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The Thanksgiving hangover is absolutely real on this Black Friday, still talking about what happened between the Bears and Lions and Doug. This is the great thing about what happened yesterday are these Thanksgiving Day games on TV, on Fox, on CBS are the highest ranging games throughout the regular season, year after year after year. So on full display was the incompetency of the Chicago Bears in a game that is probably going to be first or second of the highest rate of games that we'll see in the regular season.

The Thanksgiving hangover is absolutely real on this Black Friday, still talking about what happened between the Bears and Lions and Doug. This is the great thing about what happened yesterday are these Thanksgiving Day games on TV, on Fox, on CBS are the highest ranging games throughout the regular season, year after year after year. So on full display was the incompetency of the Chicago Bears in a game that is probably going to be first or second of the highest rate of games that we'll see in the regular season.

Yep, pretty much, I've never seen anything like that. And maybe and Bears fans are sitting there going like, welcome to my world. But I've never seen anything like that. Like, you had a time out and you could have dirted the ball. There's a million things you could have done, and you barely get a playoff and don't even get an opportunity to second play like it was so indescribably awful to watch. I had sympathy for Bears fans.

Yep, pretty much, I've never seen anything like that. And maybe and Bears fans are sitting there going like, welcome to my world. But I've never seen anything like that. Like, you had a time out and you could have dirted the ball. There's a million things you could have done, and you barely get a playoff and don't even get an opportunity to second play like it was so indescribably awful to watch. I had sympathy for Bears fans.

You know where I compared it to like immediately in the aftermath, because because he said, you haven't seen anything like that, it reminded me of the Sopranos ending when people we are like, wait, that's it, it, it's just over, it's done.

You know where I compared it to like immediately in the aftermath, because because he said, you haven't seen anything like that, it reminded me of the Sopranos ending when people we are like, wait, that's it, it, it's just over, it's done.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And because it was so sudden, you felt that the Bears had all this time, a little bit like I think super Bowl fifty six at the end where you thought the Bengals were driving, they get to midfield and they have what a second and one and then they get a couple of stops and then Aaron Donald Reeke's havoc and oh that's the game. That's over. The Rams have won the Super Bowl. That's what yesterday out like.

And because it was so sudden, you felt that the Bears had all this time, a little bit like I think super Bowl fifty six at the end where you thought the Bengals were driving, they get to midfield and they have what a second and one and then they get a couple of stops and then Aaron Donald Reeke's havoc and oh that's the game. That's over. The Rams have won the Super Bowl. That's what yesterday out like.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I I agree with you, and it it felt like we're missing something. But these I felt like all of America is streaming at the TV.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I I agree with you, and it it felt like we're missing something. But these I felt like all of America is streaming at the TV.

Yes, I just well, yeah, yeah, I agree.

Yes, I just well, yeah, yeah, I agree.

Here here's the setup. So I took my team to my country club, oh not a country club for Thanksgiving dinner, and we have one. Ryan Wade is a six year senior. He's from Michigan's from an arbor, Michigan, and so he's got he's always rocking his Lions jersey. Matter of fact, when the Lions came in and beat the Packers, it's great trash talk and he he you know, they all owned it with him in the locker room. But we're watching as kind of dinner is sort of wrapping up, and collectively everyone is first that the the the ups and downs of watching Caleb Williams play are are really I mean, I again, it's it's like, well, he's just a rookie, but there are some pleasure, like God, he's awful. Then you're like, well, you know they're not bad. Then all of a sudden, they start kind of moving the football, they score a touchdown, they're down three points. The Lions were kind of asleep of the wheel. The lines were almost it was almost as if, hey, why don't you guys come and beat us because we're not really that into this thing. And then you drive down the field and it's a pretty obvious situation to call a timeout, clock, a ball whatever, And I just, again I could be wrong because I was simply sitting in the bar area with thirty or so other guys. But everyone I know is screaming at the TV, like, what are you doing? Call it timeout, Dirk the football? What are you it's And there's only one Lions fan and no one is a Bears fan just watching that debucle And then the comments afterward from me reflu She's like.

Here here's the setup. So I took my team to my country club, oh not a country club for Thanksgiving dinner, and we have one. Ryan Wade is a six year senior. He's from Michigan's from an arbor, Michigan, and so he's got he's always rocking his Lions jersey. Matter of fact, when the Lions came in and beat the Packers, it's great trash talk and he he you know, they all owned it with him in the locker room. But we're watching as kind of dinner is sort of wrapping up, and collectively everyone is first that the the the ups and downs of watching Caleb Williams play are are really I mean, I again, it's it's like, well, he's just a rookie, but there are some pleasure, like God, he's awful. Then you're like, well, you know they're not bad. Then all of a sudden, they start kind of moving the football, they score a touchdown, they're down three points. The Lions were kind of asleep of the wheel. The lines were almost it was almost as if, hey, why don't you guys come and beat us because we're not really that into this thing. And then you drive down the field and it's a pretty obvious situation to call a timeout, clock, a ball whatever, And I just, again I could be wrong because I was simply sitting in the bar area with thirty or so other guys. But everyone I know is screaming at the TV, like, what are you doing? Call it timeout, Dirk the football? What are you it's And there's only one Lions fan and no one is a Bears fan just watching that debucle And then the comments afterward from me reflu She's like.

What.

What.

His explanation? It's tough to understand.

His explanation? It's tough to understand.

Then we're there at second and twenty, you know, take the sack right there, you know, So we're at thirty six seconds right there, And our hope was, because it was third going into fourth, that we would we wreck that play at eighteen seconds, throw it in, bounce, get into field goal range, and then call the time out. And that's where it was. And that was our decision making process on that. Again, we were outside the field goal range, you know, so we needed to get a few more yards in there as close as we can get, and then we're gonna call time out. And that's why we held that last time out at the end of the game.

Then we're there at second and twenty, you know, take the sack right there, you know, So we're at thirty six seconds right there, And our hope was, because it was third going into fourth, that we would we wreck that play at eighteen seconds, throw it in, bounce, get into field goal range, and then call the time out. And that's where it was. And that was our decision making process on that. Again, we were outside the field goal range, you know, so we needed to get a few more yards in there as close as we can get, and then we're gonna call time out. And that's why we held that last time out at the end of the game.

I like what we did there.

I like what we did there.

Again, once it's under seven, you know you're gonna you're gonna call you know, time out there or actually under twelve, and then really you don't have an option, you know, because it's third to fourth. You got to throw it into the end zone. Then, So to me, it's uh, I think we handled it the right way, but I do believe that, uh, just we wreck the play, get it in bounce and call time out, and that's why we held it and didn't work out the way we wanted it to.

Again, once it's under seven, you know you're gonna you're gonna call you know, time out there or actually under twelve, and then really you don't have an option, you know, because it's third to fourth. You got to throw it into the end zone. Then, So to me, it's uh, I think we handled it the right way, but I do believe that, uh, just we wreck the play, get it in bounce and call time out, and that's why we held it and didn't work out the way we wanted it to.

I mean, firstly, is this is an obvious one, right, everyone I know was streaming. You can't take a sack there, So that is on Caleb Williams. I can't can't take us, can't take us, can't die. You can't take a sack there. Right, And then and what he was saying is they obviously have their rules under twelve, call a timeout. He didn't do it, you know under seven, and you gotta throw it, you know, throw it for the end zone. I understand all of that, but just the well, what about that time gap between when when the last play ended and when you got to under twelve under seven?

