LeBron James recently defended the greatness of those who haven’t won championships but Dan wonders if he might not be doing so for purely selfish reasons. And he considers the coverage of the dustup in the WNBA last night vs. the coverage of Tyrese Haliburton’s injury leading up to Game 6 of the NBA Finals.
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On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show. No basketball tonight, but as we look ahead to Thursday night, Game six, you have the Indiana Pacers at home as six and a half point underdogs, And if you're curious, the over under for Shay Gilgis Alexander is thirty three and a half. It feels like it's been thirty three or thirty four and a half every single game. Not expecting a big scoring output for Tyrese Halliburton. The over under right now according to DraftKings thirteen and a half points eight, seven to seven to three. DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle atp Show stat of the Day has always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Congrats to the Florida Panthers. This is how it sounded last night, down to the final five seconds.
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Right, eight seven seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. We don't know the status of Tyre's Halliburton and his strained calf. That's the kind of thing that you normally sit out, you don't play. But they're going to have an MRI this morning on it. I'm going to imagine, according to Rick Carlisle, that he was planning on having him play. I just don't know. I still don't understand why he played the second half of that game knowing that you can come back home, you can be healthier win this game. And now all bets are off when it's a game seven. But Halliburton is probably going to be hampered. He can't be one hundred percent, but you need him to be at least seventy five percent because what And I was watching this with a former coach and he was showing me some things and he said, Halliburton will go east to west. He said, I don't want my point guard going east to west on offense. He's got to go more north to south. Sga goes north to south. He's going to get in the lane. Halliburton has to go north south. But given this calf, he's going to be limited at being able to do this. It might be somebody else who is going to have like TJ. McConnell has to go north south. Halliburton can still be in the lineup, but he can't be your primary balk handler. But that was a former coach, college coach who was talking to me about that yesterday. Poll question hour two Seaton is going to be what.
Our one we got up there today.
I feel bad for oilers fans Connor McDavid Canada or Tyre's Halliburton.
Hm, I feel bad for Canada. I mean, at least give you some drama, least give you a seven game series. At least give you something where you you know what we were in this you really weren't. As Steve Leeby joined us. It was a six, six game sweep. That was a real no show last night too. This was tough. The last couple of games have been no shows. And you know there's a big difference. You've got two great players on one team and then you have a great team. Florida is a great team top to bottom they are and Marshand is wonderful to watch. He's just one of those guys you want him on your team and you don't want to play against him. But congrats as you have entered the Dynasty conversation. By the way, Lebron James was talking about how we're infatuated with winning championships. I don't know what because there's always a message, you know, with whatever he's saying, there's always something behind what he's saying. So he's on his podcast, Mind the Game podcast with Steve Nash, and he had this to say about our obsession with chammpionship rings.
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our sport, and why is the all be all of everything. You sit here and tell me, you know, Alan I Everson and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you know, wasn't unbelievable, like, oh, they can't be talked about or discussed with these guys.
Is because this guy.
One one ring or one two rings or one like it. It's just weird to me. It's like Sam Peyton Manning can't be in the same room with Brady or telling me that Dan Marino is not the greatest slinger of all time, or he can't be in a room with those guys because he didn't win a championship. They don't discuss those things. What's Lebron really saying here?
Now?
I get the overall picture, and we've brought this up many times that we are obsessed where a bottom line sports society, and the bottom line is winning a championship. And that's why I've been a big proponent of the Buffalo bill greatness and the Minnesota Vikings back in the seventies. They got to the Super Bowl, Yes, they lost, but they got there, and there's something to be said for that. But that's how we define greatness. It gets open to interpretation until you get to the bottom line of winning championships. If Tim Duncan's on another team doesn't win an NBA title, is he a Hall of Famer? Is he one of the top ten fifteen players of all time? Probably not. But if you have those championships, I have to count those. There are guys who have titles who aren't as good as guys who don't have titles. You get elevated because of your titles. Is Lebron saying just because I don't have six titles doesn't mean I can't be the goat? Now once again, I'm going to read into this a little bit more because I don't think Lebron is just sticking up for everybody on winning championships or not winning championships. It feels like he might say, Hey, I got all the stats, I've got everything, and I've got four titles. I don't have six, but I've got four. Why can't I be the greatest of all time? Whether he is saying this or not, That's the first thing I thought of, is what is the ulterior motive of saying this, Yes, Paul, it felt.
More to me.
