Doug Gottlieb and Dan Beyer in for Dan as they discuss the New England Patriots, how their rookie Drake Maye did Thursday night, and what the identity is of this current team. Doug and Dan talk about the number of teams that would welcome Tom Brady's services right now. Former NFL Executive and former Bucs' General Manager Mark Dominik joins the guys to weigh in on the Patriots, Sam Darnold, and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Doug and Dan propose some new college traditions.
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We've done that at Super Bowls. We've sat next to each other. We've done it two time zones away. But there are also things that I do need to do in here when maybe you and I aren't chatting.
Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. It's it's it's doing work, okay. So we got a lot of stuff to talk about. Mark Dominic is going to join us upcoming in twenty five minute. Mark's former gentlemanager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's basically spend an his tires, professional life in the NFL, and we'll get his thoughts on I think the question of the day, and it's like a it's a question we have just about every year. Is you draft a quarterback? When do you give him that opportunity? When do you give them that opportunity? And for everybody but the Atlanta Falcons, right that opportunity you feel like is going to come, and especially the first round draft picks, that that opportunity is going to come sometime during their first season. And last night, if you watched Drake May against the Philadelphia Eagles, you're like, hey, this might work right, And of course they have Jacoby Brissett and who former Patriot coming back to the Patriots, who we know is just solid. Seems like a stud dude. You know, I remember remember that game he started gosh how many years ago was it where when he was a rookie where they just they kind of ran option. They know, it was like it was an all time bellow check wind. Yeah.
Garoppolo was supposed to fill in for Brady, but then Garoppolo got hurt.
Wait, Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt. That never surprise. That was during the four game suspension for Brady, right, yes, and then that was actually probably your first question about Garoppolo, who actually didn't fare that poorly when he was playing. But you're like, wow, if Jacoby Brissett can put something together, maybe it is just Belichick. That one was just Belichick. They were running option, they were doing all kinds, all kinds of trickery. I want to say again, and this is just off top of head. Was that against the Texans.
I don't know.
I feel like the Texans always go up there. I remember Textan you have been. I remember the Texans also another Texan game when they went up there with the letter jackets that did not end well.
That was a home game. That was because it was like Letterman's Day. Yeah, that didn't that didn't work. Those I don't know if those even made a return.
No, no, I thought that they There was never another letter. It was just just just that one. So I yeah, I mean again, I don't want to get caught up in Patriot talked for the most part, but it was interesting last night to watch him because you know, the reports were eh eh, and then you watch him play last night, and maybe some of it was a comparison to Drake to Jacoby Brissett, who was inaccurate, but some of it was, Yeah, it look like you might be able to play.
It's funny because Drake May is going to be included in the twenty twenty four quarterback class. But there's a subclass to this too, Doug, where you're in the one, two three, that's who you're lined up with. So it's not even necessarily being compared with Michael PENNOCKX you alluded to, is not going to see the field this year unless there's an injury to Kirk Cousins. We know now no, well, we now know JJ McCarthy is not going to see the field this year for the Minnesota Vikings because of his knee injury. But still, I don't know how those two would have been compared when you go one, two three in a draft, and by far, the New England Patriots are the worst team suited of those three picks, those three teams that picked in the top three in the nif FELL Draft this past spring, Caleb Williams and Jade and Daniels have a much better opportunity to succeed than Drake May does in New England. So there's a lot with it in terms of do you throw him in there? To that point, I mean, Caleb Williams looked great. There's just when you're looking at these quarterbacks and we look back at history, there's gonna be this subset where we're going to rank was it Williams, was that Daniels, was it May? And who was better? And that's what Drake Bay's gonna have to deal with.
Yeah, and and you you also have to credit the Chicago Bears, who it's it's one thing to draft a quarterback, but it also feels like they've completely revamped the offense and given him, given Kayleb Williams the best possible chance to succeed early, right, Yeah, Jane Dams were like, well, we'll see, right, there's a new regime there and and we'll see kind of what that looks like.