I mean, firstly, is this is an obvious one, right, everyone I know was streaming. You can't take a sack there, So that is on Caleb Williams. I can't can't take us, can't take us, can't die. You can't take a sack there. Right, And then and what he was saying is they obviously have their rules under twelve, call a timeout. He didn't do it, you know under seven, and you gotta throw it, you know, throw it for the end zone. I understand all of that, but just the well, what about that time gap between when when the last play ended and when you got to under twelve under seven?

Here's what's there's so many layers to this. It's amazing because Doug even on this drive a couple of plays earlier, they actually had two timeouts, but they took one in a dead ball situation because the play clock was running down, so they threw an incomplete pass and they had a second down and ten, and they ended up calling a timeout because eber Flus didn't think that Caleb Williams was going to get the snap off. Williams actually, I think was planning on getting the snap off and knew the play clock was running down and was going to just take advantage of the pause on the double zero where you can still snap it. And he seemed frustrated that he was unable to get the playoff and that the Bears called timeout, So they wasted one of their timeouts just on a dead ball scenario inside the thirty yard line. They had forty six seconds left, they had two timeouts. They're at the Lions twenty five yard line. At that point, you're thinking, to heck, with the field goal, we can win this thing. Yes, let's put it into the end zone.

Here's what's there's so many layers to this. It's amazing because Doug even on this drive a couple of plays earlier, they actually had two timeouts, but they took one in a dead ball situation because the play clock was running down, so they threw an incomplete pass and they had a second down and ten, and they ended up calling a timeout because eber Flus didn't think that Caleb Williams was going to get the snap off. Williams actually, I think was planning on getting the snap off and knew the play clock was running down and was going to just take advantage of the pause on the double zero where you can still snap it. And he seemed frustrated that he was unable to get the playoff and that the Bears called timeout, So they wasted one of their timeouts just on a dead ball scenario inside the thirty yard line. They had forty six seconds left, they had two timeouts. They're at the Lions twenty five yard line. At that point, you're thinking, to heck, with the field goal, we can win this thing. Yes, let's put it into the end zone.

Yes not.

Yes not.

How are we going to end up out of field goal range and have time run out on us? Yes, the furthest thing from anyone's mind.

How are we going to end up out of field goal range and have time run out on us? Yes, the furthest thing from anyone's mind.

And look, Ebra Fluis is not an offensive guy, but it's pretty obvious if you listen to what he's saying they do have rules and a process, and you know, it's couldn't be more obvious that those two are not on the same page. I would say that Caleb Williams strikes me, and this is a little bit of inside knowledge of his time at SC as a guy who's really smart. But this is the issue with really smart young players. They think they know everything, right. I means most of us when we're in our early twenties, especially when people tell us we're smart, we think we know everything. And you know, now it's on full display and end of the day that looks like a poorly coach football team. There's just no other way you can say it.

And look, Ebra Fluis is not an offensive guy, but it's pretty obvious if you listen to what he's saying they do have rules and a process, and you know, it's couldn't be more obvious that those two are not on the same page. I would say that Caleb Williams strikes me, and this is a little bit of inside knowledge of his time at SC as a guy who's really smart. But this is the issue with really smart young players. They think they know everything, right. I means most of us when we're in our early twenties, especially when people tell us we're smart, we think we know everything. And you know, now it's on full display and end of the day that looks like a poorly coach football team. There's just no other way you can say it.

I think from top to bottom. One of the biggest problems that I had was they don't have a kicker on their team that can kick a fifty eight yard field goal indoors Ebriflu says that they needed more yards because of Caleb Williams taking that sack to kick a field goal. Then the longest field goal in NFL history is what sixty six yards from Justin Tucker kicked where Ford Field, home of the Detroit Lions and the Bears, where I think collateral damage plays in I think what happened the last couple of weeks ago against the Packers ends up playing into their mind and settling for that field goal at that time. But man, and it was the only thing to think about it was it was third down long.

I think from top to bottom. One of the biggest problems that I had was they don't have a kicker on their team that can kick a fifty eight yard field goal indoors Ebriflu says that they needed more yards because of Caleb Williams taking that sack to kick a field goal. Then the longest field goal in NFL history is what sixty six yards from Justin Tucker kicked where Ford Field, home of the Detroit Lions and the Bears, where I think collateral damage plays in I think what happened the last couple of weeks ago against the Packers ends up playing into their mind and settling for that field goal at that time. But man, and it was the only thing to think about it was it was third down long.

Yes, think about this year Bears fan, Okay, should have won the Packers game, probably should have won the Vikings game. Had the Commander's game won. Doesn't mean you would have won last night or yesterday afternoon, but that thing at least should have gone overtime. And you're sitting here and again like, what's the expression. There's a football expression. More games are lost than one. I have a ton of respect for what Dan Campbell and the Lions have done overall. Yesterday they didn't win that game. The Bears lost that game. There's just no other way. And the same thing with the Commander's game. They didn't win that. The Canners didn't win that game. The Bears lost that game. And and as a as a Charger fan, I mean a Jay stew are like, I don't even have PTSD for that because as poorly coached the problem with the Chargers, especially in Brandon Staley, were guys were just wide open, right like it was the defensive guy and they just had leave dudes wide open. But the one compy, the one comp is was will always be that the Chargers just found ways to lose games they should rightfully win. And that's where the Bears are. And then there's got to be the added part to it, like then if we want to get the brass tacks, could have gotten rid of Eberflus last year chose not to Harball, and again I don't know if he chooses the Bears when he could have chosen his own quarterback. But Harball leaves Michigan, he goes to the Chargers and they are immediately a playoff team. You stick with Eberflus and this season has been a debacle. Here's here's Caleb Williams after the game talking about some of the communication issues.

Yes, think about this year Bears fan, Okay, should have won the Packers game, probably should have won the Vikings game. Had the Commander's game won. Doesn't mean you would have won last night or yesterday afternoon, but that thing at least should have gone overtime. And you're sitting here and again like, what's the expression. There's a football expression. More games are lost than one. I have a ton of respect for what Dan Campbell and the Lions have done overall. Yesterday they didn't win that game. The Bears lost that game. There's just no other way. And the same thing with the Commander's game. They didn't win that. The Canners didn't win that game. The Bears lost that game. And and as a as a Charger fan, I mean a Jay stew are like, I don't even have PTSD for that because as poorly coached the problem with the Chargers, especially in Brandon Staley, were guys were just wide open, right like it was the defensive guy and they just had leave dudes wide open. But the one compy, the one comp is was will always be that the Chargers just found ways to lose games they should rightfully win. And that's where the Bears are. And then there's got to be the added part to it, like then if we want to get the brass tacks, could have gotten rid of Eberflus last year chose not to Harball, and again I don't know if he chooses the Bears when he could have chosen his own quarterback. But Harball leaves Michigan, he goes to the Chargers and they are immediately a playoff team. You stick with Eberflus and this season has been a debacle. Here's here's Caleb Williams after the game talking about some of the communication issues.

