to get Mike McCarthy in over the weekend. Uh, this one sort of seems like it might be McCarthy to me. You know, McCarthy didn't initially Like initially McCarthy just took the trip to Chicago. I think McCarthy was a little bit more focused on the Chicago job, you know. But just you know, with Mickey Loomis there, and and and and the roster being what it is and where it is right now. I you know, I think after you strikeout on Aaron Glenn, who I I would say was probably their first choice, you look at it and you say, okay, like, what can we do to sort of stabilize the franchise and and and get ourselves in a position where maybe we can win a little bit with the current core, but then we're gonna be set up to to move on from that core and and rebuild. And Mike McCarthy's volume of experien I think really helps him there. He of course was there in Green Bay when they went from from Brett Tharv to Aaron Rodgers. He really had a huge hand in developing Aaron Rodgers. And so, you know, if you're looking at a situation where you've got an older quarterback, and you know you're looking to turn the page in a lot of spots in your roster. I think you do a lot worse than Mike McCarthy. So McCarthy makes a lot of sense to me. Here's the other thing. I just think perception of McCarthy's kind of screwed up. What is resume next to Mike Tomlins. What's the difference?
Oh, I've said it before.
I think we just have this when we see Mike McCarthy, it doesn't scream head coach.
You look at Mike Tomlins.
I agree with you.
Physical appearance right, absolutely, Sean Payton, Oh, he looks like a head coach. Mike Tumblin looks like a head coach. John Harball head coach. Wait, who's that guy? I mean Andy Reid fought through this.
Yeah, where we.
Looked at Andy Reid and you're like, that looks like the kool aid guy, Like, he doesn't look like a coach. And I think McCarthy as well. The optics. But you know, I thought he was going to get a job, but I didn't know if it was going to be New Orleans. So that it feels like the game of me.
He was there Here's the other thing is like he worked with Mickey Loomis for five years and I do think like they wanted to be open minded there. And look, I think Joe Brady's a good candidate there too. He's another one like where you look at him. He's got experience with the franchise and everything else. But you know, I think our own personal experiences are are always a factor. And I think Mickey wants to get this one right. He understands he's at the end of his career and he's got a group of players that, like he liked to try to make at least maybe one more run with them before completely resetting. And I think McCarthy gives him the opportunity to do that as a guy that he worked with again for five years at the start of his time in New Orleans.
Always great to talk to you, No you're busy. We'll see you to be a super Bowl. Thank you, Eving, Absolutely, Thanks Dan.
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Let's bring in Sean Soulisbury, former NFL quarterback. Also he hosts the morning show on Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston. Good to talk to you again, Sean. Do you have an idea what the Cowboys are doing?
Yeah, they're being the Cowboys. Dan.
Think about this now, which you mentioned, and listen to what you're saying. Their inconsistency and lack of like proactive is exactly who they've been since the mid nineties.
And Jerry Dion notwithstanding.
If he pulls that off, it'll be because relationships and all that, But Jerry, Jerry would have fired himself fifteen times as the GM since the mid nineties.
Great Marketer, the best in the world. But the problem.
Is is that Jerry's never gonna let anybody come in there and be the face and the.
Voice of the building. He's just not.
And when you have that, you can't be a doctor and a lawyer in the same office. You got to be able to empower people to do it. So you're gonna get guys saying these guys aren't.
Good football coaches.
Brian Schottenheimer, Kellen Moore, Jason Garrett. You're gonna get guys who come in and are gonna say, I want this job, I don't need any other power, I want a head coach. Let me at least have a little autonomy to hire some of the guys we want.
But you make any decision you want.
It's not gonna be somebody with power that wants to run the building, not only the groceries, but also put it out there and be the guy in the hallway after the game that's doing.
The press conference.
As long as Jerry continues this, the Dallas Cowboys will be who they are a January if they're lucky team.
Yeah.
