Dan speaks on UConn Women's basketball coach Geno Auriemma becoming the all-time winningest coach in college basketball history. Dan also talks about the 2025 NFL Hall of Fame contenders and how he thinks Eli Manning is not a first ballot hall of famer.
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We did it, We did it. We made it to hour one on this Thursday, Dan and The Dan at Dan Patrick Show. Football tonight eight and two Steelers, two and eight Browns come on in stale while the Great Todd Fritz in the back row with Seaton, Marv Pauliers. Truly we'll check in with the Steelers coming up. Also, Joel Klatt will be on the call Indiana and Ohio State coming up this weekend. He will stop by as well. Stat of the Day has always brought to you by Paninia America. The official trading cards of the program eight seven seven three DP Show operator Tyler sitting by, He'll take your phone calls. First hour brought to you by Paninia America. Hottest Rookie's, biggest superstars, the old time greats. The only place to collect them all. Panini Trading Cards the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show, Instant classics, autograph cards, memorabilia cards, rare inserts and more. Start a continue collection now at Paniniamerica dot net. Once again, football coming up tonight. Big milestone for Gino Orient setting the collegiate win total at one thy two hundred and seventeen. We have our Cy Young Award winners. We'll run down all of that plus get ready for the big debate. Oh, it's coming, and it's going to be there for a little while. Is Eli manning a first ballot Hall of Fame? He's a semi finalist. They're twenty five semi finalist. So we'll talk about who is getting in, who should get in, and who's going to be kicked to the curb once again. That'll be coming up a little bit. All right, good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner. Thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country. iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio and our four hundred over four hundred affiliates around the country. I was a real man yesterday. I'm in Maine. So what did I do yesterday afternoon? How about you, guys? Guess what a real man does in May in the afternoon. Temperatures probably in the upper forties. It was overcast, and I was a man.
Yes, Paul, it's November, it's getting chilly. You were chopping some wood.
No, no, all the wood is chopped. Todd, what do you think I did yesterday being a man?
I think you were out in the cold fishing and then you cooked up something to eat off of that fishing.
Well, look, who knows what a real man is all about? Blop bloop. Yes, I was fly fishing yesterday, fly fishing for salmon and trout, and I'm still fishing for I didn't catch, but I was fishing yesterday, but I felt like a man out there.
Now you hold for compliments, Wow, look what you did?
All right?
I like it.
Less than four minutes in I had the over, But congratulations.
Was a little bit of like a brad pit river run through it feel and the wind in your hair, the waiters, you know, did you feel good out there?
Yeah?
I mean you felt like a man kind of, except for catching fish and looking good while trying to catch fish. I was kind of like Brad Pitt.
Yeah, Seeton, I think you're just getting towards the end of bear hunting season in Maine. I think that ends at the end of November, so you still got a couple of days left if you want to keep owing your manhood.
And we're starting bear at tax season. Yeah, bear tax season No. Twelfth, that's right.
That's right. Okay, here's the I didn't realize this, but I go to this park. It's woods, it's a you know, some kind of big area that you can go hiking. And somebody said, hey, you don't have orange on. You better get some orange on, and I go, I'm just walking through that. I mean, this is where families go and you bring your dog. And then they go, well, no, no, no, there are people who are hunting in this area for bear, whatever, deer, deer, And I said, wait a minute, so they could mistake me for He said, yes, you know I was wearing brown. I'm wearing a brown hoodie, and I'm thinking they see me, you know kind.
Of brownhood what do you have an antler hat on?
I might as well leaving hook Prince. I mean, I was going, oh my god. I thought he was joking. I thought their families walking through, and you know, they had somebody with a dog. And then I'm going, wait, there's people hunting in here. Says yeah, with bows, crossbows, and they can hit things from one hundred yards out. So the whole time I'm walking, I'm going, oh my god, do I make noise? Like I don't know how you walk to make it look like you're not a deer to somebody one hundred yards away. But that's the kind of manly things I was doing. And then came home, build a fire outside, had some keeper's heart, had a cigar, and I was all alone, just me, the moon and the stars. Yes, tot.
Is it a certain shade of orange? Tennessee, Syracuse? Something else?
Go annoy?