I don't have a microphone to speak to coach or anything like that, so there was there wasn't like any huge communication that situation. You get a call with that time, you gotta, you know, you gotta try and get the guys back. I get everybody lined up, so you go run a play and you know, we got lined up, got the play, and then you know, I made an adjustment because I saw the clock running down, knowing that if we complete a ball and you know, in bounds or anything like that, we won't have time to kick a field goal or anything like that. So you know, I made adjustment new Rome was either gonna be one on one or he was gonna you know, beat the safety and be one on one there, and you know, tried to give him a shot. We got the shot and miss.

I don't have a microphone to speak to coach or anything like that, so there was there wasn't like any huge communication that situation. You get a call with that time, you gotta, you know, you gotta try and get the guys back. I get everybody lined up, so you go run a play and you know, we got lined up, got the play, and then you know, I made an adjustment because I saw the clock running down, knowing that if we complete a ball and you know, in bounds or anything like that, we won't have time to kick a field goal or anything like that. So you know, I made adjustment new Rome was either gonna be one on one or he was gonna you know, beat the safety and be one on one there, and you know, tried to give him a shot. We got the shot and miss.

Okay, so that didn't make sense because he had a time out. Here's Caleb Williams was said he was surprised that the timeout wasn't called.

Okay, so that didn't make sense because he had a time out. Here's Caleb Williams was said he was surprised that the timeout wasn't called.

All the time out. We cannot surprise. I'm not gonna say surprise or not. Just my job is to go out there and make plays. My job is to get everybody lined up.

All the time out. We cannot surprise. I'm not gonna say surprise or not. Just my job is to go out there and make plays. My job is to get everybody lined up.

That's it. Win games. So didn't do that today.

That's it. Win games. So didn't do that today.

You know, I could have gave Rome a you know, maybe a little bit more of a jump ball in that situation instead of maybe trying to throw it over his shoulder anything like that. But you know, with that situation, that's not what happened.

You know, I could have gave Rome a you know, maybe a little bit more of a jump ball in that situation instead of maybe trying to throw it over his shoulder anything like that. But you know, with that situation, that's not what happened.

Yeah, So in other words, he adjusted as if they didn't have a timeout when they did have a timeout. Again, that's on Caleb Williams, and you can hear from the confidence in his voice kind of what I'm talking about Dan, which is like he's not an idiot. He's actually really bright, but I think he thinks he knows everything. He's like, yeah, you know that situation, you know, we didn't couldn't couldn't you know, couldn't get a clock for a field goal? Like, yeah, you can. He goes down and call timeout.

Yeah, So in other words, he adjusted as if they didn't have a timeout when they did have a timeout. Again, that's on Caleb Williams, and you can hear from the confidence in his voice kind of what I'm talking about Dan, which is like he's not an idiot. He's actually really bright, but I think he thinks he knows everything. He's like, yeah, you know that situation, you know, we didn't couldn't couldn't you know, couldn't get a clock for a field goal? Like, yeah, you can. He goes down and call timeout.

Yeah, And he also made it explain it almost felt like it was a one on one situation. I think he may may have mentioned, well it wasn't. There were actually two lines defenders. If Romadunze catches that pass, he's actually still in the field of play. Time probably runs out anyway. Just a bad decision if you're looking at the and you decide to throw it that far downfield.

Yeah, And he also made it explain it almost felt like it was a one on one situation. I think he may may have mentioned, well it wasn't. There were actually two lines defenders. If Romadunze catches that pass, he's actually still in the field of play. Time probably runs out anyway. Just a bad decision if you're looking at the and you decide to throw it that far downfield.

I just I just I just I just sat there and was Austin. I tweeted this, Dan, and I'm not saying this because you don't follow me whatever, like, but this is how I felt. I just I turned and I was with my coach, was like, what do we just watch? And then what you do? This is like when you know you're a coach is you start to scramble. You like to go have we have we gone over? Have we gone over? All these situations? They're like, yeah, like no, have we gone over? And then I it's funny because you know the other thing happening this time of year. In addition to all these standalone football games, we got our first Black Friday games as well today Doug Gottlib Dan Byron for Dan The Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio is this is a huge feast week. College basketball is everywhere. So all my players are watching games and sending me plays like coach, can we do this? Coach, can we do that? I want to do this? And I had my point guard was like, hey, we're fouling up three, fouling up three, aren't we? Like yeah, we talked about this in the summer and early in the fall. He's like under seven seconds, Yeah, Like we need to go back over that. I guess we do. So that's when like you know you've swipped into full coach mode. Is when you're watching a different sport and then you turn to your coaches and you're like, hey, we got to go over all this stuff. I just we cannot look like that. Yeah, because I don't even know what I just saw.

I just I just I just I just sat there and was Austin. I tweeted this, Dan, and I'm not saying this because you don't follow me whatever, like, but this is how I felt. I just I turned and I was with my coach, was like, what do we just watch? And then what you do? This is like when you know you're a coach is you start to scramble. You like to go have we have we gone over? Have we gone over? All these situations? They're like, yeah, like no, have we gone over? And then I it's funny because you know the other thing happening this time of year. In addition to all these standalone football games, we got our first Black Friday games as well today Doug Gottlib Dan Byron for Dan The Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio is this is a huge feast week. College basketball is everywhere. So all my players are watching games and sending me plays like coach, can we do this? Coach, can we do that? I want to do this? And I had my point guard was like, hey, we're fouling up three, fouling up three, aren't we? Like yeah, we talked about this in the summer and early in the fall. He's like under seven seconds, Yeah, Like we need to go back over that. I guess we do. So that's when like you know you've swipped into full coach mode. Is when you're watching a different sport and then you turn to your coaches and you're like, hey, we got to go over all this stuff. I just we cannot look like that. Yeah, because I don't even know what I just saw.

I was in your In for You on your normal show on Fox Sports Radio yesterday and we had Tim Patrick of the Lions on afterwards. Asked him about the scenario. He had no idea what the Bears were doing. I asked him if they have a plan with the Lions on if it's him or Ben Johnson or Jared Goffer, anybody who would call a time out. He goes, yeah, we have a plan in that scenario on how we would handle it. Now, Dan Campbell hasn't always been the greatest in time management at times, but the fact is, at least the Lions said that they had a plan, and to me what I felt I felt the Green Bay game, so came in to question as the clock was ticking down and when eber Flu says, you know, we got to a certain point, I almost feel like at eighteen seconds he felt it was out of his hands, but it never should be when you're the head coach, because he felt like, if we call a time out here, then we can't throw it inbounds and we're not close enough and we're not going to be able to get our kicking unit out in time. If the clock continues to run, and so then I think he kind of froze and panicked when he probably should have then just called the timeout at seven seconds left, so they at least run a play or figure out what they're going to do, and instead it just ended.

I was in your In for You on your normal show on Fox Sports Radio yesterday and we had Tim Patrick of the Lions on afterwards. Asked him about the scenario. He had no idea what the Bears were doing. I asked him if they have a plan with the Lions on if it's him or Ben Johnson or Jared Goffer, anybody who would call a time out. He goes, yeah, we have a plan in that scenario on how we would handle it. Now, Dan Campbell hasn't always been the greatest in time management at times, but the fact is, at least the Lions said that they had a plan, and to me what I felt I felt the Green Bay game, so came in to question as the clock was ticking down and when eber Flu says, you know, we got to a certain point, I almost feel like at eighteen seconds he felt it was out of his hands, but it never should be when you're the head coach, because he felt like, if we call a time out here, then we can't throw it inbounds and we're not close enough and we're not going to be able to get our kicking unit out in time. If the clock continues to run, and so then I think he kind of froze and panicked when he probably should have then just called the timeout at seven seconds left, so they at least run a play or figure out what they're going to do, and instead it just ended.

