Hour 2 – Remembering Brian Wilson, Mike Breen

Published Jun 12, 2025, 4:16 PM

NBA broadcaster Mike Breen stops by to discuss calling the NBA Finals with Dan and what it would take to get a “triple-bang” out of him. Dan and the crew discuss the passing of the Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson and how he changed music forever.

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Well, maybe the series has your attention again. Surprise, surprise, the Pacers win it and now up two games to one. Game four will be Friday, back in Indiana, Age seven to seven to three. DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DPS show. During the regular season, the Thunder, we're sixty one and two when taking a lead into the fourth quarter. They've already lost as many games during the regular season with that stat. They're one and two when taking a lead into the fourth quarter of this series. And this might come down to conditioning, because if you watch Indiana in the fourth quarter, they've been great in the fourth quarter, and it's almost like they use the first three quarters to just hold on and make sure they don't get too far behind, or maybe they happen to have, you know, a lead at some point. But Oklahoma City taking a lead into the four fourth quarter and you can see a different energy level, certainly with the Pacers, and that was evident last night. By the way, if you follow these trends of the previous forty one NBA Finals that were tied at one game apiece, the game three winner went on to win.

What percentage of the time tied to a game.

Apiece the team that won Game three went on to win the title blank percentage of the time Todd.

Sixty nine percent of the time, Seaton six.

Marvin eighty one, Paul seventy four, eighty percent of the time.

Stat of the Day, SAT of the Day, Top post, stat of the day, stat of the day.

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Brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Mike Green was on the call for ESPN ABC last night. He'll join us in about fifteen minutes from now. Here's Tyrese Halliburton on the critics after the previous game.

The commentary is always going to be what it is. You know, most of the time, the talking heads on the major platforms, I couldn't care less, honestly, like, what do they really know about basketball? The commentary is what it is. At this point, you know, it doesn't matter. You know, we're here in the NBA Finals, two wins away from an NBA championship, So you just got to stay with it, put my head down, keep working and as a group We just got to keep learning from our mistakes, see where we can get better and take it a day a time.

Yeah, he nearly had a triple double. They were more aggressive.

You got a great performance from Benedict Mathern.

He had twenty seven.

Now he's the first player to come off the bench and lead both teams in scoring in an NBA Finals game since.

Marvin.

What's the year I might give it away? Give it away, Give it away now? Twenty eleven, Anthony Keatis, Jason Terry, Yeah, Jason Terry, bloop blop. The commentary is always gonna thank you.

It's funny when they like athletes lump in, like wow, the people saying all that stuff don't know what they're talking about, and like probably fifty to seventy five percent of them are former players. Although those guys don't know what they're talking about anyway. So I don't really listen to that noise because it's just you know, a bunch of talking heads. It's like Shack saying, yeah, Markley, I think he knows what he's talking.

Yeah, yeah, big perk. He didn't know what he's talking about. There no what he's talking about. So I don't even listening to Big.

Perk uh So, Yeah, the NBA Finals going on, the Knicks are still looking for a head coach. Here's Charles Barkley on NBA TV pregame show.

The Knicks got to be the stupidest damn people in the world who's fight. You don't find no good coach like that and don't have a I mean, tipsid a hell of a job. Obviously sum's going on now, but you don't have a plan, and now the three coaches turn you down. You gotta have a plan, man, I mean, I don't know what the hell they're gonna do.

Well, Okay, it looks bad now, the optics, as they like to say, looks bad. But when do you need a head coach? You'd like to have it right away if you're going to fire TIBs and go yes, this is why we fired him, because we brought in Michael Malone or whoever it is, or we're bringing in Jason Kidd. I mean, you're not bringing in Phil Jackson here, and that didn't even work out when you brought in Phil Jackson. Remember, Steve Kerr turned down the job, and I thought, gosh, he's going to turn down the job to coach Golden State and then what a great move by Steve Kerr. I don't know if you get back to retreads, you're gonna bring candidates here, but at what point you go, we have to have a coach in place. It's like Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers. My gut feeling all along was they had an agreement and he would come in. He would come in when he's ready. The coach knew about it, and everybody should be fine with this.

This is different. You fire that guy.

You couldn't wait to fire that guy, and it felt like okay, and here comes whoever.

But you're going to have the draft.

Do you need to have a coach if you're going to be trying to pull off for trade, you know, for Yannis, do you need to have a coach as well in there?