What kind of orange you have to get her?
Avoid? I think I should get Tennessee. I need the brightest orange possible. Checkerboard that just basic, Yeah, just something that says, don't shoot me. But hey, I'm learning. I'm learning on the job here in May. All right, poll question, Seaton, what are we gonna go with an hour one on this program?
I got many options for you. Do you want a Paul question or a Todd question.
I'm gonna go Todd because he came out of the gate strong, and let's see if we can keep the momentum going.
To do That's a Thursday if I'm not mistaken. So he's got lindsay he likes a Thursday.
Poll question. Let's see.
Uh, will tonight's divisional quote trap game result in a loss for the Steelers in Cleveland. Your options are yes, Pittsburgh slips up tonight versus the Browns, or no, the steel curtain closes on the dog pound tonight.
Okay, it could have been just yes or no, but I do that's not fun script. Yes, okay? Is it a trap game if everybody knows it's a trap game? If I say to the Steelers, hey, it's a trap game for the Browns, Hey, they know it's a trap game, is it still a trap game if they're overlooking the Cleveland Browns? Yes?
Paul Mike Tomlin was actually asked if this were a trap game, and he said, no, I'm aware of those. I've been doing this a while. So that was on Tuesday. It can't be a trap game if the coach addresses it on Tuesday.
Right, Okay, all right? What else do you have time?
We've got the now two and twelve Sixers will be just fine, relaxed the long season, ultimately make the postseason, but it's a first round exit for them, not make the playoffs altogether. Already calling it fourteen games in what?
Wow? Fourteen games? Will not your leader if your leader is what twenty three years of age? Tyrese Maxi calling out Joel and b Paul, Joey or is injured again, embiid as late for team activities. This doesn't bode well. He's not playing back to back games, and then one of your youngest players, your best player right now, is calling out joe llenb What could go wrong that hasn't already gone wrong? Feels like this is not playoff bound for Philadelphia? What else do you have?
How will Lebron James taking a break from social media affect your daily life? The choices are actually a lot more than you may realize, and I'd like to hear the answer to that a little bit.
But I'm confident I can work around it, So that's nice.
You can figure out a way around it, or surprisingly, my roles and responsibilities at home and work should remain relatively unchanged.
Yeah, I don't think it's going to affect me on a daily basis, but let's see. I mean it's early. He just decided that he was going to take a break from social media. Now I don't know what that means. How do you take a break from social media? Do you get rid of all of your social media threads?
There?
Or how people can respond to you? I'm not a social media person. Yes, Paul, I had two thoughts when I saw this story. I just air quoted.
By the way, why do you announce you're taking a break from social media? Because if you're taking a break from social media is to get less interaction and attention. You could do that by just taking a break from social media. However, I'm gonna call my shot here. Lebron James is about to announce a new partnership with some type of social media platform in the next two months. My guess is Lebron is a gigantic businessman. We'll take a break from different platforms that he's on and before Christmas will say I am now with blank whatever. The new hot one is that he owns ten percent.
All right, Okay, I don't know what it means to take a break from social media, and you're right, if you're taking a break, do you announce you're taking a break from social media? Yeah?
See, I think taking a break from social media is exactly like how you've lived your life right up until this point.
There's really no different than that. Okay, it's just I've taken a break from social media for well all my life. It's exactly right. That's exactly the point.
So it's like, oh, you just don't go on it anymore, and then it's like it's not there. Okay, took a break.
I'd like to announce that I'm going to join social media now if Lebron is not going to be part of stuff, build a void, bell the void. People just assume you have Facebook, Like they'll just go, well, you got Facebook, right, and I'll go, No, how old are you? I'll go, I guess old enough to know I don't need Facebook. You have instacute. You have the gram, don't you? I go, no, why do I need that? The Gram? No? I don't need that. By the way, go to Danpatrick dot com buy a Tailgate Moonshine four pack, receive a super special limited edition gift something we've been working on for quite some time, and I'll give you a hint. It's something that we've called an audible for limited quantity. Shop now dan patrick dot com. When you go there, you'll see the gorgeous flannels and we also have the calendars that are available as well. What other poll questions, Seaton? Are those all the ones you have? Todd?
