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Booker McFarlane ESPN, NFL College Football Analyst, College Football Studio analyst on ABC, Analysts for NFL Primetime with Chris Berman on ESPN Plus. Booker, good to see you. Do you do you have an opinion on show? Hey, Tony? Everybody else seems too so. Patrick Mahomes had something to say. Lebron James thoughts.
I'm just always in od DP when athletes achieve certain heights and when things that are done that have never been done before. To what do he goes six for six ten RBI three home runs like that's unbelievable And very rarely do we set expectations and the great ones achieve and go above those expectations. I can only think of a couple of a couple of guys like Tiger Woods when he says hello world, and everybody's saying he's going to revolutionize golf. Well he did. Lebron James on the cover Sports Illustrated at sixteen, He's the next great thing and he was and for show. Hell Tony to sign a deal for seventy million dollars a year and in his first year of that deal to exceed the expectations. I'm just in awe of that because rarely do we see that. Most of the times, our athletes underachieve and their underwhelm us, and he definitely has not.
Well.
I was wondering about this as well. Do you have Travis Hunter at Colorado? Do you think he looks or maybe his representatives would look at what Otani is doing, you know, pitching and hitting. No, granted he didn't pitch this year, but to make yourself a unicorn, Travis Hunter has the talent to be able to do that. I don't know. Can he do it full time and be that stand out guy?
You know, don't I don't think he's gonna be able to do it full time. I came into this season thinking he was a better corner than a receiver, but I've changed my mind. Like his ball skills are unreal. I think he's a better receiver than corner. I think he has fun return skills. Can he do both? Sure he could do both, but this league, to me, it would be disrespectful to the guys that show up every day and that have done it for years and do it at a high level. On one side of the ball to say a guy can come in and do it at a high level on both sides. Think about some of the great athletes we've seen.
Champ Bailey.
Okay, Champ Bailey was unreal, He's a Hall of Famer. And Champ Bailey was a better corner than receiver. So he played corner Even Dion, as great as Dion was, his primary position was cornerback. He dibbled and dabbled at receiver in a little bit, but his greatest position was cornerback. And so I just think it's disrespectful to the level of athlete and the level of professional professionalism that these guys show on the field to think that Traffs could come in and major at receiver and major at corner. Can he minor in one of them? Sure, but I don't think he's going to be able to do both.
All Right, the Jets last night, what questions did they answer?
Not really a lot of them. I mean, New England is not a good football team. DP. And this is probably not the take that everybody in New York wants to hear, because all of a sudden, now the Jets are a super Bowl team. But let's be honest, like we don't think New England is going to be a good team this year. They'll probably end up with maybe three or four wins at the end of the season. So are we really going to crown the Jets because they beat a team that's going to wind up winning four games. Now, what I take from it is Aaron Rodgers look healthy, Aaron Rodgers moved around, Aaron Rodgers distributed the football well. But for me to come out and say this team has arrived after beating a what we think is a four win team, I can't do that. Let's see where we are around Halloween, you know, kind of in baseball, and you know this better than I do. In baseball, we always say, hey, let's look at Memorial Day as kind of the landmark. You know, you look at Memorial Day and see where everybody's at, and football is Halloween. DP, Let's get the Halloween, let's put the mask on, let's go trick or treating, and then let's wake up the next morning and see where the Jets are. And I think that will be a better depiction of who they're going to be than today after beating the Patriots and everybody's gung ho in New.
York Booker, Booker, you're way too intelligent, way too measured.
Here.
You're not the guy that I want to talk to. I want somebody saying the gets they prove that they're an elite team. Come on, let's plan the parade here in New York.
Cool man, you know we can't do that DP. But guess what. Today's It's meat Friday, so it's cool. Let's get some brisket, Let's get some Texas sausage. Let's have fun. And that's crying it yesterday and then we'll wake up Monday and we'll get back to it to reality.
When are you joining us for a meet Friday?
You know what, let's plan. I'm coming up on a Friday. I can plan to get where you are before noon, and I think that'll be good enough. So if I can get there before noon, we just got a plan that day. Will I will scheduleate Friday this fall to get to you before.
Noon, okay, because I'm going to plan the menu around you. Okay, no question, Okay.
I want I want sausage, I want ribs, and I want some brisket. I don't need any sides. I'm a meat guy. That's all I need. I don't need anything else.
You're like al Michaels. Al Michaels can't have anything green, he can't have partially on his plate. He never had a vegetable.
