Dan reacts to Detroit Lions QB Jared Goff having a near perfect night and the obvious issues for the Miami Dolphins. And he replays a portion of his last interview with Pete Rose and says it would be hypocritical to put him in the Hall of Fame now.
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And we have a couple of possibilities for us.
Oh okay, we'll get to that coming up in a moment. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock. That's our streaming partner. Thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates now numbering over four hundred cities, including San Francisco eight seven seven three DP. Show operator Tyler is sitting by. Take your phone calls there. Coming up a little bit, we'll talk to Herm Edwards. Herm coached Jaden Daniels for most of his college career at Arizona Stage, so Herm will join us and talk about the Commanders and they have found their franchise quarterback. We'll recap the games from last night as well. The Miami Dolphins have some big, big issues there. The Titans roll them thirty one to twelve, and the Lions outgunned the Seahawks forty two twenty nine. Jared Goff had about as good a game as you could possibly have and eighteen for eighteen caught a pass and threw two touchdown passes as well. Also a little later on the greatest catcher ever, Johnny Bench will stop by as we look back on the career of Pete Rose, who passed away yesterday at the age of eighty three. We'll also bring back I did many interviews with Pete the last thirty five years, and there was a couple moments where he did admit to me that he had never admitted before that he did bet on the Reds when he was managing them. We'll talk about that. I also asked him if he thought he was going to go into the Hall of Fame posthumously, So some comments prior interviews with Pete Rose have those coming up. All right, Todd poll question for the first hour is going to be what all right? Timely off of a last night in the NFC.
I would take the Lions the field?
Hm, Well, I have the Lions winning the Super Bowl, so I'm gonna say I'll take the Lions. But would anybody else take the Lions over the field? Paulie Quick with the hand going.
Up, Yeah, I felt good about them in August. I feel better now, more so because the field seems weaker, the Niners seem vulnerable, the NFC South seems lightly threatening, the Vikings seem maybe real, and I don't think the Cowboys or Eagles are as good as they were expected to be.
Okay, is that fair? Yeah? Yeah, yes, Hunt, I'm gonna play the odds and take the field. Okay, Well, thank you, Marvin. You are Niner fans, so I'm gonna guess you're gonna stay with the Niners. I am.
I'll stay with the field for now.
Okay, that's fair enough. Any other poll questions there we do? Would you say Jared gop had a perfect game last night?
Yes, he completed all his passes through FILI three hundred drives and two touchoess on quarter TD or.
Not quite Well, it's not listed as a perfect game even though he didn't have an incompletion. So I mean, once again, I don't get into QBR. I think it's silly. But Paulie, what was Jared Goff's final ranking rating last night? Okay?
Weirdly with no incompletions and no interceptions, he did not have a perfect quarterback rating, which is one fifty eight point three. His was one fifty five point eight, So that means what was the negative that took him away from that? Yes, I could there was no more completions to have. Yes, right, and someone else a couple of weeks ago had a perfect thing without had a perfect quarterback rating without being perfect from passing completions.
Well, golf goes eighteen for eighteen two ninety two to two touchdowns. He joins Kurt Orner, and let me see that's those are the only quarterbacks to throw at least ten passes in a game without an ink completion or interception. I didn't realize that. I would have thought that there would have been a few more quarterbacks to do that. But eighteen for eighteen two ninety two two touchdown passes, and he caught a touchdown pass as well. Yes, Paul, you know, just last week we had this discussion and we suggested that a perfect game for a quarterback is when every drive they lead leads into scoring. I think Jayden Daniels had one of those. Yeah for the Commanders. Yeah, should that be a perfect game. I don't like QBR right, because one fifty eight point three doesn't sound perfect to me. How about one hundred, one hundred sounds perfect, not one fifty eight point three.
But if your kid came home from school ace by test, I got a one to fifty eight point three.
Or I got a fifty eight point three, I nailed it. Uh, No, you didn't. There's a curve. Yeah.
Uh.
