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Radio John Shier the third season dukead basketball coach moving into the Final four. You've been there as a player, You've been there as an assistant coach. What's it like to be there as a head coach?

Radio John Shier the third season dukead basketball coach moving into the Final four. You've been there as a player, You've been there as an assistant coach. What's it like to be there as a head coach?

Dan, Well, it's great to be with you. You know it couldn't be more excited about this opportunity. I'll feel it, you know, I'll feel it in person in San Antonio, But to be honest with you, it feels surreal, you know, like it's the promised Land. Obviously we're hungry for more, but couldn't be more excited by this opportunity.

Dan, Well, it's great to be with you. You know it couldn't be more excited about this opportunity. I'll feel it, you know, I'll feel it in person in San Antonio, But to be honest with you, it feels surreal, you know, like it's the promised Land. Obviously we're hungry for more, but couldn't be more excited by this opportunity.

You always want to be the guy who follows, the guy who follows the legend. I'll go back to John Wooden, and you know you didn't get that. You've got the opportunity to coach, but you're following the legend. In Mike Ryzewski, I don't know if you did research or talk to people who were the ones following the legend as opposed to following the person following the legend.

You always want to be the guy who follows, the guy who follows the legend. I'll go back to John Wooden, and you know you didn't get that. You've got the opportunity to coach, but you're following the legend. In Mike Ryzewski, I don't know if you did research or talk to people who were the ones following the legend as opposed to following the person following the legend.

Well, you know what, Dan, I did more research on successions then, uh, I think you can imagine you know, especially in sport, right, but even in business.

Well, you know what, Dan, I did more research on successions then, uh, I think you can imagine you know, especially in sport, right, but even in business.

Uh.

Uh.

And I tried to find connections about you know, really why you know others weren't as successful and what went wrong and because in most cases it wasn't about what went right. You know, it's it's been, it's been very difficult, And I think the first and most important thing I found was to be really connected with you know, the former coach or the transition and for me, you know the fact that Coach K and I are still.

And I tried to find connections about you know, really why you know others weren't as successful and what went wrong and because in most cases it wasn't about what went right. You know, it's it's been, it's been very difficult, And I think the first and most important thing I found was to be really connected with you know, the former coach or the transition and for me, you know the fact that Coach K and I are still.

As close as could be and the succession.

As close as could be and the succession.

Me and him were so connected about what had to change and what had to improve.

Me and him were so connected about what had to change and what had to improve.

And what I had to do. But then obviously you're not gonna win if you try to be somebody else.

And what I had to do. But then obviously you're not gonna win if you try to be somebody else.

And so I had to come to terms very quickly with I'm not coach K, not gonna try to be him.

And so I had to come to terms very quickly with I'm not coach K, not gonna try to be him.

I'm not gonna try to coach like him. I'm gonna I'm gonna be myself.

I'm not gonna try to coach like him. I'm gonna I'm gonna be myself.

And wherever that takes us, you know, I can live with at the end of the day, because that's the only way I'm going to succeed.

And wherever that takes us, you know, I can live with at the end of the day, because that's the only way I'm going to succeed.

Is there a new philosophy in how to build a team in college basketball? You guys might be the anomaly. You got three freshmen who are going to be lottery picks. But you're seeing a lot of these teams that a couple of freshmen, but it's really about getting these you know, transfer guys or guys who are going to stay for three or four years.

Is there a new philosophy in how to build a team in college basketball? You guys might be the anomaly. You got three freshmen who are going to be lottery picks. But you're seeing a lot of these teams that a couple of freshmen, but it's really about getting these you know, transfer guys or guys who are going to stay for three or four years.

Yeah, I think it has changed a lot.

Yeah, I think it has changed a lot.

I think the biggest difference is now you have to build your team based on year to year.

I think the biggest difference is now you have to build your team based on year to year.

You know, it's and look, it's.

You know, it's and look, it's.

When I played, this is only fifteen years ago. When I played the starting lineup in my group, we had over one hundred starting game, over one hundred games together. And look the team we're playing in Houston. Houston has great experience together. But for the most part, it is year to year. I think for me, the challenge is trying to find some level of continuity, which I think still can be done in a different way. We're still bringing in really talented, already made players that we develop over the course of the year and have big expectations like the guys you you know you had mentioned as freshman now, but I think we do it our own way, and that's what I'm proud of. You know, I think it's not going to be cookie Cutter, we need this amount of transfers, returners, freshmen. I think it's based on the level of readiness that the freshmen we recruit have and then also the returners we can possibly bring back. And I think as you look at our roster, Dan, the combination of the Seon James, the Malik Browns, the Mason Gillis, with the Tyrees, Proctor and Caleb Foster, well that helps the freshmen having some level of experience with them.

When I played, this is only fifteen years ago. When I played the starting lineup in my group, we had over one hundred starting game, over one hundred games together. And look the team we're playing in Houston. Houston has great experience together. But for the most part, it is year to year. I think for me, the challenge is trying to find some level of continuity, which I think still can be done in a different way. We're still bringing in really talented, already made players that we develop over the course of the year and have big expectations like the guys you you know you had mentioned as freshman now, but I think we do it our own way, and that's what I'm proud of. You know, I think it's not going to be cookie Cutter, we need this amount of transfers, returners, freshmen. I think it's based on the level of readiness that the freshmen we recruit have and then also the returners we can possibly bring back. And I think as you look at our roster, Dan, the combination of the Seon James, the Malik Browns, the Mason Gillis, with the Tyrees, Proctor and Caleb Foster, well that helps the freshmen having some level of experience with them.

How would you do against Proctor in a shooting contest?

How would you do against Proctor in a shooting contest?

I would beat them, beat me in the game, but I'm gonna beat any of our guys still, I think, Dan.

I would beat them, beat me in the game, but I'm gonna beat any of our guys still, I think, Dan.

How do you coach a freshman as opposed to a junior senior.

How do you coach a freshman as opposed to a junior senior.

I just think for these guys there's a level of that they need to always hear the truth.

I just think for these guys there's a level of that they need to always hear the truth.

You have to hit them right between the eyes. But also at the.

You have to hit them right between the eyes. But also at the.

Same time, you have to give them a really good confidence because they're going through something they've never experienced before.

Same time, you have to give them a really good confidence because they're going through something they've never experienced before.

You know, even I'm like, I'm so impressed with the maturity these guys have.

You know, even I'm like, I'm so impressed with the maturity these guys have.

Playing in my first NCAA tournament game and I remember how I felt, and these guys haven't acted like it's.

Playing in my first NCAA tournament game and I remember how I felt, and these guys haven't acted like it's.

How did you feel.

How did you feel.

I felt, you know, jittery, you know, I felt, you know, pressure.

I felt, you know, jittery, you know, I felt, you know, pressure.

You know.

You know.