Well, it's it's interesting, and look, we have this discussion as we go, but it's like I would say, the number one thing that I'm learning on the fly is the use of the timeouts. You know, we played Okahma State the first game as one point game at the half, they made a run and because in college basketball under sixteen you have a timeout. Under twelve you have a timeout, I found myself kind of thinking in like a right, do I call one? Now? Do I not Nike again? And you have three in the second half, you have four ones that use it or lose it in the first half, and you end up like questioning yourself, Okay, when do I use it? So, if you've watched our games, my use of timeouts has is starting to kind of change involved. I'm you know, when you coach in in FEBA basketball, you get three, but only two you can use under two minutes in the second half, right, So that's it's like a different you can't use all three, can't pocket all three? There When you coach like AAU basketball, usually you get either one or two timeouts a half and that's it. And obviously there's no media timeouts, so you're you're kind of trying to figure and manipulating and you got to pocket at least one if you can. But do you pocket two? Like it's a it's an interesting thing. My point to Eberflus is I totally understand, like those timeouts they can get away, you know, do I save one? Do I use one? But it's not like this is first year coaching, i'd being a head coach. It's not like he hasn't been an end of game scenarios before. And I just their their use and misuse of all of it. It just and again this is probably the point you made about the kicker is is the right one, which is if you just look at this uh in a in a vacuum and it's a one off and it's a really bad look and it's one game against the Detroit lines, You're like, you know what, they just got screwed up. Maybe in maybe in the super not the in where the Lion's played Ford field. Maybe the clocks are hard to find, maybe they just made a mistake. Okay, but then when you factor in they lost an overtime last week, they lost the Packers on a on a block field goal, the Commanders things to debacle. Overall, it just does not look like a well run unit. You also combined the fact that GM doesn't have a good enough kicker indoors to kick fifty eight yards, which though it seems long in our brains in twenty twenty four, these dudes can make it from sixty plus, especially indoors. The whole thing is just a complete mess, complete mess.

Well, it's it's interesting, and look, we have this discussion as we go, but it's like I would say, the number one thing that I'm learning on the fly is the use of the timeouts. You know, we played Okahma State the first game as one point game at the half, they made a run and because in college basketball under sixteen you have a timeout. Under twelve you have a timeout, I found myself kind of thinking in like a right, do I call one? Now? Do I not Nike again? And you have three in the second half, you have four ones that use it or lose it in the first half, and you end up like questioning yourself, Okay, when do I use it? So, if you've watched our games, my use of timeouts has is starting to kind of change involved. I'm you know, when you coach in in FEBA basketball, you get three, but only two you can use under two minutes in the second half, right, So that's it's like a different you can't use all three, can't pocket all three? There When you coach like AAU basketball, usually you get either one or two timeouts a half and that's it. And obviously there's no media timeouts, so you're you're kind of trying to figure and manipulating and you got to pocket at least one if you can. But do you pocket two? Like it's a it's an interesting thing. My point to Eberflus is I totally understand, like those timeouts they can get away, you know, do I save one? Do I use one? But it's not like this is first year coaching, i'd being a head coach. It's not like he hasn't been an end of game scenarios before. And I just their their use and misuse of all of it. It just and again this is probably the point you made about the kicker is is the right one, which is if you just look at this uh in a in a vacuum and it's a one off and it's a really bad look and it's one game against the Detroit lines, You're like, you know what, they just got screwed up. Maybe in maybe in the super not the in where the Lion's played Ford field. Maybe the clocks are hard to find, maybe they just made a mistake. Okay, but then when you factor in they lost an overtime last week, they lost the Packers on a on a block field goal, the Commanders things to debacle. Overall, it just does not look like a well run unit. You also combined the fact that GM doesn't have a good enough kicker indoors to kick fifty eight yards, which though it seems long in our brains in twenty twenty four, these dudes can make it from sixty plus, especially indoors. The whole thing is just a complete mess, complete mess.

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Obviously, Tom Brady was on the call yesterday of the Giants Cowboys game, right that was the Big America's what do we call it, America's Football Game of America's afrigat America's game where he's on the Cowboys Giants call, and Dan, I don't know if you heard this, okay, but this was Tom Brady said this about Daniel Jones asking to be released by the Giants.

Obviously, Tom Brady was on the call yesterday of the Giants Cowboys game, right that was the Big America's what do we call it, America's Football Game of America's afrigat America's game where he's on the Cowboys Giants call, and Dan, I don't know if you heard this, okay, but this was Tom Brady said this about Daniel Jones asking to be released by the Giants.

I don't know how the whole situation went down, but to think that you would ask for a release from a team that committed a lot to you as maybe different than.

I don't know how the whole situation went down, but to think that you would ask for a release from a team that committed a lot to you as maybe different than.

I would have handled that.

I would have handled that.

I always felt I wanted to get the trust and respect of my teammates, regardless situation, knowing that I was trying to do the best I put for the team because that was the.

I always felt I wanted to get the trust and respect of my teammates, regardless situation, knowing that I was trying to do the best I put for the team because that was the.

Most important thing. There's just some different things that.

Most important thing. There's just some different things that.

Happened in the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices, and I think we're all at points in our career face different challenges. I faced them in college and some things didn't go the way I wanted. But the people that mattered most of me were the guys in the locker room.

Happened in the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices, and I think we're all at points in our career face different challenges. I faced them in college and some things didn't go the way I wanted. But the people that mattered most of me were the guys in the locker room.

I showed up every day.

I showed up every day.

I don't care if they asked me to be Scout team safety, the Scout team quarterback.

I don't care if they asked me to be Scout team safety, the Scout team quarterback.

I was going to do whatever I could.

I was going to do whatever I could.

To help the team win.

To help the team win.

Yeah. So Tom Brady like, it sounds great to say, right, It's like, man, I would have showed up no matter what I would have been Scout Team safety. The problem with it is it's so far from the reality where Daniel Jones actually offered up to be the Scout team safety. The problem is that the way in which these contracts are constructed ark Dominic in a second, Dan, but you know this is they can't the Giants can't put him out there even for practice, for risk of injury, because if he gets hurt even at practice, well then they owe him even more money. Right that contract is already in Alba. Trust it gets even worse.

Yeah. So Tom Brady like, it sounds great to say, right, It's like, man, I would have showed up no matter what I would have been Scout Team safety. The problem with it is it's so far from the reality where Daniel Jones actually offered up to be the Scout team safety. The problem is that the way in which these contracts are constructed ark Dominic in a second, Dan, but you know this is they can't the Giants can't put him out there even for practice, for risk of injury, because if he gets hurt even at practice, well then they owe him even more money. Right that contract is already in Alba. Trust it gets even worse.

There's there's a lot to it. And I also look at as just as Brady trying to make the transition as a broadcaster and Mike Florio often frequent guest with the Dan Patrick. Obviously on the Dan Patrick Show, Florio pointed out that this is your job as an analyst to do this sort of thing, to get that information. I understand that you're coming from the player's perspective, but I think a simple conversation, which was Florio's point, would have solved this whole riddle for Tom Brady. Instead to give his perspective the way that he did.