My first reaction was Lebron's just critiquing the extreme media people that are end all be all with titles, with people that if they don't have a title, they're a failure, or a season without an appearance in a title game is a failure. I thought he's calling out hot take media people MM that he watches day to day or listens to day to day.
That's another thing. If you don't like these hot take guys like Charles Barkley couldn't stand Skip Bayless, then why are you watching Skip Baylet's It's not like you go downstairs into your living room and the TV comes on and then you go, I can't get away from this. You choose to turn on and listen to these guys? Yes, yes, time.
I mean you could always say someone told me or it popped up on my phone. I wasn't seeking out that I'll watch these shows. It was brought to my attention, and that's how you hide behind that.
Yes, but it feels like Charles Barkley was always watching Skip Bayless because he hated Skip Bayless.
Yes, yeah, I could see maybe Charles was always watching Skip Bayless because it seems like he would enjoy hate watching somebody. But if you're somebody like Lebron James, I do think that that type of media finds you, you know, I don't think that he has to sit down, like wake up in the morning, go down to his kitchen and turn on whatever show is on.
Yeah.
I think that stuff just ends up in his phone.
You know, it's amazing what ends up on our phone.
Everything does.
Yes, because you don't have to watch a WNBA game, but you're gonna be inundated with Caitlin Clark. Correct, even if you don't, you're not you don't, you're not concerned, you don't like you will get Caitlin Clark. I don't, and especially this morning after there was a couple of altercations in last night's game.
Yeah, Seed, I don't watch the WNBA.
If truth be told, I'm nearly not all that interested in Caitlyn Clark or like the rivalries or really any of those storylines. I'm not all that interested in Angel Reese or whatever is going on. And it's my entire social media. I don't search it out, I don't look for it. I don't google stats. I don't do anything even remotely related to women's basketball, and it's seventy five percent of my social media.
Well, on Sunday with the US Open, one website had one article about the US Open, and I think five articles about Caitlin Clark's performance against the Liberty might have been more than that, might have been like six or seven articles on that and just one on the US Open. I mean, this is what you know, kind of being a sports fan is nowadays, it's what's on my phone. Well, then that must be the most popular thing going on, or I need to know more about this just because they're trying to get clicks, and then more clicks, it's going to be even more prominent. And then if they realize that you're digesting this, consuming this, let's put out even more of that. Like Shador Sanders, people are interested. They're interested, or they wouldn't keep putting this out. Micah Parsons contract, they're interested. That's why you put it out. It's the other thing that they don't put out, and they should be covering We should be covering sports, but unfortunately we don't. We play the hits, or networks play the hits I try. I play what interests me, and hopefully what interests me interests you or a guest that can accompany that. But you know, I get it with Lebron, you don't have to watch a Laker game, and I could pretty much go from social media, what's going on with Lebron? James Luka, Doncik's wait. You know, these are the things that make you click, things that make you go click.
Yes, Pauli, you're absolutely right about the cycle of it, and would it be a Caitlin Clark play or a play of Shad or Sanders. These websites task their young employees with pumping out content that feeds that beast. You know, So when there isn't a story about Clark or whoever it may be, they find one, they create one, and they do it. And because it it's the anger and the ire of people, and they click on it, either to hate read it or read it and comment on it. It feeds that if you ever want it to stop, you stop clicking, you stop commenting, they'll stop doing.
Yeah.
I had somebody from the Mothership who's a friend, and he said, why do you critique our rundown and stories that we cover? I said, because I used to be there. I mean, I know what goes on there. And Shadoor Sanders in June, Dak Prescott's legacy in June, and he says, we're serving our audience. I said, well, it's like serving them and the same thing, because they don't know there's another restaurant, like, hey, here's McDonald's. Man, this is great. Then all of a sudden you give them another meal and you go, wait a minute, I didn't know about this.
You do.
You're serving them, but are you serving them or over serving them? Yes, Pauling, that's exactly it.
It's an overserving based off the analytics. And if something doesn't get clicks, it does not get coverage. Like you said, I was reading a sports website and their feed on Sunday, it's like no updates on the US Open Up, pretty major sporting event on a Sunday, and tons on other things that had nothing to do, third string quarterbacks and so forth.
And you know, Caitlin Clark is going to get more coverage than Tyrese Halliburton and the Pacers and needing to win this game, and it's not her, it's just they know that that will get clicks. And it won't be nobody's going to talk about how many points she scored last night. They won't. They'll show you a couple of incidents there where there was some pushing and shoving and some hard fouls there. It's just like when Kate and had that unbelievable performance against the Liberty. I don't think anybody mentioned that Sabrina Einesque had thirty four points in that game because nobody cares.