There was just one other one which Marvin may not appreciate, but we're gonna roll with it. Gino Oriema becoming the winniest coach in NCAA history is and your choices are as followers. Wow, absolutely incredible, pretty impressive, certainly an accomplishment. Proof if you stick around long enough, you can compile big stats.
What is that about?
Wow?
What are you doing?
That's not cool?
Honor the guy?
But something wrote that doesn't mean I feel that you wrote it. I wrote that, but doesn't mean I would pick that up. You offering it to people that are down on you, and it's basketball. They don't think that what he did, with what he's doing is that big a deal. That's an option. If you don't want to go with amazing, incredible or an accomplishment.
That's not how I feel.
I would go Wow, absolutely incredible.
Actually I probably go pretty, but I probably go ali. But you thought about that. You put that there as an option, so you did think about it.
I think some people will vote for that. That's why I put it there. I thought of all the different options, and there are people of wise guys at this narky that'll be like, yeah, okay, whatever. Anyway, moving on.
It's a big deal. It's a big deal. It's consistency, it's you know, creating a program. He created a program, the number of players, number of players in the WNBA. He's one of the great coaches of all time, doesn't matter men's, women's, other sports. He's one of the great coaches of all time and should be recognized as such. And he'll hold this record for a long, long, long time. I don't think you'll see coaches who will last this long. I think Kim Mulki, who is now at LSU, she's close to five hundred wins behind him. If she coached ten more years in one forty games each year, she'd still be behind Gino Oriema. So he will be he'll hold this record for a long long time. I think it got lost in the shuffle of headlines because he wasn't passing coach k He was passing Tera van Derveer, who was a longtime coach at Stanford. And I think that's probably why it kind of slipped by people. Because I was watching Sports Center last night and all of a sudden, they're like Gino could set the record. They're playing Fairley Dickinson. So I checked the point spread. I think they were favored by forty five and a half. Who can you check it? Because I think they won by forty five. I think they were favored by forty five and a half, maybe forty six, but I think they won by forty five points. Did you have a couple bucks on this one?
Yeah?
Yeah, I got forty five and a half. Does that means fairly Dickinson covered?
Yes?
Yes, that's what's incredible. Yes, yes, yes, Todd.
I'm looking at a final of eighty five forty one. My matho was sug just a forty four point victory.
For ucuck Oh okay, well, then Fairfield or Fairley. Dickinson they covered, They covered? Isn't that amazing? The game like this and you're saying, all right, how many are they going to win? They're gonna win, but by how many? I don't know. We're gonna put it over under forty five and you're like, okay, well I'm definitely taking the over, Yes, Paul, Yeah.
Forty seasons for y Emma, he averaged thirty wins a season. It meant like an off year was twenty seven wins. And he's still going like he's going to put the record out there. Remember about when we started doing the show, maybe fifteen seventeen years ago. There is discussion would he leave to take a men's job? He said why he remember he shook it off often.
Oh yeah, yeah. I think because we look at that and say, well, that's how you show your success. Oh you're a good coach with the women. Well, Pat Summit could have coached anybody, any team. I mean, she was that great a coach. There's certain coaches, and he has a comfort level there. He is the king of Connecticut and he's done a wonderful job there. And I don't think I think there's part of him because when you talk to him, he's got that attitude that you know he'll give it back to you. He's like Cali Perry, He's not afraid to give it back to you. And I think his whole point was I don't need to prove myself. I think part of you thinks you have to, or others think you have to. He's like, no, I don't need to. I mean it's like Danny Hurley, you want to go to the Lakers, I don't know, or do you want to stay at Connecticut? And I said I would stay at Connecticut, stay there for a little while. Do something that people haven't done. Three peete here and then if you want to do it, great, the money's going to be there. But I great credit for Gina, love the personality, how his women respond to him. Great team and when you consider great coaches college basketball coaches of all time, Gino is in that conversation. All right, we'll take a break. We're going to not from social media. Just take a break, go to commercial break. But we'll come back. We'll settle on our poll question and we will talk about the topic. My take over the show is Eli Manning a first ballot home of We'll have that for you. Coming up next, Dan Patrick's show.