There's there's a lot to it. And I also look at as just as Brady trying to make the transition as a broadcaster and Mike Florio often frequent guest with the Dan Patrick. Obviously on the Dan Patrick Show, Florio pointed out that this is your job as an analyst to do this sort of thing, to get that information. I understand that you're coming from the player's perspective, but I think a simple conversation, which was Florio's point, would have solved this whole riddle for Tom Brady. Instead to give his perspective the way that he did.

It's really interesting because I would I would say that if I had my analysis of his analysis generally is he's been he's been way over prepared, and he has he's got to do games for a couple of years, and you know, in order to truly get comfortable and just find his voice, but in this particular case, it felt like Tom Brady was It was like his ted talk. You know. It was like one of those Instagram reels on Tom Brady that has made him very popular, which is like I would have showed up to work no matter what, no matter what, Like, yeah, dude, all you got to do is make a call. You're Tom Brady. They're gonna pick up the phone. And they would have said, like, hey, look, he wanted to go there, but they don't want him around, okay because he can't participate if he gets hurt, costs us more money. Like he actually did a solid by the team by removing himself from the situation. All right, more on that to come. Let's welcome in. Mark Dominic, of course, was the former gentle manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. By the way, he joins us weekly on the Doug Gotlib Show. You should check out those hits. Just download the Doug Gotlib Show podcast. Mark, am I am I wrong?

It's really interesting because I would I would say that if I had my analysis of his analysis generally is he's been he's been way over prepared, and he has he's got to do games for a couple of years, and you know, in order to truly get comfortable and just find his voice, but in this particular case, it felt like Tom Brady was It was like his ted talk. You know. It was like one of those Instagram reels on Tom Brady that has made him very popular, which is like I would have showed up to work no matter what, no matter what, Like, yeah, dude, all you got to do is make a call. You're Tom Brady. They're gonna pick up the phone. And they would have said, like, hey, look, he wanted to go there, but they don't want him around, okay because he can't participate if he gets hurt, costs us more money. Like he actually did a solid by the team by removing himself from the situation. All right, more on that to come. Let's welcome in. Mark Dominic, of course, was the former gentle manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. By the way, he joins us weekly on the Doug Gotlib Show. You should check out those hits. Just download the Doug Gotlib Show podcast. Mark, am I am I wrong?

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Like Tom Brady said, it's one of those like grand standing get applause from people. Tom would show up to work no matter what when the reality is that it's better for everybody if you decide to move on from Daniel Jones to not have him around the organization.

Like Tom Brady said, it's one of those like grand standing get applause from people. Tom would show up to work no matter what when the reality is that it's better for everybody if you decide to move on from Daniel Jones to not have him around the organization.

Morning, guys, And yeah, I agree. I hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving and hopefully enjoyed the games. But I agree with you guys. I mean, it's pretty standard, and Tom's never in this kind of position right not where his contract is just overbearing and the reality is the organization is moving on and walking away, and so therefore he can't see it from that lens. But he could have been better prepared for that comment. I'm sure he faced a little bit of backlash today, has deserved. But no, this is a decision made around the table with the agent, player club, et cetera, all deciding that that's the best interest. And I don't disagree that he shouldn't be there. I am sure that with the injuries that it looks like he could have played, they would have still gone through lock. And so it is what it is.

Morning, guys, And yeah, I agree. I hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving and hopefully enjoyed the games. But I agree with you guys. I mean, it's pretty standard, and Tom's never in this kind of position right not where his contract is just overbearing and the reality is the organization is moving on and walking away, and so therefore he can't see it from that lens. But he could have been better prepared for that comment. I'm sure he faced a little bit of backlash today, has deserved. But no, this is a decision made around the table with the agent, player club, et cetera, all deciding that that's the best interest. And I don't disagree that he shouldn't be there. I am sure that with the injuries that it looks like he could have played, they would have still gone through lock. And so it is what it is.

Is it simple enough, since we're talking about Daniel Jones, that the Vikings make this move basically just for insurance purposes for the rest of the season because it seems like they have a future. What do you think was going through the mind of Qusia Delpha Menza making that signing for Minnesota.

Is it simple enough, since we're talking about Daniel Jones, that the Vikings make this move basically just for insurance purposes for the rest of the season because it seems like they have a future. What do you think was going through the mind of Qusia Delpha Menza making that signing for Minnesota.

Yeah, I think I think they're just kind of looking at all things. I think they're kind of looking at from a perspective of not sure where their quarterback is in terms of help, knowing that more than the likely Sam Donald's going to find a different home in twenty twenty five, and therefore we can already be protected with the backup quarterback and get to see him and let our coaches get to feel him, understand him, and see what ticks and let our coaches have a little play with him. We've seen what they've done with Sam Donald and be making Minnesota relevant in twenty twenty four, and I think that they're trying to say, hey, let's kick the tires on this one. So I think it's a longer term move, depending on if Daniel Jones likes the environments as much as maybe they like Daniel Jones.

Yeah, I think I think they're just kind of looking at all things. I think they're kind of looking at from a perspective of not sure where their quarterback is in terms of help, knowing that more than the likely Sam Donald's going to find a different home in twenty twenty five, and therefore we can already be protected with the backup quarterback and get to see him and let our coaches get to feel him, understand him, and see what ticks and let our coaches have a little play with him. We've seen what they've done with Sam Donald and be making Minnesota relevant in twenty twenty four, and I think that they're trying to say, hey, let's kick the tires on this one. So I think it's a longer term move, depending on if Daniel Jones likes the environments as much as maybe they like Daniel Jones.

I would also say, Mark, you tell me if I'm wrong. Okay, there's something in basketball. You have basketball families, footballs, you have football families. I think it's brilliant from Daniel Jones and his agent in that they don't really have a connection to the Shanahan Tree and knowing that system, the verbiage, how everything works. And this gives Daniel Jones, you know, the next couple of months to learn the system, which doesn't mean it works in Minnesota, but if you look throughout the league, Kevin O'Connell has connections with everybody else. It puts him in a completely different football family and gives them an opportunity because that's what you do, right Like when you have a new coach, you're bringing a guy who knows the system, whether starter or backup. And I think it's a brilliant move from that perspective. Could that be what the agent's thinking, Oh.

I would also say, Mark, you tell me if I'm wrong. Okay, there's something in basketball. You have basketball families, footballs, you have football families. I think it's brilliant from Daniel Jones and his agent in that they don't really have a connection to the Shanahan Tree and knowing that system, the verbiage, how everything works. And this gives Daniel Jones, you know, the next couple of months to learn the system, which doesn't mean it works in Minnesota, but if you look throughout the league, Kevin O'Connell has connections with everybody else. It puts him in a completely different football family and gives them an opportunity because that's what you do, right Like when you have a new coach, you're bringing a guy who knows the system, whether starter or backup. And I think it's a brilliant move from that perspective. Could that be what the agent's thinking, Oh.

