Hello the Internet, and welcome to season thirteen, episode two of Dos Daly's Eight Guys for January nine, two eighteen. My name is Jack O'Brien, a K. Monty Python's Life O'Brien. That's courtesy of at Master Smutch and I'm joined as always buy my co host, Mr Miles Gray Boy my Miles A. Grays Brunatomy. And thank you from Christopher Martin of cold Play for that suggestion. Yes, that was the little legit Christopher Martin from cold Play, not someone on Twitter. I mean I knew it was a fan, but he was good that he's contributed to the a K. A's and we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat for the first time. Uh the hilarious comedian and co host of the Bechdale Cast with crowd favorite Jamie loftus. Uh please welcome Caitlin TORONTEA. Hi, thank you having me, Thanks for being here. What is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? You? Oh? Um, I recently searched for porgy, which is a combination of a porg and a corky, because I was like, oh, did anyone come up with this idea yet? Because I'm pretty sure I I made this up and then someone had already Oh so you're doing that thing where it's like, did I just come up with something exactly? And I was like, I had to make sure I didn't steal it. But parallel thinking someone had already, you know, photoshop the face of a Yep, there it is the face of a porg onto a cordy body. But I don't think anyone has photoshopped the face of a corgy onto a porg's body. So I would like to trademark that right now so much. That is your intellectual property. Yes, um, I thought it was. I thought you're gonna do something about porgy and bess that's what That's where my mind goes. Parallel thinking is an amazing phenomenon. Like, uh, people would always pitch up stuff at cracked where we we had already done it, or then we would do something like at the exact same like on the same day that they pitched it. Maybe what you stole it. It's like we can't turn an article around in like two minutes. Um. One thing. I was sinking along that line a long time ago. I searched bi linguo because I thought of a mashup of the actress Bi ling and the Linguo the grammar robot from The Simpsons. Nobody thought that up because it's not necessary. At least yours makes sense. And I was not a millionaire. Look, bro, Bi Linguo, you know Linguo is dead anyway. Um, that's where my mind is. What's something you think is overrated? Would you allen? What's something? What's something you think is underrated? The movie Paddington, Yeah, okay about Paddington Bear. Yes, is that the new there's a new there's a new one coming out this Friday, I think. But the first movie I think came on or right around somewhere recently. Uh. And it is a great movie. I would say, better than Citizen Kane. Thank you very much. That's a take away. What makes Paddington so moving compelling? Oh man, I mean the first twenty minutes, everyone's like, oh, the first twenty minutes of up, cry, fast patting, it has nothing on Paddington. Paddington's first twenty minutes. You'll cry, you'll laugh, you'll have a you know, you just get very emotionally invested in this little bear. The movie is an allegory for immigration, and it was all these layers and it's just he's so sweet and endearing. It's just like a teddy bear looking thing with a big hat on, right, I mean not even he looks like a real bear in the movie like in the In the books, he looks more. I think, oh shit, it's about Wait, he's a Peruvian bear who's displaced by an earthquake. Yes, and I'm just reading the thing is like, after the earthquake destroys home in the Peruvian rainforest, a young bear makes his way to England in search of a new home. Damn, that's like the story of Salvadorans, I'm told is how you say it? Because they all got that like uh, temporary protect temporary protected status from because there were like two huge earthquakes. So that's very timely. Paddington is ahead of the Zeitgeid, but a xenophobic orange funck bag doesn't like rescind his ability to stay in the country. Right, Paddington is free to stay in the UK, yes, but um the family that sort of finds him and takes him in, the father is very reluctant to help him. And then you know the story infolds from there. But you know there's definitely, some allegorical animals have an accent. Paddington, Yeah he is. Well, okay, so he's he has a British accent even though he's from Peru. But how do you finesse that a British um explorer finds these this beare family in darkest Peru and then he teaches them English so they adopt his British accent. Yes, I remember Paddington being and I would say English accent surprisingly from my fans out there. Okay, I remember Paddington being surprisingly well received by critics, like I think it was I'm Rotten Tomatoes seventy seven on Metacritic. Uh, Paddington two Metacritic. That like Oscar Picture Territory. I guess I'm gonna cry to Paddington tonight. Yeah seriously, Um, all right, let's get into format. We're trying to take a sample of the ideas that are out there changing the world. We talked about pop culture, the news, but yeah, we're just generally trying to take the temperature of the global share consciousness. Miles. Where are we at? You know, I think we're holding steady. It's still hot. It's still hot. Yeah, there's still there's still a lot going on. There's still a lot going on, and we like to open by asking our guests what is something that that global share consciousness thinks is true that you know, to be a myth that men are funnier than women or that women aren't funny. Those are myths and I know this from my personal experience from being very funny. Now. Um yeah, I mean it's I don't know if this is a I think it is a global thing. I don't know if it's super pressing right now. I um, it might be irresponsible for me, but I am not. I'm not super keeping up with the latest news for mental health reasons. Um. I people tell me what's happening, and then I'm like, oh, that's the story I should know about. But I'm not reading the news, so I might um, you might be you know, saying things and I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about. We don't have any idea. We're on the same pole. Great, wonderful, um. But yeah, so this isn't like a hot news topic that people are going around right now being like women aren't funny. Um, but that is a myth that um, I wish to debunk right here and right now. Yeah, is that something you encounter a lot as a stand up Like do you hear that? I mean, still guy, not from my peers as and like the people that I choose to surround myself with the other communities who I call friends. Um, but you know I do. I host an open mic, so I see open mic comics who aren't. Not to say that all of them are