Even with with Daniels though, And I'll tell you what, if you're not a big football fan, good luck. Name a Patriots wide receiver that Drake May or Jacoby Brissette would have to throw to, at least in Washington. You're like, Okay, Terry McLaurin, all right, there's you know, there's a viable target you had Brian Robinson and Austin Eckler in the backfield for them. Patriots did good Vermondes' romondre Stevens in a big contract. The point being is dan Quinn's been here before, dan Quinn's been to a super Bowl before, even that transition. Trod Mayo's his first time as a head coach and anything, and it just feels like the Patriots are so far behind everybody else in terms of trying to catch up that you wonder if it's good or bad if Drake Mate gets too much action, because I just don't think that there's a lot there for him to work with.
Well, at least the division is not difficult, that's right. There's and there's not like there's good quarterbacks in that division either, you know, so so they got that going for them as well, you know. But this it does feel like a little bit of a return to even the pre parcels Patriots, right, That's that's what it feels like. It's that long ago that the Patriots has always been, you know, put them down for ten twelve wins, and now you're like, and then there's you don't even list them in playoff possibility.
Isn't that part of the dilemma with Drake May, like you would feel like you have nothing to lose, but and you want to get as much information as you can early. And I think Patriot fans last night, the Patriot fans that I saw on social media were loving what they saw. I thought it was fine for what Drake May did, and I think it was perfect. The best pascity threw ended up being an incompletion. That was the one that we saw on social media ton last night. You know, the touchdown run was whatever, and his short yardage played. Nobody thought he was going to keep the football and he ended up making it into the end zone. But it's like Patriot fans are wanting to believe that this is the answer. And that's the dilemma. Do you play Drake May now with the limited supporting cast or do you have Jacoby Brissett start and have Drake May take over. I think that's the better option if you personally ask me, I don't think Drake May should start week one.
You can make that's the ays thing. What's the what's the and starting week one? And look, I do like that they hired Alex Van Peltzer, offensive coordinator right. I mean, he's famously a guy who Aaron Rodgers loved working with him, so I think Baker Mayfield really like working with him as well. I mean, I just think that's a that's a guy who really knows how to connect with quarterbacks. But you're right, it's like, this is not a year, it's not a make or break year. I'll just can I'll give you the the the me coaching kind of background. Right, So when I'm I'm trying to figure out my roster at Green Bay, and you know, it's a little different because guys can leave. But I have a I have a player who is coming in from Australia and the rest of my players I got a chance to coach for eight weeks in the summer, and he's young, he's committed to staying like long term. I have other players at his position. I think he's going to be really, really, really good. But it's like, what is the I don't have to play him, what's the rush? Whereas there are other guys where one they're more advanced or two it's kind of part of the agreement, which is like, hey, we're gonna we're gonna give you a shot early. But with the Patriots. You have a guy under contract, he's not going anywhere. That doesn't mean you sit him and not play him. But they open up against the Cincinnati Bengals on the road, then they play the Seahawks at home, Then they go to the Jets, then they go to the Niners. Like, I don't know, do you want men? Eventually you got to get him a shot, but do you want to turn him? You want to let Nick Bosa turn it loose and on the road in San Francisco. I don't know if that's the best idea. It feels like once you get to October, when they play the Dolphins at home, the Texans at home, they go to the Jaguars and the Jets at home, that's probably a softer landing spot, not because those teams stink, but because those teams you're at home, and it just gives you a better guy, a better sense of a balance.
I also think, and I just three minutes ago, said Drake May is going to be compared to Kayleb Williams and Jayde Daniels, which I completely agree with. But if you take his situation to compare it to what Minnesota had or now has, because of the injury to JJ McCarthy. There's more of a dilemma in Minnesota because people like you and others still believe in Sam Donald for as much as you're taking JJ McCarthy number one, and he is likely going to be your guy from Minnesota. If he lights everything up and is absolutely amazing, it sets Sam Donald's career back on track, but it also gives Minnesota a decision. No offense to Jacoby Brissette. But we know who Jacoby Brissett is. There's not going to be a resurgence in his career. He is who he is. They brought him in for a reason, and there's no threat there. There's no opportunity for there. So if you brought Jacoby Brissett in for that reason, then you brought him in for that reason, you might as well use him. It's not you didn't bring him in to be like I think he can compete with Rake May. That doesn't make any sense. No, he was there to help Drake May along, to move him along, to take the snaps and play the games that Drake May isn't ready for, and then when he is finally ready, he'll take over. But that was the reason it's completely different from what Minnesota is doing with their quarterback.
