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Pete Rose, passing away at the age of eighty three is former teammate Johnny Bench. A little bit later on. Growing up in Cincinnati, we all wanted to wear number fourteen. We all were sliding head first. We wanted to have the same haircut as Pete Rose. So he certainly had an impact on me. My first autograph was from Pete Rose, and he wasn't charging back then, but I have had many many interviews with him, interactions with him. He said a lot of things to me on my radio show. And when I first got to ESPN was nineteen eighty nine and I left CNN went to ESPN, and then a few months later I'm on the eleven o'clock Sports Center with Bodley, one of the great sports journalists in history. So I come in and the Pete Rose situations unfolding right in front of me. Now, I used to gamble and one of my bookies used to take bets from Pete Rose. So I say to Bob Lee, Bob, I got information here, and I'll put that coverage up against any network of what we did covering Pete Rose in large part because of Bob. But I did have a connection and I knew exactly what was going on with his betting. Now, I never found out if he bet while he was a player on the Reds against the Reds. And I know that there's this outpouring of sympathy and sentiment for Pete Rose to be in the Hall of Fame. Nothing has changed from yesterday today to a week ago with Pete Rose. It's just sentiment here to get him in the Hall of Fame. And what I like to see Pete in the Hall of Fame. It's a museum. If you want to tell the story of baseball, then do it that way, because I know that there'll be a lot of people old schools say, well, he's stayed the game, embarrassed the game. He never really apologize until he was writing a book. I mean, there's so many angles to this, and I don't want this to take over the show because there's nothing new that I can add to this that I haven't already told you about. Whether he told me that he only bet on the Reds to win, he had never said that before, so every game he was betting on them to win, and it was a game that he was managing. I did wonder about this too. Let's say Pete didn't manage until the sixth year he got out of baseball. He retires, five year window, he goes into the Hall of Fame, first ballot, the Reds bringing back and they want him to manage. Would Baseball take him out of the Hall of Fame? And understand this, the Hall of Fame is different, separate from Major League Baseball. This is owned and operated separately. Now do they fall in line with Major League Baseball? They do, but they do it by choice. If the Hall of Fame said we want Pete on.

Pete Rose, passing away at the age of eighty three is former teammate Johnny Bench. A little bit later on. Growing up in Cincinnati, we all wanted to wear number fourteen. We all were sliding head first. We wanted to have the same haircut as Pete Rose. So he certainly had an impact on me. My first autograph was from Pete Rose, and he wasn't charging back then, but I have had many many interviews with him, interactions with him. He said a lot of things to me on my radio show. And when I first got to ESPN was nineteen eighty nine and I left CNN went to ESPN, and then a few months later I'm on the eleven o'clock Sports Center with Bodley, one of the great sports journalists in history. So I come in and the Pete Rose situations unfolding right in front of me. Now, I used to gamble and one of my bookies used to take bets from Pete Rose. So I say to Bob Lee, Bob, I got information here, and I'll put that coverage up against any network of what we did covering Pete Rose in large part because of Bob. But I did have a connection and I knew exactly what was going on with his betting. Now, I never found out if he bet while he was a player on the Reds against the Reds. And I know that there's this outpouring of sympathy and sentiment for Pete Rose to be in the Hall of Fame. Nothing has changed from yesterday today to a week ago with Pete Rose. It's just sentiment here to get him in the Hall of Fame. And what I like to see Pete in the Hall of Fame. It's a museum. If you want to tell the story of baseball, then do it that way, because I know that there'll be a lot of people old schools say, well, he's stayed the game, embarrassed the game. He never really apologize until he was writing a book. I mean, there's so many angles to this, and I don't want this to take over the show because there's nothing new that I can add to this that I haven't already told you about. Whether he told me that he only bet on the Reds to win, he had never said that before, so every game he was betting on them to win, and it was a game that he was managing. I did wonder about this too. Let's say Pete didn't manage until the sixth year he got out of baseball. He retires, five year window, he goes into the Hall of Fame, first ballot, the Reds bringing back and they want him to manage. Would Baseball take him out of the Hall of Fame? And understand this, the Hall of Fame is different, separate from Major League Baseball. This is owned and operated separately. Now do they fall in line with Major League Baseball? They do, but they do it by choice. If the Hall of Fame said we want Pete on.

The ballot, he could be on the ballot.

The ballot, he could be on the ballot.

Jeff Idelson for years has said that to us, he runs the Hall of Fame if they chose to do that. Now, once again, it's the Baseball Hall of Fame, it's not the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame. But if they wanted him on the ballot, they could put him on the ballot. But all I've ever said is it's like he he cheated in grad school.

Jeff Idelson for years has said that to us, he runs the Hall of Fame if they chose to do that. Now, once again, it's the Baseball Hall of Fame, it's not the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame. But if they wanted him on the ballot, they could put him on the ballot. But all I've ever said is it's like he he cheated in grad school.

I can't take away his undergraduate degree.

I can't take away his undergraduate degree.

And he was summa cum laude when he was, you know, undergrad, and then he became a manager and then he's betting on baseball. And if you look at the wording here of you know, what they put out as far as you know Pete's suspension, and I think people have this misunderstood on you know, it's not a lifetime ban, but that's the way it's praised. It's, you know, it's an employment ban. He he can't work in baseball. He could never work in baseball. And that's what people, I think forgot. And if you look at what you know the rule that he broke, any player, umpire, or club, or league official or employee who shall bet any some whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the better has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible. So it's not a lifetime ban. This is permanently ineligible from working in baseball. That's that's really the punishment here. And then you have people who are saying, well, it's a lifetime ban, his life is over. Is the ban over? Well, it wasn't a lifetime ban. It was permanently ineligible from holding a job in Major League baseball. I want to bring back a clip that I had with Pete Rose, and you know, once again we talked about a variety of things. But I did ask him about maybe getting into the Hall of Fame posthumously.

And he was summa cum laude when he was, you know, undergrad, and then he became a manager and then he's betting on baseball. And if you look at the wording here of you know, what they put out as far as you know Pete's suspension, and I think people have this misunderstood on you know, it's not a lifetime ban, but that's the way it's praised. It's, you know, it's an employment ban. He he can't work in baseball. He could never work in baseball. And that's what people, I think forgot. And if you look at what you know the rule that he broke, any player, umpire, or club, or league official or employee who shall bet any some whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the better has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible. So it's not a lifetime ban. This is permanently ineligible from working in baseball. That's that's really the punishment here. And then you have people who are saying, well, it's a lifetime ban, his life is over. Is the ban over? Well, it wasn't a lifetime ban. It was permanently ineligible from holding a job in Major League baseball. I want to bring back a clip that I had with Pete Rose, and you know, once again we talked about a variety of things. But I did ask him about maybe getting into the Hall of Fame posthumously.

You know, day, I make one thing clear that if I ever get an opportunity to go to the Hall of tam I'll be the happiest guy in the world.

You know, day, I make one thing clear that if I ever get an opportunity to go to the Hall of tam I'll be the happiest guy in the world.

Do you think it will happen before you?

Do you think it will happen before you?

I don't know. I still haven't given up on Budd seeing and and I know you know this as well as I. I mean, whenever, whenever someone asked budd Sealed about Pete Rose, he says, uh, well, we're we're thinking about it, you know. I mean, if you're not going to give me an opportunity, but please just tell me and and and you won't. You won't bothering. I won't send him letters. No one from my side will bothering. Do you understand what I'm saying?