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I've got the Steelers favored by three and a half against the Browns. Mike Tomlin has coached nineteen games Thursday Night. That's tied with Andy Reid for the most of any active coach, and he is nine to ten on Thursday Nights, so his winning percentage is third lowest of any coach to have coached ten or more Thursday Night games since two thousand, Ron Rivera, Sean Payton, and then it's Mike Tomlin. It's a big game for them. Every game is a big game for them, trying to get a little more distance between them and the Ravens. And you're facing the Cleveland Browns. This is one of those weird moments. You're not quite sure what you're going to get from the Cleveland Browns. You kind of know what you're getting from the Pittsburgh Steelers, but this is a person excep win with the Pittsburgh Steelers. If they do win, we're going to go, well, how did Russ play? That's where we start. And if for us happens to have one of those really good games. He hasn't had a great game yet, but if he has a good game, then I think people probably in Pittsburgh will go Okay, all right, maybe we're good. You know what you're going to have For the most part when you play them, game is going to be mucked up. It's going to be ugly, but you got a great Hall of Fame coach, really good defense, don't make mistakes, and if you have home field advantage, they're going to be dangerous in the playoffs. That's a lot of things to play out over the next couple of weeks. But tonight is a perception game, I think for the Steelers. If you win, how do you win? Only favored by three and a half. And this is where Jameis Winston throws for three hundred yards. Now, I'm not saying that he's going to throw three hundred yards and three touchdowns and no interceptions, but this is one of those It'll be well, Jameis Winston can still sling it. And I thought, well, let me check the over underpassing yards for jam I just have a weird feeling about Jamis Winston tonight. Let me see, do we have over underpassing yards for Jameis Winston? I thought I had Let me see what I aint af here. Okay, Jamis Winston is averaging two hundred and seventy yards per game, seventh most all time by any quarterback with at least eighty games played, So he can do it. It's just you never know what he's going to do it, and he has a tendency to give and take it away from his own team.
Yes, Paul, Jamis Winston about five years ago, had one of the greatest, weirdest seasons in NFL history. He was seven to nine as the Buck starter. His last year there, he threw for fifty one hundred yards, led the league in passing yardage. He threw for thirty three touchdowns, but he also led the league with thirty interceptions. It's like it's like he had everything.
He threw it to. You th retain. He's not given credit, not given credit for being a thirty thirty guy. You know, we talk about baseball players like Jamis's part of the thirty thirty club. It's just a different kind of club, all right. Twenty five modern era players were named as semi finals for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty five. Between four and eight will be selected from the list. Now you have Eli Manning's there, Luke Keikley's there, Like you have some new additions on here, Adam bin Terry, Jared Allen, Terrell Suggs or Old Thomas Steve Smith. You know, there's a really really good list. And when you look at these lists, you're like, well, he's a Hall of Famer, and he's a Hall of Famer. That's true. Everybody on the list is probably a Hall of Famer. But who is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. That's where it gets a little trickier. And let me start with Eli Manning, because I don't think he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's going to get into the Hall of Fame. And now once again we love Eli, he's been on the show. My job is not to like you. My job is to cover you. Eli Manning had two great years. He didn't win any other playoff games, but in those two years he won Super Bowls. He beat the Patriots, including the undefeated Patriots. That's a great postseason having that on your resume. But his numbers, they're okay during the regular season, and the only category he led the league in three times interceptions. You have the Manning name. Peyton was the first ballot Hall of Fame. There have been sixteen quarterbacks first ballot Hall of Famers, Peyton, Manning, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, George Blanda, who was also a kicker, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, and Bobby Lane. Eli is not in that category. He's not, He's not. He can be a Hall of Fame. Once again, this goes back to what Dion talked about, and that is you can have the penthouse, you can have the second floor, first floor. I don't want to have a basement in the Hall of Fame. But if you have first floor, second floor, third floor, penthouse, or however you want to do it, or you want to give first ballot Hall of famers a different shade of jacket gold, I'm fine with that because they are different first ballot Hall of Famers. But I think there have been ninety two total first ballot Hall of Famers, including sixteen quarterbacks. Yeah.