But can I give you maybe a little bit different way of looking at it? Sure, you know, I understand how we're all going to compare this quarterback class and the rankings of this quarterback class and forever Sam Donald. Not only is it's not just about Sam Donald's about the fact that Lamar Jackson was in that same class and he's won a couple MVPs. Right, And the funny part about Lamar Jackson was everyone passed on him in the first round, including the Baltimore Ravens. Right, Like include Baltimore Ravens didn't know something everybody else didn't, Right, they took him, but they'd already taken a tight end in the first round before they ultimately drafted Lamar Jackson. But the point here is, like, we can be critical of him if he turns out to not be better, especially than JJ McCarthy who was drafted behind him, But you cannot say, well, they should have had Jaden Daniels. Well, they couldn't get Jane. They weren't getting Jane, they weren't getting Caleb Williams, right, those it's not a possibility. So it's a hard thing sometimes for a fan to rationalize. But and this is where they say the old what comparison is the thief of joy. I understand, we're gonna if we could redraft, if we could reorder. Okay, but the only team that could have picked any of the quarterbacks is the Bears. The only team that could have taken any of the quarterbacks outside of Kayleb Williams is the Commanders. And then the Patriots selected the third what they thought was the third best option. And that's the only fair way you can look at it. And we are completely unfair as sports fans.
We just are. That's reality to it. I agree with you completely except for one caveat. But we saw in Hard Knocks offseason, New England had a chance to trade down with the Giants, like the Giants and soy. And that's funny because I loved that show. Lard Knocks offseason. I thought nine million times better than Bears training camp.
I thought I thought they really nailed something there. I yes, I just do.
I agree.
I thought that was you were like, oh, this is it's better than the one with JJ watt on a tackling dummy. Yes, off in the side, pretending like he's, you know, doing putting in this extra work and he's Captain America, like this is actually real. And I've had by the way I was with I was with the Bears at their facility. I talked to some of their guys and they're like, did you watch the Giants thing. I was like, yeah, that was awesome.
Yeah, it's great. That's the stuff that you're sitting around twenty years later and you're like, well, you didn't know it. But the Patriots actually got a call from the Giants the day of the draft, or they didn't want to do the deal and took Drake May and the rest was history. Those are the stories. So I agree with everything he said. But for Patriots fan, if it doesn't work out, can always say, well, see, you should have done that deal with the Giants. Could have stuck him with New York. You know.
The other interesting part about the Patriots is, and we're seeing you know, the Dolphins are an example of it. You know, the Bills went through it forever after. You know, when you lose a legendary quarterback. What's happened in Green Bay is one of one. There is no franchise in professional sports or in professional football that's gone from Hall of Famer to Hall of Famer to now what they feel like is franchise quarterback. It just hasn't happened. You know, John Elway retires in Denver. Go through the names obviously, Miami. I think a big reason they overpaid to a tongue of Biloa was it's been thirty years or so, maybe even more since Dan the Man, right, and you're like, we haven't had anybody that we really thought was our guy, that we could build around, that we could keep, that was good enough. So let's just hold onto this one grasp on this and hell, that's part of the Bears thing. It's like the Bears have never really had a guy. I mean, everybody loved Jim McMahon, but let's not act like Jim McMahon was one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL. Even when they won the Super Bowl, they were a defensive oriented team and they had Walter Payton and you know, every once in a while they would chuck it up deep to Willie galt So And I'm not like defaming Jim McMahon. He was more of a personality than he was. He wasn't at that time. Remember that's Marino in Montana, that's what he was. So I do, like, if you're New England, you got to just sit here and gore, like, look, we don't necessarily need the next Tom Brady, the next Tom Brady like that that's an ultimate outlier. But man, if we can just get somebody who's good, who's solid, right, good dude, solid dude gets for the football, accountable, good leader right like this is because these next three years, maybe even four, when he's under a rookie deal, that's what you can truly rebuild a franchise. If you can get away with not spending any money in the quarterback room and then sp spending all the money and you had to draft smartly all around. That's got to be the process. But it's fascinating to watch. You know, so many of these teams have searched for years. The Packers obviously are the opposite of it. And when or how long it takes New England to find just a multi year starter, just a multi year starter. He's Dan byrom Dog gotlib. This is the Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. Man, we got a lot going on today in sports. Mercedes Benz Dream Days are here with exceptional offers on cle E Coop, E Classidan, The c Classidan, and the CLA Cle Cabriolet. Going now through September third. Learn more at nbusa dot com slash Dream all Right, cout it Next to the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Tom Brady's Got Jokes, Got Jokes. We'll pretend the serious and play this out next.