And I know that the Dion story, and you know that had legs for a while because it was the Cowboys and Dion, and I kept saying, I just don't know if it's real.
I still don't know if it's real. But I did see an article.
That said Colorado is upping its contract talks with.
What a coincidence?
Yeah, shocker.
Hey, if you're not really looking for the job, the best they can do is bring out the pro interest and you'll get paid.
But Dan real quick on that that's good for him. Hey, if you can get it, go get more money.
Sure, But the Dion talk, if Dion, there's a lot of familiarity there.
If Dion was going to get the Cowboys.
Gig and I mean, maybe it'd be awesome, wouldn't he already have it? What are you waiting for? This is who the Cowboys are. Wait till everybody's gone and they say, well, we're going to hire Dave Campo tomorrow, not the Dave camp wouldn't a good coach. But now Jerry still gets to be the loudest voice in the biggest face in the building.
That's not changing, Dan, regardless of everybody's wish.
Why does it the appearance that the Chiefs get more calls than anybody else? Why is that, whether it's based in fact or based in fiction, there is that perception, and there are numbers that show when they play their last eleven playoff games, they're ten to one, and the disparity between the penalties on them and the disparity on their opposition.
Well, Dan, whyatt seems like it is because it is? Right now.
I understand Bird and Jordan and Kobe and all the guys getting Lebron getting calls because they're superstars.
It doesn't mean that should be the case.
A goaltending calls A goaltending call in basketball, right should be no matter who the guy is blocking a shot in football? Why is it that the Brady's or or the Stars are supposed to get more calls in the backup? Hell, the backup needs more calls because he's not as good. There is that perception maybe they've earned ooh, a different look. When Tony Gwynn took a pitch umpires if they were sitting on the fence called at a ball, Well, it's Tony Gwynn, and I understand that similar feeling here.
I don't want to diminish because listen, you.
Could slice it and be as pissed as you want about the Chiefs and their success. They become the villain now because people are fatigued by them. But they know how to win. They're great, great situational football, even when it doesn't look pretty. When the time is right, they always make a play. And then every now and again you'll get a call that was a phantom call. And the perception is that's how they win all their games. That's not true. The Texans got their ass kick because they gave up eight sacks. They special teams was horrible and you let it. You know, the their offense with Kelsey do whatever they wanted, and the bonuses that you get a couple phantom calls on homes, you do have to go in knowing two or three times a game that will happen. So you're beating a twelfth man on plays. But I think we diminished the chiefs great play and situational greatness.
Because of a couple calls.
Would they help, Yeah, if you could get them back, and you need them going there, But that's not the reason they keep winning. They keep winning because they got more guts and stones at the right time than most of their opponents. But make no mistake, they do get superstar treatment and you and I both know it.
Okay, So moving forward, the NFL will do what in the sliding rule or protecting the quarterback or you know, And Mahomes is admitted that he's kind of flaunting this. Hey, I'm kind of getting out of bound, kind of getting that, oh I'm going to flop out of bounds or when you slide. The NFL does have It's not a crisis, but it certainly is the situation needs to be tended to.
My favorite is all quarterbacks hate to protect. They do, Dan, You've talked to them. Quarterbacks don't like the over protection. But I'll be damned. At the second they get a hit, their heads snap into the officials saying, aren't you gonna call that? And Mahomes is great at manipulating which the rules are allowing the little oki dokee by the sideline step and extend the ball. Know that you're over there slowing down. Maybe you'll get a hit, maybe you'll get the foul. And he would get it, so he's not dumb. He gets it. Dan. With all this talk, you know what they're gonna do, protect the quarterbacks and players more. That's what they're gonna do, because the lawsuits and oh my gosh, they're gonna tell you that they're gonna watch.
It a little better.
When all, when when all, you can never take an eight carrot diamond ring for your fiance and show her it, then go give her the one carrot cubic zirconya.
You just can't do it. And it's the same thing here. You're not gonna go here.