As Marv, nobody knew the Liberty was undefeated.
Yeah, no, you're right, yes, yes, Ton.
It's also a societal thing and just the negative out shining unfortunately the positive. If you're watching the evening news or the late news or Scott Van Pelt Sports anyway, you know one good thing that gets a little thing at the very end, one mentioned about something that can be very uplifting. Same thing on the news. They'll take one minute at the very end to share something positive about eleven year old that just became a neurosurgeon. And everything else's bombs and explosions and horrific things that happened.
Well, I think it's mandatory to end your news with something positive. Having been in local news not very long by the way I didn't get the job, but you'd always have to have, you know, Sally and Jimmy and they would have And tonight we leave you with and then it'll be you know, some little ducklings walking across the street or something. You know, they're like, good night, we'll see you at eleven.
Yes, I worked down the hall at CBS News from the CBS News TV department, and there was a guy who's a producer. His job was to find the feel good. They called it the feel good and they ended every Dan Rather broadcast with a bunch of ducks were saved in Nova Scotia and whatever it may be, as long as they had video for a feel good.
And then Dan Rather would say, courage. Yeah, that was weird. Courage, look it to yourselves on each other, roll tig, just take a break. We'll have more in the NBA Finals, The Pivotal Game seven six, I should say, the Pivotal Game six coming up. Eman Schumpert, who does some NBA work, former NBA champion with the Cavaliers. Heal Joones coming up and more of your phone calls as well. We're back after this and the Dan Patrick Show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. More phone calls coming up each seven to seven three DP show. If you're watching on Peacock, Thank you for downloading the app. We'll update the poll results for the second hour of the program. Imman Schumpert played ten seasons in the NBA, former first round pick by the Knicks, won a title with the Cavaliers, and he's co host of ESPN's digital pregame show, Hoop Streams, and he's going to win the award of Best Dress today. So thanks for showing us up there. And mon, how are you today? I'm doing well, I'm doing great. Can you explain to our audience the difference for what a calf strain means to an NBA player and how that might affect Haliburton tomorrow night.
When we talk about a calf stray, we talk about a hamstring stray. Those are two things that if we think back to when Kevin Durant tried to go out there before that calf are always recovered. Right, You're putting yourself in position of one hurt yourself for the long term. But when we talk about a game that's valuable and you talk about competing, it's hard to turn your head and say that you'll let a hamstring or a.
Calf let you sit down.
I expect him to play, but its effectiveness throughout the game. I don't think that Indiana should weigh in heavy on it the way that they did last game. I think it's something that they should explore TJ McConnell a little bit more, just because one he was effective and they took him out.
I feel a little bit too early. But as a player, when you have a.
Calf strain, you have a hamstring strain, you have to kind of tell your guys, I don't all the way have it. I'm going to be out there for war. I'm going to be out there, you know, from morale, so that we can give the look that we've always given. But at the end of the game, I can't push how I need to push to get you guys there, And I don't think that their teammate should expect anything from that.
Who does Sga remind you of?
Ah?
Sga is He's one of those guys that he reminds me of you know, a couple of different guys put together. But if you really break his game down, is Kobe uh picking spots, getting the spots and having a counter given getting to spots and playing with the pivot rather than trying to use his athleticism every time he gets there, using the angles of the glass, the hanging time on the jump shot, the jump shot that changes around the rim. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty dead on with Kobe.
Was there a scouting report with Kobe?
Yeah, the scout report was good luck. But Kobe, Kobe was always one of those guys that the only scouting report that you had on him was his dead zones. So you have the zones on the floor that I'm not gonna say dead zones, kill zones. He has the places on the floor that he's the most dangerous because you start thinking about the array of moves, the array of counters that he has, his ability to get you into foul trouble when he gets you into these moments. So you want to stay away from, you know, those kill zones, and you want to stay away from earning two fouls early if playing against somebody like Kobe, because it could end up a long night.
Who talked a lot like Kobe. Was he a chatty gun?
Not at all?
Kobe said what he needed to say, Well, I don't. I wouldn't know. I never had a playoff war with him. I've never gone back and forth with Kobe for a long time. We had our very small tip the tap back and forth, and then he was sort of make his statement in the game will kind of.
Go how he said it would go.
So I don't know how people heard me tell that Kobe story, but yeah, it usually goes how Kobe says.
We did win that game, but I don't think Kobe ses sorry.
The end of the we headed into the fourth quarter, I'm playing really well.
I got stealed.