I don't know. I still haven't given up on Budd seeing and and I know you know this as well as I. I mean, whenever, whenever someone asked budd Sealed about Pete Rose, he says, uh, well, we're we're thinking about it, you know. I mean, if you're not going to give me an opportunity, but please just tell me and and and you won't. You won't bothering. I won't send him letters. No one from my side will bothering. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Would you rather know now that you'll never get into the Hall of Fame as opposed to that possibility of getting into the Hall of.

Would you rather know now that you'll never get into the Hall of Fame as opposed to that possibility of getting into the Hall of.

Fame, Well, it ain't going to help me a damn bit if I'm dead. I mean, the Hall of Fame for your family and your friends anyway. But you know, like it was saying, I think the way they handle Ron Santo, do they put him.

Fame, Well, it ain't going to help me a damn bit if I'm dead. I mean, the Hall of Fame for your family and your friends anyway. But you know, like it was saying, I think the way they handle Ron Santo, do they put him.

In that broke my heart?

In that broke my heart?

Yeah? I think I think in baseball, the more Hall of famers you have walking around, especially tomorrow, more hall of famers you have walking around talking to people, the better off your sport is. And you know, I'm not going to break the rules again. I mean people ought to know that. I mean, you know, I've been suspended twenty three years. It cost me a lot. It cost me a lot. You know, you could suspend these guys making twenty million for a long time and us lose as much as I did. Now, I'm not whining now, I'm just telling you the facts of the situation. And you know one thing I never did, Dan, and you agree with this. I never never cheated to people when I played the game of baseball. Okay, regardless of what I did, I always played my ass.

Yeah? I think I think in baseball, the more Hall of famers you have walking around, especially tomorrow, more hall of famers you have walking around talking to people, the better off your sport is. And you know, I'm not going to break the rules again. I mean people ought to know that. I mean, you know, I've been suspended twenty three years. It cost me a lot. It cost me a lot. You know, you could suspend these guys making twenty million for a long time and us lose as much as I did. Now, I'm not whining now, I'm just telling you the facts of the situation. And you know one thing I never did, Dan, and you agree with this. I never never cheated to people when I played the game of baseball. Okay, regardless of what I did, I always played my ass.

Off when I played the game of baseball.

Off when I played the game of baseball.

I always put the fans first. I understood the importance of the fans, how important the fans work to the game. And I guess that's somewhat the reason I played the way I did. And I think I influenced my teammates. And you don't have bad things said about me to my teammates. I'm not one of these guys that's been in a bar fight, run red lights, beat somebody up. I mean, you don't ever read it. The only thing you ever read about me is I gambled, and nothing else. And if you have, I don't know what it would be. So you know, I made a mistake. I made a big mistake, a big mistake, a huge mistake. And when Giamoni told me to, you know, to reconfigure my life, I misunderstood him. I thought when he said reconfiguring my life, that meant no more illegal gaming, which I don't do, be very close to people you associate with, which I do. But what he meant and it took me years to understand this take responsibility for what I did. And I did take responsibility for it. But there's still people that just won't let it go away. We're talking about something, man, that happened. I was suspended in nineteen eighty nine, eighty nine. You know it's time to get over it.

I always put the fans first. I understood the importance of the fans, how important the fans work to the game. And I guess that's somewhat the reason I played the way I did. And I think I influenced my teammates. And you don't have bad things said about me to my teammates. I'm not one of these guys that's been in a bar fight, run red lights, beat somebody up. I mean, you don't ever read it. The only thing you ever read about me is I gambled, and nothing else. And if you have, I don't know what it would be. So you know, I made a mistake. I made a big mistake, a big mistake, a huge mistake. And when Giamoni told me to, you know, to reconfigure my life, I misunderstood him. I thought when he said reconfiguring my life, that meant no more illegal gaming, which I don't do, be very close to people you associate with, which I do. But what he meant and it took me years to understand this take responsibility for what I did. And I did take responsibility for it. But there's still people that just won't let it go away. We're talking about something, man, that happened. I was suspended in nineteen eighty nine, eighty nine. You know it's time to get over it.

That's from July twenty fifth, twenty thirteen. It took Pete a long time to say he was sorry or show any contrition, and I know that that bothered the previous commissioner, Bud Selik, and we had had public conversations on my radio show. We had private conversations about Pete Rose, and it just became a story that they wanted to go away. But every year at Cooperstown, Pete would be their signing autographs. Meanwhile, you would have other people having their day at Cooperstown, but Pete would sign on autographs. Nobody has benefited more from not being in the Hall of Fame than Pete Rose, because now he became more of an attraction now that there was the Well, let's root for Pete to get into the Hall of Fame a cause if you will. And I've always said that in what Pete said there, I never got cheated ever when I went to see Pete Rose play, never.

That's from July twenty fifth, twenty thirteen. It took Pete a long time to say he was sorry or show any contrition, and I know that that bothered the previous commissioner, Bud Selik, and we had had public conversations on my radio show. We had private conversations about Pete Rose, and it just became a story that they wanted to go away. But every year at Cooperstown, Pete would be their signing autographs. Meanwhile, you would have other people having their day at Cooperstown, but Pete would sign on autographs. Nobody has benefited more from not being in the Hall of Fame than Pete Rose, because now he became more of an attraction now that there was the Well, let's root for Pete to get into the Hall of Fame a cause if you will. And I've always said that in what Pete said there, I never got cheated ever when I went to see Pete Rose play, never.

And he won more games than anybody. We know all of the stats.

And he won more games than anybody. We know all of the stats.

But I think Pete thought that was enough that there would be an overwhelming sentiment of one of the great players of all time, he's got to be in the Hall of Fame.

But I think Pete thought that was enough that there would be an overwhelming sentiment of one of the great players of all time, he's got to be in the Hall of Fame.

Well he doesn't.

Well he doesn't.

And now it would be hypocritical if you put him into the Hall of Fame now, because why are you putting him in now? Nothing's changed unless you're saying, we punished him. Now for his family's sake or Baseball's sake, we're going to put him in the Hall of Fame. If you want to put the steroid guys in there, put it in.

And now it would be hypocritical if you put him into the Hall of Fame now, because why are you putting him in now? Nothing's changed unless you're saying, we punished him. Now for his family's sake or Baseball's sake, we're going to put him in the Hall of Fame. If you want to put the steroid guys in there, put it in.

Put him in.

Put him in.

Even if you do that, maybe you don't let them have their day where they get give a speech. You're in the Hall of Fame. There is no speech. We want to tell the story of baseball. Fine, but Pete Rose Pete is his own worst nightmare, his own worst enemy. What made him great is what kept him out of the Hall of Fame. He could just never say sorry, What can I do to give back to baseball? And I remember having a conversation with Commissioner Seely, and I brought up the idea of having Pete go through the minor leagues and just tell the players what he sacrificed, what he lost, and do it on his own dime, and just go around and tell people this is a cautionary tale. You can have everything and you can lose it all. And he was really really popular, not just baseball, not sports popular. Pete was popular, and that might have resonated with some people, and it would certainly resonate with Major League Baseball. But Pete couldn't come to grips with that, and then he thought, hey, I'm betting on my team to win. Well, you'd still manipulate the lineup up. It's Pete needed to compete. You can't spell compete without Pete. Michael Jordan's same way. They're wired that way that they have to have something going on. There has to be something there. And Pete wasn't a good gambler. My bookie would say, you know, because I'd say, who's Pete Betanon? Now there was a main bookie in Cincinnati, Indian Hills, and then my bookie was in my hometown, and then he would get bets laid off to him. If you're into gambling, then you know what I'm talking about. Don't want to get into the weeds too much. So I was aware. I was there in eighty six and it was postseason. Pete was there and he might have been working for somebody, but I remember he said to Bob Costas and me, who do you like today? It was Mets Astros. When somebody says who do you like today?