And all of a sudden, say let's back off on the injuries, even though we all know the rules suck. We overprotect. We've lost the integrity attackle football. And it adds to it when superstar quarterbacks have it the bottom line for me, Dan, I hate the feet first slide rule when you break out of the pocket. We have so many great runners at quarterback now that look at Jayden Daniels and Hurts and Allen and Jackson and Mahomes. These guys now are so good at not only manipulating the rules, but so good using being two dimensional players that why can't we go back to be smart in the open field like Elway had to do when he played with his feet or Steve Young get down? I hate I think that you're opening yourself up to more injuries and problems by keeping the feet first slide because of the ookie dope and defensive players. Every single rule on the planet is set up for points and a defensive player to get host.
I'm not sure how you approach a player.
Because the same guy that doesn't take a hit on an open a legal hit on a quarterback in the open field. You know what their coach says to him on Monday watching tape. Dan, keep doing that and you'll be looking for another job. Defenses get hosed. It's gotta change. I doubt it will, but it should. I can't stand the feet first slide when you leave that pocket. You become a football player like everybody else and do what everybody else has to do. Protect your damn self, or go stand on there and do what I did. Grab gatoray and hand it to the guy who's out there protecting himself.
Okay, you got to.
Give me the quarterback under the most pressure this weekend.
Well, just by playoff Pressure's sure? Not Jayden?
Dan is all How special to see Dan? Right, boy, the poise, everything that's been documented. I think there's you know, he's a rookie, so I hate the word. Well, he's on house money. You never know if you're going to get back. So it's not him. Jalen hurts the pressure to throw. If Philadelphia is a pressure pack city, and if they don't throw it, well that team they're playing can possibly make them one dimension leaving. As good as Barkley is, it's not Mahomes because well, he keeps piling him up. He's chasing Brady, He's got his He just wants more and he wants to be greedy and unt blame him. It's gotta be Josh Allen, even after the great season he's had. After all, he's the best player in Lamar Jackson not to win a major in the golf course, right Dan, It's got to be him. He's going on the road that we've seen this movie before, the expectations. He's played great, he's protected the ball, he's dressing in a phone booth every week, and he'll have to do it again. I think it falls on him because no matter what happens, even if he throws for four hundred and five touchdowns, if they lose, we're gonna walk off this field. And you know what we're gonna say, because that's how we do is yeah, can get you to January, but can't get you to February. Even if he plays like Superman this week, it falls back on him.
And people can he say yeah, but can he get you to February?
Which will not be fair, but it'll be because they can't win this game if he plays average. He's got to play great. Most of the pressure falls on him. One guy's too young. The other guy, I don't think we expect to throw for three hundred yards and Jalen hurts. It's one of these guys. And it's not Mahomes because he's got his It's all on Allen because he's got a Hall of fame career budding. He just doesn't have a Super Bowl ring and this would to some validate that for him.
Sean Salisbury, former NFL quarterback, host of the Sean Salisbury Shows Sports Talks.
Have in Houston.
I would argue and say it's Mahomes because everything he's doing is Brady. Yes, if you get there, you got to win. You don't know how long the gravy train lasts, and he could have a three peat which Tom never had. Now, all of a sudden, you're bringing in Michael Jordan. So if you're Mahomes, now, all of a sudden, we've gone outside of the sport and now we're bringing up the name, or I would Michael Jordan, who three peated twice.