Now?

If that coach is Jason Kidd, then yes, you need to have him in place so he can be reunited with him. But other than that, the timeframe doesn't look good. And maybe the NBA has said to the Knicks this has happened before with a previous commissioner, don't do anything to upstage the NBA finals. Wait normally to fire hire somebody or hire somebody. But I can go back to one specific moment where the commissioner wasn't pleased because he didn't want an announcement to be made that somebody was going to be hired. He didn't want to take away from the NBA Finals. I don't know if that's the case, but trying to find a coach for the Knicks and seems like it's a little more of a struggle than we thought it was going to be. And all the good will you build up, this is exciting, it's fun. New York's alive. We got to the Eastern Conference finals. Well, you got to the Eastern Conference Finals because luck. Luck played a big role in guys getting injured. The two best teams weren't fully assembled. Now, granted, you play whoever's in front of you, but if you look at the reality of this, how good is that team? They're not better than the Cabs. They're not better than the Celtics at full strength. I think the Celtics are going to look a whole lot different this next season. Cleveland's probably gonna keep their core four together, and the Pacers are gonna be there as well. Because you're not better than the Pacers as much as you, in your mind, were the Knicks. We're better than the Pacers. We don't even know if OKC is better than the Pacers. Indiana has played great basketball. Yeah, seton.

Just because a team isn't laying out their plans for us in detail doesn't mean they don't have one, you know.

I get that.

The uh when there's sort of a vacuum of information, we try to fill it without any having any real information. But I don't know that I've ever seen a team sit down and say thank.

You all for being here.

Now that we fire the coach, here's our three step plan moving forward.

First, we're gonna try to hire this guy if that guy doesn't work. No, I don't know that I've ever seen a team lay out this is what we're gonna do.

That's exactly what our plan is now that we've made this surprising move.

I would have liked to have had the Knicks somebody get in front of a microphone and explain what happened.

Correct you fired Tom Thibodeaux.

I'd like to have somebody who had the wherewith all the guts, the confidence, whatever, just tell the media, Hey, this is why we moved on because as a Knicks fan, aren't you owed that?

Like, wait a minute, what happened here?

And everybody's got an opinion about Tom Thibodeau and all he works his players too hard, and everybody says the same thing. But you gave him an extension last July, almost a year ago. You gave him an extension. Was he the same coach back then as he was this year? And the answers, yes, the guy who was his agent gave him that contract extension. That's what's baffling. You gave him a fully guaranteed contract for a guy that you probably knew before the playoffs started you were going to fire. And then all of a sudden they started winning, and then Tatum goes out.

The Cavaliers are banged up.

Now all of a sudden, you're in the Eastern Conference finals and you're probably going damn if we get to the finals.

Do we have to keep them?

What are the candidates? Do we have the odds on who's the next head coach of the Knicks?

Bawling?

Yeah, the day after they fired Tibbs Fibbs, it was Michael Malone was the favorite overwhelmingly. Currently, they have a bunch of different people, but basically it's Jason Kidd in the field. That's the DraftKings odds as of this morning.

Okay, let's take Jason Kidd out of this because that hinges on the Mavericks giving permission. If there are any other names in there, I'd be curious. I saw where Mike Woodson's name surfaced. If you're bringing back Mike Woodson, is that a plan because it feels like, okay, here's plan A. We might be going down the alphabet here with the New York Nicks. Are there any other CA candidates that are mentioned aside from Jason Kidd.

Yeah.

They have the assistant coach from the Cavs, Johnny Johnny Bryant. Yes, and otherwise they don't have any other people because they took off Jay Wright, they took off Danny Hurley.

Well, Hurley and Wright. We're never going to do this. It's wishful thinking. Hey, Danny Hurley grew up a Knicks fan.

Okay, I think I'm pretty sure the Knicks were on his short list of teams that he would coach. Yes, he did say if he's going to do anywhere, it's going to be like Boston New York. It was going to be in the Tri state area, close to New Jersey. The Knicks are very much are probably number one on that list of teams he would coach.

But then he did say, oh, I'm not going to go through this again after what happened with the Lakers.

He's not ready to do that.

On a nightly basis with his personality, his temperament. He might lose five or seven games in a season and have a hard time with that. You go to New York, You're gonna lose thirty five games.

He might not be ready for it, But that doesn't mean that he wouldn't take at least his wife.