You know, I'm doing really well against him from my standpoint as a rookie player coming into this league, always wanting to go head up with somebody like this and saying, wow, I actually deflected a pass, I got a stop, we got stops, rebounds, I drove by him. I'm thinking of all these positive things that I've done to play against this, you know, legendary laker. And then the end of the third quarter comes, he comes out, he sits next to me, puts his hands on his knees, not because he's tired, just you know, I guess because he didn't want people to know what was going on. And when I leaned down, he tapped me on the leg and he said, YEA had a great game, young fella.
And my first reaction was, it's twelve.
Minutes, the most disrespectful thing anybody's ever said to me, Like, what do you mean by that? And yeah, after that, Kobe he brought out the whole package. It was almost as if to say, you know, he wasn't going one hundred percent, but I know that now being older. He was just letting me know, you know, this is the last game on this West Coast swing for US.
Well it was either their last game or one of the last.
Games, but they on their East Coast swing for US, and Kobe wasn't gonna, you know, go all out the whole game. He was saving it for the last twelve minutes to see if he could, you know, get another win before they pack it up and go back to LA And you know, understanding his professorism in that moment, I didn't, which is you know why I told the story so animated, But as the years have gone on, you start to understand that these older players usually have just been around the block a few times. They understand when to turn it on, when to turn it off, and they understand the longevity of the game. Kobe Bryan is one of the most ultimate professionals that I've gotten to go again.
Aman Sheumper played ten seasons in the NBA and he's co host at ESPN's digital pregame show it's called Hoop Streams. The chances for the Pacers to make this to a game seven or what.
It's gonna be tough.
I think that they have done an incredible job with making sure that they are in games for forty eight minutes. The times that you think that you've put them away, they find ways.
To cut the lead down.
They can rush through a ten point lead quicker than anybody I've seen do it in the NBA, stringing together stops. They doing a great job of pressuring the ball, pressuring the inbounds passes, so I never feel like they're out of a game. So I'm happy when they're going home to Indiana. But I don't know how good these chances can be. If Jalen Williams place like that, Jalen Williams sees blood. I think that he's that previous year against Dallas where he didn't have a great showing Game five. He handled game five this year, and I can only imagine that we're going to see more gas from his foot as well as more gas from SGA, who made a conscious effort to distribute the ball last game, responsible for his own thirty, but also very responsible and conscious effort to make sure he swung it around, made sure guy's got good looks and guys got you know, a couple of shots at the rim. A couple of those assists didn't go down right away, but they were able to get second chance rebounds due to them keeping the balance floor. With those two playing like that, especially down the stretch, and then playing small ball on the other end to get stops, that is an extremely tough team to beat, especially with chet Homer player well like that. Yeah, that's in for a long night. I think this might be over in six.
Doesn't sound like there's a long list of teams interested in Kevin Durant. Why is that it does.
We're talking about a thirty six year old. You're talking about somebody that has had to suffer an injury that you know it takes a little while to come back from when you have a major injury, start talking about your age, you start talking about how much are you really willing to give up to get a Kevin Durant. I think that a team has to be trying to move into the director direction of win now. And there's a lot of teams that though they want to win now, they also want the longevity of saying we have a core group that can stay together, that can grow together. And I don't know how much at this age you can expect growth.
From a Kevin Durant. He sort of plays how he plays.
He wants what he wants, and yeah, with other teams, they're expecting a lot. You got to give up a lot to give him, and you're wondering what that return is on. Somebody that you know had that similar chance in Phoenix and they couldn't get over the hump.
Are you prouder of your NBA Championship or you're Dancing with the Stars champion?
Well, my mother, my mother loves that Dancing with the Stars trophy, but I will always love my NBA Championship ring a whole lot more.
Can Lebron ever yell at you.
Yeah.
I think that one of my favorite things from playing with Lebron was though he had his moments where he would yell or he would give out a command, Lebron is very principled on first command. So there's times that we've yelled at him and his response to it is a genuine energy burst for whatever you said he didn't do. Like I've yelled Atbron and said, you know, you get your ass back. I'll do what you I'll do what you said down there, I got you, get your ass, bang.
And get the block when I go for the strip. When he double clutch, you get the block.
And I think that's what makes him such a joy to play with. He's willing to respond to an extra effort, He's willing to do all that. But Lebron does demand. He demands you to run hard. He demands you to play hard, and you know.
If you run through a wall him that it's a mutual respect on that end.
Is there anything he could do that would supplant Michael Jordan as the greatest of all time in your opinion?