He's the best winner in sports right now, Dan, in team sports, he really is. He's a best winner in team sports and it may not look pretty all the time, but he finds ways, which to me is a great trait. There are certain guys who find ways to lose. Mahomes finds ways to win, regardless of roster shifting and all that. But Dan and I think maybe we could even put in two verticals right. One is the pressure on Mahomes for the individual legacy chasing Brady three peat, the things that he hasn't done, and still things you got to accomplished to get to Brady's numbers, the wins and all that and that legacy. But there's also the other side that Mahomes and the team. If the Chiefs lose this game, I doubt that very few people are going to walk off saying man, the Kansas City Chiefs and Mahomes. That kind of takes some shine off mahomes career chasing, because even Brady lost some, he even lost them even in that undefeated season. So while there's pressure, I think for him that inner pressure of I'm keeping track, even though he won't tell you this, keeping track with the Brady chase that exists, the Jordan Chase, the Tiger Woods Chase. I do think that's relevant Dan and applies here. But as an overall team, I think the pressure of a city are expectations. Buffalo also having been to four in a row and even the great Jim Kelly, they didn't win one of those. I think that part when it comes to the team, adds the extra team pressure to Josh Allen and a guy who is so good, but hasn't been validated with the Super Bowl appearance.
Give me the hochho benefits the most from a Super Bowl win.
Well, we already know that Andy Reid's the best coaching football right now, and he's he's in a chase mode too. But I think we've already got him as he's a surefire, no brainer Hall of famer and.
He catch can he catch Belichick? We're talking about Mahomes so right, like it's a package deal that if one catches one, then the other one catches one.
Dan.
There's a lot of wins to go in that category, isn't there. You gotta be a little lucky to get to the Belichick shoela but canny.
Yeah, depends on how long Andy Reid wants to do it.
And if he has a guy that wears number fifteen's pretty good over the next decade, Yeah, I think. But he's got his ring now. That pressure existed when Andy came from Philly. It's not on it's not on Quinn. He's still you know, building his team.
Yeah, but he would be able to make up for twenty eight to three.
There is no doubt after being down to Brady himself that would be great validation. I think because of the pressure they've been there before last year, losing coordinators and everybody even had him at the beginning of the season. If they struggle, we're going to fire him. The Nick Sirianni thing and the pressure of Philly, I think that I'm gonna put it on him, and I think Sean McDermott as well in the AFC, you can pick six and one half dozen in the other because he too has had really good teams. They've knocked on the door and have been there at least Syrian he's been to his and Plus you know McDermott's going against the guy who was his mentor and the guy who had him on his coaching staff in Philadelphia. So probably it's Buffalo Philly for sure. I don't think it exists other than the inter fight for Dan Quinn. But Andy Reid.
There's always pressure. It's on all of them.
But Andy Reid's career is not going to be diminished, or we're not going to say, yeah, he's not Belichick if he loses a Super Bowl or doesn't get there.
Good to talk to you as always, Sean, Thanks for joining us.
Great to talk to you. Dan appreciate you and enjoy.
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That'll be coming up February fifth, and location is Tippittine is in New Orleans. Information on the tickets can be found on Danpatrick dot com across our social media platforms. Dan Interviews, Dan Levittard and vice Versa. Levittard will join us here momentarily. We'll talk about situation with the Miami Heat. This is gotten to the brink. This is a push to shove out the door. And the question is where Jimmy Butler lands going to be suspended once again? Eight seven seven three DP show email address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show Todd. Why are you sending me a picture right now?
I said it during the break, Okay, I.
Just saw it. So it's during the show you sent me a picture.
Okay.
I was going to send that after the show, but I.
Just okay, okay, but I'm doing the show and then you send me, so you send me an email. I think it might have something to do with this final hour.
Which it should. You would think it would be for something like that.
Okay, he sends me a picture of a woman on a game show last night last night, he says, super cute and then.
Her name, And I think I've seen the show before, Like.
My wife has seen the show. I have not seen the show. I don't think anybody in here has.
Seen the show.
It's a very good show, The Marvelous Missus masl very fun show.
So Rachel, she was one of the celebrity contestants on Jeopardy with Seth Green and Margaret Schoe.
Okay, and I was just taken the back. How does this help our show?
It does not, But because we do pop culture things and went at that X's and o's the type of sports show, and we talk about music and other but.
This isn't for the show.
It is not for the show unless you want it.