They would be able to sort of stay in this area as opposed to going to Los Angeles.

Yeah, but Jay Wright, Jay Wright Scott. Have you seen Jay Wright?

He looks great.

It looks like a million bucks. It seems relaxed. Yes, yes, Jay.

Wright is like, wait, what you want me to what? I've already got a couple of national titles. I'm a Hall of Fame coach. I'm getting Yes, I want to lose that. Yes, yes, why do I want this to go fully gray?

Yes?

Well, but if he joined the next he could look like thirty million bucks.

Uh no, he's gonna get paid thirty million bucks. He won't look thirty million bucks.

Can you image replacing Tibbs with Danny Hurley because Tibbs is too intense. That's the opposite of the narrative.

Why don't think Tibbs was too intense as much as his strategy was, I don't I'm not trust I don't trust too many players. Therefore they play a lot of minutes. Players aren't used to be playing a lot of minutes.

Yes, Mark, Yeah, his reputation is him running his players into the ground. Allah, Derick Rose, deck Rose got hurt. They were up by a lot in the playoff game, and deck Rose is still in the game. ACL Tour.

By the way, good morning if you're watching on Peacock. That's our streaming partner. We stumbled upon a storyline comparison something because these NBA finals lack star power. Let's be honest here, and then we thought, what are the best movies without star power? And I think initially we just came up with the usual suspects because they weren't big names. Gabriel Byrne, Kevin Spacey, great actors, one of the Baldwin Brothers, Benisio del Thoro. So you didn't have those Oh who was the was it Joe Mundane Chess Palmentary? Oh I get those two mixed up. That's not a good sign when it comes to star power. If you go smarter, it helps your case. I know, when they're sitting in his office.

I'm smarter than you. I'm smarter than you.

Yes, that's one of those movies where it's awesome the first time and then less so as it goes on. It's still a great movie, but the the shock of the reveal.

And he's walking down the street, pulls up the Jaguar. All of a sudden, the limp goes.

You go, oh my god, guys, it's so well done.

You know.

Gabriel Burns really good in it.

Yeah, guys, del Toro, with the accent he does, you can't understand.

Any mister McManus, Joe and Pittsburgh.

Hi Joe, what's on your mind today?

Guys?

First time caller, six foot three two and thirty pounds. I got I got two movies to add to the list. But first, if you guys will let me divulge, can I give you, guys a crazy stat that will probably blow all your minds. Okay, So I know earlier we were talking about Andrew mccutchey, and I heard the game. He's not Hall of he's Hall of Fame. First off, Now, all of very good, but also Paul Skimes, all right, ninety two strikeouts this year one point eight era. His record is four and six. Did you know that he's the only player in MLB history to have a sub two point ohra So thirteen starts with ninety plus strikeouts and have a losing record. The Pirates, they got to do something with Paul skiings to the generational talent, and it's just going to waste the way in Pittsburgh, unfortunately. I hate to say that. But two movies here that I can't believe have not been mentioned yet to add to the list. First and foremost, how about Rocky?

We mentioned Rocky? Oh okay, yeah, Fritz did.

How about the Okay? And then how about The Hangover? Great comedy, A lot of people consider it one of the best comedies. No one really knew Bradley Cooper at that.

Time, So, okay, I don't know what other movies Bradley Cooper did prior to that.

He did Wedding Crashers where he crushed it as Sack Lootge.

But he wasn't a big star, No, he was just really good in that role. Ken Jong was not a star ed Helms see the Office.

He was also, Hey, he's that guy in that show.

Zach Alifanakis's he Noah, Yeah, that was good movie. The other ones, these subsequent ones were you know when you watch a movie and you're you're almost watching it with the people probably put it together, and you're like, I don't know how this how do we end this thing?

Like we where are we going?

I don't know.

We just bring Mike Tyson back in at the end of the movie.

Yes, Marvin, the Hangover is the best movie theater experience I've ever had in my life. I saw it Friday opening weekend. Really, the place was packed in the laughs, I mean everyone belly laughing at every joke. It hit unbelievable experience.

Okay, all right, more on this best movie without a star or stars, and Mike Breen will join us take a break back after this.

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Rich More phone calls coming out. Beautiful weather at Oakmont, some pretty good scores, but if you're going to get that golf course, you better get it today. Mike Breen, Hall of Fame broadcaster, calling his record extending twentieth NBA Finals for the mother Ships with Doris Burke. Also Richard Jefferson. It's the thun in the pacers and somehow he has the energy to speak to us today, and I'm curious about that. After you call a game like just you have to be energetic, enthusiastic on your game mentally.