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That's Dan Patrick show, Fox Sports Radio. So there's a video out there, Dan Byer, I don't know if you've seen it, where Tom Brady is on a boat and he's throwing passes the people on jet skis, and he turns to the camera and says, I just want to make sure all these young bucks in the NFL know I if I still wanted to come out of retirement, they still got something to deal with, Brady said, which, by the way, most all of these question backs, lots of NFL NBA players say the exact same thing. But what if, right, yes, it's the gigantic what.
If When you read the comments in print, you're like, wait, what is he talking about? And then later on he said that he's had zero passing days this offseason, so by no means is he ready and now he's forty seven years old. But I kind of started going through some of the NFL and being like, all right, if they could take Brady right now in their current situation, how many would And more more often than not, Doug I thought I would maybe get one per division, but it was more like one or two when you're really like looking at it and you're saying, all right, AFC East, who he just talked about, would New England take him back? Absolutely? I don't think there's any question.
In a heart, but he would. He would never go there. No, never go there.
No, I don't. I don't think so either. But would the Dolphins take him? Yeah? Yeah, I agree.
I mean, like, look, if I'm the Dolphins, I would rather have him than Tua right now.
Well that's and I think that there are people who believe that as well. It also are on that same page with you. Pittsburgh rather have Brady than Fields and Wilson, Yeah, absolutely, Will Levis or Tom Brady and Tennessee for this season Tom Brady? Yeah, Tom Brady absolutely go to the AFC West, Broncos and Raiders.
You know what he has. I'm gonna use the word that that the kids are using today, Like I love having teenage kids, and now I have two, one that's in college, one that's going to college next week. You ever heard they use the word aura, right, Yes, they have aura. He just does. It's like a real thing. Like even if he can't throw a football on him, what which he can I'm sure he can't. At the velocity and the accuracy and the consistency of which he did, you know earlier's career. That's that's normal. It's natural. It's actually natural aging process. Even though he seems to not age, he does. He's got that Benjamin Button thing going. But he does have aura. And you know whether or not he'd actually be good, he make you believe that here you can be good.
Yeah, there are a lot of spots in the NFL that you would think, all right, he's not gonna go. But when you really look at it and break it down, there's probably at least one team of division that you're like, yeah, they probably have Brady, and then in some cases it's two. It's it's crazy. And when he said you know what he's got, I went on the way back machine to Seinfeld and to Oxy. I thought you were gonna say moxie Yet, Maxie, I don't know if that's that's the same as aura as the the kids these days are saying. But he also has it, I think that we all understand. And he also has seven Super Bowl rings.
I don't know if he has them. The moxie is like the one thing about guys when they get older, is they know. But none of those guys like to be hit. None of them go like, man, I can't wait to come back in the NFL and get ear hold right, but to step in there staying there like they have a tendency to dirt it and get rid of it quicker.
Yeah.
But I it's the it's the the leadership component and the I read this story where there was an empty locker next to him in Tampa and players should just bring stuff in every day and just leave it there and just every day it's there, just sign sign sign, sign signed. So it's like, you know, when you're a player who guys in the NFL literally grew up watching you win Super Bowls, It's it's a it's a different, different deal. Mark Dominic joins us here on the Dan Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio with Dan Byrum, Doug Gottlieb, and Mark of course, former general manager of the Tampay Buccaneers, spent his lifetime in the National Football leag We're talking about Drake May and Jacoby Brissett, and what I was talking about earlier is like, look, you can compare him to Jade Danels. You can compare them to Kayleb Williams. But the Patriots didn't have the chance to draft either of those two quarterbacks. So you've been in these situations before. What's the They're not great expectations of New England. They're a difficult division. You got first year head coach, you're rebuilding the roster. What's the thought behind when you start him? Because you're going to start him? But when do you start Drake May?
Yeah, you know, I think it's an inchie question in my personal opinion. You start them with probably around week three or four. You let Jacoby Brissett, you know, take the lumps early in the season. Let Drake May see what the difference is between week one of the preseason and week one of the regular season and how everything gets ramped up, what a week looks like from a preparation standpoint, And unless Jacoby Brissett goes out there and just lights it up, you make the transition round week three and four. And the reason why, Doug Dana I see it as this, You're going to need fans to get behind Drake May and and right now I don't think they are fully behind him.