You know what, there are some crazy stories about our playball play guys, Al with the vegetables, Jim Nantz with the burnt toast. I'm really not sure which one I believe, but I'm gonna just go go with them as folklore.
Right now, all right, let's look at the big games this weekend in the NFL. Who has a must must win situation Baltimore.
Baltimore is oh in two and if you look at their next three games, there's a realistic chance they could be one in four, oh and five if they don't, like, if they don't play their best football, and it's asking a lot to go into Dallas, who's coming off with disappointing loss to the New Orleans Saints. That to me is going to be you know, rarely do you get the early season games that we say, man, that felt like a playoff game because it's just too early in the season. But when you have one in one Cowboys and two Ravens coming off the losses that they had a we're gonna get I think both teams best shot, and it's gonna be the rare occasion were in September. It's gonna feel like December, and to me, that's must watch.
The Eagles against the Saints. Got a little spice here here, and you all in on the Saints.
I'm in on the Saints for two reasons. They are playing the right way. The offensive line is coming off the ball and they're knocking people back. Alvin Kamara looks like he's five years younger. Their defense led by Dennis Allam, who's the head coach in a defensive Wizard. Their defense is playing well and so they're built the right way upfront on both sides of the football, and all of a sudden, DP, It's kind of like Derek Carr went to Vegas and said, the hell with it? You know, all right, I'm hitting seventeen, all right, the hell with it. I'm rolling sevent eleven all the time. Because the knock on him has been he's not a risk taker, like he's checked down Charlie, And all of a sudden he's throwing the football down the field to Rashid Shahi and they're hitting fifty plus yard balls every day. So yeah, I'm in him the Saints because of those reasons.
Where do you stand with Carolina with the Bryce Young situation?
You know, I've listened to all the pundits all week and all they've done is blame Carolina and blame the organization. And I will admit on your show, I sat on the NFL at the NFL Draft for ESPN, and I put I put all my chips on Bryce Young because of what I saw at Alabama, his ability to process, his ability to be accurate, his ability to play at his size because he's been small all his life. I think I could have been wrong DP, all right, And I know people don't like to admit it, but I think I could have been wrong, and maybe just maybe the kid because everything everything that I saw at Alabama I haven't seen in the National Football League. I haven't seen him be accurate. I haven't seen him be poised. I haven't seen him look like a guy that was that was playing bigger than his snacks. His stature, DP. He looks small man like. He looks tiny, and not only does he look tiny, sometimes he looks afraid. And that's one thing you can't be in the National Football League. So I hope I'm not wrong, but I'm afraid I may be wrong because I thought his superpower would overcome his size, and his superpower being his accuracy, his poise, his decision making. But all those things have gone away eighteen games into his career, and I just don't know if he can find him in Carolina. And if he doesn't find him in Carolina, then you go down a rabbit hole of now are you are you competing to be a backup? Or are is somebody going to give you an opportunity to be a starter, Or do you have to go like Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald go team the team, the team where somebody will give you a chance on a whim to be a starting quarterback. That's a difficult path. But I truly hope I'm wrong because the kids got a great family. I met his mom and dad in Los Angeles with a Super Bowl thought of the Earth people, and I truly wish the best for the kid. But I'm starting to think I may have been wrong.
Yeah, I thought it was an easy, low hanging fruit that everybody blamed the organization, blame the owner, blame the coach. You know all of this, and I said, no, no, let me start with the player. Yes, he's on the field. Maybe they didn't give him weapons, It's still he's not the first quarterback. Who's the first round pick, who's gone out there and maybe didn't have the personnel around him to succeed. There's a reason why you had the number one draft pick. But I do think this has to be on him and he might have to go someplace else to get another chance. It feels like that, and maybe it would be best for him to get out of there now. This is this is the follow up question, booker. If your Quinn yours Shador Sanders throw out another quarterback who might go number one overall and Carolina is on the clock with the number one overall pick, could you see somebody pulling an Eli Manning.