I feel like the first floor of the Hall of Fame should be the most valuable one. Oh, even though it's the lowest, it's the one that you walk into. So like, if you're walking into the Hall of Fame and you're on the first floor and you're like, dang, these dudes are Hall of Famers really?
Okay, Well I best we better climb all the way to the top to see they're really good guys. Well, that's why you have the penthouse and it costs more. Were you gonna work a little bit to get up there, but when you get up there, you love the view? Yeah, see yeah, pony Yeah.
Going back to Eli Manning, like you said, when you mention those names, you throughout these names, he doesn't fit with those names. In the regular season, he's one seventeen and one seventeen as a starter, five hundred. He was a sixty percent passer for his career tons of yards fifty seven thousand yards, three hundred and sixty six touchdowns, but two hundred and forty four interceptions. He made four Pro Bowls, two of them as an alternate. Was never an All Pro or second team All Pro.
Yeah, and once again we bring this up and no is an elite quarterback. Note did he have two years, two postseasons where he was elite? Absolutely? And he made big plays. Absolutely, But if you're going to be honest about the Hall of Fame, he's not a first Hall of Famer. Peyton certainly was the other names that I mentioned. Now you might look at bart Starr's numbers and go, really, well, what he did for that team, the Bay Packers. They ran the ball, they played great defense, and then He had good postseasons, certainly against Kansas City, you know, big bad Chiefs. They were thinking they were going to take down the Green Bay Packers in the first Super Bowl. Then they faced the Raiders second Super Bowl. He's in, but the numbers like Dan Foutce to me, is not a first ballot Hall of Famer who loved the offense, loved what Airic Coriel did. Dan didn't do anything in the postseason. He had his moment against the Bengals in Cincinnati, the coldest football game ever played. They lost that game or they would have gone to the Super Bowl. And we've had Dan on. It's I can say, hey, I like somebody, but I have to be honest about it. And there it's not as it's not men as a slight. You'll come off as a slight. Oh, Dan Patrick doesn't think Eli's the first ballot Hall of Famer. I would say it to Eli if he asked me the question, but I'm not going to have him on to say, you know, Eli, you're not a first batle of Hall of Famer. But I'll go back to what happened when I'm sitting at a dinner with Mark Jackson and Patrick Ewing and John Berry and Mark Jackson said, Hey, tell Patrick, who would you take a keem Eli Jawan or Patrick Ewing? And I said to Patrick Ewing, I would take a keem Olaijaan. I wouldn't have said that to him, but Mark knows that I loved to keem Elijaha and thought he was a better center than Patrick Ewing. But I don't go out of my way. I don't want a hot take on this other than let me assess this, let me add some logic to this.
Yes, Paul, what this comes down to is the boost a quarterback gets from winning a Super Bowl. But look at two guys that Eli played with, oc U Menora and Justin Tuck. They each made three Pro Bowls and they were very good players. Those guys were high end defensive ends. They each won two Super Bowls. Tuck led the team in sacks, led the entire league in sex in the postseason. Neither of those guys are going to the Hall of Fame, and they participated and really helped win two Super Bowls, and they don't get the boost that Eli Manning gets.
Yeah, but you know, if I look at who they're compared to, all the great defensive linemen, they don't come close to those guys. They were really good, really good for the Giants team. But there are some great defensive linemen. You have quarterbacks who have won two Super Bowls, and then you throw in his last name and he beat the Patriots and he plays in New York. Put it all in the blender. He's probably going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. And if Todd likes to tell me, you can't spell elite without E l, I that's very true. Needs to be said Todd. Yes, thank you.
Yes, it is funny that after all that we all agreed that he is not a first ballot Hall of Famer, you finish with he will go in as one that the other voters will do it. I wonder if that's like a I think so pressure, a public pressure of catering to the mannings to a touch.