No, No, nothing Bron's I think Lebron is the greatest of all time. He is the perfect example of a basketball player. He has the physical makeup that nobody else might ever get. You know, right hand, left hand, you want drive, you want to jump shot, you want somebody that's that knows the playbook. Of all the coaches in the NBA, I've never seen a basketball mind get to meet up with such a dominant physical form ever before Lebron James. So understanding that and understanding accolades, I completely get it.
It's just when you talk about how long it took.
To catch Jordan's record, Jordan took a couple of years off within getting this record. I can't put anybody past Michael Jordan, just because I'm more ranking on winning and how I felt having a player like that on my favorite team. So Jordan will always be my goat. But I totally understand the argument that happens. I think it's even more special that I got to play with Lebron and you know, be a part of that conversation people will talk about all the time, like you guys are hating on Lebron just because they wanted to be better than Jordan and everybody. And I think it's a great conversation. And I think Lebron Kobe's Steph. All of them understand they have done their job and we are supposed to have this barbershop talk about who is the greatest.
Okay, you think Jordan is the greatest of all time?
Oh yeah, I'm home right now in Chicago. My mom's still here. Yeah, Jordan, Jersey's everywhere.
Would you say that to Lebron if Lebron said.
I've said it to Lebron.
I don't know how many times I love I love Lebron, I love him.
That is That's my guy. We did our job together, we got our ring.
Yeah, they I've never changed my stance on the argument of it.
I used to argue with Mellow about stuff like this.
I used to tell Melo he wouldn't be nothing if he didn't get a championship. It was just my motivation to him that that is what matters. That is the only reason we are here. I don't know what makes you, you know, get all jiggly as a little kid, but I'm like that shiny championship ball is what we want.
That. Larry O'Brien, Yeah, but you grew up in Chicago, if you grew up if you grew up some other places, aside from you know, Jordan's backyard with the bulls.
Would you think I've never I've still never seen a competitor like Michael Jordan. Again, I've somebody bringing the ball down that could palm the ball at any time, plays with an in and out package, goes right, goes left, jump off one foot, jump off two foot, get to his spot, have counters to everything.
And be.
You know, so so competitive that you make the All Defensive team. I just and and do it in the same year you get the MVP. I just with this guy. I just loved the way it looked. I loved the way uh he commanded respect. I love the way he stayed out of the media. You never really knew what he thought, but you knew when he guaranteed we were gonna win.
Uh.
There's a certain way that Michael Jordan did it that I'll always be overly opinionated for him.
Don't you wish you could have guarded him?
I do.
I wish I could have went out a lot of people, especially without blowing my ACL. I really, you know, never got to move ninety four feet how I wanted to ever again after blowing my ACL.
But the.
But you know, playing against Kobe and what Kobe could do, and it's better than Kobe.
That's what I'm saying.
I would have loved, you know, to just get out there and you know, put my.
Best foot forward, so to speak.
But the cool thing is I probably would have guarded Mike a lot better than I could guard Kobe, just because I studied Mike Moore. When people used to think all the time that when I was playing defense on somebody that it was because I was a great defender, and I used to tell them actually being a defender sometimes being an ultimate fan. I was an ultimate fan of basketball. But I'm also a huge Lebron fan. I'm a huge Kobe fan. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan. I'm a fan of Kyrie, like though he's my classman. It's like I'm a fan of how you play the game, how you attack the game, And if you watch enough highlights.
You start to pick up on tendencies.
If you watch enough of their their game film, you start to see what they're plan is as far as getting themselves going.
And I just did my job to take it away.
Good to talk to you. I hope you finding a home there in the media. Thanks for joining us.
Appreciate Chod.
That's Simon Schumpert. He of course won an NBA title. More importantly, he also won Dancing with the Stars. You can catch him on hoop streams. That'll be tomorrow night. That'll be ESPN's YouTube channel, Facebook the ESPN A. All right, well take a break, get phone calls coming up, new poll question as well. We're back after this.
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You know where I went recently. This has nothing to do with anything today, but I went to the Chelsea Hotel in New York City. Sick so that famous for all the rock stars that would go there stay there. Legendary rocks stars were there and didn't sit in Nancy did They said Vicious died there. I know that they stayed there. I don't know if they overdose there, but Hendricks would be there, Jagger would be there, Dylan would be there, and they've redone the Chelsea Hotel. The lobby is wonderful, beautiful, the bar area beautiful. But I was just in there and I was taking my kids I said we should go in the Chelsea Hotel, and they were like, nobody goes in there. I go, No, they just renovated it, and you go in and it's gorgeous inside, and the bar was wonderful, and you start to talk about the history and got pictures there and used to be a pretty special place. But it got run down and then you had people who wouldn't move out because it was rent controlled and you'd pee it there in the part of the city paying a couple hundred dollars. People were there for decades, never moved down. So Chelsea Hotel.