Yea.
And so if Kacobe were set struggles, the fans gonna be like, well, let's at least play Drake May, and they're gonna be more forgiving to it. So Drake May, number one, is going to get to the field a little slow to see how to get prepared. And number two, he might get the New England crowd saying, hey, look, either rookie, he's struggling, let's see what you can do. You know, be patient with him instead of throwing them out there week one and it's like, this guy's a bumb he's no good, he can't get it done. So I think that's what you're thinking. But I think the Patriots, in my opinion, made their first rookie mistake last week, and it's a rookie head coach to rookie gm Drake May should have played it a lot more last week and should have played a lot lot more, and then this week he obviously was out there for a while. But there's no reason for Bailey's appy to be getting reps right now. Those should be all Drake May's.
Okay, what did you think of Drake May the prospect?
I didn't like him.
I'm not gonna sit here and say I didn't like him. I had for me, I was Jaden Daniels one, and then I was you know, obviously the Bears was with you know, Caleb was number two, and then I had Drake three. I had Pennix four, and I had just lost i'll think of it, JJ McCartney five, and then I had bo nixt six. So I had Drake May three, and I thought that, you know, the arm strength, the arm talent. I thought the athleticism was really good. So I thought that was certainly potential. And as you guys said, you know, it wasn't like New England had.
The choice of the first two.
I think that was pretty much rotten in Stone. But I think it's here. Uh you know, who knows when it's all said and done, you know which guy's going to be the best, which guy's going to be a bust. We all know that they're all not going to be stars. But uh, you know, it's just a it's a frustrating spot because when you look at the Patriots, a place that people used to want to go so they could at least get a championship, even though they did enjoyed playing there. Now the Patriots have kind of become the Detroit Lions like no one really wants to go.
Which is amazing, it really is. What do you think of Alex van Pelt in terms of development? And I bring it up because I think the fan looks at just the player and expects the player to perform, and then you know, those of us in sports media we sit there and go like, well, he doesn't have any wide receivers to throw to, you know. But I believe that a good portion of a guy's development is who you surround him and who you support him with the other court of the veteran quarterback right as well as who his offensive coordinator, quarterback coach is. How does Alex van Pelt feel to you fitting with drag May?
I think it should be a good fit because he's worked with more of this type the size of quarterback you know where you know, Jane Daniel steels perfect for Cliff Pillingsbury because that's kind of the skill set he loves, and I think for Van Pelt Drake May. And I think that's what drew the Patriots to Drake May is I think Alex Pelt works with you know, a bigger bodied, you know pocket you know, certainly an athlete, but a pocket thrower, and I think that's why that made sense to me. I've been on staffs with Alex man Pelp. I think he's a very smart coach. I saw him. I actually started my career with the Chiefs when he was a backup in Kansas City and their coach Schttenheimer and Paul Hackett and Mike McCarthy was there as a quality control coach. So he's been around a lot of football for a long time. I think he's very smart. I think he's very relatable. I think those are all good things. I think it's more of what you're saying. I think it's this team's been rebuilding now for you know, four years, and if they really still don't have a great offensive line, they don't have a great wide receiver room. Even though I think Polk is going to be a good player, the running back is a good player, but defensive coordinators don't go, oh boy, what are we going to do this week? And so I think the problem is the Patriots just don't have a great roster and it just got worse by trading away Matt Judon. So I think that this is just a team that's, you know, kind of set to struggle and I think it's very freshing for an organization that's so used to twenty years of just rolling out of bed and being a champion.
I think we all feel bad for JJ McCarthy in losing the sea, but how does Minnesota handle it? And is it as bad as maybe it would read on the surface.
Yeah, you know, it's certainly disappointing. You know, the odds of him coming back are very slim. You still can hold out a little hope, but the reality is you want to make sure he's going to fully heal. You know, they've been very positive about Sam Donald. We will see what Sam Donald can do in the system. You know, it's very positive to see what JJ did in his opportunity. That was very encouraging in terms of pushing the ball down the field and making good decisions for the most part.
So it's it's certainly a blow.