Yeah, well I wouldn't. But if he goes in, great, you know fine. There have been other players who do go in, or when they go in, or players who don't get it. Rodney Harrison, to me, is a Hall of Famer and he's been a semifinals. There's a lot of players on here. I mean you can go down the list and go Hall of Fame or Hall of Fame or Hall of Fame. First ballot is what I'm talking about. First ballot at that position is what I'm talking about. Yes, Marv, does you guys keep talking about the Manning name. Does the Manning name hold that much weight when it comes to the Hall of Fame because Archie's not in? Or is it just that Peyton holds that much weight? Yes, Peyton does. Peyton is powerful. But I don't think Eli's getting in because of Peyton. I do think the Manning name, though, has you know, Annie's you know, got the Manning cat like he's there doing commercials. He's always there. You see him. He's a fun interview and sometimes if you're nice to the media, that can play a role consciously, subconsciously, Yes, Paul.
It's also the storyline. If you go back and look at Archie Manning, he was a second pick of the draft. You remember him, Dan, he was a big college star. If he took his hometown team New Orleans to a Super Bowl victory, all his stats would be washed away and he'd probably would have gotten the Hall of Fame based off that alone. You know, he made two Pro Bowls.
Well, he was a great athlete. Like at that position, Archie could run and pass. Like Archie in today's game would probably be a better quarterback than Eli because his ability to run. Archie was a great athlete. But you know, he played for a bad team, played for New Orleans, got banged up. First jersey I ever bought was Archie Manning. Loved watching Archie, but it felt like every time I saw him he had a cast on his arm or you know, he's limping out there. But you know, Peyton changed the game, revolutionized the game. You went to the line of scrimmage and you're actually calling out plays, changing plays and kind of mocking the defense there you know what they're going to run. You know that he changed the game. Eli. He did what he needed to do when he needed to do it. But if David Tyree doesn't catch that ball with his helmet, I don't think Eli's going into the Hall of Fame. I mean it's that fine of a margin, yes, Mark. And also I think it's Eli beating Tom Brady twice. I think that helps too, because it's not even like, yeah, you won those Super Bowls, Look who you beat. Tom Brady probably has nine Super Bowls if Eli doesn't come up big in those moments. And it's not that he had great numbers as much as he had great moments, and the defense was wonderful. I thought that one of those Super Bowls, the Front four should have been the mvpick because they pounded Tom Brady. Michael Strahan's been on the show and he said we hit him with everything he said. I had more respect for him in that moment in that game than anything else he did because we pounded him and he never complained. He got back up that defense, the Front four, they were the MVPs of that Super Bowl.
Yes, Mark, And I think eli moment in the Super Bowl that doesn't get talked about enough is maybe one of the best passes I've ever seen to Mario Manahan. That thing was yeah, perfect, and I think that past probably doesn't get talked enough. But he's still not a first BOT Hall of Famer ahead.
I am right on the sidelines there, so Manningham catches it. He's four yards in front of me, and you're thinking, I thought Eli was throwing the ball. I had no idea where he's throwing it, and all of a sudden he places it perfectly with Mary O Manninghan perfect, you have that, you have the David Tyree catch. And then for some reason the Patriots put a five to ten to five to eleven. Guy on Plexico Verus and there's your Super Bowl. A couple of phone calls in here James in Virginia, Hi James, welcome back.
Oh thanks for taking my call. Brother, Happy Thursday, DP Dan next, So luci commanders.
Man.
I'll tell you man, I cannot stand the Giants, Eagles or Cowboys. But to me, without a doubt, Eli Manning is a First Ball Hall of Famer. I don't care about his regular season stats. He was always there. But in the playoffs eight and four. In the playoffs, sixty went to the Super Bowl, beat the greatest quarterback of all time twice, the greatest team of all time in seven, and Marvin hit it that passed to Mario Manningham is probably one of the sweetest passions in NFL history, rivaling the Ben Robinson passed to the homes in the in the end zone. So to me, showing up in the big moments in the big games, winning the way he did, without a doubt, the biggest play in Super Bowl history. Like you said to David Tyrie, and I'll push back a little bit. Tom Brady isn't Tom Brady is Adam Van Terry doesn't hit those ticks, so we can play with him. But in the end, Man, the guy showed up and made the plays. To me, he's definitely a first ballot for those reasons. Man my calls, gentlemen, y'all the best. Have a wonderful day. And if I don't talk to you, happy thanks. Timmons, Luke the Commanders.