We are six seed playing Vcus an eleven seed, and you just I think there's a tendency then to when you're the higher seed, to play not to lose instead of playing to win. And so I've tried to just ingrain in them from day one in the preseason of being the hunters, you know, not the hunted, and just going after this thing.

We are six seed playing Vcus an eleven seed, and you just I think there's a tendency then to when you're the higher seed, to play not to lose instead of playing to win. And so I've tried to just ingrain in them from day one in the preseason of being the hunters, you know, not the hunted, and just going after this thing.

And they've embraced that and they've done that.

And they've embraced that and they've done that.

But I think with the freshmen, just to continue to give them confidence at the same time of trying to prepare them for things that they hadn't seen before.

But I think with the freshmen, just to continue to give them confidence at the same time of trying to prepare them for things that they hadn't seen before.

And that's what I've tried to do.

And that's what I've tried to do.

He's Duke's head coach John Shier joining us on the program. Take me back to the Butler National title game when you want Gordon Hayward wasn't your guy? Was he you were?

He's Duke's head coach John Shier joining us on the program. Take me back to the Butler National title game when you want Gordon Hayward wasn't your guy? Was he you were?

He wasn't my guy in terms of me guarding him?

He wasn't my guy in terms of me guarding him?

Yeah, yeah, I was ahead on the play that he got the left. So I think people always think about last half court shot, which is right.

Yeah, yeah, I was ahead on the play that he got the left. So I think people always think about last half court shot, which is right.

There, the one before that he had.

There, the one before that he had.

We were under out of bounds, we were up by one and he had an isolation play at the top of the key and he ended up shooting about like a fifteen footer from the baseline.

We were under out of bounds, we were up by one and he had an isolation play at the top of the key and he ended up shooting about like a fifteen footer from the baseline.

I thought it was going in, Dan, I was right under the basket.

I thought it was going in, Dan, I was right under the basket.

It just probably if it's an inch shorter or it goes in, it goes long. So that shot, to me, was the one that scared me. I was already thinking about the how we were gonna win with the timeout or what we were going to do.

It just probably if it's an inch shorter or it goes in, it goes long. So that shot, to me, was the one that scared me. I was already thinking about the how we were gonna win with the timeout or what we were going to do.

But the half court shot was.

But the half court shot was.

Something I'll never forget, and I just I felt to hiss off with the last second. I was ahead on the play, but but thank god he missed it.

Something I'll never forget, and I just I felt to hiss off with the last second. I was ahead on the play, but but thank god he missed it.

If he hit that shot, he becomes Latner.

If he hit that shot, he becomes Latner.

Yeah, you know what, And probably I don't know if I'm the head coach to Duke.

Yeah, you know what, And probably I don't know if I'm the head coach to Duke.

I don't know if I think the whole I think my.

I don't know if I think the whole I think my.

Whole life is.

Whole life is.

I think there's a lot of things that could be different from from from that shot.

I think there's a lot of things that could be different from from from that shot.

But do you explain to your kids. And I don't know if you feel this, but the Latner years, even JJ Reddick, people hated Duke. Yeah, it doesn't feel that way. This is this is a team that people may root for. Maybe not root against, but they're not, you know, they're they're like, hey, Cooper Flag looks great. I mean, you got it seems like a fun team. They play, you know, great offense and defense. Are you guys embraceable?

But do you explain to your kids. And I don't know if you feel this, but the Latner years, even JJ Reddick, people hated Duke. Yeah, it doesn't feel that way. This is this is a team that people may root for. Maybe not root against, but they're not, you know, they're they're like, hey, Cooper Flag looks great. I mean, you got it seems like a fun team. They play, you know, great offense and defense. Are you guys embraceable?

I share, hope so.

I share, hope so.

And look, it's funny because I think we are always in brain. But like you said, I think it's a.

And look, it's funny because I think we are always in brain. But like you said, I think it's a.

Different feeling, and I can't explain why that is.

Different feeling, and I can't explain why that is.

I hope it's the fact that you have a group of really talented players that really embrace playing the right way.

I hope it's the fact that you have a group of really talented players that really embrace playing the right way.

You know.

You know.

It's led to some beautiful offense and they're tough, you know, like they're not afraid of anything. So I think that combination maybe has been received well. But again not JJ Reddick.

It's led to some beautiful offense and they're tough, you know, like they're not afraid of anything. So I think that combination maybe has been received well. But again not JJ Reddick.

Was the same.

Was the same.

I want. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.

I want. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.

Have you had the conversation with Cooper Flag about coming back?

Have you had the conversation with Cooper Flag about coming back?

No, okay?

No, okay?

Just is there going to be a conversation?

Just is there going to be a conversation?

No?

No?

Okay.

Okay.

Although I can dream about that, yes you can, I just you know, I think that's all it is.

Although I can dream about that, yes you can, I just you know, I think that's all it is.

In this case.

In this case.

I think it's a dream.

I think it's a dream.

And uh, I think he's got to take the next dream in his life and be the topic in the NBA Draft and start his professional career.

And uh, I think he's got to take the next dream in his life and be the topic in the NBA Draft and start his professional career.

Before I let you go, remember two to Steve Nash and he said during his career with Phoenix, coaches told him he was too unselfish. There are times where I see Cooper flag maybe too unselfish. The Phoenix Suns had to tell Steve Nash to shoot more. Is Cooper Flagg sort of in that it seems like he's really really engaged to get everybody involved. And maybe I'm not going to say the detriment you're hit the final four, but are there times when you want him to be a little more selfish.

Before I let you go, remember two to Steve Nash and he said during his career with Phoenix, coaches told him he was too unselfish. There are times where I see Cooper flag maybe too unselfish. The Phoenix Suns had to tell Steve Nash to shoot more. Is Cooper Flagg sort of in that it seems like he's really really engaged to get everybody involved. And maybe I'm not going to say the detriment you're hit the final four, but are there times when you want him to be a little more selfish.

I think you hit the nail on the head with him, Dan, because he's part of is what makes him so special is him bringing along as teammates and his feel for his passing. It is an incredible weapon for our team. But also he can want to defer at times to get them going and wor at our best. He's at our best when he's in complete attack mode. Teammates will get shots from that. But that's something I have to It's probably the biggest thing we have to get on him about and just making sure he's not deferring and continually just looking to dominate which he can.

I think you hit the nail on the head with him, Dan, because he's part of is what makes him so special is him bringing along as teammates and his feel for his passing. It is an incredible weapon for our team. But also he can want to defer at times to get them going and wor at our best. He's at our best when he's in complete attack mode. Teammates will get shots from that. But that's something I have to It's probably the biggest thing we have to get on him about and just making sure he's not deferring and continually just looking to dominate which he can.

Good luck in the final four. John, great to connect with you again. Thank you, thanks for having me. Appreciate you and so John Shire.