To this team. I don't feel like Sam Donald's gonna, you know, come in and pull the Kurt Warner. Trent Green goes down and Kurt Warner comes in and while we've got a championship, I think he's really cushes Minnesota in the short term. But you know, it's one year you know, it's it's certainly a hard thing to have to deal with the watcher quarterback not play.
Uh.
And that's why every day after practice I went and save the athletic trainer and not to head coach to see who's healthy who's not. But you know, I don't have anything good to say because this is such a frustrated injury from a young player. And that just shows you why NFL owners continue in every CBA to fight against guaranteed contracts because things like this happened.
Okay, hear me out. Could it be good for Sam Donald that he doesn't have to worry about JJ McCarthy looking over his shoulder?
Yeah, I mean I think I think Sam Donald knows JJ was going to look over shoulder. Do I think Sam's going to play that much better? I think it's kind of what you guys just talked about with as Sam pel this is a really nice system and it's a good system, and so I think Sam Donald's probably excited about just being in the system and now saying I am the starter and not having.
To think about it. So you have to actually put that.
Into the mindset that Sam realizes this is his last golden ticket and if he doesn't cash it in, he's going to become a forever backup or however long he wants to play. And so yeah, I guess I would say from a mental standpoint, you know you're the starter, you know you're the guy, and it's your season to see what you can do as a quarterback in the National FOOTBA.
Leagueah okay, and look I'm and you know on my show, Oh you join us and I don't. I don't know if we've discussed this, but Dan and I have talked a bunch about this. I'm still a holder of stockholder in Sam Donald.
You actually tried to convince Mark last season that he should play over party. I remember that vividly.
I did, I did you know? And I just did. I again, I'm just a buyer and I do understand that. And I think one of the things that happens, and I've known it happens as a player and as a broadcaster, but now as a coach as well as like, there does come a point where guys are so beaten down mentally they lose that confidence, they lose that swagger. It's not sometimes even about the talent, even though they have, uh, they have all the weaponry at their disposal, and he has all the experience in the world, but just the years have worn out, worn out, worn him out. But I guess that's my question to you. I he has a quarterback as his head coach. He has a system. This is not his first year in the system. He was in the same system in San Francisco last year. He's got two really good wide receivers and with Aaron Jones, he's got talented two way running back as well. Like, this is a pretty good setup. Do you think he even has it in him?
You know what? I think what you brought up with it.
You know, obviously with Kevin O'Connell's offense, and to your point, being with Shanahan last year, being very comfortable and fluid to just jump into Minnesota and feel very because.
All those reps he took. Yeah, he didn't get.
To throw the ball a ton during the regular season last year, but he took a ton of reps in practice. And now he's had an whole entire offseason to say, I already know the play call, I know this book. It should give him every chance. Is you're gonna find out.
Right, it's going to be like because I do think the roster.
Offensively, you know, once they get Hockinson back, is really really good, you know, and hopefully Addison, you know, is gets everything on track, not just off in the field, but off the field. He needs to get everything together. But you know, they have two good receivers, they have an elite tight end obviously, and they've got the running game that you talked about. It should be there. I think the offensive line is good too, and so the whole piece should be there. Offensively, they should be good enough to show. Is Sam Donald a guy that can you know, two or three x interceptions to touchdowns? Can he actually do that in his in his game? And being does he throws thirty touchdowns but you know only ten interceptions. Can Sam Donald be that kind of guy? That's what we all have to see because the reality is that up to this point, it doesn't. I just keep saying he's good, he's quality, solid, but he's just never thrown for twenty touchdowns in his life, and he's got way too many interceptions in his career and so I've just never seen it. But I think, like I said, this is his you know, Willie walk on the chocolate Factory this is his golden ticket.
He's got to catch it in.
I'm not as optimistic.
What does Russell Wilson have to do this weekend if you're a Steeler fan?
Nothing, meaning like, I'm not expecting much and don't need anything from me. He's the starting quarterback of this team. I just wanted to be helping, you know, so he can go out there and have a driver to whatever coach Tomlins and omar Con what they decide to do with how they want to play him. But it's more about getting through the game and being healthy. I think that's the most important thing. Because he's a Steelers quarterback.
Who's the team who everybody in the league is talking about, but we're not talking about, like right we we get caught up in the It's like Sugar, you know, like the Cowboys and their drama is like Sugar and the son Reddick And this kind of weird situation is kind of like Sugar. Who's the team that people in the NFL are talking about? And you've been doing this so long, like you know, it's really good?