That is James in Virginia staying in the division. There the nfcast to promote Eli Manning. Yeah, I know you need a team and Brady needed Adam Vinteri. Well, is Eli still in the game where he needs to make that pass if that defense doesn't dominate Tom Brady. And the answer is no. The defense kept the offense in that game and Eli provided a couple of huge plays, some of the biggest plays in Super Bowl history. Doug in North Carolina, Hi, Doug, what's on your mind today?
Well, Dan, I have an against the grain for you. This is not a hot take because there's zero percent change that this will happen, but yesterday you were talking about the race for MVP, and I know the MVP is a positive thing, but ever, if the NFL ever went to the dark side, I think the person who's proven that they are far and away the most valuable player in twenty twenty four, it's not just Allen or Lamar Jackson. I think it's Christian McCaffrey. I think in the preseason the forty nine ers were a big Super Bowl pick. He goes down and now they're just there. They're an adequate team. Tell me another non quarterback who would have that impact. Christian McCaffrey is the most valuable player in twenty twenty four.
Okay, thank you, Doug. That's against the grain. McLevin would be proud of that, do we This is where we need to hit the against the grain?
There we go.
McLevin will be very very appreciative of that. Yeah. See back to back.
Grainy takes two with James suggesting Adam Vinieri carried Tom Brady to those Super bowls.
Yeah, that's a hot take as well. Hot take. And Adam Vinitry's a Hall of Famer. He's going in because of those kicks. Nobody knows anything about his regular season numbers. Nothing, don't know his percentage. Don't know anything about Adam Vinitieri, other than he kicked for a long time and he had some of the biggest kicks in NFL history. But he was the best big cannon couple for years in the league.
Right.
He was like the one that you knew, We knew him, but because he kicked for the Patriots and normally they were in big games. But I don't know points wise or percentage wise. If he was considered the best kicker in football. He was the clutch kicker in football, and I think that's where he stood out. It was like, Oh, it's gonna come down to a kick. Oh damn, they got Vinitary. Yeah, Paul, there are three different times in his career. He played twenty four seasons, three times first team All Pro.
Okay, Marvin, and I think Vinetary needs more credit because those kicks started a dynasty.
Without him. None of this even happens after the tuck rule. What he did you know in the snowstorm? Yeah, when he did it against Super Bowl against the greatest show on turf. Yeah, and the Panthers also, yeah, those first three you're right, Yeah, but see that got overshadow Wasn't that the Janet Jackson Super Bowl? Is that the justin Timberlake?
I never forget?
Is that Nipplegate? Did did Adam Vinitterry get overshadowed? I'm gonna look by that on a non wear computer. Okay, all right, let me take a break, just getting started here. We'll come back. We got our play of the day right after this.
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Oh my god, the play of the day. This is the play of the day. Check this out, Bonna.
It's a pass on first down on the reel route. He's got Henderson, Henderson blakes free. He say, Henderson, We'll take it to the house.
Oh my gosh, years just like that.
That's is what that is.
That's Curtis see the mother ship. Henderson score one of three touchdown passes of seventy five yards or more in the game. That is your play of the day. Play of the Day is brought to you by Rapid Radio's Instant Push to Talkuonkie Talkies, Clear National LGE coverage, one touch Communication peace of mind, for connecting with family and friends in an emergency. Go to rapid Radios dot com, get up to sixty percent off and you will get free shipping. I mentioned Jamis Winston that he can get squirrely and do some great things, but he can also go the other way. Got the game tonight, it's the Browns against the Steelers. I'm trying to find the over under for Jamis Winston passing yards. Do you have that, Pauline, Yeah, we got it updated. And to give you a little hint to what it is, it's weather dependent. The weather's supposed to be lawful tonight. So first guest win the over under for Jamis and then we'll get to the weather. Two thirty four five two sixteen and a half. Oh okay, so the weather average, Yeah, he is usually two seventy only two sixty and a half. That's based off the weather.
The also, the over under I think is only thirty six and a half for the game itself. The weather at kickoff is a combination of rain or snow ninety percent chance of that and thirty eight degrees at kickoff.
Win Isn't this the This is the comeback game for Nick Chubb. Did he blow his knee out against the Steelers and now he gets to face the Steelers. Yes, Todd.