Yeah, Pauline, Yes, said Vicious from the sex Pistols in the late seventies. He allegedly killed his girlfriend Nancy at that hotel.
He sponging, yes, and then he died.
He didn't die at the hotel, but he died less than a year later before trial.
I think, right, Yes, Okay. A couple of phone calls here zach and Knoxville. Welcome back, zach.
Tha, thanks for taking my call.
Can you hear me bout it?
Yeah?
I got you all right, all right?
Tell Marv not to hit that button. He showed heo tawnied me yesterday I didn't actually get to get my point.
I got a little after one inning.
But I just want to say that I wonder how how much we talk about dynasties and how often just a great team gets lost in the sauce, like an eighty five Bears or ninety one Redskins eighty six Giants. You think we put too much emphasis on the dynasty.
Well, no, because we talk about the eighty five Bears. They got far more credit than they deserved. They won one time. We should be looking at what they didn't do instead of what they did do. The Giants team that was a great team as well, So I think sometimes we do focus on that one and done, But it's because you think that they should be winning more. The eighty six Mets. What an unbelievably talented team. They won, but they needed Bill Buckner's error for them to get to a seventh game. So I think sometimes we overlook the team that is overrated. Sometimes we don't focus in on and the Bears were dominating, but they should have continued to dominate. Yeah, Paul, I thought.
That Washington Redskins note he had was interesting because the Redskins won three Super Bowls between eighty two and ninety one. The constant was their head coach, Joe Gibbs.
But they did it with.
Three different quarterbacks and only one of them became a Hall of Famer.
Thisman yes and Ripping Yep and Jay Shrader a Schrader.
Shell almost get more credit for doing it with less.
Is thiseman in the Hall of Fame? He didn't have great numbers? Even he didn't win an MVP. Mark Moseley was the kicker who won the MVP.
Is not in the Hall of Fame. He's got an MVP as a player.
Yeah, and he didn't have great numbers.
He has won Super Bowl.
Well, he also lost his Super Bowl.
Yeah, boy, if it was the football Hall of Fame for college and pro, he might be in.
Yeah.
Yes, Todd, you could win multiple titles in a row and still not get enough credit. And with Constanta, Like look the Lakers in two thousand and two thousand and two, how often have we said him on this show? It's like they should have won even more and then Shaq and Kobe went separate ways and we're on.
Yeah. I brought it up many times that we would remember for what they didn't do instead of what they did do. You had to me that that could have been the greatest two man dynasty of all time if you look at what they could have been together, just trying to coexist. You know, Scotty and Mike were great, but they weren't shacking Kobe. If you look at the possibilities of those two dominating and continuing to dominate. And I don't want to get into this, well, okay, Jordan and Pippen versus you know, Scotty and I mean Kobe and Shack are going to win that because nobody can guard Shack. You know, Scotty's wonderful, but all of a sudden, Shack could be good. Out of my way a little man, Yes, Marvin.
Yeah, I think what kills Lakers fans is that when the Lakers won their three peat, Kobe Bryant was twenty three years old. That's what's killing people. It's like, wait, he was twenty three and Shaq was me thirty.
Yeah, thank you Zach for the phone called Derek in La Hi, Derek, what's on your mind?
Hey dpte eybun first time, long time five ten and a declining to twenty five. I just wanted to touch base. I think you guys hit the nail on the head with the dynasty is it's got to be a sustained excellence. And the Giants in the early tens they missed the playoffs and they've only made the playoffs twice then, so you know, I don't think you can consider them a dynasty at all.
Now, that was my argument, that you've got to make the playoffs the other years that you're not winning a championship. I don't think you can win a title not make the playoffs, win a title, not make the playoffs and great achievement. And you know, maybe I'm being a dynasty snob here, Yes, Marvin.
Are the Giants Marlins esque?
The Marlins won twice though in what five years?
Yeah, but they didn't make the playoffs the other years.
Yeah, but the Giants won three times in five years.
Still impressive. I know it's out a dynasty according to Fritzi.
Fritzi doesn't even know what his definition tout. All right, two hours in the books on this Wednesday, one more to go, Yes, the Minister of Humor also Seaton Marv Paully yours truly final hour Right after this