Is well?
And I think there's no I don't think there's a Houston dark horse team that's just gonna surprise you and come out out.
Of the woodwork like we saw last year. I don't feel like that's that.
But there is every but there is every year.
Yeah, but I don't think there's gonna be in my personal opinion, like I don't see the Carolina Panthers making some enormous run. I don't think Jacksonville is something going to go to fourteen and three or thirteen and four. You know, and when you look at the other teams around the league, I would say this if you had to pick one team that you know, there's a lot of momentum behind and I think what just happened in Minnesota helped it. We all think the Packers are interesting. It's just such a young team. It's going to be fun to watch what they can do. And there's you know, with Dantavian Wicks, continue to develop, what the other receivers they have, the young tight ends. It's just a team that everybody's gonna like want to hitch the wagon too. I think the league's looking at like I wish I had that problem. I know the Patriots look at it and go I wish I had that. You know, those that skill set of guys I don't think that's a big surprise. Maybe the whisper team could be the Arizona Cardinals that people just don't even care. If people have written off Kyler Murray, I don't think they understand the impact that we're going to see with Marvin Harrison Junior. I think Trey McBride is an elite tight end that people don't realize quite yet either. I would say Arizona might be that team that's like, wow, I did not see that coming.
Would you give Colin Kaepernick a workout at this point in his career.
No, not anymore. It's just it's been so long. It has nothing to do with anything other than it's just been so long, and he can pick up a football and all those things. But I mean we're what is it five six years now since he's played in the National Football Healy.
Sixteen was the last.
Twenty thirteen was the last time he was good.
I mean twenty sixteen, Yeah, twenty sixteen was when he played Dougsas twenty thirteen when he was good.
Yeah. No, I mean no, you know, I know Tarball was talking about you know, not even on the coaching staff, So I mean, you know that train is run. He can sit there and say I'd like to play or things like that, but the reality is, you know, it's just been too too long. You know, his body can be in football or a decent shape, but it's not going to be ready for the pounding of the National Football League because he hasn't been able to be hit forever.
Well.
The other part to it is like even the coaching staff thing, like if you're not there in training camp, like and you know, and somebody offers you a job, you don't immediately say I want to come, Like then what are we doing here? Like it's not really it's not really good discussion. So so anyway, Mark, have a great weekend. Can't wait to have your insight on my show. He's Mark Dominic, a long time front office scout, of course, former gentle manager of the tamp Buccaneers. Join us on the Dan Patrick Show. You're the best, appreciate join us.
Thanks you having guys, you're the weekend.
You're the game you too, Yeah, I mean everybody everybody's playing. Everybody's playing, so you can find out about all of these teams. I'm Doug Golliby. He's Dan Byer in for Dan The Dan Nettes coming up next to The Dan Patrick Show. You want to hear what the new college football traditions we are proposing are next.
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Doug Golly, Dan Patrick, Gottley, Dan byer in for Dan and the Dan Nets, You're and The Dan Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio. So I just kind of real organic way in which we plan on building this segment. Was this yesterday on my show and Dan's part of my show every day here on Fox Sports Radio from was it three to five eastern noon to two Pacific? Really hard when you're living in central time zone. You flip the in your brain sometimes. And yesterday he filled in for Cavino and Rich and so on my show, we did we drafted our favorite college football traditions and then Dan, you were doing something a little bit something different yesterday on Cavino and Ritch. Correct.
Yes, yeah, we did teams that were ones relevant that no longer are right.
So it's all because look, lots of people like college football that are on Fox Sports Radio. I think obviously Brady LeVar Colin. You me, Dan, we'd love college football, like if you love it right. You're from Wisconsin but a huge Ohio State football fan. Obviously I'm from California, but I went a ton of UCLA games at the Rose Bowl. My sister was a cheerleader growing up, and then you know, going to Notre Dame, going to Oaklhoma State, and then in my world of cover in sports, I just love going to college football games, love best so and once you experienced these traditions, they're awesome. But you want to put a little twist on the best traditions in college Yeah, I think that we know some of the great traditions in college football. I think just Jason, you, Doug myself can name some of the great traditions that we've gotten college football. I would say Joel, but he would bring up Michigan, and nobody wants to hear about Michigan. But like jump around right, dotting the I some great.