If the Steelers win like nineteen thirteen, with another four field goals like they had five last week and a touchdown, yeah, what is that? How does that change at all? Your opinion of the Steelers If they squeak by the Browns as opposed to blowing them out like a great team would.
Well, I don't know if they're a great team. And I think that this is weather dependent and I wouldn't be surprised if you get four more field goals or so out of this just because of the weather. But I it's hard to I don't think there's a great team. I mean, the lines are pretty close to being great team. Kansas City can be great, but I don't know if you have a truly it's like college football. I don't know if we have a great team, but the Lions are pretty close to it. With Pittsburgh, I just think that it's a Steeler team. It's a winning record, get into the postseason. You're winning games by crooked numbers, and that's probably what will happen tonight. Jim Harball, he was waxing poetic yesterday, and I'm thinking Jim is on a roll, and he had this to say about his quarterback, Justin Herbert, to your question.
How is Justin you know, he's that's what he's been doing his entire career. He has the most completions of any quarterback in the history of the National Football League in their first five seasons. He has the most fourth quarter comebacks you know, in that in that time span of any quarterback in the NFL. So there's it is what it is, I mean, and enjoy it. He's he's not only one of the best in the game currently, he's he's one of he's one of the best of all time.
Well, well see, he's one of the you can say, first five years, one of the great regular season quarterbacks of all time if you want to, so's Lamar Jackson. But you want to be a great postseason quarterback of all the positions in all the sports. That's what you want to be great at. And Jim is an overpraeiser. I you know, it's always interesting. I appreciate that. If he would have just said, Hey, I like my quarterback. Justin Herbert's really good. He's really good comebacks, wins, he does it all great. One of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
Yeah, yeah, Paul, I love the overpraiser, Jim Harbaugh, You're back in your guy, without any fault, without any hesitation. He did the same thing with J. J. McCarthy coming out of the draft. Greatest Michigan quarterback ever. People like, are you sure, like no doubt, that's her harbor. He plows through, ignores the criticism.
Yeah, but it also sets them up where you're like, oh, one of the great quarterbacks of all time, let's see and then he doesn't do something in the postseason. I don't know, it's you kind of set somebody up for failure.
Yeah, it is kind of funny to hear like, he's one of the best quarterbacks of all time and all these completions.
That's why we run the ball so much. Yeah, that's why we went out and got a big offensive line so I could get a Michigan style.
Okay, that's why we're trying to just pound it down your throat, Jake and Buffalo.
Hi, Jake, what's on your mind today, KADP.
I know you were just started about Eli, but I wanted to take a little bit of a left turn and was wondering about Aaron Rodgers if you think it's at all possible that his play, the turmoil that he's had the last two years, and probably mostly his talking has rubbed enough of the Hall of Fame voters the wrong way that they would keep him out that first year just to prove a point ticket to him.
No.
No, the numbers are undeniable. You may not like. I mean, there are a lot of players that I didn't get along with, but I can't argue with what they did on the football field or a baseball field. And Aaron Rodgers got four MVPs, got a Super Bowl? Can you say did he underachieve? I guess if you factor in the four MVPs, like Brett Favre, they had one Super Bowl. Okay, but he's still a first ballot Hall of Famer. Stephanie in Oregon, Hi, Steph, Hi, how.
You doing good?
So my question is, I know when you guys were talking about first time ballots. I'm not questioning that. I just was wondering what your opinion is regarding Eric Allen not being in the Hall of Fame yet. I mean, this guy has got the numbers. The only thing he didn't have was a super Bowl. But god, twenty years, the guy who's been on this scene, he still hasn't gotten in.
Yeah, but I go back to Rodney Harrison, who won three Super Bowls with the Patriots, and he should be in the Hall of Fame as well. You can make a case for so many of these guys, but I want it to be difficult to get in. I mean, I'm not the one on the outside waiting for you somebody to knock on my door. But you want the best in there to be able to say I got to see that person play, or look at the numbers of that player. Eric Allen was a great player, great player, great guy too. But I'm thankful I don't vote on this because it's a thankless job. You might say, hey, I get to vote on the Football Hall of Fame. Yeah, good luck. All you have people do is complain. Coming up, we'll check in with the Steelers. Is this a perception game? Even if they win? Can they lose