How tired are you after a game like last night?

Well, especially with a game like last night, you're tired because it's a long day in terms of preparation, but you can't go to sleep for hours. It's just you're so wound up. Especially when you see a game that good. You want to talk about it. You want to talk with the people you work with. It's hard to fall asleep, but when you do, you're out. I probably would have slept till two o'clock this afternoon. Ruined my day.

Dan.

Thank you, Mike.

Have you ever had the Wednslafe time you had the environment where you can't hear yourself.

Wow, Well, you can always hear yourself because of the headphones, but there's often like I couldn't hear the whistle last night. A few times couldn't hear the whistle And okay, see a lot of those buildings, it's so loud, and that's why my hearing is deteriorating as I get older, because you have to crank up the volume so high in your headphones to overcome the crowd. Plus they have, you know, a lot of arenas. Although last night was not necessarily the case. The music is blaring so loud as well that it's it's hard on the hearing in terms of long term hearing. But last night there was only a couple of times that I just couldn't hear the whistle. And you're looking for the rest to see if his hand goes up, to see if a call was made.

How often do you have sort of a premonition of what's going to happen or you're planning for the game to go a certain way?

Well, every single night, and I think every broadcast team does this, all right, Who you got tonight?

Who you got tonight.

Who you think, And I'll have stretches where I might get seven or eight in a row like nail it. Oh, they're going to win big tonight. It's going to be a close one, but they're not going to be able to overcome. And then I'll go years without getting a single prediction.

Right, what was your prediction for this or last night?

You know, it's funny, it's funny to say that.

So I really felt Indiana had a shot in Game one, didn't think it was going to happen that way, and then I just I just knew Oklahoma City was gonna was going to blow them out in Game two. Last night, I and anybody I spoke to when they asked me what I think, I said, I have no idea. Indiana is so unpredictable. They can look like nobody can beat them. They have stretches where it's which a struggle. So I had no idea last night going in. But there's just there's something special going on with that team right now, that's for sure.

And Brian Windhors brought this up on ESPN this morning that with about eight thirty to go in the fourth quarter, it looked like OKC was a little winded. They were at the pre throw line. They're holding onto their shorts, they're bent over. Meanwhile the Pacers are upright there. I don't know if you got that sense, or Doris or Richard got that sense of fourth quarter. Indiana has been the better team in these first three games, no question.

Richard actually said it on the air last night. He saw it early on as well. And it's something you just have never seen both these teams, that they have thrived on wearing you down. For Indiana, in many cases their offense is at such a pace by the fourth quarter, they wear you down. And obviously Oklahoma City, their defense is something that wears a team down as the game, not only a game, but as a series goes on. But that's the first time I've seen the Thunder look that way. And there's such a confident team Oklahoma City for a young team, and rightfully so. By the way they've played, they looked unsure themselves in addition to being fatigued, and I've never seen that from them.

But also, if I look at okc's Big three, their average age is around twenty three. If I look at the big three for Indiana, their average age might be twenty seven. I know it's four years, but four years can be ten years when it comes to experience or just maturity there. Indiana hasn't been here before where they've been to the Eastern Conference finals, but to be in the NBA Finals, and I still wonder about that with OKC getting over that hump, yes you're ready, feels like this is a graduation of we lost second round, we lost in the Eastern Western Conference, now we're in the NBA Finals. We've seen great teams who graduate to this moment. I just wonder the maturity of we're asking twenty three year olds, twenty two year olds to do what the greats of the game did when they were maybe twenty seven to twenty eight.

Man, I could not agree more. You know, the whole question for them coming in are they ready? Are they too young? Is this their time? And they have to prove that and certainly they've proved it so far, and even in the Denver series, I mean, this series is far from over. The Denver series, they lose that Harper Game one, win big Game two, and then they lost in Game three as well, and then they had a couple of really close games that were going to be tested against a Nikola Jokic team, and they passed those tests. So now Game four is going to be the next test and we'll see how they do. But there's an enormous difference in that in terms of twenty three and twenty seven. And even though last year Indiana they they got swept in the Eastern Conference finals that I know this sounds ridiculous, but that was a close sweep. Three of the games went right down to the final minute. They played well. They gained valuable experience. Last year in that Knick series, they were down two to oh, they were down three to two, won a game seven going away. I know the Knicks were a little banged up, but the Pacers have really grown in terms of playoff pressure. They've seen every possible scenario and they've seen it together. Continuity is the most underrated part of basketball. To have the same guys who know their strengths and weaknesses, who've been through the wars together, and that's what's showing right now. Indiana they have a little bit more of that than Oklahoma City does.