Good luck in the final four. John, great to connect with you again. Thank you, thanks for having me. Appreciate you and so John Shire.

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Seth Greenberg of the Mothership. What a busy guy. He was the two time ACC Coach of the Year at Virginia Tech. Where are those awards.

Seth Greenberg of the Mothership. What a busy guy. He was the two time ACC Coach of the Year at Virginia Tech. Where are those awards.

In my office?

In my office?

Behind behind my desk somewhere?

Behind behind my desk somewhere?

Okay, do you proudly display those and like, hey, come on into my office. Look what I got. Like if I go into Coach K's office, you know I get to see national championship trophies.

Okay, do you proudly display those and like, hey, come on into my office. Look what I got. Like if I go into Coach K's office, you know I get to see national championship trophies.

Well, I mean, I'm not coach K, but I do have twos you see coaching the Year, and what I do is a FaceTime from my office. I showed them prominently along with the wins against Duke in Carolina.

Well, I mean, I'm not coach K, but I do have twos you see coaching the Year, and what I do is a FaceTime from my office. I showed them prominently along with the wins against Duke in Carolina.

What was your record against Duke?

What was your record against Duke?

Was six?

Was six?

And what were you against Dean Smith?

And what were you against Dean Smith?

I mean to coach against Stean, I'm not that old. I coached against Roy. I think I had three wins against Roy one of them was actually when they were number one in the country at Kansas. It was weird. I my teams we had four wins against number ones and they were all on the road, which is kind of bizarre.

I mean to coach against Stean, I'm not that old. I coached against Roy. I think I had three wins against Roy one of them was actually when they were number one in the country at Kansas. It was weird. I my teams we had four wins against number ones and they were all on the road, which is kind of bizarre.

Explain to me the role that coaching plays now as opposed to maybe earlier in the tournament or during the regular season.

Explain to me the role that coaching plays now as opposed to maybe earlier in the tournament or during the regular season.

You know, everyone's gonna say this experience have a factor comes in Final four. People have been through it, understand it. Had an experience of dealing with all the requests and media and kind of finding a balancing point for the preparation. I think coaching has an impact every time of the year. What are you gonna get, what are you gonna take away? You know you're not gonna reinvent yourself in the n C andm by tournament. How you get your guys to understand what's the essence of what you have to do to win, and then making sure you're managing the hardest thing on four As an assistant coach at eighty four with coachalent Is managing all the obligations and keeping the guys focused, It's great. It's unique. You got you know, police sports. You know you're practicing in front of twenty five thousand people, you've got eight thousand people that want tickets. Managing all that so you can stay focused on what's most important the game and the very best figure out all right, how do we get laser focused on the things that are most important? And now it's even harder with social media, with agents, with workout gurus, with all the other obligations uh that players are asked. And then also like some of these guys might end up transferred at the end of the front of four.

You know, everyone's gonna say this experience have a factor comes in Final four. People have been through it, understand it. Had an experience of dealing with all the requests and media and kind of finding a balancing point for the preparation. I think coaching has an impact every time of the year. What are you gonna get, what are you gonna take away? You know you're not gonna reinvent yourself in the n C andm by tournament. How you get your guys to understand what's the essence of what you have to do to win, and then making sure you're managing the hardest thing on four As an assistant coach at eighty four with coachalent Is managing all the obligations and keeping the guys focused, It's great. It's unique. You got you know, police sports. You know you're practicing in front of twenty five thousand people, you've got eight thousand people that want tickets. Managing all that so you can stay focused on what's most important the game and the very best figure out all right, how do we get laser focused on the things that are most important? And now it's even harder with social media, with agents, with workout gurus, with all the other obligations uh that players are asked. And then also like some of these guys might end up transferred at the end of the front of four.

I was talking to John Shier last hour about that that the blueprint it feels like has changed where you have the blue bloods are taking away the mid majors, good players to prevent the you know, the mid majors from making these Cinderella runs. They're already it's kind of circumventing the system there a little bit. Instead of waiting for this, they ca them in and grab those players. And we're seeing less freshmen impact the tournament other than duke. And it feels like now it's you know, maybe sophomores, juniors and seniors. Is this is this what we should be expecting in years to come, one.

I was talking to John Shier last hour about that that the blueprint it feels like has changed where you have the blue bloods are taking away the mid majors, good players to prevent the you know, the mid majors from making these Cinderella runs. They're already it's kind of circumventing the system there a little bit. Instead of waiting for this, they ca them in and grab those players. And we're seeing less freshmen impact the tournament other than duke. And it feels like now it's you know, maybe sophomores, juniors and seniors. Is this is this what we should be expecting in years to come, one.

Hundred percent this is the future one hundred percent. Look how old the Duke Look how old uh the Auburn team is. You're starting on it. There's a twenty five year old, a twenty three year old, a twenty four year old. Uh, you can got one freshman Auburn, Todd Petterford, You've got three freshmen. Basically at Duke, you don't have another freshman. You've got every single team. Look look at Florida's team. They got four MiG major transfers that are having a huge impact on their team. So this is the future, you know, with an iol with the transfer portal, and that's why, in a lot of ways, this is the way it's going to be. But we've got to get guidelines and we just have to and we've got to have contracts, and we've got to have incentives. And the other thing we've got to do is we've got to eventually put education back into this thing. Also, Like you've got guys dreads for three or four times, it's going to impact graduation. We've got to have incentives for academic progress, retention, graduation, community service along with along with obviously team success and then maybe some individual success. We've got to base salaries we've got to find a way to get this thing back. And I'm all for the players making money, that's not they but we've got to have some like maybe one. College basketball is a professional sport right now, That's what it is. It's a professional sport. Name a professional sport that has year to year free agency.

Hundred percent this is the future one hundred percent. Look how old the Duke Look how old uh the Auburn team is. You're starting on it. There's a twenty five year old, a twenty three year old, a twenty four year old. Uh, you can got one freshman Auburn, Todd Petterford, You've got three freshmen. Basically at Duke, you don't have another freshman. You've got every single team. Look look at Florida's team. They got four MiG major transfers that are having a huge impact on their team. So this is the future, you know, with an iol with the transfer portal, and that's why, in a lot of ways, this is the way it's going to be. But we've got to get guidelines and we just have to and we've got to have contracts, and we've got to have incentives. And the other thing we've got to do is we've got to eventually put education back into this thing. Also, Like you've got guys dreads for three or four times, it's going to impact graduation. We've got to have incentives for academic progress, retention, graduation, community service along with along with obviously team success and then maybe some individual success. We've got to base salaries we've got to find a way to get this thing back. And I'm all for the players making money, that's not they but we've got to have some like maybe one. College basketball is a professional sport right now, That's what it is. It's a professional sport. Name a professional sport that has year to year free agency.

I don't think any well, the owners might allow it to happen that because they, yes, they don't want it to end.