Ralphie anything I'm missing USC. How about we come up with some new traditions for school new tradition. Yes, this is more of like a traditional game. Some teams play for trophies Apple Cup, Washington and Washington State. How about the winner goes to the Big Ten for that next season, Like, let's just throw a bone to the Koogs and the winner of that game stays in the Big Ten, loser gets knocked out. It's our own version of relegation. Anybody down with that?
I like the idea of relegation? So what happened? Can we do that with the with the Syhawk as well? Like Winter, the Sihawk goes to the Big Ten, loser of the Syhawk goes to the Big twelve.
Sure? Yeah, there's a lot of different variations. I've always felt Wisconsin and Michigan should play for the UP, and we're gonna have John Morosi coming up, but then you have Michigan State kind of you know, confusing things.
Does everybody do you guys know what the UP actually is? Because I've actually been to the UP four times now. It's pretty pretty awesome.
It is amazing. I'm sorry, Okay, Joel does for sure, Yeah, and I think Jason does as well.
What do you think the percentage of Americans know what the UP is? No way way too high, way too high way, way too high I can just again, I can tell you from I mean people in Wisconsin and Michigan and maybe Minnesota. But outside of that, there's not a lot of people that know what the up if you say, hey, you know the up is or the Upper Peninsula, even if you say Upper peninsus of Michigan, like they don't understand. No, I mean you've seen some of those like tiktoks and stuff on. People's not knowing basic geography. That's not even basic geography that's slightly advanced. We're like, I.
Don't even know. I know that there are some people in this building that did not know what the UP was.
Case in point, yes, I don't. I think it's a blow fifty percent higher than twenty five. Twenty five is right about the number.
Re quite a game, I'll tell you that much. Yeah, quite this showdown to the Badgers and Wolverines. But again, the spartans kind of you.
Know, have you ever been to Mackinaw Island.
Oh, yeah, bunch was there about well, I shouldn't say a bunch. We went a bunch when I was a kid, and then Lisa and I went back about seven years ago, stayed a nine or two on the island. Yeah, great stuff.
Okay, so what's the Nutrit. Okay, so you got right. Now you have.
Yeah play in the Apple Cup, but the winner stays in the Big ten.
Okay, can happen. But cool tradition nonetheless, right because like watching is like now we're not playing that game everever. Ever, last thing we want to do is be relegated to whatever conference status Washington states in Like I think that, Like again, if we were, it wouldn't happen with the Syhawk, but at least the falloff is not complete in obscurity exactly.
Jason Stewart, My favorite two traditions is a Sooner schooner and Ralphie the Buffalo, just because there's always a chance that someone falls off or gets run over it, yes, and I always like watching it to see if that's going to happen. I need him to up the game. So anyone named a tiger or a wildcat, that's a lot of teams out there up the game. I want somebody to come out riding a tiger, just writing would that work?
What if here's one we actually had the mascots fight right like you actually had If you have a tiger and they have a buffalo, and the tiger and the buffalo get five minutes to go at it, and you know little Carnigh and you can't fag him for a week beforehand.
Maybe better than some Colorado games this season. How about this? We know Clemson's tradition. They touch Howard's rock and they run down the hill. Sure, if they lose, they're forced to run back up it his punishment backwards. Yes, it's really nice to run down and catch that air as you're running onto the you lose at home, you actually have to run back up that hill like that one. That's a good reverse one, very very good one. You a fan of dotting the eye, Doug?
Yeah, Ohio State.
How about North Carolina? The band there spells out in Carolina, but the honor of dotting the inn and the abbreviation of North goes to a former student athlete who took a fake class over that twenty year period.
I have one though. One thing is South Carolina likes to go by Carolina as well. Just here's a simple one. Whoever wins between North and South Carolina gets to gets to call themselves Carolina for the year, right because South Carolina, by the way, also likes to go by USSE and no one calls them USC outside of South Carolina.
And they're in Columbia.
Yeah, maybe they just a lot of USC every year and the winter gets to be called USC. If they don't beat North Carolina, then they can't be called Carolina any other ones.
I want any mascot with the name of Knights to actually do a joust before the game, an actual joust.
You gotta get there for the joust. Yeah, this is the Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Trade. These are the new traditions. What was the point Jim Harball was bringing up. I wait to hear it next to The Dan Patrick Show.