I think absolutely. I think you know, you're looking at what's the best offense right now in the NFL, who's having the most success. You're thinking in those situations, you're thinking, who's you know, who's been able to resurrect careers or create careers. You're thinking that situation. So it makes a ton of sense. And again on the practice squad or any think that you're not married to anything as you're Daniel Jones, So right now you're as much getting dated as you're trying to date. And so I think in that spot it really works well for him to see if he enjoys the system, enjoys the coaching, and enjoy the environment, or is this just a quick stop, you know, learning more and then finding a different place in twenty twenty five win free or when the end of the season hits and you decide if you're going to sign a practice by guys back or not.

I think absolutely. I think you know, you're looking at what's the best offense right now in the NFL, who's having the most success. You're thinking in those situations, you're thinking, who's you know, who's been able to resurrect careers or create careers. You're thinking that situation. So it makes a ton of sense. And again on the practice squad or any think that you're not married to anything as you're Daniel Jones, So right now you're as much getting dated as you're trying to date. And so I think in that spot it really works well for him to see if he enjoys the system, enjoys the coaching, and enjoy the environment, or is this just a quick stop, you know, learning more and then finding a different place in twenty twenty five win free or when the end of the season hits and you decide if you're going to sign a practice by guys back or not.

Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show. We're obviously going to talk about Mattieberfluss and the Bears. He said today he's met with Ryan Poles, is met with Kevin Warren. We'll have a meeting later on. What do you say, What are the questions you're asking your head coach after that end of game debacle yesterday in Detroit.

Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show. We're obviously going to talk about Mattieberfluss and the Bears. He said today he's met with Ryan Poles, is met with Kevin Warren. We'll have a meeting later on. What do you say, What are the questions you're asking your head coach after that end of game debacle yesterday in Detroit.

Well, I have a hard time. You know, they complete that pass without the face in the hands of the face and they're at the thirteen yard line and they have had to win. Instead, they do get the penalty, so it's a twenty two yard penalty in theory, and then they turn around and get sacked. I feel like someone and it shows you that the lack of I guess maturity on Caleb Williams to not understand that this is a moment where you can't just wait for the call. You either got to take the time out, throw a ball to pick yourself in the deal goal position, or something on the sideline should be taking the time out. To me that, I'm Ryan Coles. I'm trying to understand why didn't we burn the timeout? I know, you know we would have to get the ball you know, spiked, or we had to throw it to the sidelines. But how do we let the clock expire? And to me, that's a big question. And as a GM, I don't ask that question last night. I ask him this morning. It's too emotional last night. It's going to be hard to get the right answer. It's going to add a know this morning you walk in with your head coach and you said, let's go through the chain of events and how that played out last night and talk to me about what you have seen. I think Mattiebflus makes it through this weekend. I know he's very confident that he'll make it through the weekend. I just don't know if it's really because the Bears have been playing a little better, and certainly the second half was shocking for them to make it come back. This game should have been you know, out the door in the first half. Obviously by the way the Lions just kind of blundered in the red zone. But I think you hold on to Mattewberflus for at least the other week or two and you are going through the process. You know, if Ryan Puls may not know what's going on, he might be part of the you know, the sweeping. So you know, to ask you again and manager what's going on may not be the best question, but I think you hold onto everything for a week or two more. But behind the scenes, as as.

Well, I have a hard time. You know, they complete that pass without the face in the hands of the face and they're at the thirteen yard line and they have had to win. Instead, they do get the penalty, so it's a twenty two yard penalty in theory, and then they turn around and get sacked. I feel like someone and it shows you that the lack of I guess maturity on Caleb Williams to not understand that this is a moment where you can't just wait for the call. You either got to take the time out, throw a ball to pick yourself in the deal goal position, or something on the sideline should be taking the time out. To me that, I'm Ryan Coles. I'm trying to understand why didn't we burn the timeout? I know, you know we would have to get the ball you know, spiked, or we had to throw it to the sidelines. But how do we let the clock expire? And to me, that's a big question. And as a GM, I don't ask that question last night. I ask him this morning. It's too emotional last night. It's going to be hard to get the right answer. It's going to add a know this morning you walk in with your head coach and you said, let's go through the chain of events and how that played out last night and talk to me about what you have seen. I think Mattiebflus makes it through this weekend. I know he's very confident that he'll make it through the weekend. I just don't know if it's really because the Bears have been playing a little better, and certainly the second half was shocking for them to make it come back. This game should have been you know, out the door in the first half. Obviously by the way the Lions just kind of blundered in the red zone. But I think you hold on to Mattewberflus for at least the other week or two and you are going through the process. You know, if Ryan Puls may not know what's going on, he might be part of the you know, the sweeping. So you know, to ask you again and manager what's going on may not be the best question, but I think you hold onto everything for a week or two more. But behind the scenes, as as.

Kevin Warren, Yeah, Mark, Mark, how do you not fire somebody again? And if it was just this game, okay, but they're lining up to beat the Green Bay Packers who have owned them for the better part of a decade. And the guy sits on a forty six yard field goal that gets blocked. Again, not his fault that the trajectory was so low or that the blocking was bad. That's like, not technically his fault, but this is not the first And then you go to the commander's game again, not necessarily his fault that he's got a cornerback who's who's dancing and celebrating while the ball is already snapped, but it is that that's his football team, Like, how do you continue? And again, Mark, you know, I'm a coach, I'm actually sensitive to this thing. But how do you not fire somebody today?

Kevin Warren, Yeah, Mark, Mark, how do you not fire somebody again? And if it was just this game, okay, but they're lining up to beat the Green Bay Packers who have owned them for the better part of a decade. And the guy sits on a forty six yard field goal that gets blocked. Again, not his fault that the trajectory was so low or that the blocking was bad. That's like, not technically his fault, but this is not the first And then you go to the commander's game again, not necessarily his fault that he's got a cornerback who's who's dancing and celebrating while the ball is already snapped, but it is that that's his football team, Like, how do you continue? And again, Mark, you know, I'm a coach, I'm actually sensitive to this thing. But how do you not fire somebody today?

I just think where you at in the season change to take a change of where you sit as an organization, is it really going to change the outcome? I mean you gotta look at your own staff and say, who would I want to be the head coach?

I just think where you at in the season change to take a change of where you sit as an organization, is it really going to change the outcome? I mean you gotta look at your own staff and say, who would I want to be the head coach?

And why and what do you want to maybe maybe not maybe not the head coach? Like somebody's literally got to get like, somebody has to get there has to be some level of accountability, doesn't there Or you're just like, hey, he's gonna get fired anyway, let's just like let him play out the string. I don't know, Well, it's.

And why and what do you want to maybe maybe not maybe not the head coach? Like somebody's literally got to get like, somebody has to get there has to be some level of accountability, doesn't there Or you're just like, hey, he's gonna get fired anyway, let's just like let him play out the string. I don't know, Well, it's.

Like this, you know, and as you said, and you know, and and I don't think that he won't get fired. I just don't think they'll do it right now, that they might. But you talked about the three situations, and one was on offense, one was on defense, one was on special chief. Now that all points back to it's the team not coming together, but they're also in a position to beat the camp commanders, in position to possibly beat the lines, in position to possibly beat the packers. So you got to look at from like we're right on the cusp of maybe things are starting to turn. Even though we're screwing up and lose these games. It's not like we're getting paradeled or beat bad like we've seen some other teams. And so I think that's the only reason they're holding on. But I think change this thing kick it's going to happen. I don't think that's I think that's inevitable. I just don't know if you just have to do it just to make a point to whom your fans there going to stay.