And then you know the Titans Dolphins game. That was tough. That's tough to watch. The situation the Dolphins quarterback, it is bad and getting worse. And once again I said this before, it's really inexcusable if you are going to take a risk onto a tongue of iloa, and I've said all along it was a risk. You're a playoff team. You were going to go all in on your quarterback. But you must have a legitimate, decent quarterback who can run your system. You have to have a backup quarterback. You can't be getting somebody off a practice squad, and that's what they've done. We don't know if two is going to play, if he's going to play, when he's going to play, how well he's going to play, And we're going to revisit this topic again if he does play again. There's no surprises here. The only surprise. Is it's malpractice to not have a legitimate backup quarterback because to me, it was never a question of if he suffers a concussion, it's when he suffers another concussion. And here they are. There is no offense whatsoever, Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddle missing an action. Now that doesn't let the defense off the hook. But still this is a team that was supposed to compete for a playoff spot. Again and with Mike McDaniel and you're running you know his offense, and two is there getting the ball out quickly, not you know, seven step drops or deep in shotgun where he is more susceptible to getting hit. They had something and maybe Tua does come back, but when you watch the backups, it is not pretty yues Marvin.
Does anybody want to win the AFC East? It seems like it's open and nobody wants to take advantage.
Yeah. Yeah, Well the Patriots aren't going to, and Miami probably not going to. The Jets might default, might get in as a wild card the way they're playing or not playing. And then the Buffalo Bills. We were ready to crown them the previous week, and then they go into Baltimore, and all of a sudden, you're like, what if I said Baltimore or the field in the AFCs, anybody all in. I might be during the regular season, but it's the postseason where that's when they start to stray from the offense that will get them into the postseason. I've been burned. I've been burned by them. I've been burned by the Chargers before, and it's like, nope, nope, nope, nope. I also now, even in a loss, Seattle and Gino Smith played really well. That's one of those you know what, it's a good loss. They played well. The perception of that was pretty impressive, and Geno looked good. They got a good offense. And I've been higher on Seattle than most people. I think they're a good team. I think they're a playoff team. But that that game last night, you know, it was all Detroit with their offense. But that's where you have to at least acknowledge that Detroit's defense that was a little bit surprising and off night is they like to say it may not be indicative of what kind of defense they have the rest of the year. It was just an off night. I don't know how that works where you have a just an off night. Yeah, Pauli.
I was nerding out with the running backs last night. Kenneth Walker the thirties, he's dropping the hammer. Jamir Gibbs is always fun. And Montgomery for the Lions. The there's a two deep teams.
Yeah, both.
I mean DK Metcalf kind of it felt like last year was he cooled off a little bit. He's he's coming back this year.
Heart.
Yeah, he's just supposed to be better. Like it if you see him and he's got speed, he's got sigh. I mean, he's got everything. He's supposed to be better. He should be like tall Lewens was. He should be that kind of receiver where you're just like nobody, nobody can touch this guy or Megatron. He should be that impactful. I just don't know when you talk about great receivers that his name comes up on the first page.
Yeah, Pauline, Marvin and I are working a player comp for DK Metcalf, an NBA player. When you look at them physically, you say, he should be the best player in the NBA or NFL. He was in the league a couple of years ago. He is still playing basketball.
That Dwight Howard. Yeah, is that fair? Yes, But in fairness to Dwight Howard, he did win a few defensive Player of the Year awards. He was never good enough. He was not an offensive weapon. He was not that's nice. Yes, I'm trying to be nice with Dwight.
Uh.
Yes, I think he's I think he's on Dancing with the Stars. Correct, Yes he is. Okay, Yeah, now he's still survived, like he's still in Dancing with the Stars.
I think he is.
Yeah, I don't know who's tracking this. Fritzy tracks the Bachelor, but I don't I don't tak fits and pieces.
I took a picture. I didn't see him actually dancing. I have watched him Dance with the Stars, but with that physique, he looks like someone that can maybe a last few rounds.
Thank you to I don't know what that has to do with Yes, the DK Metcalf comp I know, but I don't think it matters.
I had the cast of Dancing with the Stars. There's a lot of there's some sports people in there. I got Danny Amandola High Motor Dola. Yeah, yeah, Dwight Howard's in it.
Yeah, there's a bunch of people.
I don't know, it's more on me than them, but they don't.