I don't think any well, the owners might allow it to happen that because they, yes, they don't want it to end.

And people say, well, coaches can go anytime they want. I agree, coaches go any time they want. And you see a lot of coaches go from mid major to high major. Sey Kevin Willard go from Maryland to Villanova.

And people say, well, coaches can go anytime they want. I agree, coaches go any time they want. And you see a lot of coaches go from mid major to high major. Sey Kevin Willard go from Maryland to Villanova.

Just a week.

Just a week.

And that's true. And what do coaches have in their contracts? They have to they have two way security. They've got guaranteed if they get fired. But they also have buyouts. And I actually think the part of the contracts with the players needs to be a buyout. I don't care who pays it. Player can pay it. The school that's trying to get the kid can pay it. But if we have buyouts and it's two ways and we have two year contracts, we can get some continuity in the game.

And that's true. And what do coaches have in their contracts? They have to they have two way security. They've got guaranteed if they get fired. But they also have buyouts. And I actually think the part of the contracts with the players needs to be a buyout. I don't care who pays it. Player can pay it. The school that's trying to get the kid can pay it. But if we have buyouts and it's two ways and we have two year contracts, we can get some continuity in the game.

All four number one seeds reach the final four second time that that happened two thousand and eight, the only other time good thing for the tournament or a bad thing.

All four number one seeds reach the final four second time that that happened two thousand and eight, the only other time good thing for the tournament or a bad thing.

This year a very good thing because those four teams have separated themselves all season. Low all these four teams that I think I'm not mistaking the bid number one in the country. This is the future riving about all four number ones. But the one number ones beat the number twos. You saw what happened to Tennessee. You saw what happened in Michigan State.

This year a very good thing because those four teams have separated themselves all season. Low all these four teams that I think I'm not mistaking the bid number one in the country. This is the future riving about all four number ones. But the one number ones beat the number twos. You saw what happened to Tennessee. You saw what happened in Michigan State.

Yeah, I do.

Yeah, I do.

I think it's good on good. You can see the best players playing against each other. You can see the best teams who've earned it with their body of work throughout the season playing against each other. You're not just going to see a sindal or Ella who gets out. We don't have that many Cinderellas. We have them in the first round of second round. There are very few vcus and Loyola's. That doesn't happen very often. And I look at upsets. You if you have a one in the three and they're major conferences and they teams have beaten other high level teams, it's no big thing. But this year and the last time most of the four number ones, it was in San Antonio. Also this year, these four teams have separated themselves throughout the season. Their body of work said that, you know, let's see good on good. Let's see great defense in Houston and great offense and defense in Duke. Let's see Jane I Broome having as Willis Reed type moment coming out of the locker room, you know, and making that and making that three you know against you know, a Florida team with Walter Clayton absolutely just took over two games. At the end of the game. I actually think it's we have a great final four.

I think it's good on good. You can see the best players playing against each other. You can see the best teams who've earned it with their body of work throughout the season playing against each other. You're not just going to see a sindal or Ella who gets out. We don't have that many Cinderellas. We have them in the first round of second round. There are very few vcus and Loyola's. That doesn't happen very often. And I look at upsets. You if you have a one in the three and they're major conferences and they teams have beaten other high level teams, it's no big thing. But this year and the last time most of the four number ones, it was in San Antonio. Also this year, these four teams have separated themselves throughout the season. Their body of work said that, you know, let's see good on good. Let's see great defense in Houston and great offense and defense in Duke. Let's see Jane I Broome having as Willis Reed type moment coming out of the locker room, you know, and making that and making that three you know against you know, a Florida team with Walter Clayton absolutely just took over two games. At the end of the game. I actually think it's we have a great final four.

Seth Greenberg, ESPN College basketball analysts. Let me go back to Walter Clayton junior. I am a big proponent of not letting your best player beat me, and for the life of me, couldn't understand this. You know, that's the one guy, right, everybody in the building knows that's the one guy. Why am I not getting two people at him? Why not am I? And I know he's quick, he's got a quick release. All of that. I got to take the ball out of his hands. Seth, I don't understand this from a coaching perspective. Tell me what I'm missing here?

Seth Greenberg, ESPN College basketball analysts. Let me go back to Walter Clayton junior. I am a big proponent of not letting your best player beat me, and for the life of me, couldn't understand this. You know, that's the one guy, right, everybody in the building knows that's the one guy. Why am I not getting two people at him? Why not am I? And I know he's quick, he's got a quick release. All of that. I got to take the ball out of his hands. Seth, I don't understand this from a coaching perspective. Tell me what I'm missing here?

Look good, Look that was my philosophy. Every time I want a big game, we took the oundead's best player out. I mean it was just an automatic great Mcflasland did that for a thirty six minutes. They blitzed him on every ball street they got the ball out of his hands. Uh, and they did an incredible job on him. They always committed two to the ball and forced to kick it out. Now one time, late game, look that upset. It takes two to tag them. So like Texas Tech help him by missing the free throws. Text helped him by taking some quick shots. And then you know Thomas how happened. He makes those first two three which were huge, one of them on a pass off a double team where they got the ball of Clayton's hands and he gave it up early and help knocked down a big three late in the game. I have one hundred percent agree with you. Late in the game, I thought Clayton did a really good job of relocating quickly before they could sit send a second guy at him. The one the last one he made where he was inside the three point line about the foul line, and he turned and dribbled out and got himself squared up. I asked, jday will be a day? How hard I couldn't. I can't relate to it?

Look good, Look that was my philosophy. Every time I want a big game, we took the oundead's best player out. I mean it was just an automatic great Mcflasland did that for a thirty six minutes. They blitzed him on every ball street they got the ball out of his hands. Uh, and they did an incredible job on him. They always committed two to the ball and forced to kick it out. Now one time, late game, look that upset. It takes two to tag them. So like Texas Tech help him by missing the free throws. Text helped him by taking some quick shots. And then you know Thomas how happened. He makes those first two three which were huge, one of them on a pass off a double team where they got the ball of Clayton's hands and he gave it up early and help knocked down a big three late in the game. I have one hundred percent agree with you. Late in the game, I thought Clayton did a really good job of relocating quickly before they could sit send a second guy at him. The one the last one he made where he was inside the three point line about the foul line, and he turned and dribbled out and got himself squared up. I asked, jday will be a day? How hard I couldn't. I can't relate to it?

How hard is that to do?

How hard is that to do?

And like it's really hard? So like I give the guy credit for making those plays. But that's what Grant mccasla wanted to do. But he, like he said, he thought it seemed got a little tired and lost its focus.

And like it's really hard? So like I give the guy credit for making those plays. But that's what Grant mccasla wanted to do. But he, like he said, he thought it seemed got a little tired and lost its focus.

Uh.

Uh.

And and you knows your focus on that guy and he send you home.