Like this, you know, and as you said, and you know, and and I don't think that he won't get fired. I just don't think they'll do it right now, that they might. But you talked about the three situations, and one was on offense, one was on defense, one was on special chief. Now that all points back to it's the team not coming together, but they're also in a position to beat the camp commanders, in position to possibly beat the lines, in position to possibly beat the packers. So you got to look at from like we're right on the cusp of maybe things are starting to turn. Even though we're screwing up and lose these games. It's not like we're getting paradeled or beat bad like we've seen some other teams. And so I think that's the only reason they're holding on. But I think change this thing kick it's going to happen. I don't think that's I think that's inevitable. I just don't know if you just have to do it just to make a point to whom your fans there going to stay.

Can I get one more on this Bears thing, because and I said this to Doug earlier, Mark, and I said it yesterday when it happened. I don't understand how in this day, in the age of the NFL, you have a kicker that can't kick one fifty eight yards indoors. Is that may mean we see guys now trying sixty four yard field goals. The longest field goal in NFL history happened in that stadium yesterday, And to me, that's a that's that's the Bears telling on themselves that they don't even have a good enough kicker that they, by the way, wanted to settle for a forty six yard or two weeks ago. Like, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Can I get one more on this Bears thing, because and I said this to Doug earlier, Mark, and I said it yesterday when it happened. I don't understand how in this day, in the age of the NFL, you have a kicker that can't kick one fifty eight yards indoors. Is that may mean we see guys now trying sixty four yard field goals. The longest field goal in NFL history happened in that stadium yesterday, And to me, that's a that's that's the Bears telling on themselves that they don't even have a good enough kicker that they, by the way, wanted to settle for a forty six yard or two weeks ago. Like, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

No, and I don't disagree. I think we've seen certainly a change in the evolution of pickers. It's easy to make fifty orders, and it does say something that you have no confidence that you can make the big kick in the big moment, especially when time running out and the odds of you you know, they're not going to convert a first down. I hated the end of the game, Like I was naugious. I was like, there's no way they're going to lose this game. At least it go into overtime and see if they somehow come and pull off this miracle upset. But the Bears did a Bears thing, And I know that that goes back to Doug. What you're saying is somebody's got heads got a roll. I just, you know, no one not knowing the McCaskey family, but just knowing the overall run with Kevin Warren. I just think that they're probably, like we fire him. Maybe we don't want to win more games. Maybe weren't a position where we're comfortable our draft pick is right now, even though it's not ideal that we're not in a bad spot based off of meeting that first runt pick going forward.

No, and I don't disagree. I think we've seen certainly a change in the evolution of pickers. It's easy to make fifty orders, and it does say something that you have no confidence that you can make the big kick in the big moment, especially when time running out and the odds of you you know, they're not going to convert a first down. I hated the end of the game, Like I was naugious. I was like, there's no way they're going to lose this game. At least it go into overtime and see if they somehow come and pull off this miracle upset. But the Bears did a Bears thing, And I know that that goes back to Doug. What you're saying is somebody's got heads got a roll. I just, you know, no one not knowing the McCaskey family, but just knowing the overall run with Kevin Warren. I just think that they're probably, like we fire him. Maybe we don't want to win more games. Maybe weren't a position where we're comfortable our draft pick is right now, even though it's not ideal that we're not in a bad spot based off of meeting that first runt pick going forward.

No, that's listen, that's the only I told Jason Sue at our producer like, that's the only viable explanation that I would actually go like, okay, that makes it make it look so such like such a mess, Like oh my god, I can't believe we lost this game. And then you go in the locker, I'm like, dude, we lost that game. We keep our draft pick. That's the only thing that could that could get you out of jail free. It was it was I'm with you, I'm watching with my coaches, and we're we just finished Thanksgiving dinner, and we were all like, oh, okay, what do we have to prepare for that we have not because this looks terrible. It just looked I cannot believe how that game ended. Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show, UH with with Dan Byram. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the Dan Nets. Do the Dolphins have a cold weather problem or a TUA problem.

No, that's listen, that's the only I told Jason Sue at our producer like, that's the only viable explanation that I would actually go like, okay, that makes it make it look so such like such a mess, Like oh my god, I can't believe we lost this game. And then you go in the locker, I'm like, dude, we lost that game. We keep our draft pick. That's the only thing that could that could get you out of jail free. It was it was I'm with you, I'm watching with my coaches, and we're we just finished Thanksgiving dinner, and we were all like, oh, okay, what do we have to prepare for that we have not because this looks terrible. It just looked I cannot believe how that game ended. Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show, UH with with Dan Byram. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the Dan Nets. Do the Dolphins have a cold weather problem or a TUA problem.

I want to lean towards more of a cold weather you know. Obviously it's a very tough game for them as well, where you know, they had a chance to kind of close the game out in Lambeau, but they couldn't. I got to give credit and Jeff Athlete, the defensive coordinator. They did a good job of making it difficult onto it and you know, being able to stuff them in the red zone and then turn around and gets pressures and sacks. I think that Jeff Appley has done a really good job with that defense for the most part. And the uh, you know, I think it's more again, it's it's not I think two is in a good spot. I think he's going to be okay as long as he stays healthy. I don't think some Dolphins are still to go. We got to get a different quarterback. I think it was more just I think you got to get credit to the defensive side and Jeff Happens the coordinator.

I want to lean towards more of a cold weather you know. Obviously it's a very tough game for them as well, where you know, they had a chance to kind of close the game out in Lambeau, but they couldn't. I got to give credit and Jeff Athlete, the defensive coordinator. They did a good job of making it difficult onto it and you know, being able to stuff them in the red zone and then turn around and gets pressures and sacks. I think that Jeff Appley has done a really good job with that defense for the most part. And the uh, you know, I think it's more again, it's it's not I think two is in a good spot. I think he's going to be okay as long as he stays healthy. I don't think some Dolphins are still to go. We got to get a different quarterback. I think it was more just I think you got to get credit to the defensive side and Jeff Happens the coordinator.

It was it was. It was a dominating performance no interceptions from from Jordan Love, which is a first this year, and the Packers look like they're playing their best best football. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Mark. We love talking football with you. Enjoy your Black Friday sports and we'll talk to you next week.

It was it was. It was a dominating performance no interceptions from from Jordan Love, which is a first this year, and the Packers look like they're playing their best best football. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Mark. We love talking football with you. Enjoy your Black Friday sports and we'll talk to you next week.

Yeah, I'm very curious to see what Aidan O'Connell does today for the Raiders. Then the whole season will be waiting to see if he's any good. It doesn't really matter so much, but it does to the Raiders brass to see if he can do anything against his Chiefs today. So it'll be fun to watch.

Yeah, I'm very curious to see what Aidan O'Connell does today for the Raiders. Then the whole season will be waiting to see if he's any good. It doesn't really matter so much, but it does to the Raiders brass to see if he can do anything against his Chiefs today. So it'll be fun to watch.