Oh, Stephen Netarosik, the gymnast, the kid with the glass ner, Yeah, the pome you said that pomohorse? Yeah, God, good friend, max in it out all right. And Alona Maher the rugby player. Oh yah, well you give her a bad score. Yeah, I would just plow right through and give you a farm shudges there. Right, that's it. But I think there's a woman on there was on there, Anna Delvi, yes, now, there was a documentary on her or a movie based on her. And uh Ruthie from Ozar, Yes, place her.
She's the one who pretended to be a socialite and rich.
Socialite, yes, yes, and went to prison.
So she is maximizing her fake fame.
Well, it's it's shameful that they reached out to bring her in for that. I mean, you know, she's a criminal and uh so she's out. I think she still has to wear that ankle bracelet. She had to tango sometimes.
It takes two to five to tangohoa. Okay, okay, I'm going to give you a bluepet on that one. Yeah, Anna delve she had that weird Delivery. I'm anna delve.
Yeah, I saw that show. Yeah, and Ruthie plays her in the movie. Yes, Tom, how.
Far down the list you have to go when you're in a meeting on the show where you get to that person.
Well, many people said no to get to you got to keep her at least in the show. If you're going to have her there, if you want the publicity, then keep her in there. But yeah, I think she got kicked to the curve. And then she was asked, you know what, what is she going to remember about this experience and she said nothing. So yes, yes, Marvin.
Speaking of reality TV shows, you you wanted to fire me because of this once. So I watched The Mask Singer and the first uh, the first time, I.
Didn't want to fire you. I don't think because you watched it.
I think, well you talked about me.
I did. I'm disappointed in you that you watched The Mask Singer is maybe the worst show on TV. Take away. Maybe it's just it's.
It's I saw the first elimination and.
That was when John Elway was that's a famous person though, that's actually pretty impressive. Yes, I was disappointed in John Singer, like John, Are you slumming it? But Okay, the thing that bothers me more than anything is the judges and the names they throw out that they think the mask singer might be. It's I think it's Barack Obama. I think it's uh. Throw out any kind of name, you know, and it's never that person. Could it be Taylor Swift? Could it be Kim Jong Unn? Could it be?
I mean it could, yeah, for sure?
It's always Is it Jamie Fox? It sounded like Jamie Fox Yah took off the mask. It's Ashy Larry from Chappelle Show.
Actors, It's Rudy Juliani, It's Jimmy Carter. I don't think so. He just turned to one hundreds, not behind that sneak gun. He's in hospice right now. It's no chance he would, but he might be watching it. I don't know. Okay, we didn't solve anything there, but we had fun though, Yeah we did. And that's what we try to do for three hours here. All right, We'll settle on a poll question, phone calls will get to those, Herm Edwards will recap what we saw last night and give us more insights into Jaden Daniels. His former quarterback Arizona State, Johnny Bench will join his final hour of the show. As we remember Pete Rose, We'll bring back a clip from when Pete was on the show and I asked him about getting into the Hall of Fame posthumously. That's coming up next year.
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Play of the day coming up. More phone calls from you eight seven to seven to three. DP show email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at dpshow. Pete Rose, passing away at the age of eighty three is former teammate Johnny Bench. A little bit later on. Growing up in Cincinnati, we all wanted to wear number fourteen. We all were sliding head first. We wanted to have the same haircut as Pete Rose. So he certainly had an impact on me. My first autograph was from Pete Rose, and he wasn't charging back then, but I have had had many many interviews with him, interactions with him. He said a lot of things to me on my radio show, and when I first got to ESPN was nineteen eighty nine and I left CNN, went to ESPN, and then a few months later I'm on the eleven o'clock Sports Center with Bob Lee, one of the great sports journalists in history. So I come in and the Pete Rose situations unfolding right in front of me. Now, I used to gamble and one of my bookies used to take bets from Pete Rose. So I say to Bob Lee, Bob, I got information here, and I'll put that coverage up against any network of what we did covering Pete Rose in large part because of Bob. But I did have a connection and I knew exactly what was going on with his betting. Now, I never found out if he bet while he was a player on the Reds against the Reds. And I know that there's this outpouring of sympathy and sentiment for Pete Rose to be in the Hall of Fame. Nothing has changed from yesterday today to a week ago with Pete Rose. It's just sentiment here to get him in the Hall of Fame. And what I like to see Pete in the Hall of Fame. It's a museum. If you want to tell the story of baseball. Then do it that way, because I know that there'll be a lot of people old schools say, well, he's staying the game, embarrassed the game. He never really apologized until he was writing a book. I mean, there's so many angles to this, and I don't want this to take over the show because there's nothing new that I can add to this that I