He's Mike Breen.

He's the play by play host of the NBA Finals for the twentieth year Hall of Fame broadcaster. If we had a shooting contest between you, Richard Jefferson, and doors Burke, who's winning.

It depends are we shooting free throws? Are we shooting three pointers? Are we shooting you know? It all depends on the range.

How about mid range mid range game? You know, like SGA range mid range game.

I'll stack my game up with both of them.

I've actually challenged Richard to a free throw shooting contest and he says he.

Wants to do it, but he's never really be.

Any idea in terms of trying to set a particular day first to do it.

I think he's afraid of me, quite honestly.

Well, he has everything to lose, Mike, Yes he does. Yes, Yes, yes he does. Your full time job is the Knicks broadcaster. Can you tell me what the Knicks are doing with their head CoA coaching search.

Well, they're obviously turning over every stone right now, and that's you know, there's a lot of good candidates still out there. It's been interesting to see how many teams have quickly said, no, you cannot talk to our coach. Although that's understandable, all under contract and at this point, I think Dan, they can take their time. It's not like I mean, there's a lot of stup coaches out there. I think they can talk to but there's no need to rush it now. They really need to do their homework, talk to people, talk not only to the candidates, but people who play for the candidates, and do an exhaustive search because there's no need to rush it now.

It's such an important decision.

If you fire your coach. Did you have a successful season?

Wow?

That's an interesting way to put it. I think so I do. I think they had a very successful season. They've taken the next step. I was certainly surprised at Tom Thibodaux being let go from a standpoint of success and results. It's hard to say why, but clearly there was stuff behind the scenes that were going on that they felt it was time to make a change. But yes, it was a very successful season in my opinion.

Didn't you get criticized that you didn't give Tyre's Halliburton a bang because it was a mid range jumper or one of three? I should say, like, is that your policy that it's got to be a three for a bang?

Well, I haven't checked the rules and regulations and the policy.

I think the warranty on the policy is out, but there's really no Sometimes it's a feel. In many cases it's I preferred on a three pointer on this particular play, he was moving so quickly. Also sometimes too, I like doing it on a home team big bucket.

Because the crowd overtakes it.

That's one of the reasons I started yelling Bank because I needed a concise call when the crowd overwhelms everything. But that was just more of you know, this is an unbelievable finish. He has a chance to win, and that's the way it came out. But yes, I received criticism. I'd been attacked, but it's all part.

Have you ranked your bang calls?

Oh damn no, hope you start to ask me that, No, I have not ranked, But that's that's for the viewers to rank the Bank calls.

I can't do because I would say, Steph Curry, I thought that that one. What was that the forty footer that he hit it against Okase That I think that kind of started it. But I also Ray Allen Game six of the twenty thirteen NBA Finals, where does that bang me?

In this discussion yeah, yeah, No, the Curry thing, I was the first double bang, and that was that was it was a special time. It was everything that led up to it, and I would agree with that's That's one of my favorites. Three Allen one is is clearly as well because he doesn't hit that. The changes who wins the title that year. Playoff ones are special to me. Derek Rose hit a game winner in Chicago for the Bulls in a playoff game against Lebron. Jeremy Lynn had a couple of great bangs that that that were really exciting during two and a half weeks to some of the most fun games I've ever been a part of. So there's been there's been a decent amount that I've enjoyed.

Will there ever be a triple bang? Mike stop?

I want John record? Will there be? What would what would bring about a triple bang?

I think I think I would sound like an idiot if I did a triple bang. But again, it's not premeditated. The double bank came out naturally. It just was so exciting. So maybe in a five finals game, if a guy hits a three pointer at the buzzer to win a finals game and to win a championship.

That's the possibility.

How about that tyrese Aliburton game on the line and he hits a three and they win the title.

I have no choice but to do it then, Okay, I'm under severe pressure to do it.

Then.

Now I'm going to watch the finals and pressure.

You know, now, this is unforgivable what you're doing.

How does pressure feel, Mike?