Even if you do that, maybe you don't let them have their day where they get give a speech. You're in the Hall of Fame. There is no speech. We want to tell the story of baseball. Fine, but Pete Rose Pete is his own worst nightmare, his own worst enemy. What made him great is what kept him out of the Hall of Fame. He could just never say sorry, What can I do to give back to baseball? And I remember having a conversation with Commissioner Seely, and I brought up the idea of having Pete go through the minor leagues and just tell the players what he sacrificed, what he lost, and do it on his own dime, and just go around and tell people this is a cautionary tale. You can have everything and you can lose it all. And he was really really popular, not just baseball, not sports popular. Pete was popular, and that might have resonated with some people, and it would certainly resonate with Major League Baseball. But Pete couldn't come to grips with that, and then he thought, hey, I'm betting on my team to win. Well, you'd still manipulate the lineup up. It's Pete needed to compete. You can't spell compete without Pete. Michael Jordan's same way. They're wired that way that they have to have something going on. There has to be something there. And Pete wasn't a good gambler. My bookie would say, you know, because I'd say, who's Pete Betanon? Now there was a main bookie in Cincinnati, Indian Hills, and then my bookie was in my hometown, and then he would get bets laid off to him. If you're into gambling, then you know what I'm talking about. Don't want to get into the weeds too much. So I was aware. I was there in eighty six and it was postseason. Pete was there and he might have been working for somebody, but I remember he said to Bob Costas and me, who do you like today? It was Mets Astros. When somebody says who do you like today?

That's gambling. Who do you like? And I know it.

That's gambling. Who do you like? And I know it.

I know the code because people still ask me, who do you like? I go no, no, don't bet on it. And so Pete was probably betting on the Astros in the Mets, and if Mike Scott was pitching, he was probably betting on min Scott to beat the Mets. But you can't put him in the Hall of Fame now because it's hypocritical. There was the opportunity. I was hoping that there would be something that was there. But if you open the door, are you opening the door?

I know the code because people still ask me, who do you like? I go no, no, don't bet on it. And so Pete was probably betting on the Astros in the Mets, and if Mike Scott was pitching, he was probably betting on min Scott to beat the Mets. But you can't put him in the Hall of Fame now because it's hypocritical. There was the opportunity. I was hoping that there would be something that was there. But if you open the door, are you opening the door?

Then?

Then?

For everybody, Pete didn't cheat the game in the sense of what the steroid guys did. He broke a posted rule. It's right there there. It's the cardinal rule. It's right there. Every clubhouse has it. There's nothing in there that says don't use steroids, but it tells you do not bet on baseball.

For everybody, Pete didn't cheat the game in the sense of what the steroid guys did. He broke a posted rule. It's right there there. It's the cardinal rule. It's right there. Every clubhouse has it. There's nothing in there that says don't use steroids, but it tells you do not bet on baseball.

And Pete did it.

And Pete did it.

But Pete thought he was bigger than the game, and he found out that he wasn't. But great memories, big Red Machine, best best hitting lineup certainly in National League history, and a lot of great memories. And Johnny benchall join us coming up a little bit later on to talk about Pete, but passing away at the age of eighty three. You know who I felt really sad for was to Kembay Mtumbo's family because he passes away, and then hours later it's announced that Pete Rose passed away, and it made me think about Farah Fawcett was really really famous Charlie's Angels. She passes away, and then hours later Michael Jackson passes away, and the coverage changed and went right to Michael Jackson, just like Pete Rose and to Kembay Mutumbo is one of the giving people, not just athletes, I've ever encountered. He wanted to help people in an Africa. He wanted to be able to be a goodwill ambassador for the NBA, and when he got out of the game, he wanted to know how to give back. And David Stern would talk to me about certain players, and he always loved de Kembe because he said he wants to give, he wants to have a bigger impact, and I always appreciated that. So he passes away and then hours later it's Pete Rose.

But Pete thought he was bigger than the game, and he found out that he wasn't. But great memories, big Red Machine, best best hitting lineup certainly in National League history, and a lot of great memories. And Johnny benchall join us coming up a little bit later on to talk about Pete, but passing away at the age of eighty three. You know who I felt really sad for was to Kembay Mtumbo's family because he passes away, and then hours later it's announced that Pete Rose passed away, and it made me think about Farah Fawcett was really really famous Charlie's Angels. She passes away, and then hours later Michael Jackson passes away, and the coverage changed and went right to Michael Jackson, just like Pete Rose and to Kembay Mutumbo is one of the giving people, not just athletes, I've ever encountered. He wanted to help people in an Africa. He wanted to be able to be a goodwill ambassador for the NBA, and when he got out of the game, he wanted to know how to give back. And David Stern would talk to me about certain players, and he always loved de Kembe because he said he wants to give, he wants to have a bigger impact, and I always appreciated that. So he passes away and then hours later it's Pete Rose.

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App He's the greatest catcher of all time. He's Johnny Bench, the Hall of Famer and a two time World Series champ with the Reds, and of course was a teammate of Pete Rose's. He's got his Pete and Johnny t shirt on. And last time you saw Pete was when Johnny.

App He's the greatest catcher of all time. He's Johnny Bench, the Hall of Famer and a two time World Series champ with the Reds, and of course was a teammate of Pete Rose's. He's got his Pete and Johnny t shirt on. And last time you saw Pete was when Johnny.

Actually I missed him in Nashville. He was there this past weekend. They had a memorabilia show and I did on Saturday, and then he was in with Tony and Davy and George and Kenny and they had one last picture I guess at the end of the show. And I did not get to see him because I was They put us on different days just for draws and stuff, but yeah, I would. And my plan was because everybody was saying that he wasn't looking great. He was in a wheelchair, and my plan was the text and with wish him, you know, better health. I think it's a sad day for all of us and what he meant to me, what he meant to the Big Red Machine. But the guys were very concerned about him yesterday on Sunday because they said he just wasn't the same old Pete and it's sad. I mean, it really is. I think back to the nineteen sixty seven, even sixty six when I went to spring training, but being a part of what Pete's life was and growing with him for all we were in business, we played together. His goal in life was to get two hundred hits. He wanted me to hit three hundred. I said, you hit three hundred, I'll drive you one hundred times. But nobody was more driven. He was the epitome of hustle, of energy and desire. If he had three hits, he wanted to get four. If he had four, he wanted to get five. I've never seen anybody ever liked that. And the day he got five hits off of Gay Lord Perry is probably one of the greatest hitting days that I can ever remember. He was in the Batic title and I think it was Mattie Alouk and it might have been Mad Luck, but it was like that, and he was he was actually asking somebody in the stands hall A Lou was doing how many hits he had as he was as he was going, and he needed one more, so he went out and got one. Bore and he told me stories. But it was we were in business together, like I said, but his desire and his need to win, his need to succeed. I think it all became became part of his life because he grew up in Western Hills in Cincinnati. He was a river rat they called him, and barely got a chance to even play the game of baseball. It was an uncle of his that was newest scout that got him a try out one hundred and forty five pounds and he was never going to make it, and he wanted to prove to everybody. Wanted to be the first hundred thousand dollars singles hitter. He wanted to drive a Cadillac, and every day it was like he wanted more, and it was just, you know, it's heartbreaking because peach health was a part of his life. His father died of art attack in his early sixties and Peats had several procedures. But to think he reached space almost six thousand times, six thousand times, I mean, there's nobody like that. There's nobody but it, And damn it, why why you know, you get up and you wonder why all of this happened, and why A desire and dream and probably and the greatest hitter in the game of baseball. How he could possibly you know, get into a situation And yeah, it bothered all of us, but it was our desire to try to help him. We did everything we could. There was more than people will ever know.