It will be fun to watch he's Mark Dominickie joins this weekly on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Just for people who don't listen to the Doug Gottlieb Show, which airs daily three to five Eastern twelfth two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. Dan Byer is actually a native of Wisconsin. And for people who haven't followed my journey, I am was born in Wisconsin and now I'm the head coach at Wisconsin Green Bay and this is my I guess this is the fourth Packer game I've gotten to go to this season, which is pretty cool. Right, went to the I think warmest Packer game ever was was the home opener against the Innapolis Colts. The Texans game was incredibly exciting. I was sitting kind of in the lower bowl, just up off the end zone where people do the Lambeau Leap. And then I was there for the first half of the Cardinals game, which was a relative blowout, not really competitive. And last night after Thanksgiving dinner, got a chance to got my first night time and cold weather, and there was some flurries, so it felt a little bit like a snow glow game. It's pretty enjoyable BYR. You've obviously been to Packer games. Have you been to a game where it's snowing?

Just for people who don't listen to the Doug Gottlieb Show, which airs daily three to five Eastern twelfth two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. Dan Byer is actually a native of Wisconsin. And for people who haven't followed my journey, I am was born in Wisconsin and now I'm the head coach at Wisconsin Green Bay and this is my I guess this is the fourth Packer game I've gotten to go to this season, which is pretty cool. Right, went to the I think warmest Packer game ever was was the home opener against the Innapolis Colts. The Texans game was incredibly exciting. I was sitting kind of in the lower bowl, just up off the end zone where people do the Lambeau Leap. And then I was there for the first half of the Cardinals game, which was a relative blowout, not really competitive. And last night after Thanksgiving dinner, got a chance to got my first night time and cold weather, and there was some flurries, so it felt a little bit like a snow glow game. It's pretty enjoyable BYR. You've obviously been to Packer games. Have you been to a game where it's snowing?

Gosh, Doug, I've been to one of the coldest games on record when they played the Raiders in the early nineties, the day the Lambell leap was there. I was there for the NFC championship game and they beat the Panthers in the mid nineties.

Gosh, Doug, I've been to one of the coldest games on record when they played the Raiders in the early nineties, the day the Lambell leap was there. I was there for the NFC championship game and they beat the Panthers in the mid nineties.

Wow.

Wow.

Yeah, was there the home that was gosh, that was giving Kerry Collins. Yeah, oh yeah, even before that, so it was yeah. So I've been there. I've been to a few few good ones, and it's it's definitely definitely different from from December and January compared to say that nice late summer hot day in September or in Earth.

Yeah, was there the home that was gosh, that was giving Kerry Collins. Yeah, oh yeah, even before that, so it was yeah. So I've been there. I've been to a few few good ones, and it's it's definitely definitely different from from December and January compared to say that nice late summer hot day in September or in Earth.

Just it's so interesting, you know. And what I found to be fascinating is when you when you kind of zoom out and you look at the whole stadium. Right, obviously they have a there's a ton of people in pack you throw your Packers jersey over your coveralls or over whatever you're wearing. But there's also in just about every section there were two or three that were straight up in bright orange hunting gear right just straight up right now, yes it is, you know, straight up just shot a buck and now I'm gonna watch the Packers play then, and I would say there's about three times that many in every section wearing full camo. And but then you cover the camo with a packer's jersey or you know, some sort of packers, packers, packers jack what whatever. And it was cold now full disclosure of my seats were the club seats, so you could sit out outside and I sat outside most of the game and then go inside and get a hot choker or get a beer and watch the game. And so it's like the Lower Bowl when you're in the lower bowl like that's it. You're hardcore, You're squeezed in next to everybody else. Everyone's into the game. But it is cold. It's not as bad when you're up in the club section, cause you know, when you want to tap out, you can just go tap out and warm up for about ten or so seconds. I was. I did sweats and then ski pants and then a big parka, and I had the handwarmers in my pocket just in case, and I was fine. It was not It wasn't bad at all, unless you were a Miami Dolphin. Unless you were a Miami Dolphin. Here's Mike McDaniel, head coach of the Miami Dolphins, talking about the narrative that this team can't play in cold weather.

Just it's so interesting, you know. And what I found to be fascinating is when you when you kind of zoom out and you look at the whole stadium. Right, obviously they have a there's a ton of people in pack you throw your Packers jersey over your coveralls or over whatever you're wearing. But there's also in just about every section there were two or three that were straight up in bright orange hunting gear right just straight up right now, yes it is, you know, straight up just shot a buck and now I'm gonna watch the Packers play then, and I would say there's about three times that many in every section wearing full camo. And but then you cover the camo with a packer's jersey or you know, some sort of packers, packers, packers jack what whatever. And it was cold now full disclosure of my seats were the club seats, so you could sit out outside and I sat outside most of the game and then go inside and get a hot choker or get a beer and watch the game. And so it's like the Lower Bowl when you're in the lower bowl like that's it. You're hardcore, You're squeezed in next to everybody else. Everyone's into the game. But it is cold. It's not as bad when you're up in the club section, cause you know, when you want to tap out, you can just go tap out and warm up for about ten or so seconds. I was. I did sweats and then ski pants and then a big parka, and I had the handwarmers in my pocket just in case, and I was fine. It was not It wasn't bad at all, unless you were a Miami Dolphin. Unless you were a Miami Dolphin. Here's Mike McDaniel, head coach of the Miami Dolphins, talking about the narrative that this team can't play in cold weather.

That's the thing with narratives, there's one way to change them. And so that, Yeah, my expectation would be, you know those who I mean, the naysayers, well, you know, you prove him right, they'll be louder. So that's part of the territory. You have to you carry that until you until you do something about it. And unfortunately we didn't tonight.

That's the thing with narratives, there's one way to change them. And so that, Yeah, my expectation would be, you know those who I mean, the naysayers, well, you know, you prove him right, they'll be louder. So that's part of the territory. You have to you carry that until you until you do something about it. And unfortunately we didn't tonight.

Yeah, I mean, like you know, when when was it Malik Washington who fumbled the the the opening punt. Many you can't it just looked it. You don't know that that's why they're playing the way they're playing, but they looked they looked incredibly uncomfortable, incredibly uncomfortable. I'll tell you my biggest takeaway in watching the game is Tua is a statue like he can't avoid the rush at all. You know, it's like like Brady couldn't move, and you know it was you had to move him off his spot. But Brady did have at least the ability, maybe until super late in his career, where he could just move just so to the side and just avoid like Tuek has to get rid of it quick otherwise he can't move, just can't move. And I told you in our pre show meeting, you know what was it, Guy's about two years ago where it was that showdown. You know, Manuel Acho had talked about Tua being better than Justin Herbert and I went to the game at SOFI and what was fascinating to me about that game was if you went to the game and you thought the two quarterbacks were anywhere near the same stratosphere, you needed to have an eye examination. When you're done It's not just because Herbert's like four inches taller. The velocity of his throws is like two x that of Tua. To build a layer throws, to build a move in the pocket, like everything is completely better. One guy looked like a college quarterback. The other guy looked like a pro quarterback. I thought the same last night. And I know Tua's numbers were decent, but the difference, and it was probably Jordan Love's best overall performance because he didn't throw a pick and wasn't this They didn't throw a pick. He didn't throw even one that was close to being intercepted, whereas in I think he'd thrown a pick in every game previous this year and there was usually two or three that were kind of up for grabs. Like Jordan Love played really well, but more than anything, just just looked he moved better. He's a little bigger, arms, much stronger. I just my takeaway, Dan was god to it cannot I mean, one of the reasons he gets hit so much is he can't move.