And and you knows your focus on that guy and he send you home.

Yeah, And you're right about the free throws because if they make the free throws, then there there's no heroics there. How would you describe Cooper Flag's game to somebody who hadn't seen him play?

Yeah, And you're right about the free throws because if they make the free throws, then there there's no heroics there. How would you describe Cooper Flag's game to somebody who hadn't seen him play?

The most versatile player I've seen, And I compare him to Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen very much, those two guys. I think in Jason Tatum, he's got kind of a mixture of all three those guys. I mean, he innitiate your offense kind of like they do with Tatum and Scottie Pippin Dady, He's cores at all three levels. People don't really appreciate his seven two wingspan he's got great defensive range and he's so damn unselfish, like he's a terrific passer. I mean his feel for the game. For he's eighteen years old. He's eighteen years old, and he just plays like total like I got this, We're in good shape. Never gets to it now his mom has lost her mind, but he is perfectly fine. Like that. Dude's playing in the biggest games and in the VIMI it's knocking out big shots. And like his mom, he made a couple of turnovers early in the game and the first thing he hears from his mouth and the three turnables, you got to be better with the ball. I mean, it is a high standard. It is a high standard in the Flat family.

The most versatile player I've seen, And I compare him to Grant Hill, Scottie Pippen very much, those two guys. I think in Jason Tatum, he's got kind of a mixture of all three those guys. I mean, he innitiate your offense kind of like they do with Tatum and Scottie Pippin Dady, He's cores at all three levels. People don't really appreciate his seven two wingspan he's got great defensive range and he's so damn unselfish, like he's a terrific passer. I mean his feel for the game. For he's eighteen years old. He's eighteen years old, and he just plays like total like I got this, We're in good shape. Never gets to it now his mom has lost her mind, but he is perfectly fine. Like that. Dude's playing in the biggest games and in the VIMI it's knocking out big shots. And like his mom, he made a couple of turnovers early in the game and the first thing he hears from his mouth and the three turnables, you got to be better with the ball. I mean, it is a high standard. It is a high standard in the Flat family.

I understand that.

I understand that.

But he's a unique and you know, people say unicorn. I don't know. I've never met a unicorn, so I don't know what corn is. But the dude is like really, he's not only special, but his demeanor is special and yet being fiercely competitive.

But he's a unique and you know, people say unicorn. I don't know. I've never met a unicorn, so I don't know what corn is. But the dude is like really, he's not only special, but his demeanor is special and yet being fiercely competitive.

You coaching against Duke when people hated Duke. Yeah, but this team is embraced. I said to coach Schier. I said, people don't dislike Duke like they're kind of like, yeah, you might not root for him, but it doesn't feel like you're rooting against them.

You coaching against Duke when people hated Duke. Yeah, but this team is embraced. I said to coach Schier. I said, people don't dislike Duke like they're kind of like, yeah, you might not root for him, but it doesn't feel like you're rooting against them.

Yeah. I mean a little bit I'd do with Mike and Eve Lumpire and had to do it.

Yeah. I mean a little bit I'd do with Mike and Eve Lumpire and had to do it.

You know, just the.

You know, just the.

Amount of success he had, the consistency and success they Duke became Yankees. You loved him, you hated him, you know, it's just just the way it is.

Amount of success he had, the consistency and success they Duke became Yankees. You loved him, you hated him, you know, it's just just the way it is.

Uh So.

Uh So.

I mean Coach K and what he was able to build and a consistency that he had. People got tired of him, and you know, either you liked him or you didn't like it John Shire, and I'm glad you had him all to me. He's incredible. He is so comfortable in his own skin. He's not Coach K two point zero or one point zho. He's John Shire two point oh. He is one, unapologetically himself. The way they play totally different style of basketball in a lot of ways, the way they defend differently than not denying everything to keep you in front. The way he interacts with his team holds him accountable but a little bit different, but a great communicator. Coach K was a great motivator in the history of our sport. Maybe in the history of sport. Ever, his ability to create causes whether he did it with the Olympic team and with his duke teams. But john Shire has a likability to him. He's allowed these guys and it's a different age. Everyone knows these guys now from TikTok and social media and the accessibility that they have. You see their personalities. They're not like put in small boxes. So I think the social media aspect of it has changed it. John Shire's approach has changed it, and these kids are very comfortable putting themselves out and being a little bit outside the box of you would think that people expect them to be.

I mean Coach K and what he was able to build and a consistency that he had. People got tired of him, and you know, either you liked him or you didn't like it John Shire, and I'm glad you had him all to me. He's incredible. He is so comfortable in his own skin. He's not Coach K two point zero or one point zho. He's John Shire two point oh. He is one, unapologetically himself. The way they play totally different style of basketball in a lot of ways, the way they defend differently than not denying everything to keep you in front. The way he interacts with his team holds him accountable but a little bit different, but a great communicator. Coach K was a great motivator in the history of our sport. Maybe in the history of sport. Ever, his ability to create causes whether he did it with the Olympic team and with his duke teams. But john Shire has a likability to him. He's allowed these guys and it's a different age. Everyone knows these guys now from TikTok and social media and the accessibility that they have. You see their personalities. They're not like put in small boxes. So I think the social media aspect of it has changed it. John Shire's approach has changed it, and these kids are very comfortable putting themselves out and being a little bit outside the box of you would think that people expect them to be.

I know you're busy. Thanks as always, great to talk to you again, Seth.

I know you're busy. Thanks as always, great to talk to you again, Seth.

Always honored to be on your show. You're the best.

Always honored to be on your show. You're the best.

That's Seth Greenberg.

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He's the host of Gills Arena podcast, three time All Star with the Wizards, and his show, his underdog hit show Just sor pasted one million subscribers. Look at you, You're making moves man. Your makeup trying to uh this time of the year. I think back to March Madness when you guys played for the National Championship and you played against Duke. What do you remember about that moment?

He's the host of Gills Arena podcast, three time All Star with the Wizards, and his show, his underdog hit show Just sor pasted one million subscribers. Look at you, You're making moves man. Your makeup trying to uh this time of the year. I think back to March Madness when you guys played for the National Championship and you played against Duke. What do you remember about that moment?

That's funny because of Richard Jefferson. I remember the Final four against Michigan State where I was doing a lot of gambling for steals and try to get through a pinned down screen and Troy it was Hudson and Zach Randolph closed that door on me and I tore a soft tissue muscle in my chest. I finished the game, but you know I was hurt going into the championship.

That's funny because of Richard Jefferson. I remember the Final four against Michigan State where I was doing a lot of gambling for steals and try to get through a pinned down screen and Troy it was Hudson and Zach Randolph closed that door on me and I tore a soft tissue muscle in my chest. I finished the game, but you know I was hurt going into the championship.

Game or you would have beaten Duke. Is that what you're saying?

Game or you would have beaten Duke. Is that what you're saying?