haven't already told you about. Whether he told me that he only bet on the Reds to win, he had never said that before. So every game he was betting on them to win, and it was a game that he was managing. I did wonder about this too. Say, Pete didn't manage until the sixth year he got out of baseball. He retires five year window, he goes into the Hall of Fame, first ballot, the Reds bringing back and they want him to manage. Would Baseball take him out of the Hall of Fame? And understand this, The Hall of Fame is different, separate from Major League Baseball. This is owned and operated separately. Now do they fall in line with Major League Baseball? They do, but they do it by choice. If the Hall of Fame said we want Pete on the ballot, he could be on the ballot. Jeff Idelson for years has said that to us, he runs the Hall of Fame if they chose to do that. Now, once again, it's the Baseball Hall of Fame, it's not the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame. But if they wanted him on the ballot, they could put him on the ballot. But all I've ever said is, it's like he cheated in a school. I can't take away his undergraduate degree. And he was summa cum laude when he was you know, undergrad, and then he became a manager, and then he's betting on baseball. And if you look at the wording here of you know, what they put out as far as you know, Pete's suspension. And I think people have this misunderstood on you know, it's not a lifetime ban, but that's the way it's praised. It's, you know, it's an employment ban. He he can't work in baseball. He could never work in baseball. And that's what people, I think forgot. And if you look at what you know, the rule that he broke any player, umpire, or club, or league official or employee who shall bet any some whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the better has a duty to perform, shall be declared permanently ineligible. So it's not a lifetime ban. This is permanently ineligible from working in baseball. That's that's really the punishment here. And then you have people who are saying, well, it's a lifetime ban, his life is over. Is the ban over? Well, it wasn't a lifetime ban. It was permanently ineligible from holding a job in Major League Baseball. I want to bring back a clip that I had with Pete Rose. And you know, once again, we talked about a variety of things, but I did ask him about maybe getting into the Hall of Fame posthumously.
You know, they make one thing clear that if I ever get an opportunity to go to the Hall team, I'd be the happiest guy in the world.
Do you think it will happen before? You know, I don't know.
I still haven't given up on Bud Seewig. And I know you know this as well as I. I mean, whenever whenever someone asked Budd Celia about Pete Rose, he says, well, we're thinking about it, you know, I mean, if you're not going to give me an opportunity, But please just tell me, and and and you won't. You won't bothering. I won't send him letters. No one from my side will bothering. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Would you rather know now that you'll never get into the Hall of Fame as opposed to that possibility of getting into the Hall of fame?
Well, it ain't going to help me a damn bit if I'm dead. I mean, the hall of fame for your family and your friends anyway. But you know, like it was sad. I think the way they handled Ron Santo. Do they put him in?
That broke my heart?
Yeah?
I think.
I think in baseball, the more Hall of famers you have walking around, especially tomorrow, more hall of famers you have walking around talking to people, the better off your sport is. And you know, I'm not going to break the rules again. I mean people ought to know that. I mean, you know I've been suspended twenty three years. It cost me a lot. It cost me a lot. You know, you could suspend these guys making twenty me and for a long time and to lose as much as I did. Now, I'm not whining now, I'm just telling you the facts of the situation. And you know one thing I never did, Dan, and you'll agree with this. I never never cheated to people when I played the game of baseball. Okay, regardless of what I did, I always played my ass off when I played the game of baseball. I always put the fans first. I understood the importance of the fans, how important the fans worked to the game. And I guess that's somewhat the reason I played the way I did. And I think I influenced my teammates. And you don't have bad things said about me to my teammates. I'm not one of these guys that's been in a bar fight, run red lights, beat somebody up. I mean, you don't ever read it. The only thing you ever read about me is I gambled, and nothing else. And if you have, I don't know what it would be. So you know, I made a mistake. I made a big mistake, A big mistake, a huge mistake. And when Giamonti told me to to reconfigure my life, I misunderstood him. I thought when he said reconfigure in my life, that meant no more illegal gaming, which I don't do. Be very close to people you associate with, which I do, but what he meant, and it took me years to understand this. Take responsibility for what I did. And I did take responsibility for it. But there's still people that just won't let it go away. We're talking about something. Man, it happened. I was suspended in nineteen eighty nine, eighty nine. You know it's time to get over it.