Oh No, I think we would talk about it, and everybody would have a bunch of you know, radio shows and TV shows leading up to the draft about it. But there's only thirty two of these jobs in the National Football League, and probably half of them already feel for the next decade, and so to say you're going to turn it down and go somewhere else, I think that would be fools goal. That's number one. Number two Dave Canalis, who's the head coach, It would be the guy choosing the quarterback. He and the GM Dan Morgan. And if you look at Dave Canalis's track record, he helped tutor Gino, he helped tutor Baker Mayfield. So he's worked with some quarterbacks and you've seen some of those guys that have put the work in come out on the other end and they're playing well. Now, maybe Bryce Young, maybe he doesn't want to work with Bryce Young because he didn't choose him. Maybe Bryce Young just doesn't have it. And so I would give Dave Canalis the benefit of the doubt because of what I've seen with Gino and what I've seen with Baker Mayfield. But when somebody's going to say, hey, DP, we're going to give you thirty five million dollars guaranteed to be number one overall, are you going to turn it down? I know you're rich, buddy, but that's something you just it's really hard to turn down when somebody's going to guarantee you thirty five migian over four years.
I don't know if it's an aberration, but the running stats are pretty impressive so far, and the passing touchdowns are down considerably. Is a large enough sample signs for you to make a declaration here?
Oh yeah, And I think it's a trend that's been happening over the last couple of years. If you go back toward the end of last season and now to this season, defensive coordinators are scared. And here's what I mean by that, Like they don't want to give up the big player, and they finally realize that if we make this offense dance in unison, eleven guys in unison for twelve or fifteen plays, it's hard from the duke. Now, if you give up an eight r touchdown, it's easy. But if I'll just keep my two safeties back, And I know Mel Kuyper hates the too high safety defense, he wants to outlaws an that's an entirely different comments.
Maybe not much conversation that's done. That's an we don't even start with that silliness.
Maybe the worst statement I've ever had, and I mail to deal. But defensive coordinators are keeping safeties back and they're inviting you to run the football, and offensive coordinators are finally saying, wait, a minute, So you're going to give me an advantageous situation to run. Maybe I'll run the football. And that's what's happening to DP now. It goes in cycles, and sometime during the course of this season, what you're gonna get is you're gonna get a defensive coordinator that says, you know what, I'm gonna knock the run out this week, and he's gonna drop that safety down and you're gonna get one on one coverage and you'll start to get some deeper passes down the field. But for right now, all the coordinators are kind of sitting back saying, Okay, I'm gonna make you drive the football down the field. We're gonna play a little scared. And I think that's why the numbers, or at least that's the trend between the end of last season and right now.
Before I let you go, you put your left hand up there. That finger is like God, that's turn signal on.
Well, DP, here's what happens when you play in the trenches. You know, this is what I did for a living. I don't set behind the mic with headphones on and any barbecue on Fridays. I you know what I do. I get out there, I put my hand in the dirt and I go to work. And this is a small byproduct of I played in NFL nine years, college football for four, so thirteen years of football led to this. And this is part of the worst I got. So I made it out with the knees and shoulders and everything. Okay, but my fingers are a little crooked. But I have to I can hold a golf club as long as the grip is a jumbo club, and so I'll leave them be.
But you didn't think about fixing them?
Yeah?
I thought about the DP, But I've had nine services. Why would I want to volunteer for another one. I don't need it.
But can you wear gloves?
Uh?
Yeah, as far as like like golf gloves, Yeah, I can work gloves. But I mean other than that, I'm not. I'm not gonna be in any weather where I need like cold weather gloves. I needed to know. I book book, don't do cold weather. I told you that.
Hey, I brought this up. Collinsworth and I were talking about this yesterday. How about we just say holding is legal in the end, NFL offensive linemen can hold. What do you think.
If we're gonna say, if we're gonna outlaw the two safeties, you may as will give the offense another advantage and say, office is lineman can hold and say guess what, the only the only defense that we can run is Manda Man. Let's just do it all for the fan so we can have seventy point games every Sunday.
Absolutely great appearance, Booger, Thanks for joining us.
Glad to be here, and I'm gonna scaled to that met Friday.
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What would you do if you caught show Hayes fiftieth home run ball? You would give it back to Otani and maybe get a pick or a bat or something like that. You could sell it almost immediately for the best offer, or would you hold it for a decade plus and then sell it Okay.
Let's go around the room. Then we'll bring in Darren Ravel because Darren's all over this, founder of collect Media, Todd, what would you do with the home run ball yesterday afternoon?
I would strike while the iron is hot and everyone's talking about it. I wouldn't want to risk many years from now. I don't know what their collectible industry is going to be, maybe great, maybe not as good. I think I'm going to try to do it within the next couple of days or a week and get the best offer I can.
Okay, Seating, what would you do?
I'm seeing like anywhere between two hundred and fifty k and a million dollars for the ball. For the ball, Okay, I'm selling it.
Okay, Well, that's a big separation between two hundred and fifty k and a million.