But but we do pop culture, so it's kind.
Of for the show.
But Rachel Brosnahan is beautiful, and I was just I couldn't stop watching.
And I have no idea what the clues.
Were or who was taken a back.
Oh I almost thought she was pretty, but like a reason last night, and then I happened to mention it to my wife.
She didnt appreciate it.
But why didn't you send it to everybody? If our show is about pop culture and we could all share it, I could have, but.
I sent it to you because I thought maybe you'd make a guessing game out of it. Who does Fritzy have a crush on? From Celebrity Jeopardy last night?
Or something? Then they can kind of weigh in. Sometimes you like to make a little game thing out of it.
Oh man, I was really hoping we would play that game today too, Who does Todd have a crush on? From Celebrity Jeopardy last night?
And I thought you had seen it so that you'd appreciate it.
No, I don't hope we would do that. I don't watch Jeopardy. I don't want it.
But we can play the game of who else you have a crush on? But it's always local anchor women.
Jessica Alba and the God.
Jessica Alba gets separated from her husband and Todd goes, hey, I got.
Shore to hear the news.
I go what he goes? Jessica Alba getting separated, go Todd?
I got a hall pass from the wife and actually brought that up. If you think you could make something like remotely happen and go.
For Does anybody have a hall pass aside from Todd, like an actual hall pass?
I think it's right located right next to the divorce.
Yeah, a whole pass.
I put it in my katuba.
Look the little Hebrew agreement to the legal binding green when you get married. That said, unless Jessica Albert is involved in the mix and then you get passed.
How do you think she would react to this and just saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh I can wait.
Wait, Todd's got a whole pass? Are you kidding?
Why? May be one of the reasons why there's a separation.
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Don't you believe in manifesting things if you believe something or not.
I believe in manifest destiny. That's what I believe in, whatever that means. Uh So we'll talk to Levitard here in a moment. The Jets get Aaron Glenn. He at least knows what he's walking into, and I think that this is a good hire for somebody who knows what he's getting into. A lot of upside there paid his dues, and I think that they got a really good candidate here. The Bears introduced Ben Johnson. All I wanted to see or hear was his personality, and I thought he had a good line. He said, Hey, NFC North, you got to deal with Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell, and I gotta be really honest, I enjoyed beating Matt Lafleur twice a year. I don't know if everybody laughed when he said that, because we did talk about this is the forced laughter press conference where you introduce him. Local media's there when he delivered the line. I didn't hear laughter, and I thought it was a good line. But Ben Johnson is in town ready to go with the Chicago Bears. See you still have the Cowboys, Jags, Raiders, Saints that are open for business. Final hour poll question is going to be what seton?
Well, let me update you. We kind of left the audience hanging a little oh earlier. Oh yeah, who's coaching legacy changes more with a Super Bowl win this season, Andy Reid, Steve Spagnolo, Dan Quinn, Sean McDermott, Nick Sirianni or Kellen.
Moore throwing in coordinator.
Yeah, right now, we've got I think, for the first time ever, a three way tie. Oh Okay, Andy Reid, Dan Quinn, and Sean McDermott are all tied.
Okay for first I think you could make a case for all of them. How about that?
All right?
We mentioned a little bit last hour, the mess that is Jimmy Butler in the Miami heat. What about that heat culture? They have a heat culture. Dan Lebotard, host of Metal Lark Media's The Dan LeBatard Show with Stu Gotts, the voice of Miami Sports. Mister Miami. You look at that face and you see Miami. Good morning, Dan.
You look at that face and you see empty calories.
I'm offended and I'm hurt, and I'm a little bit sensitive, okay, because I do everything I can.
To curry favor with you.
I send you no gifts that get put foot in a backfridge during the holidays, and that doesn't get seen for several days. And you only call me when there's some sort of mess in Miami where someone's pooping on the floor, or what needs to happen that I get a phone call from you and your show at one point during my show. That isn't you just calling to laugh at me because of something that you think should embarrass me about Miami sports.