Actually I missed him in Nashville. He was there this past weekend. They had a memorabilia show and I did on Saturday, and then he was in with Tony and Davy and George and Kenny and they had one last picture I guess at the end of the show. And I did not get to see him because I was They put us on different days just for draws and stuff, but yeah, I would. And my plan was because everybody was saying that he wasn't looking great. He was in a wheelchair, and my plan was the text and with wish him, you know, better health. I think it's a sad day for all of us and what he meant to me, what he meant to the Big Red Machine. But the guys were very concerned about him yesterday on Sunday because they said he just wasn't the same old Pete and it's sad. I mean, it really is. I think back to the nineteen sixty seven, even sixty six when I went to spring training, but being a part of what Pete's life was and growing with him for all we were in business, we played together. His goal in life was to get two hundred hits. He wanted me to hit three hundred. I said, you hit three hundred, I'll drive you one hundred times. But nobody was more driven. He was the epitome of hustle, of energy and desire. If he had three hits, he wanted to get four. If he had four, he wanted to get five. I've never seen anybody ever liked that. And the day he got five hits off of Gay Lord Perry is probably one of the greatest hitting days that I can ever remember. He was in the Batic title and I think it was Mattie Alouk and it might have been Mad Luck, but it was like that, and he was he was actually asking somebody in the stands hall A Lou was doing how many hits he had as he was as he was going, and he needed one more, so he went out and got one. Bore and he told me stories. But it was we were in business together, like I said, but his desire and his need to win, his need to succeed. I think it all became became part of his life because he grew up in Western Hills in Cincinnati. He was a river rat they called him, and barely got a chance to even play the game of baseball. It was an uncle of his that was newest scout that got him a try out one hundred and forty five pounds and he was never going to make it, and he wanted to prove to everybody. Wanted to be the first hundred thousand dollars singles hitter. He wanted to drive a Cadillac, and every day it was like he wanted more, and it was just, you know, it's heartbreaking because peach health was a part of his life. His father died of art attack in his early sixties and Peats had several procedures. But to think he reached space almost six thousand times, six thousand times, I mean, there's nobody like that. There's nobody but it, And damn it, why why you know, you get up and you wonder why all of this happened, and why A desire and dream and probably and the greatest hitter in the game of baseball. How he could possibly you know, get into a situation And yeah, it bothered all of us, but it was our desire to try to help him. We did everything we could. There was more than people will ever know.

Well, I know you're a big proponent and backer of Pete. You know after your playing careers, did you know if Pete bet? When he was playing?

Well, I know you're a big proponent and backer of Pete. You know after your playing careers, did you know if Pete bet? When he was playing?

There were words, There were talk. There was friends of mine who who knew FBI agents, and they actually passed along the word that just hey, tell your friend to stay as far away from him as you can. And I thought that was kind of the as it turned out. I wasn't sure why at the time. Did I know it? Now? Did I see him ever calling a bet? Now? I mean we the only betting iver saw him do was at the dog track in spring training.

There were words, There were talk. There was friends of mine who who knew FBI agents, and they actually passed along the word that just hey, tell your friend to stay as far away from him as you can. And I thought that was kind of the as it turned out. I wasn't sure why at the time. Did I know it? Now? Did I see him ever calling a bet? Now? I mean we the only betting iver saw him do was at the dog track in spring training.

But do you think, I mean, you talk about this competitiveness, you can't turn that off. We see athletes when they're done, they need something else. He needed something, you know when he played, he could you know, as a manager you kind of but he needed that juice of gambling. And then when you get busted by Major League Baseball, his competitiveness, like Lance Armstrong, it doesn't allow you to apologize.

But do you think, I mean, you talk about this competitiveness, you can't turn that off. We see athletes when they're done, they need something else. He needed something, you know when he played, he could you know, as a manager you kind of but he needed that juice of gambling. And then when you get busted by Major League Baseball, his competitiveness, like Lance Armstrong, it doesn't allow you to apologize.

That's true, and that enemy. Yes, it's the adrenaline. And let's face it. I mean, we talk about alcoholism. I've had friends of an alcohol I see kids on drugs all the time. They have a hard time getting off gambling as an addiction. Let's just face it. We know it is. And it was for him, but he needed it, he wanted it. He wanted to compete, and when he didn't win, he had to double up, you know. And it's like he had to go after something else. And then when he he loved the horses, and then maybe it was based basketball. Well, then it was football. You know, everybody bets football. And then what do you know best, Well, let's just assume it was baseball. People say, well, he only bet on the Reds to win. He said, well, if you don't bet on them every night you don't, you're betting against them. I mean it was I Look, I got buried in Cincinnati because I didn't support Pete. I didn't support all the things that you know. He Oh, it's okay, and it's still rule twenty one. No matter what you do. I don't care what you do, and people whenever you go to speak, first question is and I look at them and I say what do you think? And they said yes, And I said, well do you have kids? Yes? And I said, well go home and tell them there's no more rules. And it's like, WHOA, Well I didn't, I said, well, I'm not. I didn't make the rule. I didn't make the rule. I didn't keep Pete out of it. In fact, I went to the commissioners Sealy twice, went to him a third time. He said, no, don't bring it up again. Twice, Mike Smith, Joe Morgan, myself. But those are the bad things, but what great things.

That's true, and that enemy. Yes, it's the adrenaline. And let's face it. I mean, we talk about alcoholism. I've had friends of an alcohol I see kids on drugs all the time. They have a hard time getting off gambling as an addiction. Let's just face it. We know it is. And it was for him, but he needed it, he wanted it. He wanted to compete, and when he didn't win, he had to double up, you know. And it's like he had to go after something else. And then when he he loved the horses, and then maybe it was based basketball. Well, then it was football. You know, everybody bets football. And then what do you know best, Well, let's just assume it was baseball. People say, well, he only bet on the Reds to win. He said, well, if you don't bet on them every night you don't, you're betting against them. I mean it was I Look, I got buried in Cincinnati because I didn't support Pete. I didn't support all the things that you know. He Oh, it's okay, and it's still rule twenty one. No matter what you do. I don't care what you do, and people whenever you go to speak, first question is and I look at them and I say what do you think? And they said yes, And I said, well do you have kids? Yes? And I said, well go home and tell them there's no more rules. And it's like, WHOA, Well I didn't, I said, well, I'm not. I didn't make the rule. I didn't make the rule. I didn't keep Pete out of it. In fact, I went to the commissioners Sealy twice, went to him a third time. He said, no, don't bring it up again. Twice, Mike Smith, Joe Morgan, myself. But those are the bad things, but what great things.

The Hall of Fame just says we're gonna we want him on the ballot. Since I mean, they're independent of Major League Baseball. Would you have a problem if Cooperstown says we're going to have them on the on the ballot.