It is, However, I could tell you this much. A million sounds awesome, and two hundred and fifty k right now in my pocket sounds amazing.
Marvin, what would you do? I'm gonna sell that thing right away, right away, Pully.
I'm holding it for a decade. I don't think this is going to happen again, whether it's him or someone else. So in ten years, it becomes more special and more unique.
I think, I this is what I would want. I would want the third base. So he steals the base, I would want the base. And if I have the ball, and then I just hold on to those I don't I don't sell those. I mean that base is valuable. I don't know what the Marlins are going to do with that, but that is historical as well. The stolen base, Yes, Todd, whose property is that?
The Marlins? Major League Baseball? Like, where does the whole of thing?
Is?
Base is ours? We want the base?
Well, they could ask for it, but it's the Marlins.
It's really it's a property of the Marlins.
The basis, Yeah, who did you think of a property of.
Major League Baseball? The bases of the stadiums. I don't know if they belong there to the individual.
Let's bring in Darren Ravel, the founder of collect media. What would you do if you had the home run ball? Depends on the trade. So if I engaged in a trade, because I after the greatest game in baseball regular season baseball history, I would love to have a picture would show Hey, I might trade the ball if he were willing to give me something else on his body, so I might get a picture I might want. I might take the jersey, but usually they don't do that. Usually they just give you a random bat.
Or something else. Like I would need his exact cleats. It would have to be some trade and a picture because pictures are just going to become more and more valuable. Now let me just tell you this, Dan, So, because people have asked me this NonStop, what does show hey own? So he owns his cleats, his bat, and his batting gloves. The team, at least, per the collective bargaining agreement, owns the hat, the batting helmet, the jersey, the pants, and the socks. I could give it to him, but that's just those are just rules. And the fan of course owns the ball once it goes and so that that's kind of how it works. But I'm thinking, originally I thought this ball was around a half a million dollars, but now I think because it being associated with and I check with my guy, Dave Schoenfield at ESPN, who is my historian. He says, it's the greatest single game performance ever, taking outside all the other factors, whether it's a World Series or not. Given that I think this is at least a million dollar ball.
Would you hold on to it for a decade as Paulie was suggesting.
I agree with paul that that it's not going to happen again, although I would fear that Otani would do it again.
So I don't know what. I don't think he's going to get this chance again. Okay, if he goes back to pitching, you know, he's a dh He's not gonna be running as much. He's only missed three games this year, so I don't I'm run like anything.
It depends on how much money means to you in the moment, you know. But most of these things, the milestones as they happen. If you look at history, the Mark McGuire ball, the Samisosa ball. You know that Mark McGuire ball in the moment, or at least what it traded, was worth three million dollars that ball. You never know what happens over time. That ball today is probably worth around one hundred and twenty thousand.
Yeah, that's another thing, But you did have controversy attached to that. Let's assume that show Heyo Tani. There is no controversy, no asterisk, none of that it's like Michael George.
Why would you assume that, Dan.
It's like Michael Jordan's shoes if you sold them ten years ago and you got whatever, one hundred and twenty thousand dollars.
Now now they're millions.
Yeah, yes, I wonder if holding on to a baseball and plus you've got a worldwide market there too for show Heyo Tani that yeah.
I mean, you know, the Asian market is rabid. You could even see that with his cards. Spoke to a memorabilia dealer in Los Angeles and he said, don't you know, Yes, it is a worldwide market. And I think the statistic is eighty percent of Japanese this year who traveled from Japan to Los Angeles showed up at Dodger Stadium.
Wow. Wild, that is a big market. The person who catches the is the ball got a special marketing on it too? They have to authenticate and do we know?
So we know?
Yes, so are Matt Lieberman who does? I mean he's done a lot on authenticity. Confirmed with Baseball last night that before the game they hadn't marked anything obviously because he needed one stolen base and two home runs. But in the sixth inning, after he hit his forty ninth home run, they started marking the balls and then they have you know, there someone marking which ball is going into rotation, so they know the number and what the infrared or whatever the secret marking is. Looks like that allowed the guy to leave the stadium. So in most cases, and the only times we've really seen it is recently Aaron Judge when he got to fifty nine to sixty sixty one, sixty two, those balls were marked, and now the Otani balls were marked right after forty nine. That allows someone to leave the stadium. In any other case, if you leave the stadium, forget about it. Also, in any other case, once it goes into the stands, Baseball will no longer authenticate it for you because who knows whether someone's pulling a second baseball from their pocket.