I think that's from July twenty fifth, twenty thirteen. It took Pete a long time to say he was sorry or show any contrition, and I know that that bothered the previous commissioner, Bud Selik, and we had had public conversations on my radio show, We had private conversations about Pete Rose, and it just became a story that they wanted to go away. But every year at Cooperstown, Pete would be their signing autographs. Me while you would have other people having their day at Cooperstown, but Pete would sign on autographs. Nobody has benefited more from not being in the Hall of Fame than Pete Rose, because now he became more of an attraction now that there was the well, let's root for Pete to get into the Hall of fame a cause if you will. And I've always said that in what Pete said there, I never got cheated ever when I went to see Pete Rose play, never and he won more games than anybody. We know all of the stats. But I think Pete thought that was enough that there would be an overwhelming sentiment of one of the great players of all time. He's got to be in the Hall of Fame. Well he doesn't. And now it would be hypocritical if you put him into the Hall of Fame now, because why are you putting him in now? Nothing's changed unless you're saying we punished him. Now for his family's sake or baseball's sake, we're going to put him in the Hall of Fame. If you want to put the steroid guys in there, put it in. Put him in. Even if you do that, maybe you don't let them have their day where they get give a speech. You're in the Hall of Fame. There is no speech. We want to tell the story of baseball. Fine, but Pete Rose. Pete is his own worst nightmare, his own worst enemy. What made him great is what kept him out of the Hall of Fame. He could just never say sorry, what can I do to give back to baseball? And I remember having a conversation with Commissioner Seely, and I brought up the idea of having Pete go through the minor leagues and just tell the players what he sacrificed, what he lost, and do it on his own dime, and just go around and tell people this is a cautionary tale. You can have everything and you can lose it all. And he was really really popular, not just baseball, not sports popular. Pete was popular and that might have resonated with some people, and it would certainly resonate with Major League Baseball. But Pete couldn't come to grips with that. And then he thought, hey, I'm betting on my team to win. Well, you'd still manipulate the lineup. It's Pete needed to compete. You can't spell compete without Pete. Michael Jordan same way. They're wired that way that they have to have something going on. There has to be something there. And Pete wasn't a good gambler. My bookie would say, you know, because I'd say, who's Pete betting on? Now? There was a main bookie in Cincinnati, Indian Hills, And then my Bookie was in my hometown and then he would get bets laid off to him. If you're into gambling, then you know what I'm talking about. Don't want to get into the weeds too much. So I was aware. I was there in eighty six and it was postseason. Pete was there and he might have been working for somebody, but I remember he said to Bob Costas and me, who do you like today? It was Mets Astros. When somebody says who do you like today? That's gambling, who do you like? And I know it. I know the code because people still ask me who do you like? I go, no, no, don't bet on it. And so Pete was probably betting on the Astros and the Mets, and if Mike Scott was pitching, he was probably betting on my Scott to beat the Mets. But you can't put him in the Hall of Fame now because it's hypocritical. There was the opportunity. I was hoping that there would be something that was there. But if you open the door, are you opening the door? Then for everybody. Pete didn't cheat the game in the sense of what the steroid guys did. He broke a posted rule. It's right there there. It's the Cardinal rule. It's right there. Every clubhouse has it. There's nothing in there that says don't use steroids, but it tells you do not bet on baseball, and Pete did it. But Pete thought he was bigger than the game, and he found out that he wasn't. But great memories, big red Machine, best best hitting lineup certainly in National League history, and a lot of great memories. And Johnny Benchill join us coming up a little bit later on to talk about Pete but passing away at the age of eighty three. You know who I felt really sad for was to Kembe Mtumbo's family because he passes away. And then hours later it's announced that Pete Rose passed away, and it made me think about Farah Fawcett was really really famous Charlie's Angels. She passes away, and then hours later Michael Jackson passes away, and the coverage changed and went right to Michael Jackson, just like Pete Rose and to Kembay Mutumbo is one of the most giving people, not just athletes, I've ever encountered. He wanted to help people in an Africa. He wanted to be able to be a good will ambassador for the NBA, and when he got out of the game, he wanted to know how to give back. And David Stern would talk to me about certain players, and he always loved to kembe because he said he wants to give he wants to have a bigger impact, and I always appreciated that. So he passes away and then hours later it's Pete Rose, all right, let me take a break. We'll get phone calls coming up. Update the poll results and our play of the day. Next.