The Hall of Fame just says we're gonna we want him on the ballot. Since I mean, they're independent of Major League Baseball. Would you have a problem if Cooperstown says we're going to have them on the on the ballot.

It's been their choice on sad nine. Yeah, they've had that option. It was It wasn't major League Baseball. It was the Hall of Fame that says, here's who's on the ballot. These are the guys that have played that for ten years or the certain amount of time. That makes you eligible to be voted on, and they chose not to put him on the ballot. I don't have a vote. I'm not a member. I'm you know, I'm a member of the Hall of Fame, but I don't have a vote. And it's interesting to hear so many people saying they would vote for him. So many people say they're not vote for him. And there were always lines drawn. And we are forgiving society. I mean, there's people that right now have gone out and killed people. There's people caught in drugsting, there's deal in fraud. They do everything, and yet they're now the face of sports in a lot of ways. And for Pete, you know, I think he had a chance. I think when Uberh was the commissioner, he tried to get Pete to sign off on a thing, and when Pete said, Noel beat it, then it became I will challenge it. And it's been a losing proposition for him. I mean in the times that my said, Bud, come on, let's let's try to get him on. Okay, let's get him on. Let's see if he'll do these things. It didn't work, it didn't take. He didn't follow the rules that they had laid down and man for all of us. I mean, there wasn't a one, I mean, Tony Perez, Pete to Joe Morgan, there wasn't one of us that didn't say to Pete, come on, let's do this. And it's sad. It's sad we have to. He has to leave his legacy with the gambling part of it, rather than the legacy with forty two hundred and a jillion hits, forty two to fifty six, whatever it is, five thousand beasts, five All Star games in different positions, and the desire and to make everybody better, everybody every where. When he made everybody better, Hey, look what happened in Philadelphia when we went over there and Mike Schmidt and all of those guys just stepped it up a notch because their intensity level, because that's what Pete had more than anybody.

It's been their choice on sad nine. Yeah, they've had that option. It was It wasn't major League Baseball. It was the Hall of Fame that says, here's who's on the ballot. These are the guys that have played that for ten years or the certain amount of time. That makes you eligible to be voted on, and they chose not to put him on the ballot. I don't have a vote. I'm not a member. I'm you know, I'm a member of the Hall of Fame, but I don't have a vote. And it's interesting to hear so many people saying they would vote for him. So many people say they're not vote for him. And there were always lines drawn. And we are forgiving society. I mean, there's people that right now have gone out and killed people. There's people caught in drugsting, there's deal in fraud. They do everything, and yet they're now the face of sports in a lot of ways. And for Pete, you know, I think he had a chance. I think when Uberh was the commissioner, he tried to get Pete to sign off on a thing, and when Pete said, Noel beat it, then it became I will challenge it. And it's been a losing proposition for him. I mean in the times that my said, Bud, come on, let's let's try to get him on. Okay, let's get him on. Let's see if he'll do these things. It didn't work, it didn't take. He didn't follow the rules that they had laid down and man for all of us. I mean, there wasn't a one, I mean, Tony Perez, Pete to Joe Morgan, there wasn't one of us that didn't say to Pete, come on, let's do this. And it's sad. It's sad we have to. He has to leave his legacy with the gambling part of it, rather than the legacy with forty two hundred and a jillion hits, forty two to fifty six, whatever it is, five thousand beasts, five All Star games in different positions, and the desire and to make everybody better, everybody every where. When he made everybody better, Hey, look what happened in Philadelphia when we went over there and Mike Schmidt and all of those guys just stepped it up a notch because their intensity level, because that's what Pete had more than anybody.

I can't tell if you're more mad or sad that. Yeah, I am.

I can't tell if you're more mad or sad that. Yeah, I am.

I am absolutely devastating. I mean I have cried. I actually cried because I didn't want this to happen. I didn't want this to happen to Pete. I wanted to save Pete. Yeah, we had our difference. We knocked heads on some certain things and everything else. There wasn't one time that we didn't shake hands or hug whenever we saw each other. I didn't want it hanging over it. I didn't want this to be part of baseball. I didn't want it to be a black eye on baseball to begin with. But I did more importantly, Pete gave everything to all of us, all of us, and yet this sickness, this addiction, was too much for him to overcome.

I am absolutely devastating. I mean I have cried. I actually cried because I didn't want this to happen. I didn't want this to happen to Pete. I wanted to save Pete. Yeah, we had our difference. We knocked heads on some certain things and everything else. There wasn't one time that we didn't shake hands or hug whenever we saw each other. I didn't want it hanging over it. I didn't want this to be part of baseball. I didn't want it to be a black eye on baseball to begin with. But I did more importantly, Pete gave everything to all of us, all of us, and yet this sickness, this addiction, was too much for him to overcome.

He gave you, but he didn't give you what you ultimately wanted, and that is to help Pete help himself.

He gave you, but he didn't give you what you ultimately wanted, and that is to help Pete help himself.

Yeah, we had a quite a talk out in California when I was We were at an event together and he said, can I see you for a minute. He came and he went into a different room and he said, I apologize. I apologize for everything that I did to you during your Hall of Fame year. I affected that how I've affected you after your career, because I know all the questions are coming about me, and it takes away from what you achieved, and it probably pably takes away from what I achieved. But I'm sorry. I apologize, And I thought, now is the opportunity Pete. Now's the opportunity to really step forward and and say I'm sorry, you know, follow at your feet of all everyone and say I'm sorry. And America would forgive it him. I mean somebody said, you know, he would have been even been worse off shooting, you know, better off shooting. I think, then, what what this has caused? And we seem to make you know, certain things out of you know, who took drugs? You know? All right there, let's go with Barry Ball, Let's go with Roger Clem, let's go with Sammysus, and then we take koe Kmak and MacGuire. And yet there's guys that probably have taken it or accused of taking it, you know that's playing now and played forever and played in the Hall of ben or in the Hall of Fame probably.

Yeah, we had a quite a talk out in California when I was We were at an event together and he said, can I see you for a minute. He came and he went into a different room and he said, I apologize. I apologize for everything that I did to you during your Hall of Fame year. I affected that how I've affected you after your career, because I know all the questions are coming about me, and it takes away from what you achieved, and it probably pably takes away from what I achieved. But I'm sorry. I apologize, And I thought, now is the opportunity Pete. Now's the opportunity to really step forward and and say I'm sorry, you know, follow at your feet of all everyone and say I'm sorry. And America would forgive it him. I mean somebody said, you know, he would have been even been worse off shooting, you know, better off shooting. I think, then, what what this has caused? And we seem to make you know, certain things out of you know, who took drugs? You know? All right there, let's go with Barry Ball, Let's go with Roger Clem, let's go with Sammysus, and then we take koe Kmak and MacGuire. And yet there's guys that probably have taken it or accused of taking it, you know that's playing now and played forever and played in the Hall of ben or in the Hall of Fame probably.

But I wonder about this. Let's say Pete didn't manage. Let's say he was seven years after his career was over. So he goes in first ballot, he's in the Hall of Fame, he decides to manage, and then they realize that he's gambling on baseball. Would the Baseball Hall of Fame take Pete out? Do you think if he was already in for what he did as a player, but he's accused of gambling as a manager.

But I wonder about this. Let's say Pete didn't manage. Let's say he was seven years after his career was over. So he goes in first ballot, he's in the Hall of Fame, he decides to manage, and then they realize that he's gambling on baseball. Would the Baseball Hall of Fame take Pete out? Do you think if he was already in for what he did as a player, but he's accused of gambling as a manager.