I'm not here to embarrass you.
I'm here to have you enlighten us on what this means for heat culture. Jimmy Butler, your good friend pat Riley, Hall of Fame coach in waiting, Eric Spolstra, what.
Is going on?
Okay, I will say that you call me when the offensive line coach is doing blowoff his desk.
That is true, idees, that is no.
I know it's true. It's every time something like this. But okay, I will. I will entertain you coming and dining on. Let's laugh at the Miami things. This is a mess. Unlike any in pat Riley's career. He now suffers from the thing that you know they benefited greatly from from twenty ten to twenty fourteen, which is the player taking over.
The league with his power. And you've got a mess. Stan.
The most interesting part of this to meet today is you have a legend and ego at the top of the sport that is a dinosaur where he regards authority, and he is fully capable of making this a very unpleasant workplace filled with pettinesses that will suspend Jimmy Butler for the act of embarrassing him and his way in public. So it is rare that the superstar is met with someone with the ego power and job stability to say, Okay, you want to fight about this, I'm going to make your next couple of months really unpleasant.
But if the end result is going to be trading him, I'm guessing I don't think they can coexist.
Why not it?
Now like is Riley extracting something from Jimmy Butler to say, all right, I'm gonna make you pay for a little while and then I'll give you what you want.
I don't know the answer that question because it's a very private organization. Pat Riley's job is to get the best deal for Jimmy Butler.
Pat Riley is petty enough, I believe to be like all things being pretty close to equal. Yeah, I'll take some of.
Those players I get wherever it is in Utah that I get them, and I might send you for a couple of weeks to a place you don't really want to go, because go bleep yourself.
He could send him to Toronto.
I saw eight trade scenarios, and I didn't think that was possible in even my hypothetical imagination, given what it is that we're talking about, but there is. Look, I have watched this for many years. I once thought that Juwan Howard's contract was untradeable. There is no such thing evidently in this.
But if it's Jimmy Butler for Bradley Beal.
It's the two most difficult contracts to trade in the sport. There are no untradeable ones, but well.
There is one.
In Bradley Beal's case, that's no trade he's got to agree with it.
And in Jimmy Butler's case that.
Malcontent demanding extension at thirty five when he's already making forty million and can opt into fifty million.
It's an interesting.
Scenario to watch play out Dan that Jimmy Butler is willing to torch what was his relationship with the Heat fan base in a way that Damian Lillard wasn't willing to do. Otherwise we might not be talking about any of this because they actually got Jimmy Butler.
The help that he's wanted for a while.
But I keep wondering how this started that whether it was they didn't trade for pieces with the Miami Heat, or Jimmy's getting to the point where I'm worth more than this. This is my last chance for a contract. Which one is it?
Of those two?
The greatest reason for divorce and the end of love is always money. It's number one.
It's when you look at.
Divorces, money finances is the number one reason. Given It's also I've said this, divorce is the number one reason.
That love turns to hate.
And when you start mixing business with this stuff, all of a sudden, everybody gets in their feelings and gets hurt. When you ask about help for the Miami Heat, Dan, I could say that this is a team and a culture of maximum overachievers, and Tyler Hero and Bam Autebayo and Jimmy Butler all at the ceilings of whatever is possible for their skill set. And that made a Jimmy Butler better than any of us thought he was. Because I'm guessing you're a sports expert. When Jimmy Butler got here, neither you nor I thought he could be the number one player on a team that would get to the final or close to the finals, and that happened here. And then you get into the Belichick Brady stuff of who's responsible for it, who gets the credit for this, who gets the money for this? Hey, Jimmy, why is it that you were the best Jimmy here that there ever was? Pat Riley would say, well, I'm the reason for that. I'm the reason that Lebron was the best Lebron here. I'm the reason that Dwayne Wade was the best Dwayne Wade here. I'm the reason that Tyler Hero and Bam Autebayo on everyone is overachiever. I'd ask you this question, actually, Dan, what other basketball franchise do you feel like you have empirical proof they make players better in a way that's obvious. Organizationally, they take players who aren't all that good, and all of a sudden I see them be better than they actually have ever been. Well, I don't have I don't have a lot of answers as to who comes second there.