Wow. Now, okay, way, by the way.
If this was in Dodger Stadium, no one would have called it would have because centerfield there's nough. I mean, it would have been baseball property or Atani's property.
It's kind of interesting, But did you have the information that this was an eighteen year old high school senior on his birthday who had the ball and it was ripped out of his hands.
Yes, so this is our story up right now. This kid, Max Mattis, he was turned eighteen yesterday, went with his father's real estate firm. They got those seats in the bullpen. There were fifteen of them there and his father's associate, Ryan Wold, was the guy who I think he missed it with his left hand by about five inches. It bounced off the table. He missed it with his right hand, like it touched his fingertips fell below. And this kid Max, he was standing like right beside the bullpen. He ran in and if you see some of the videos, he's in the red and he runs in from the if you're looking at it left hand side, a couple guys running from the right hand side, and this guy in a black shirt fighting for it. Max told us he got his got in some sort of lock. He had the ball and then lost it to this guy. This guy was whisked away by security, but he is. He is in class this morning, and he did tell me he got a full night sleep, knowing that he gave it the best effort.
On a side note, how strong is the Caitlin Clark memorabilia market.
It's pretty strong. I mean that the ticket for there's gonna be plenty of tickets, but at least the first sign ticket from her debut went from more than ten thousand dollars. We have a story up on collect too that the record of card price came in. You know was I thing is they ate more than eighty thousand dollars a couple of days ago. So it's there. It's definitely there's she's holding up and captivating the world more than I thought she would.
Great to talk to you is always thank you got it.
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We spoke with Dave Roberts yesterday. This is prior to yesterday's game. We reached out because I said to Fritzie, I think that show hey will break this record join the fifty to fifty club over the weekend, and we wanted to talk to Dave Roberts and get that opportunity. So he joined us prior to the game with Miami yesterday. And the first thing I ask is how much credit do you take for sho heyo? Tony's season.
Zero. He is a man. He is one of one. It's been fun to have a front row seat watching what he does each night.
If I told you in March that he was approaching a fifty to fifty season, you would have said, what.
Very unlikely, very unlikely, but wouldn't be shocked.
But he has this. What were you told after the procedure?
I was told that he was just going to DH and the plan was to rehab him on the pitching side the arm, to get him ready for twenty twenty five, but count on him as a full time hitter.
Where does he stand in his progress of pitching.
He is throwing active, complete bullpens as far as using his pitch mix, but not facing hitters yet, So he's still a ways away throwing what I see being in a competitive game.
There's no possibility that he's pitching in the postseason.
You know, I think that I guess I left the door open, and I think that with Showhead, I've learned that nothing is impossible. But I still feel that the progression is still a long ways away from being in a major league game. But I think it's okay to leave that door just slightly cracked.
Well, that's what I was wondering. Given the pitching staff, the state of your starting pitching, you know, do you you kind of run that risk of can we can we speed it up a little bit or can you take a chance maybe sooner than you had thought with using him.
I don't think so, And certainly with the starting staff injury injuries that we've accrued throughout this season, thinking of him as a starter to give us any length that is in that there's a zero per cent chance of that happening.
Talking to Dave Roberts, Dodger manager, how would you describe this season if somebody didn't know what the Dodgers had done, only saw your record, how would you sum it up?
Challenging? I think is a very fair word.
You have before guaranteed a World Series.
God, you just never let that lie. Uh And I love the way it's such a bias take. That's great, great, well done.
So that leads me to how do you feel about your team this year?
I like our team. It's certainly with with the potential roster, it's not the talent how we envisioned it. And I think that any team that's contending for the World Series this year probably to say the same thing. And I do know that with baseball, it's not always the most talented team, you know that that that wins the World Series. And I think for our club, Dan and I and I say this is talent is the floor for our ball club, which we certainly still have a lot of talent, and our is going to be the ceiling. So I expect our ceiling to be significantly raised this postseason.
I talked to Jeff Passion of ESPN yesterday. I said, how many teams could win the World Series? Take a guess how many teams?
He said, every team that gets that gets an invite to the postseason.
That's exactly what he said. He said, twelve team. Do you think it's that wide open?
I do. I do because I think that, you know, I think that each all twelve teams that are going to get in, I think that have some strengths clearly and then have some clear flaws. And then so I think with that it just comes down to you know, which team is playing the best. And I know everyone says it every year, but when you have twelve different participants, there's a lot of variables. And so yeah, so I agree with.
Jeff, best team you face this year?