I would hope that the club would interject. I would hope that the club would step up in and say, Pete, this is a warning. Everybody knows it. I mean, and we have now have all the detectives in the world in Major League Baseball. They're checking everything that you do. And if they found out or something that this was a situation, you know, these are what is you know, what if he never made that first bet. What if he had won his first bet, What if he had not lost the double down? What if all of these things would have happened. You know, if you don't bet on your team every night, Okay, that's betting against them, that we know. But if he'd have these are all scenarios that had he done it, I'm sure that I found out about it. I was the owner. I would have come down and said, Pete, no, knock this off, or they would have fired him on the spot. Because the integrity of baseball is still the most important thing we have.

I would hope that the club would interject. I would hope that the club would step up in and say, Pete, this is a warning. Everybody knows it. I mean, and we have now have all the detectives in the world in Major League Baseball. They're checking everything that you do. And if they found out or something that this was a situation, you know, these are what is you know, what if he never made that first bet. What if he had won his first bet, What if he had not lost the double down? What if all of these things would have happened. You know, if you don't bet on your team every night, Okay, that's betting against them, that we know. But if he'd have these are all scenarios that had he done it, I'm sure that I found out about it. I was the owner. I would have come down and said, Pete, no, knock this off, or they would have fired him on the spot. Because the integrity of baseball is still the most important thing we have.

What would you say to Commissioner Manfred today, Let's say he's listening to this interview.

What would you say to Commissioner Manfred today, Let's say he's listening to this interview.

He's made that decision. He's had a one on one with Pete. He's had a one on one.

He's made that decision. He's had a one on one with Pete. He's had a one on one.

Our hour and a half, So no budgeting that and he what did you hear from that conversation he had with Pete?

Our hour and a half, So no budgeting that and he what did you hear from that conversation he had with Pete?

Well, we know what his decision was. Nothing. No, you're not going to be on the ballot.

Well, we know what his decision was. Nothing. No, you're not going to be on the ballot.

But he can't.

But he can't.

And you know this better than anybody, Johnny is this commissioner can't make that decision because you're going against bud Sea League and you're going against Barciamani. And I don't think he wants. This isn't a legacy that you want. I mean, he's this commissioner has done some good things for baseball. I just don't know. It seems hypocritical if you put him in posthumously.

And you know this better than anybody, Johnny is this commissioner can't make that decision because you're going against bud Sea League and you're going against Barciamani. And I don't think he wants. This isn't a legacy that you want. I mean, he's this commissioner has done some good things for baseball. I just don't know. It seems hypocritical if you put him in posthumously.

Well, the thing that bothers me today is everything is gambling. You're probably being sponsored by something, Yes, I mean we're we're now condoning it and we're now seeing it. I'm watching the game yesterday and I see nine probability to brave the win ten percent on the met now the score three runs out, sixty forty. I mean, you got it on your phone where you can tell you can bet on swings. They say, you can bet on foul balls, you can bet on pictures a tryout. I mean, it's become part of it. And now we see a couple of young players who now have been banned from baseball or at least suspended. I think that's that's the thing we have to have to figure out. But I can't. But you could always at it differently. Baseball is actually looking at this differently now.

Well, the thing that bothers me today is everything is gambling. You're probably being sponsored by something, Yes, I mean we're we're now condoning it and we're now seeing it. I'm watching the game yesterday and I see nine probability to brave the win ten percent on the met now the score three runs out, sixty forty. I mean, you got it on your phone where you can tell you can bet on swings. They say, you can bet on foul balls, you can bet on pictures a tryout. I mean, it's become part of it. And now we see a couple of young players who now have been banned from baseball or at least suspended. I think that's that's the thing we have to have to figure out. But I can't. But you could always at it differently. Baseball is actually looking at this differently now.

Well, they're doing this to make money off fans. You can't have the people involved in these games with the potential to alter the outcome. That's why I know they're in bed with gambling. But players can't be involved in this because they can manipulate the outcome, fix.

Well, they're doing this to make money off fans. You can't have the people involved in these games with the potential to alter the outcome. That's why I know they're in bed with gambling. But players can't be involved in this because they can manipulate the outcome, fix.

A game, soaking the fans. Strangely enough, I mean, if you've ever been to a golf tournament when the guy's in these backswing, somebody coughs or sneezes, or his phone happens to chirp or anything else because he doesn't want him to hit the ball in a fair way, or he doesn't want all of these their scenarios, these are possible. Yes, I understand the money's out there, and that's what it's all about. Is having the owners and paying for the salaries that they've got out there. That's that's understandable. That's what we do. We're all in it for the dollar at this point, is they say the owners would say, and that's what we're going to have to do. If we're gonna give a seven hundred million dollar contract, somehow, we've got to pay for it. Yeah, I mean you know, I mean sure that you know even in the Wow, seven hundred million, it's two million, fifty million. That's a lot. But it's it. I think baseball is starting to take a different look at it now. Okay, working doning betting, and should we take another look at Pete? I've heard that.

A game, soaking the fans. Strangely enough, I mean, if you've ever been to a golf tournament when the guy's in these backswing, somebody coughs or sneezes, or his phone happens to chirp or anything else because he doesn't want him to hit the ball in a fair way, or he doesn't want all of these their scenarios, these are possible. Yes, I understand the money's out there, and that's what it's all about. Is having the owners and paying for the salaries that they've got out there. That's that's understandable. That's what we do. We're all in it for the dollar at this point, is they say the owners would say, and that's what we're going to have to do. If we're gonna give a seven hundred million dollar contract, somehow, we've got to pay for it. Yeah, I mean you know, I mean sure that you know even in the Wow, seven hundred million, it's two million, fifty million. That's a lot. But it's it. I think baseball is starting to take a different look at it now. Okay, working doning betting, and should we take another look at Pete? I've heard that.

Okay, your first reaction to when Pete slid head first when you first saw it, I was doing it in Binger, Oklahoma, because Pete was doing it.

Okay, your first reaction to when Pete slid head first when you first saw it, I was doing it in Binger, Oklahoma, because Pete was doing it.

No, no, no, I hadn't seen Pete. This is back in the early sixties, so I had never TV. I wouldn't know who Pete was. In sixty three he came up as a rookie, so I never saw Pete rose head first light I was head first sliding with in the slaughter.

No, no, no, I hadn't seen Pete. This is back in the early sixties, so I had never TV. I wouldn't know who Pete was. In sixty three he came up as a rookie, so I never saw Pete rose head first light I was head first sliding with in the slaughter.

Is he the first one to do a head first line.

Is he the first one to do a head first line.

In a slaughter. Yeah, he was known for that. And I did the head first slide, and then when I got up to Cincinnati, Pete was doing the head first slide, so I didn't do the hit first slide anymore. It's his deal. I mean, I've never seen anybody. I don't know if you can call it a slide. I mean the statue he has in front of his stadium is perfect. Yeah, that is absolutely Pete Rose. That's the way he dove into everything with agg aggressiveness. I mean you can see you can still look back at the nineteen seventy five World Series when he went into third if you're going to remember that base hitting there and he dove in there like that. I mean he's two feet off the ground, flying through the air. And that's the way the statue, and that's a way of pitomize what Pete was. It's just damn it, Pete. You did it to her us, you did it to yourself, and and we're and we're have and then we have to talk about this. We have to talk about what was was your life and your life no matter how you want to do it. Forty two hundred hits now goes, no, he gambled. Real twenty one beats Ford, Real twenty one beats for fifty six. And that's that's the sad thing about it, because God could he played two hundred. I mean every year, hits, hits, hits, get in score, run, run the bases as good as anybody. And for a guy to give up a position as an All Star and be no. When when George Foster was traded over Tony, I mean, Smarty goes out to Pete's and I need you to play third Okay, it was second base. Then he goes to first base. I mean he created everything that he did. He with the determination and love for the game. I don't think anybody loved the game more than people.