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To say, like a kid grown up in Chicago, there are certain athletes when you're a kid that you don't even have to really like sports and you'd know about them, whether it be like Mike Schmid or George Brett. But Pete Rose was a one seed. He was like Reggie Jackson or Roger Staubach where he had a presence. I can remember visiting Cincinnati and seeing people with Ross done. This is well after he left him was playing for Philly's. He seemed omnipresent in the city of Cincinnati. Yea, even after he's gone.
All Right, Todd, who would you take in the NFC?
The Lions of the field, the field seventy three percent?
I mean that's the smart move, absolutely. But I picked the lines to win the Super Bowl, So I'm not gonna give up on him. I thought maybe recency biased with what they did last night, that people might go, you know, Jared Goff's a little bit better than we thought. That's good offense. That's a fun offense there, all right, Andrew and Washington leads us off. Hi, Andrew, what's on your mind?
Oh, good morning, Dan, And that's thanks for taking my call. I'm considering the two legends that passed away yesterday. I kind of started getting into sports with my age when Pete became a villain, and so I kind of looked at him as the opposite of what the kim A Matembo was to basketball, where the Kimba couldn't have been a better global at basstard, like you said, to basketball, where Pete couldn't have been a bigger distraction to the history of baseball as far as what he did during the time that I paid attention to it, because they really villainized him. But looking back, I can see where his career was legendary. I had a question for you about Tyreek Hill and the Miami Dolphins going in that thing with Tuatungua Bailoa out. So our defense is more responsible for the non production of Tyreek or his lack of quarter back stability the reason for his lack of productivity this year? Which one do you think?
Well, I'm going to ask herm Edwards about that because Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wonnell both have been shut down. And thanks for the phone call. I mean, you're still Tyreek Hill. I should still be able to get you the ball or somebody should still be able to get you the ball. Like his over under with yards was I think fifty fifty three last night. I mean, they're they're throwing it to him, but they're overthrowing it. And I mean, this is this is a crossroads here. I had an NFL executive, former NFL executive, who said, if you bring this up on the show, just understand if the Dolphins were to trade Tyreek Hill, the salary cap hit would be pretty remarkable, like forty one million dollars or something like that. I didn't even think of that. But if you're the Dolphins, you were ready to win. Now, now Tua can come back, and you know they can still salvage this season. But could you see a scenario what if Kansas City said, hey, Rashi Rice is out for the year with a torn acl what would what would you need for us to take Tyreek Hill back? Now I think that's not gonna happen, but I know.
That's the greatest team ever.
Yeah, maybe DeVante Adams, but I can't imagine the Raiders would trade in the division to the Chiefs. I mean some of that. There's no receivers out there. That's why when you go, oh, they'll find somebody. You know, the Dolphins found their quarterback on a practice squad. It's not like they're just players out there on the side of the road with their finger out hitchhiking. Hey, look at that guy. I mean, unless it's Joe Flacco, and anybody could have had Joe Flacco. I mean, the Colts did the wise thing. You got a quarterback who can get banged up, and they brought in Joe Flacco and they're not even a contender. Yes, Mark, but.
If anybody can find somebody out of nowhere and turn them into someone, it's the Chiefs.
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, so they need a receiver or two, all right. Next hour, Herm Edwards will join us, a former coach who coached Jayden Daniels in college at Arizona State, and he'll I'll ask him about that. Why can't you get the ball to Tyreek Hill? Why can't they still be a dynamic offense there because you got Mike McDaniel, you know, the ultimate quarterback. Whisper. Johnny Bench will join us in the final hour of the program. So one hour in the books, two more to go. The Minister of Humor Fritzi Seaton's out today, Marvin Paully yours truly, and of course the brg's the back room guys.