You know, that's a good question. I think the it's it's interesting is I could say the Cubs. You know, they they every time we play them, they seem like they're just kick our butts and they're playing the best. But I think, you know, at one point I thought the Phillies, uh, weren't going to lose a game this year, you know, I thought, you know, we fortunately caught the Indians at the right time. The Brewers have obviously had a great season. I think probably the best team that we've played this year probably the Padres.
Okay, yeah, certainly second half of the season they've been great. I'm just curious, go back to the Phillies. Can you ever remember a player who was like Kyle Schwarber?
You know, no, you know, he he's certainly a three what do they call three potential outcomes or whatever type of hitter as far as they hit the walk and then the homer, the walk and the strikeout. Yep. But I just love this guy's GrITT He's very tough. I think that you know, you see this guy and you can clearly see that his teammates kind of take his personality and you know, even with the WBC. I've talked to some players and they say he was kind of the guy that was like the heart and soul of that that you team usay.
But to go up there in Homer that first at bat, that has to be so demoralizing when you're the opposing manager or pitcher.
It is, you know, because I think that you know, and that's why we have show Hay hitting in the one, you know, because pitchers want to get into the game and they want to throw that heater for a strike. But a guy like Schwarber can make it one zero pretty quickly. And when they when he's in the batter's box, like show Hey, they're already in scoring position. So uh, you know, hitter pitchers are like hitters and they have egos. They don't want to throw a first pick slider or break involved. But if you don't, you throw it over the plate, it's going to be damage.
I was wondering about this since you had one of the more famous stolen bases in the history of baseball. Have you helped or how have you helped show Hay with stealing bases?
You know what, I actually, Dan, I haven't. I've left that to show Hey and Clayton McCullough and they do a great job at setting. And it started in spring training with show Hay working on his explosiveness as jumps and the way he studies pitchers tendencies tells it's really remarkable. It really is. And I will say this is that you know, there was a point I think sometime in May where I really saw show Hay as a base stealer and not just an athletic past the baseball player that outruns the baseball because in years past his stolen base percentage was was, you know, really pedestrian. But this year it's very efficient.
And see that's what I wondered with injuries coming off of procedure surgery and then allowing him to run as much as he's been running, I was surprised at them.
Yeah, but it's he doesn't die, he slides, he uses legs, so you're talking about the right elbow, and I just don't think that there's any real risk with the stolen bases. And I do think that it's thought out in the sense that this is the only year that he expects to not ditch as well. So that's why I think he's using his legs a lot more and just a more dynamic hitter.
Any chance that Mookie Betts plays all nine positions in a game?
I will guarantee Dan, there's no chance that he plays all night physicians in the game.
How about for fun one day?
There no chance I see him behind the plate? That can happen?
You might, all right, eight positions? Could you see MOOKI playing eight positions?
Can I see him playing eight positions in a game? You know what, there's a possibility.
Okay, that's all I'm asking.
I think there's a possibility of that. We'll see if we can make that up.
Well, Hey, good luck with Colorado. Thanks for joining us. Always great to talk to you, all.
Right, DT, take care.
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He's Will Ferrell. He has a documentary, Will and Harper that comes out next Friday, September twenty seventh, and Will's good friend of thirty years, Harper Steele, comes out as a trans woman and then they decide to go on a road trip. The trailer looks awesome. Will Ferrell joining us on the program. By the way, before we get to this, Al Michaels was on yesterday. Okay, al Michael said he he's done everything he wants to do the Westminster Dog Show, but he will he will do it if you do it with him. Would you be willing to do the Westminster Dog Show with al Michaels?
I would do that in a heartbeat. Yeah, there's no question. Okay, all right, Okay, how do we how do we get this going?
Paulie? Can you send you Paulie knows the person or somebody there. Yes, I'm tight with the dog people there. Will.
I broached them yesterday. They are on hold for your commitment.
Okay, I think it's go. I think this is green light time.
Well, will you guys be involved in any way?
We would be there like a support you know, will be support dogs like we would be there for you to keep you company.
Uh what I'm thinking live remote? I think I'm thinking you guys do the show from the west Sinster Dog Show.
All right?
Done that either late precedes or follows the actual.
You know, we'll have a post Westminster Dog Show like a wrap up show.
And you can have guest trainers and guest dogs and.
Kind of like a Manning cast but for dogs. I love it. Okay, So tell me how you came about this. That the trailer looks great. And you've known Harper Steele from Saturday Night Live day, so you've known him thirty years now trans trail her.