In a slaughter. Yeah, he was known for that. And I did the head first slide, and then when I got up to Cincinnati, Pete was doing the head first slide, so I didn't do the hit first slide anymore. It's his deal. I mean, I've never seen anybody. I don't know if you can call it a slide. I mean the statue he has in front of his stadium is perfect. Yeah, that is absolutely Pete Rose. That's the way he dove into everything with agg aggressiveness. I mean you can see you can still look back at the nineteen seventy five World Series when he went into third if you're going to remember that base hitting there and he dove in there like that. I mean he's two feet off the ground, flying through the air. And that's the way the statue, and that's a way of pitomize what Pete was. It's just damn it, Pete. You did it to her us, you did it to yourself, and and we're and we're have and then we have to talk about this. We have to talk about what was was your life and your life no matter how you want to do it. Forty two hundred hits now goes, no, he gambled. Real twenty one beats Ford, Real twenty one beats for fifty six. And that's that's the sad thing about it, because God could he played two hundred. I mean every year, hits, hits, hits, get in score, run, run the bases as good as anybody. And for a guy to give up a position as an All Star and be no. When when George Foster was traded over Tony, I mean, Smarty goes out to Pete's and I need you to play third Okay, it was second base. Then he goes to first base. I mean he created everything that he did. He with the determination and love for the game. I don't think anybody loved the game more than people.

And I hear what you're saying, we should be talking about Pete the ballplayer, but he what he did overshadowed that. And it's just hard to get through the trees with.

And I hear what you're saying, we should be talking about Pete the ballplayer, but he what he did overshadowed that. And it's just hard to get through the trees with.

It's the greatest story ever forty two fifty six when he beat Cob, it was the greatest story. Nobody can beat Cop. Nobody there was impossible to beat Cop. And then he goes past it, and he goes past it. I mean, we can talk about Ripkin and his longevity and everything else. But Pete was out there for one hundred and ninety hits for thirteen years, and we brag about a guy who got one hundred and seventy. Now we look at the top hitters in the game of baseball and his batting titles and all the stuff, and all the runs that he scored and all the things, and no, we got to talk about this, And damn it, Pete, that's just not the way I wanted to end this. That's not the way I wanted to see you.

It's the greatest story ever forty two fifty six when he beat Cob, it was the greatest story. Nobody can beat Cop. Nobody there was impossible to beat Cop. And then he goes past it, and he goes past it. I mean, we can talk about Ripkin and his longevity and everything else. But Pete was out there for one hundred and ninety hits for thirteen years, and we brag about a guy who got one hundred and seventy. Now we look at the top hitters in the game of baseball and his batting titles and all the stuff, and all the runs that he scored and all the things, and no, we got to talk about this, And damn it, Pete, that's just not the way I wanted to end this. That's not the way I wanted to see you.

Go out, Stay healthy, Okay, work in my assof stay healthy. Thank you Daniel too, all right, love you, Johnny bench.

Go out, Stay healthy, Okay, work in my assof stay healthy. Thank you Daniel too, all right, love you, Johnny bench.

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He is mister Primetime.

He is mister Primetime.

He's Kirk de Cousins, the four time pro bowler throwing for five hundred and nine passing yards four touchdowns last night in the overtime win. And looks like you're joining us from a parking lot.

He's Kirk de Cousins, the four time pro bowler throwing for five hundred and nine passing yards four touchdowns last night in the overtime win. And looks like you're joining us from a parking lot.

Where are you?

Where are you?

Yeah, I uh just you know, we have the day off, and I got up and asked my son Cooper what he wanted to do.

Yeah, I uh just you know, we have the day off, and I got up and asked my son Cooper what he wanted to do.

He wanted to go to waffle house.

He wanted to go to waffle house.

So we're sitting here in a waffle house parking lot about to go have some breakfast together.

So we're sitting here in a waffle house parking lot about to go have some breakfast together.

Cooper's in the backseat. Cooper, you want to wave and say hello.

Cooper's in the backseat. Cooper, you want to wave and say hello.

But uh we'll be uh hey, Cot, We'll be.

But uh we'll be uh hey, Cot, We'll be.

Headed at the waffle house after this interview?

Headed at the waffle house after this interview?

Uhlen, did Cooper realize Dad won the game last night?

Uhlen, did Cooper realize Dad won the game last night?

Cooper went to bed in the fourth quarter, h Cooper seven And it was a dream of mine that I'd play long enough for my boys, my two boys seven and five, that they would be old enough to really get into it, really follow it.

Cooper went to bed in the fourth quarter, h Cooper seven And it was a dream of mine that I'd play long enough for my boys, my two boys seven and five, that they would be old enough to really get into it, really follow it.

I talked to my wife after the game. She said, Cooper went to bed in the fourth quarter.

I talked to my wife after the game. She said, Cooper went to bed in the fourth quarter.

He said he can't stay up, and Turner stayed up, but he really just stayed up because he didn't want to go to bed and he has no idea what's going on.

He said he can't stay up, and Turner stayed up, but he really just stayed up because he didn't want to go to bed and he has no idea what's going on.

So Dan, I got to play a few more years.

So Dan, I got to play a few more years.

So these guys, okay, But what's that like that highest of highs you're dancing after the game. It's overtime. You throw it for five hundred yards and then you get in your car and you go home.

So these guys, okay, But what's that like that highest of highs you're dancing after the game. It's overtime. You throw it for five hundred yards and then you get in your car and you go home.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I was driving by myself, you know, at one thirty in the morning on Highway eighty five back to my house, and you know, Atlanta's pretty quiet that time of night, and life goes on.

Yeah, I was driving by myself, you know, at one thirty in the morning on Highway eighty five back to my house, and you know, Atlanta's pretty quiet that time of night, and life goes on.

You know.

You know.

You you certainly enjoy the moment, and certainly today and this weekend feels great after a win and a good performance, but you also know that Monday's coming and it's time to get ready for the next opponent.

You you certainly enjoy the moment, and certainly today and this weekend feels great after a win and a good performance, but you also know that Monday's coming and it's time to get ready for the next opponent.

And that's how this league works.

And that's how this league works.

What was it like when you went into the huddle in overtime?

What was it like when you went into the huddle in overtime?

There was a lot of belief on the sideline, probably more belief than I had about Hey, let's we won the toss. Let's go down and get a touchdown and end it. You know, the defense and just guys in the team were saying, hey, we score, we win. And I thought, well, you guys are acting like it's easy to just go down and get a touchdown. But okay, and you know, sure enough, that's what we did. And we didn't really even have to put it back in Tampa's hands.

There was a lot of belief on the sideline, probably more belief than I had about Hey, let's we won the toss. Let's go down and get a touchdown and end it. You know, the defense and just guys in the team were saying, hey, we score, we win. And I thought, well, you guys are acting like it's easy to just go down and get a touchdown. But okay, and you know, sure enough, that's what we did. And we didn't really even have to put it back in Tampa's hands.

Do you have to go over overtime rules with your teammates?

Do you have to go over overtime rules with your teammates?