Of course, Oh, I was a man on fireback.

Of course, Oh, I was a man on fireback.

Was that Mike Dunlevy's Duke team.

Was that Mike Dunlevy's Duke team.

Yes, that was Mike dun Leaby's breakout game, you know, but they had a a roster also that uh Jason Will or Jay Will Boozer. You had Duhan Young, Duhan Shane Baddie was the best player on the team. So uh they were there were there also.

Yes, that was Mike dun Leaby's breakout game, you know, but they had a a roster also that uh Jason Will or Jay Will Boozer. You had Duhan Young, Duhan Shane Baddie was the best player on the team. So uh they were there were there also.

Loaded Did you hate Duke?

Loaded Did you hate Duke?

I did? I did because I thought, you know, even though I was hurt, we still had a chance to win that game. And I think there was like twenty two missed calls in that game, which we felt we was reffed unfairly.

I did? I did because I thought, you know, even though I was hurt, we still had a chance to win that game. And I think there was like twenty two missed calls in that game, which we felt we was reffed unfairly.

Wait wait, wait, who decided there were twenty two miss calls?

Wait wait, wait, who decided there were twenty two miss calls?

You know, you know ESPN after, you know, you know when you watch after, you know there was a pivotal play where Jason Gardner was dribbling and uh, he stopped and Jay Will fell on him, which would have been his third foul in the first and they didn't even call him. He's just sitting there. Jay Wills fell all on him. He's just sitting there, just bouncing the ball, and they never actually called that foul.

You know, you know ESPN after, you know, you know when you watch after, you know there was a pivotal play where Jason Gardner was dribbling and uh, he stopped and Jay Will fell on him, which would have been his third foul in the first and they didn't even call him. He's just sitting there. Jay Wills fell all on him. He's just sitting there, just bouncing the ball, and they never actually called that foul.

So you think Duke getting preferential treatment.

So you think Duke getting preferential treatment.

It felt that way, and it felt that it did feel that way. But you know, it's the championship game. You know, they can't call it everything.

It felt that way, and it felt that it did feel that way. But you know, it's the championship game. You know, they can't call it everything.

Uh, I'm curious with nil, with your son and your daughter, you do have the financial means that you know, but do you still how are they taking advantage? Will they take advantage of name, image and likeness your son and daughter very very highly rated recruits.

Uh, I'm curious with nil, with your son and your daughter, you do have the financial means that you know, but do you still how are they taking advantage? Will they take advantage of name, image and likeness your son and daughter very very highly rated recruits.

Yes, you know, I told them. You know, there's nil and then there's collective right most you know, parents are mixing the two and they don't understand the difference. Nil is your name in likeness, so you have to be a popular player and personality. The collective is what everyone's getting from the school themselves, right, so you know the school all money is very different from the NIO nio. You have to earn through your performance, your social media presence, so you know their understanding. You know that that that situation.

Yes, you know, I told them. You know, there's nil and then there's collective right most you know, parents are mixing the two and they don't understand the difference. Nil is your name in likeness, so you have to be a popular player and personality. The collective is what everyone's getting from the school themselves, right, so you know the school all money is very different from the NIO nio. You have to earn through your performance, your social media presence, so you know their understanding. You know that that that situation.

Okay, but are you their agent? Are you negotiating?

Okay, but are you their agent? Are you negotiating?

No, No, I'll talk to agents right now. You know, my son is thinking about going with Clutch Sports, you know, and you know, working on the NIL side of it. You know, my daughter's still trying to figure out, you know, what she wants to go with. I think she might go with Aaron Goodwin for her NIL and collective deals.

No, No, I'll talk to agents right now. You know, my son is thinking about going with Clutch Sports, you know, and you know, working on the NIL side of it. You know, my daughter's still trying to figure out, you know, what she wants to go with. I think she might go with Aaron Goodwin for her NIL and collective deals.

Yeah, and then your son reclassified.

Yeah, and then your son reclassified.

Yes, he went from being a junior to a senior. So he can you know, get into college early because the collective money will be cut off April eighth and then there will be a cap in college.

Yes, he went from being a junior to a senior. So he can you know, get into college early because the collective money will be cut off April eighth and then there will be a cap in college.

But do you look at Cooper Flag at eighteen being successful as any kind of blueprint or hey, my son can do the same thing at the same age.

But do you look at Cooper Flag at eighteen being successful as any kind of blueprint or hey, my son can do the same thing at the same age.

You know, you can't, you can't, you can't compare you know, your kids to these unicorn type of kids. Well that's where a lot of parents mess up. You know. Cooper Flag is one of those rare, you know kids where you know, you can't build the blueprint off of you know, those type of kids, the Lebron James Cooper Flags, the Paulo ben Cherys, the Zion william Though those are one offs. Right, Cooper Flag will be successful. He's I mean, what can you say about him? Right, he's the number one pick. He will be the number one pick. And people say, if AJ was in this draft, he will be the number one pick. Yeah, right, I'm sorry. Just Cooper Flag has it engine. You can't teach, right, you can teach them skill, you can teach them the game, you can't teach how hard he plays the game. And seventeen you know, now eighteen, I'm drafting him number one every single time.

You know, you can't, you can't, you can't compare you know, your kids to these unicorn type of kids. Well that's where a lot of parents mess up. You know. Cooper Flag is one of those rare, you know kids where you know, you can't build the blueprint off of you know, those type of kids, the Lebron James Cooper Flags, the Paulo ben Cherys, the Zion william Though those are one offs. Right, Cooper Flag will be successful. He's I mean, what can you say about him? Right, he's the number one pick. He will be the number one pick. And people say, if AJ was in this draft, he will be the number one pick. Yeah, right, I'm sorry. Just Cooper Flag has it engine. You can't teach, right, you can teach them skill, you can teach them the game, you can't teach how hard he plays the game. And seventeen you know, now eighteen, I'm drafting him number one every single time.

Yeah, it's tricky. Now, who's the best player who couldn't miss that you played against or with? Like everybody thought that guy is going to be a star, And just for whatever reason, wasn't.

Yeah, it's tricky. Now, who's the best player who couldn't miss that you played against or with? Like everybody thought that guy is going to be a star, And just for whatever reason, wasn't.

That I played with or seen coming into the league. We'll probably been in my draft where we had all the high school kids. You know that Eddie Curry's the Tyson Chaman. We knew he was just a defensive player.

That I played with or seen coming into the league. We'll probably been in my draft where we had all the high school kids. You know that Eddie Curry's the Tyson Chaman. We knew he was just a defensive player.

Uh.

Uh.

The Kwame Browns.

The Kwame Browns.

How does Mike Michael Jordan take Kwame Brown?

How does Mike Michael Jordan take Kwame Brown?

How does he like upside? What? Oh?

How does he like upside? What? Oh?