But that's what I don't understand that why wouldn't Jimmy want to stay in an organization that makes him better unless he feels like he's got as good as he can get there now he wants to get out to get that last contract.
Yeah, it's just dollars. But I've stopped during the last fifteen years Dan of totally understanding some things about the player empowerment movement, like the following. For example, I think it would be a great deal of fun to dominate basketball with my friends, the people I care about the most. But Kevin Durant got tired of Draymond Green after four years when they made it really easy to play basketball. You're a basketball player, you love basketball. You're also a team player. You're somebody who's always gotten along with egos that you have to interact with. How would it go for you if I told you, hey, Dan, here's four years of total dominance. It's going to be the most beautiful basketball you've ever seen. You get to pass to Stephan Clay, you gotta play with Draymond. But it's gonna be easy, the easiest thing in the world to be dominant. Would you get bored with that after four years? If winning was the goal? No, Why did the heat thing blow up after four years with everyone tired at about it? And why are you, Donnis Haslam and Mike Miller saying after the fact, there was no joy in that. For me, that wasn't fun. It was just all expectations pressure. I didn't like to go to work. The fun was when we got the parade. But I didn't like fighting with everybody. I don't get it, Dan. I thought the point if you were going to get together with your friends to win and then one I thought that that was the point, But it's not always the point.
Money gets in the way of that.
I feel like I riled you up here. I didn't mean to rile you up.
I just wanted to give our audience a better understanding of maybe behind the curtain here. But I do like you riled up. You're like I like riles, and I like you riled up.
You do it on purpose.
You're a professional agitator disguised as a professional pillar.
It's infuriating, thank you. It's something.
Yeah, well, but you've got the masses full to everybody see, they don't see the dark undercurrents beneath the statuesque perfection that is your television broadcasting.
Thank you, Well, it'll be on display in New Orleans. Segue, that'll be February fifth. It'll be Dan interviewing dat more of this. People are going to be able to have more of this in New Orleans. Tickets are still available a Dan Patrick dot com and the location Tippatinas in New Orleans.
Thank you.
I'm very excited to do this with you, and I will say for you because I've told you I want you to write a book. I want people to know more about your career. I want people to know yet more about you than even your audience knows, and they've gotten to know you over the last twenty years.
Is there going to be an open bar at this den? I mean I think I'm gonna need it.
Uh, You're going to endure this.
You're going to suffer this with me, just because it's just going to be me showering you and compliments the whole time as you make me.
Feel less than. Oh look how it delights him. Look how me being less than delightsim.
Hey, my best to your staff.
And they're they're there. There's some turmoil here right now with my staff. Did not like so much that this was just a Dan and Dan appearance.
I just needed you. I didn't need people in parrot outfits. Or Stu Gott's promoting his book, or Mike Ryan telling me whatever he wants to tell like I didn't. I didn't need that. This is just me and you. You've called you guys are quiet. My guys never go hey, what about us? We need to talk right.
You have caused me a great many problems with this group of people by insisting that.
You boo they want to be on your show, Dan, I didn't have the dan etsa on during this segment.
They're not complaining, they're professionals.
I'm like, gotten a couple of weeks.
Shut up, Tom, shout out Dan. I'll see you.
I'll see you in a week or so, week and a half or so.
I'm looking forward to this Wednesday, February fifth, seven pm. By the time I finished this sentence, that's going to be close to sold out. So people need to need to get over to Danpatrick dot com or Tippotinas dot com.
It's gonna be fun, Dan. Thank you,