You know, there was a quick review.

You know, there was a quick review.

I mean, you have time, right, I mean, when when Ko makes the kick to send us to overtime, you have a few minutes with the TV timeout and things to kind of gather your thoughts. And the main point was, hey, it's only ten minutes. You know, this is not a fifteen minute quarter. It can end in a tie. Ten minutes is gonna go fast. It may only be two possessions, one for each team, and you know, let's make the most of our first shot we get and then so glad we won the toss, and then we alreadminded each other. If we score a touchdown, it's a walk off. It's game over.

I mean, you have time, right, I mean, when when Ko makes the kick to send us to overtime, you have a few minutes with the TV timeout and things to kind of gather your thoughts. And the main point was, hey, it's only ten minutes. You know, this is not a fifteen minute quarter. It can end in a tie. Ten minutes is gonna go fast. It may only be two possessions, one for each team, and you know, let's make the most of our first shot we get and then so glad we won the toss, and then we alreadminded each other. If we score a touchdown, it's a walk off. It's game over.

Okay, but you know you got pitch in London. Those are the go to guys. When do you realize you're going to go to a guy who has one other catch this year.

Okay, but you know you got pitch in London. Those are the go to guys. When do you realize you're going to go to a guy who has one other catch this year.

Yeah, Drake got hurt on the play before had to come out, so Caderill had been coming in all game long when Drake needed a blow. So he's subbed in like he had been for the whole game, and I just go out, you know, read out the play and it was man coverage and Cadero's route versus man coverage is not a winning route. But the corner was off enough that I thought, you know what, I guess my better judgment. I'm just going to drive this ball into him and not progress.

Yeah, Drake got hurt on the play before had to come out, so Caderill had been coming in all game long when Drake needed a blow. So he's subbed in like he had been for the whole game, and I just go out, you know, read out the play and it was man coverage and Cadero's route versus man coverage is not a winning route. But the corner was off enough that I thought, you know what, I guess my better judgment. I'm just going to drive this ball into him and not progress.

And it was tight.

And it was tight.

We found a way to complete it, and then from there it was just all individual effort and other guys blocking for him to be able to pull through and pull away.

We found a way to complete it, and then from there it was just all individual effort and other guys blocking for him to be able to pull through and pull away.

He's mister Primetime kirk Cousins joining us from a waffle house parking lot. Give me that mindset, that thought process. You know you're going to get hit, you know you got to take the hit, but you also have to throw the ball. What is that feeling like for you know, all of us who will never want to or will be able to experience that.

He's mister Primetime kirk Cousins joining us from a waffle house parking lot. Give me that mindset, that thought process. You know you're going to get hit, you know you got to take the hit, but you also have to throw the ball. What is that feeling like for you know, all of us who will never want to or will be able to experience that.

As long as there's a place to put the football, that's all I'm thinking about is where's the completion?

As long as there's a place to put the football, that's all I'm thinking about is where's the completion?

Can I throw it with conviction? Nowhere?

Can I throw it with conviction? Nowhere?

Nowhere it's got to go. Everything else doesn't really enter my mind or bother me. It's when you feel like you're about to get hit and you don't have a place to go with the football. That's when I feel pretty uncomfortable and unsettled.

Nowhere it's got to go. Everything else doesn't really enter my mind or bother me. It's when you feel like you're about to get hit and you don't have a place to go with the football. That's when I feel pretty uncomfortable and unsettled.

So I love it.

So I love it.

I love being able to chuck and duck and kind of make those plays where you have to anticipate and find that completion and you're picking yourself up off the turf. But it's when you're when you're just throwing the ball to nobody to throw it away, that that's when you get kind of frustrated.

I love being able to chuck and duck and kind of make those plays where you have to anticipate and find that completion and you're picking yourself up off the turf. But it's when you're when you're just throwing the ball to nobody to throw it away, that that's when you get kind of frustrated.

How's the Achilles, Yeah, it's coming along.

How's the Achilles, Yeah, it's coming along.

It's uh, it was good last night. I think more than the Achilles, for me has been playing fast. I don't think the first couple of weeks, I played fast with my eyes, with my reads, with my anticipation, with my confidence and where guys were going and how to trust them. And I think each week it improved. And then Thursday night last night, I just felt like I was starting to be my old self anticipate things, play fast, and I think that that was encouraging. And I noticed that in the first second quarter, and uh, and I you know when when you can do that, it's when it gets fun.

It's uh, it was good last night. I think more than the Achilles, for me has been playing fast. I don't think the first couple of weeks, I played fast with my eyes, with my reads, with my anticipation, with my confidence and where guys were going and how to trust them. And I think each week it improved. And then Thursday night last night, I just felt like I was starting to be my old self anticipate things, play fast, and I think that that was encouraging. And I noticed that in the first second quarter, and uh, and I you know when when you can do that, it's when it gets fun.

Okay, explain that playing fast?

Okay, explain that playing fast?

Well, I think, like like I was, I was hot at one point and Kyle Pitts had a route to the flat. In the end, the defensive end dropped and Kyle hasn't really broke into the flat. But I know I've got to get rid of the football, and so I just throw it to the flat. Really what feels like to me, I'm throwing it to nobody. I'm just throwing it to air. But there's a trust that Kyle's eventually going to put his left foot in the ground and break to the flat and hopefully meet the ball. So I just threw it and and sure enough Kyle rips out of the cut and makes the catch. And I thought, see that's a ball that against Pittsburgh or against Philly. I was throwing either leaving it inside, or I was you know, throwing it into the ground, or I was throwing it too far away. I wasn't just throwing it with conviction and trusting the Kyle is going to be there. So there were a couple others to drake on some option routes where you know, I was late in the first few weeks, and I felt like last night I was a little faster in my decision making you just rip it to him and let him go make a play.

Well, I think, like like I was, I was hot at one point and Kyle Pitts had a route to the flat. In the end, the defensive end dropped and Kyle hasn't really broke into the flat. But I know I've got to get rid of the football, and so I just throw it to the flat. Really what feels like to me, I'm throwing it to nobody. I'm just throwing it to air. But there's a trust that Kyle's eventually going to put his left foot in the ground and break to the flat and hopefully meet the ball. So I just threw it and and sure enough Kyle rips out of the cut and makes the catch. And I thought, see that's a ball that against Pittsburgh or against Philly. I was throwing either leaving it inside, or I was you know, throwing it into the ground, or I was throwing it too far away. I wasn't just throwing it with conviction and trusting the Kyle is going to be there. So there were a couple others to drake on some option routes where you know, I was late in the first few weeks, and I felt like last night I was a little faster in my decision making you just rip it to him and let him go make a play.

Your longest run of the season so far is.

Your longest run of the season so far is.

I don't even know. The one last night that bothered me was late in the game, probably third quarter. I progressed and drove a ball into Ray Ray McCleod when he was completely covered and the season just parted it.

I don't even know. The one last night that bothered me was late in the game, probably third quarter. I progressed and drove a ball into Ray Ray McCleod when he was completely covered and the season just parted it.

I just need to take off and run.

I just need to take off and run.

And that really has nothing to do with my achilles more just it's got to hit my brain that, hey, the sea's part to take off and run. You don't have to always be a pocket passer. And you know, that's where I want to always be looking to improve. Is it's great to throw for a lot of yards and have production in the pass game, but every now and then to go steal a few with my legs would really help our offense. I thought that's what Baker did really well last night, was he stole stole some plays with his legs at times when he could.