Yeah, yeah, we met. We met in nineteen ninety five. We've known each other almost thirty years. She was one of the first riders who befriended me at the show. We joke about it in the dock that you know, Saturay Night Live isn't isn't necessarily a warm, fuzzy place. And when you show up on the job, especially back then, I think we had eight new cast members, an entire brand new writing staff, and no one really told you gave you marching orders. So I was kind of trying to meet people and say hello, but it was not I wouldn't say it was going well. In fact, I found out later that people were like, what's up with that guy? He seems nice, he doesn't seem very funny.
Uh, Arper.
Harper and I went to lunch one day and uh, we hadn't really met each other, and she was one of the first people that I had kind of a one on one and and we were able to she was able to report back to the group of writers going, don't sleep on him. He's actually really funny. Uh, And that's kind of that's kind of how we kicked it off.
Well, did you know she was coming out as a trans woman.
Well, she sent she sent an email out to uh, you know, our our friend friend group, Uh, probably three summers ago, simply with the subject line and only the way a comedy writer could do it. Hey, everyone, here's a weird one. I've been pro seeds that at age fifty nine, I'm going to transition to be a woman.
And did you think you were being punked?
There was? There was part of me that, for sure, that's that's always that's always the knee jerk. And yet as I as I read through the email again and again, I couldn't figure out what the endgame would be here. So I knew it was real, and I of course reached out to her and said, wow, congrats, can't wait to can't wait to see you. And it took it took about that was during a it was during COVID, so it took took a good six months for us to finally kind of have coffee and have a face to face. And one of the things, if you know, if you know Harper, she loves taking cross country road trips. That's as long as I've known Steel. She's driven, She's allowed for time in her schedule to take five days to go from LA to New York or back and forth. And she was lamenting to another friend of ours that now, as a trans woman, I don't know if I feel safe going into the same dive bars I used to not think twice about. And an idea popped into my head when we first met. I said, Harper, what if we take a road trip and it'll serve two purposes. I can maybe be a buffer for you to go into these places that you're now experiencing as Harper for the first time. At the same time, I get a chance to ask you all the questions that I have that I think a lot of us have who who don't know anyone who's trans or don't know that we know anyone. And I go, please, I expect you to say no, I'm not trying to exploit our friendship. And she did. She said no, And then I think the more she wrapped her head around it. She thought, no, this could be this be cool, and this could help me with my transition. And to be quite frank, to not get too deep on it, it would just be a blast to get someone to pay for us to take us out. So we did it, and it is one of the more remarkable things I've ever gotten to be a part of the response to this. We've been at a number of film festivals and we were just in London. We're gonna do some more promotion here in the States, and people are really responding to this discussion that we have. Obviously we're talking about the trans experience, but at the same time, it's really just a movie about having your friends back. It's about friendship, it's about advocacy, it's about it's really about civility, which we're finding that everyone's thirsting for. Just let's just be nice to each other. And it's really funny. We make fun of fun of each other the entire road trip, and yeah, it's I'm very proud of it.
Talking to Will Ferrell. The documentary comes out Friday, September twenty seventh, that's called Will and Harper and Harper Steel comes out as a trans woman and they embark on a road trip. There is a great line in the trailer where the fact that she's now a woman, you ask if about her driving skills.
Yes, yes, Immediately I say, now that you're a woman, are you a worst driver? And she immediately starts to dispute it and say, come on, give me a break, And then she says, but yes.
I am risk for you and doing something like this, I mean, it's not in your normal wheelhouse here, right, You know, I.
Thought about all the ramifications prior to doing something like this, positive or negative. And you know, I, once I kind of make a decision about any sort of creative choice, or really any sort of life choice, I'm not want to really look back and second guess it. So yeah, possibly. At the same time, I think this is an opportunity for someone who'd be considered part of my audience, a chance to be educated in an area that they wouldn't think about. Also, it helps when you're kind of on the down side of your career. There's a you know, I'm a low a lister high B list actor these days, so I think there's no risk whatsoever.
When were you an a lister?
Well, that doesn't Dan come on, I had a great run.
Well, no, when did you become that a lister? Was there? What was there a moment where you go, yep, honey, I'm an a lister.
Well, I that's my mantra. I tell myself that every day I look in the mirror.
But I by the way, your hair is looking Napoleon Dynamite like you're you're with the glasses and the hair. It's never the same way twice.
Yeah, well that's the that's why.
Hollywood, that's an a lister.