Okay, so you're upside?

Okay, so you're upside?

You know. So what you're looking at is you're looking at the age. You're looking at the body style, and you're looking at the raw potendual of the player. Where what's his ceiling? What's his his floor? And you know it's it's not the kids that are the best, it's the organization because you're taking this kid with the idea that you're gonna build something great. So if you don't build something greater, if you don't have the infrastructure of building you know, a player, then it's your it's your fault because the eighteen year old doesn't know what to do. He's coming in from high school straight into the NBA. He doesn't know the landscape. So you have to teach him, teach him that.

You know. So what you're looking at is you're looking at the age. You're looking at the body style, and you're looking at the raw potendual of the player. Where what's his ceiling? What's his his floor? And you know it's it's not the kids that are the best, it's the organization because you're taking this kid with the idea that you're gonna build something great. So if you don't build something greater, if you don't have the infrastructure of building you know, a player, then it's your it's your fault because the eighteen year old doesn't know what to do. He's coming in from high school straight into the NBA. He doesn't know the landscape. So you have to teach him, teach him that.

But Jordan, you know, takes a chance on Kwame and then Adam Morrison was the other end. He had been in college, and both of these guys turned out to be bussed. So, you know, Mike and a lot of great players, former players have a hard time, you know, assessing other players because their standards are so high.

But Jordan, you know, takes a chance on Kwame and then Adam Morrison was the other end. He had been in college, and both of these guys turned out to be bussed. So, you know, Mike and a lot of great players, former players have a hard time, you know, assessing other players because their standards are so high.

It's it's it's the standard. But it's also the the delusion of what makes you great. Right, So someone like Jordan, he thinks he's great or he was great because of his fundamentals of the game. Right. He doesn't consider the raw athleticism that he had, the big hands, the forty seven inch vertical, the fast twitch book. He doesn't consider that. So he looks at, you know, what made him the greatest of all time, not what he came into the environment with. You already had a Bugatti engine and then you tweaked it for you know, every train. He's buying Honda's and drafted Hondas thinking he could turn them into bagattis like no, right, So it's it's it's a little bit of the delusion that he came into the world with the Bagatti.

It's it's it's the standard. But it's also the the delusion of what makes you great. Right, So someone like Jordan, he thinks he's great or he was great because of his fundamentals of the game. Right. He doesn't consider the raw athleticism that he had, the big hands, the forty seven inch vertical, the fast twitch book. He doesn't consider that. So he looks at, you know, what made him the greatest of all time, not what he came into the environment with. You already had a Bugatti engine and then you tweaked it for you know, every train. He's buying Honda's and drafted Hondas thinking he could turn them into bagattis like no, right, So it's it's it's a little bit of the delusion that he came into the world with the Bagatti.

Already we're talking to Gilbert Arena's co host of Gil's Arena podcast. But you had Jordan Washington Wizard's version.

Already we're talking to Gilbert Arena's co host of Gil's Arena podcast. But you had Jordan Washington Wizard's version.

No I played against that I was the person that came.

No I played against that I was the person that came.

In after he left.

In after he left.

Oh okay, yeah, so did you play against him as a rookie?

Oh okay, yeah, so did you play against him as a rookie?

I played against them those first two years in.

I played against them those first two years in.

Washington, okay, And how was that.

Washington, okay, And how was that.

As a you know, I played him in I played against him in ninety nine, right when he retired at Jordan Camp. When I played against him in the NBA is Jordans. So you know, for the most part you're admiring as a young fan, but you're also trying to show him that you belong to So you know, I dropped forty one on him.

As a you know, I played him in I played against him in ninety nine, right when he retired at Jordan Camp. When I played against him in the NBA is Jordans. So you know, for the most part you're admiring as a young fan, but you're also trying to show him that you belong to So you know, I dropped forty one on him.

Do you think he remembers that as well as you?

Do you think he remembers that as well as you?

Right? Yeah, no, yeah, he remembers it because you know, you know, I was a Jordan Camp kid, I was a counselor. So I was performing very well then too. So when I got to the NBA, I used to talk a bunch of trash of how I did him. He said, this is the big leagues. Nothing changed.

Right? Yeah, no, yeah, he remembers it because you know, you know, I was a Jordan Camp kid, I was a counselor. So I was performing very well then too. So when I got to the NBA, I used to talk a bunch of trash of how I did him. He said, this is the big leagues. Nothing changed.

Do you ever have a situation where like Steven A did with Lebron James, where a reporter a broadcaster that you have a an incident on the court.

Do you ever have a situation where like Steven A did with Lebron James, where a reporter a broadcaster that you have a an incident on the court.

No, I understood media early. You know, I usually beat them to the punch right. So if I had a bad game, I I I brung it up first. You know, I didn't let anyone hit me with you know, your four for seventeen performance. I was like, I know why you guys are here. I was four for seventeen, So let's just get right to it. So, you know, already lightened the room. But you know, this is uncharted territory. You know, no one ever played with their kid, no one ever had you know, this type of situation where you can have this blended gray area conversations.

No, I understood media early. You know, I usually beat them to the punch right. So if I had a bad game, I I I brung it up first. You know, I didn't let anyone hit me with you know, your four for seventeen performance. I was like, I know why you guys are here. I was four for seventeen, So let's just get right to it. So, you know, already lightened the room. But you know, this is uncharted territory. You know, no one ever played with their kid, no one ever had you know, this type of situation where you can have this blended gray area conversations.

But what if you were in the league and your son was able to go into the NBA and you had that wealth of power that you said, hey, I'm going to navigate this, so we draft my son to be able to play with me at the end of my career.

But what if you were in the league and your son was able to go into the NBA and you had that wealth of power that you said, hey, I'm going to navigate this, so we draft my son to be able to play with me at the end of my career.

I would have did the same thing.

I would have did the same thing.

Okay, listen, let's just be honest.

Okay, listen, let's just be honest.

Every parent would have did the same thing. Across the landscape. Most of you know America, kids that go into the business is not ready. They're not ready to take over the business or get into the situations they get into. But you know, as a parent, as a father, as a mother, that is your job to prep your kid and get them ready for this level. So you know what lebron did, every parent would have. Right. But if you if you rewind and go back to you know, the fifty fifth pick, who did they who was available? That's showing you right now they should have been that pick No. One right. So being nineteen years old, athletic for a point guard, six too fast, right, strong, can shoot, can dribble, right, that was the right pick. And you know people have to remember that Clutch said, if you picked him earlier, then we're trying to we're going to go overseas. So there was teams interested before fifty fifth.