It doesn't feel very good.

Are you going to do?

You rest your voice today?

I do?

Like what do you do today?

I drink a lot of tea with honey.

I actually I don't talk on the phone because I had an ears, nose and throat. Guy tell me that when my voice is struggling, don't talk on the phone because people tend to talk louder on the phone.

I was not aware of that. Are you aware of that?

Yeah?

If you've ever been on a plane when somebody lands and then they're getting a hold of somebody who's going to pick them up, listen to how loud that person is.

Yeah, just landed.

Okay, don't agreement. Hold on a second, I have a call. Okay, I'll call you later.

See but whatever, if there's problems with you and your wife and you don't get on the phone and you want a text. I understand that, I mean, but that's that's that's on you, Mike. I don't need to hear that.

I can use it. Yeah, I could use it to my advantage.

Yes, I'm an Ah the voice. I'll text you. I'll text you.

Great to talk to you again. Thanks for thanks for joining us, Mike, Bang bring or bang bang or Bang Bang Bang Bring? Next game coming up on Friday night, Indianapolis. I haven't seen the point sprints. Do we have numbers here? DraftKings? Can you send me the point spreads for Friday night? Please take a break. Phone calls. More phone calls coming up after this.

Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

If you're watching on Peacock, we just showed you a portion of an interview with Mike Love, lead singer of the Beach Boys. Brian Wilson, the founder of the Beach Boys, passed away yesterday and there were so many different books, documentaries, articles written on Brian. They all seem to focus on him being like this mad genius and probably is an apt description of him. I love the fact that he put sand underneath his piano in his living room when he was writing music for the Beach Boys. He wanted that feel of the beach and he put sand underneath his piano. But also he came up with pet Sounds, and if you are not familiar with the Beach Boys, listen to the sound of the of pet Sounds, because that helped bring about something new. It changed music because it's technically everything about it is, you know, one of the top five albums I think of all time in rock and roll music. But it also changed the Beatles because the Beatles were you know, hold my hand, she loves you, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then all of a sudden it spawned the uh Sergeant Peppers. McCartney realized, oh my goodness, we have to we have to change, we have to up our game, and that brought about Sergeant Peppers and it changed music, changed music history with that album. And then you know there The story was that Brian went crazy after that because he thought he had created the perfect album and realized the Beatles just won uped him.

Like a year later, It's like, wait a minute, what did they do?

Also a lot of tributes to sli in the Family Stone, and which is great because they were They were before everybody when you look at that style, that sound, whether it's Parliament, George Clinton, whether it's Prince, this was sli in the Family Stone before them, and just listened to like there's organ bass, like there's some real great, great sounds with sly and the Family Stone. But you'll see a lot of tribute videos and they have to do with Prince because Prince acknowledged that he understood what was going on and paid tribute to sli in the Family Stone with redoing some of their songs, and really that's not what Prince did. Prince would write songs and people would try to do a cover of Prince song as opposed to the other way around. But Slyne the Family Stone and Brian Wilson, it's just people are put on this earth for things, and that's what they were put on this earth for. Brian Wilson was put on this earth to hear these sounds and put these sounds down on an album and the harmonies and he drove you know the rest of the Beach Boys crazy where he was looking for that perfect harmony. It had to be you know the sound of this, and if you listen to Slide the family Stone when he was doing it, when they were doing it.

It's just it's different. They were different.

Yes, there are, you know, like when somebody like that dies, a lot of tributes come out, and there's like artists after artists right now who would post about Brian Wilson saying like he made me do the vocals for this song sixty times because he was hearing something that I just wasn't hearing, and like I was doing it as good as I could, but it still wasn't good enough for him until finally it was. And then you're like, wow, he heard that, and that like I can't hear that at all, and we do the same thing.

You know, Yeah, to be able to hear something so small, so minute, but so important to that person.

You know.

Clint Eastwood famously doesn't have many takes on his movie set. It might be two you go okay, whether and then there'll be other directors will be like, let's do it again, Well that's forty takes. But they're looking for something, they're listening for something, and that, you know, that separates a lot of people from being You're really good to your genius.

Yeah, pull one of the best songs from Pet Sounds. That song God Only Knows. I'm not gonna try to sing it, you know it from the end of Boogie Knights. They do that long montage to end Boogie Knights and God Only Knows as a song in there, and it's just perfect for that film.