Yeah, don't cut your hair. You never know if you need it long or short.
But you did become an a lister at one point.
I guess so. I guess it was. Uh, it was kind of the It was kind of the trifecta of old school Elf and Anchorman that uh that that put me on the map and Elf.
I mean, who would have thought, Well, I, you didn't think that was.
Gonna be I I certainly didn't.
That was career suicide. Probably could have been. I guess, well, I.
Think we I think we talked about it and how this is uh. Yeah, I I just remember sitting in a very small trailer in New York, kind of the first week of filming, staring at myself with a with a very dangerous space heater in the wall that was sparking, and thinking to myself, oh this this movie better work or or or you're done? Are you?
Are you a European soccer owner? Now? Is it official?
With it is official? So you're you're remember of leads? Leads understand? In fact, I just caught a match last weekend.
Yeah, and it.
Was it was fantastic. They they lost, but so I hope I'm invited back. But no, amazing atmosphere, you know, going over there watching those games are unlike any other.
I'm not this. These are preliminary talks, but somebody at ESPN said they're thinking of doing a thirty for thirty on our trip to Dublin and oh yeah yeah, I think.
This is our one year, one month anniversary.
Yes, right around the time, yes, yes, yes, your favorite memory of going with this show to Dublin was.
Favorite memory?
Oh my gosh, if you don't remember anything, that's okay.
I do remember. I do remember going to that. We went to that whiskey bar after one of the shows. Yeah, and we were having some keeper's heart. But there was always it was this collection of whiskeys, and I remember we were standing out front and I think we were I think we were having a cigar out there in front. And I do remember being you to laugh because the police. There was a police car coming down the road and I just took off running and everyone looked. Half the people thought, oh god, he's really in trouble.
Did you have a yellow jumpsuit?
And yeah, Dan, you were right there on the bit. You knew. I always that's a go do move of mine. If I hear a siren, I just take off.
The start running. My favorite moment was seeing you and Brady Quinn wrestling.
Well, also to the form tackle of the Notre Dame coach when he lifted me three feet off the ground.
Oh Marcus Freeman, Yeah, Marcus Freeman, Yeah. Yeah. You're like a stunt man. You do your own stunts. You're like Tom Cruise kind of.
I was supposed to do that movie that Ryan Gosling did, Oh really, but I turned it down. I let Ryan. I let Ryan do it.
Eh.
Wait, I got a question, Dan, did you guys go to Minneapolis?
Yes?
Were you in a parade?
Yes? What where was I I don't I always feel like I asked too much of you.
I would have been there in a heart I would have I.
Would have you would have been there in a keeper's heart beat. Yes, but yes I was the Grand Marshal.
Oh you were the Grand Marshal. So you didn't want you didn't want anyone getting in your baby made it?
Okay?
I get it.
Probably so probably in retrospect, I wanted the state. See, you're right, I didn't want you there. Yeah, I didn't want you there. Next year, Next year, I.
Want to be I want to be on my own float way in the back.
Okay, we can do that.
I want to be on just a bicycle. Was some streamers, but we could.
Just get liquored up and have a good time.
I still need to Brian, Brian Nation keeps counting me. I got to go out and sample from my own barrel.
You have your barrel there.
I have my barrel and it's had to buy an extra seed and coach to.
Bring it all. Yeah, your Trojan's in the big house tomorrow.
I know.
Very exciting. This is a this is a real litmus test for us. What do you say?
I mean?
It all comes down to stopping the run right.
And playing good defense and protecting the football.
But I'm not talking about football. I'm talking about it in life. It all comes down to stopping the run.
Good luck with the movie the documentary. It's on Netflix. It's next Friday, September twenty seventh, and if you want to taste of it, you can download the trailer. It is the emblematic hope of the documentary, and if it is, it'll be awesome. But Will and his good friend of thirty years, Harper Steele, comes out as a trans woman, and hilarity Ensue says, they embark on a road trip there.
Absolutely, it's surprisingly funny. Thanks Dan, I appreciate you having me on and getting to talk about this. Yeah, it's one of the cooler things I've gotten to be a part of.
Well, you said that playing all nine positions in spring training might have been a little better than this, more rewarding, but.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Yeah.
Well, the Westminster Dog Show will be there.
Okay, Now I'm serious. Al Michael's wants to do this.
God love him. Yeah, I can't say no to that. There's no way I could say no to that.
All right, thanks for joining us as always. All Right, he's a European soccer club owner he leads