Every parent would have did the same thing. Across the landscape. Most of you know America, kids that go into the business is not ready. They're not ready to take over the business or get into the situations they get into. But you know, as a parent, as a father, as a mother, that is your job to prep your kid and get them ready for this level. So you know what lebron did, every parent would have. Right. But if you if you rewind and go back to you know, the fifty fifth pick, who did they who was available? That's showing you right now they should have been that pick No. One right. So being nineteen years old, athletic for a point guard, six too fast, right, strong, can shoot, can dribble, right, that was the right pick. And you know people have to remember that Clutch said, if you picked him earlier, then we're trying to we're going to go overseas. So there was teams interested before fifty fifth.

How have you assessed Bronnie? Have you been critical?

How have you assessed Bronnie? Have you been critical?

Yes, I'm I'm I live in reality right Wait?

Yes, I'm I'm I live in reality right Wait?

Yeah, true?

Yeah, true?

But from the forty from the fortieth pick to the sixtieth pick, what am I expecting from these guys? Right? A bench filler, someone who's gonna go to the G League. They'll probably been be out of the league by two years. Right, Maybe they might get to the thirty year, but most of these guys are not getting to a second contract. So where Bronni is I figured, Okay, by the time his third year comes around, he would be usable in NBA. You know, come in, you know, last two minutes of the game, last three minutes, you know he'd be one of those type of players. I did not effect him to be dominated in the G League right now. I thought he had to learn how to be aggressive. The bones of his game was already there right, fast and jump. You can't teach that being aggressive in the shell shock of Curry, Ja Morant, Yeah, that was gonna get That gets everyone number one pick to the sixtith pick, right. So I'm impressed with how fast he actually turned his game around and you can see the confidence in him.

But from the forty from the fortieth pick to the sixtieth pick, what am I expecting from these guys? Right? A bench filler, someone who's gonna go to the G League. They'll probably been be out of the league by two years. Right, Maybe they might get to the thirty year, but most of these guys are not getting to a second contract. So where Bronni is I figured, Okay, by the time his third year comes around, he would be usable in NBA. You know, come in, you know, last two minutes of the game, last three minutes, you know he'd be one of those type of players. I did not effect him to be dominated in the G League right now. I thought he had to learn how to be aggressive. The bones of his game was already there right, fast and jump. You can't teach that being aggressive in the shell shock of Curry, Ja Morant, Yeah, that was gonna get That gets everyone number one pick to the sixtith pick, right. So I'm impressed with how fast he actually turned his game around and you can see the confidence in him.

Who are the best offensive players in your career that you faced that.

Who are the best offensive players in your career that you faced that.

I faced, Uh, Cody Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Alan Iverson.

I faced, Uh, Cody Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Alan Iverson.

That's pretty good list.

That's pretty good list.

Yeah, Kevin Durant, Lebron James, I can, I can even I can put Tim Duncan up there, Vince Carter, right. So I came in Dwayne Wade like Carmelo Anthony right. So the the I came in is basically, if you look at the top five shooting guards of all time, I actually played against all of them.

Yeah, Kevin Durant, Lebron James, I can, I can even I can put Tim Duncan up there, Vince Carter, right. So I came in Dwayne Wade like Carmelo Anthony right. So the the I came in is basically, if you look at the top five shooting guards of all time, I actually played against all of them.

Who's the best shooter of all time? Best shooter Steph Curry, not even close, not even close. How would you do in a shooting contest.

Who's the best shooter of all time? Best shooter Steph Curry, not even close, not even close. How would you do in a shooting contest.

If we if we had to shoot a hundred times, I'll probably win ten, ten to fifteen of those games. It's it's it's when you when you're talking about that elite, the Reggie Miller's, the Birds, the Craig Hodges, the Clays, even you know Kevin Durant Kawhi is a great shooter. It's about who can empty their brain the longest. Meaning, there's no thought, right, There's not oh did I leave the stove on? Is anybody watching? It's just it's just Homer Simpson. It's Homer Simpsons moment. Who can be Homer Simpson the longest? No? Right? And I think that you know, Curry and Clay seems like they can sustain it longer than you know, everybody else I've ever seen.

If we if we had to shoot a hundred times, I'll probably win ten, ten to fifteen of those games. It's it's it's when you when you're talking about that elite, the Reggie Miller's, the Birds, the Craig Hodges, the Clays, even you know Kevin Durant Kawhi is a great shooter. It's about who can empty their brain the longest. Meaning, there's no thought, right, There's not oh did I leave the stove on? Is anybody watching? It's just it's just Homer Simpson. It's Homer Simpsons moment. Who can be Homer Simpson the longest? No? Right? And I think that you know, Curry and Clay seems like they can sustain it longer than you know, everybody else I've ever seen.

But it feels like there's a really wide margin, Gilbert between the greatest shooter of all time and then whoever is the second greatest shooter of all time?

But it feels like there's a really wide margin, Gilbert between the greatest shooter of all time and then whoever is the second greatest shooter of all time?

It's the longevity.

It's the longevity.

But is Ray Allen like, who's the second greatest shooter of all time?

But is Ray Allen like, who's the second greatest shooter of all time?

Probably Clay, I'm sorry to say, I really believe it's Klay Thompson because the shots he's had to take, the valume, the microscope of it, the sixty points with you know, less than eleven dribbles. Right, those guys didn't do that. I mean the shot ability was it in the era then, But just to see he's doing that with two Hall of Famers first ballot on his roster. If you remove those guys, I mean, Jesus Christ Clay would have been first ballot. He still might be a first battle, but you would be saying he is the greatest shooter of all time. It's just the ways he did it. Now, if I'm gonna take clutch, I'm going with Reggie Miller, right, Reggie Miller's clutch shooting is above you know those guys. Ray Allen is in between of a guy who was a I call it like a perfect perfect player shooter where he was very athletic, he can shoot, he can play make right. So he was he was like above Reggie and just the player themselves. And then Steph actually combined everyone into one. Someone who can shoot off the dribble, fast break, shooting, off the screen, shooting, his ability to just put him all in one. That's what Steph Curry is.

Probably Clay, I'm sorry to say, I really believe it's Klay Thompson because the shots he's had to take, the valume, the microscope of it, the sixty points with you know, less than eleven dribbles. Right, those guys didn't do that. I mean the shot ability was it in the era then, But just to see he's doing that with two Hall of Famers first ballot on his roster. If you remove those guys, I mean, Jesus Christ Clay would have been first ballot. He still might be a first battle, but you would be saying he is the greatest shooter of all time. It's just the ways he did it. Now, if I'm gonna take clutch, I'm going with Reggie Miller, right, Reggie Miller's clutch shooting is above you know those guys. Ray Allen is in between of a guy who was a I call it like a perfect perfect player shooter where he was very athletic, he can shoot, he can play make right. So he was he was like above Reggie and just the player themselves. And then Steph actually combined everyone into one. Someone who can shoot off the dribble, fast break, shooting, off the screen, shooting, his ability to just put him all in one. That's what Steph Curry is.

How bothered are you that Richard Jefferson went thirteenth in the draft and you went thirty first.