Just listen to the harmonies. And there was competition between the Beatles and the Beach Boys. Now you wouldn't think it, but there there were, because they were pop sounds. You know, the Beatles were popping and then all of a sudden, I mean that's what separates them from everybody else. That if one direction or one of these boy bands all of a sudden did Helter Skelter or Sergeant Pepper Magical Mystery Tour. I mean, all of the music that they created, it was Yeah, we can be the biggest pop band in the world.

We can also do that, and nobody else can do that.

But Pet Sounds, it's widely considered one of the top five albums of all time rock and roll. Rolling Stone usually has it top five, but they varied where I think one year they had Marvin Gaye's What's Going On as the number one rock and roll album of all time. Now, I love Marvin gay but I wouldn't consider that the number one album of all time. And then I think the Beatles were on there, and maybe one of the other ones, but they tend to come out every twenty years where they rank the top five hundred songs of all time.

Yes, Marv, and I know how you love list.

Yeah yeah, yeah, well okay. What really set me off is, thanks for bringing it up, Marvin. Is when the Mothership was looking for the greatest college player of all time, and that had Michael Jordan is the greatest college basketball player of all time, And I go, that's embarrassing. I mean, great player. He wasn't the best player on his own team. He did hit a shot to win a national title. But there Kareem Louel Sendor's greatest college player of all time. Christian Latner is ahead of Michael Jordan. And I'm not talking talent, I'm talking about resume. Mike was a great talent, but he was an unknown talent. But to have Michael as the greatest college basketball player of all time, that was for clicks. And then that even Michael would tell you he's not the best college basketball player of all time.

Yes, pony, I have that Rolling Stone list from twenty twenty three, five hundred greatest albums. You want the top ten quickly?

How many Beatles are in there? Three?

I got a Bob Dylan. I got a Prince checking my computer's freezing off, of course.

So Dylan is in there for like a Rolling Stone, Yes, okay, Prince.

The Miseducation of Lauren Hill Lauren Hill ten great album, Fleetwood, Mac Rumors, Yeah, yeah, Nirvana, never Mind, the Beatles, Abbey Road, Stevie Wonders, Songs in the Key of Life, No Objections, Joni Mitchell, Blue the Beach, The Beach Boys, Pet Sounds is two, and Marvin Gay's What's going On is number one.

Yeah, love Marvin Gay, absolutely great. Him and Sam Cook two of my favorite artists. Great vocals. All right, Drew in California, Hi, Drew, what's on your mind?

Good morning, gentlemen, Thanks for taking my call a long time, first time, six one, two twenty. For a great movie with zero stars, my choice is Breaking Away nineteen seventy nine. It was low budget and it got nominated for the Academy.

Award for that year.

Starringwall was kind of a nobody Dennis Christopher who didn't get very big, but it had some young, totally unknown actors like Dennis Quaid and Daniel Stern, and probably the biggest star of the at the time was the guy who played Kelly Leak in The Battens Bears, Jackie Earl Haley.

Yeah, good call.

There by the way, the thunder favored by six coming up on Friday Night fell in Iowa ill.

One.

My movie selection is going to be Scream. I'm going back to the Slashers. You got Drew Barrymore in the opening scene. You have Nev Campbell and Courtney.

Cox, David Arquette before he was.

Than anything big that I remember, and Matthew Lillard. And then on the Brian Wilson subject, the Bare Naked Ladies did a song called Brian Wilson. They'll probably make you smile if you haven't heard it.

Oh cool, no, thank you. When I was around the bar Naked Ladies, they were wonderful guys. They had no idea who I was, but they were really wonderful people and just in the moment having a great time. See would you update the poll results up in his second hour of the program.

Heck, yeah, let's see who do you have winning the finals right now? The NBA Finals, to be more precise, of two options, the pacers in the thunder that is ats.

What is it with that recency buys? Yeah, I think it should be higher.

The recent you do, the bias should be higher, And.

That seems kind of crazy to me. Yeah.

I mean, well, the fact that Fritzy's now taking the pacers, you would think that that would have some people be a little leery.

Pacers and seven Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, you can't change, Todd. You made a prediction thunder and sixth.

Now I feel like it's pacers and seven.

Biers.

God only knows how I feel.

We're not going to do that.

For a while.

Yeah, yeah, God, only.

Two hours in the books. One more to go, Todd, Marvin, Paulie, Satan, yours. Truly we're back after this

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