like this, but there's plenty who are, like, you know, they go up there and they say very sexist material, racist stuff, homophobic stuff, mediocre white man who I feel a lot of self confidence weird. Um. Yeah, I've like people non comedy, people who I encounter like uncles who are like in their fifties, and you know, they'll say stuff like yeah, even though she's like a woman, I really like her stand up And I'm like, that's not a separate genre that is heard about this woman. Yeah, yeah, it's really It's persistent, um. And I mean women have been the funniest thing on TV for a long time. So I feel like anybody who still believes that myth is uh hasn't been paying attention for like the past fifteen years, I think. But they're watching, like naked night anyway, right right, um, all right, that's a that's a good one. Let's get into the stories of the day. Um. H and M are Itch and M the sort of knockoff fashion brand where you can get all the hottest looks from last year's fashion week for like five to fifteen dollars um. They just released a I guess it was a catalog or an advertisement with a black boy wearing a T shirt that said the Coolest Monkey in the Jungle, and Twitter had a fit. I mean, I don't get everybody. Everybody. I mean, it's a fucking crazy easy Okay. I don't know how the fuck H and M lets something like this see the light of day, right, Okay, let's if you go through it. Either they're intentionally racist or they'll say we're so sorry, we don't know how this happened. And if it's ignorance, that means they're not enough people of color along the chain of command for this ad to get to for them say fuck out of here, fire whoever the funk thought this is a good idea, we can't have this, which brings us to the point. You see this kind of ship with like Zara, they had a shirt that looked like a concentration camp uniform. Urban offitters fucking up constantly with their controversial ship. They like a ganesh like throw blanket, or they had a the Kent State bloody sweatshirt. It makes you think, is this on purpose? Now? Are like the brands is fucking doing this ship? So we talk about them because look, H and M has succeeded, They got lebron everybody is on like, everybody's talking about HTM right now, and you can look at their website off sale, right, So this is how they decided to like get a little spike of interest. Yeah, it's I don't know, you's got to be better ways than to be horrifically racist, though, like well they aren't. They take just doing other things. I don't know, maybe they just they just see like a raw data. The amount of impressions or the amount of mentions or at the like just their name the amount of name checks that happened as a result of this stuff is probably you know, any publicity is good publicity, right if it's if you're if you have that kind of like ancient mentality. I mean it's interesting because H and M stock has been like like not in a good place, to say the least, and like analysts, analysts like recommend you sell their stock that was even before this, so they're not in a good place. So maybe this is like a hail Mary thing, like where they're like urban outfitters, like people like Dove, Like you know, there there are many brands who you think should know better. And happens too frequently that it's like, what's what's going right? They're counting on this like making a splash on the internet, but like not really causing any lasting damage. It seems like, and we should make sure it does cause cause lasting damage and boycott H and M. It's a shitty company. It's just so hard to get people like like, I don't know that there's I feel like people need to figure out how to effectively start boycotting products because like that's really the only way that that really companies listen because they're you know, they're all they're worried about our their profit margins. So now when I when I tell people to boycott, like the whole country just boycotts. That's true, And you're missing in your power, my man, I told you yesterday you used tell Twet tweeted out that you're no longer wearing H and M. The hard thing about boycotting something, though, is that if you were to boycott all the problematic companies, there's really almost nothing left to buy except for homespun clothing. Oh yeah, yeah, well wait with that, I mean like literally homespun like you would like on a loom, not a company, just making your own take it into your own hands. But that does sound like a brand home homespun clothing brought to you by Miles. Yes, I don't know, it's again. It's one of those things too, because it's been written up a few times, especially with urban outfitters, because they do it so frequently that people in the PR world say, there's no way you can funk up that frequently and it not be on purpose. Yeah, unless you just the worst hiring like process aff and you're like, yeah, sure, that's what they say about urban outfitters, right, because they like have one of these every six months because every they just like feed us diet of really controversial offense Chinese man costume and the ghetto ghetto wappoli like Monopoly board game. Everybody loves a jewelish girl with the dollar science t shirt. Uh, New Mexico cleaner than regular Mexico T shirt. Uh Navajo hipster panties. Uh the holic they did a Holicos shirt. It's like, do they think they're being edgy? Like what that's what we think? Like? Is that? Yeah? Maybe right there? Like I I can guarantee that during one of those meetings they were like the sex pistols, you know, they had like Swastika's we want this T shirt to be like our set pistol swastika. Um, it's how I envision going swastica again, right um h? And m is Swedish? So is there maybe something where because not only is their boardroom exclusively white, but their entire country is like all of just white people that. Um. I also know that European countries like will yell monkey and ship during uh soccer games. Yeah, they can't feign ignorance on that. Like the the equating black people to monkeys and apes thing is global, so you can't you can't play the we need new card on this one. But European countries seem to be like quicker with that like reference than I imagine Americans are. So maybe that's it. It's like part of some sort of European naive racism or something. I mean, I just don't I don't know if that's everybody excuses anything. I'm just saying in terms of whether it was intentional or not, like whether whether this could have because you know, it's a it's an ad for a major company that's traded on the stock market. This is like hitting there, like their stock is turning down a little bit, not as much as when they released their sales figures, but it's turning down slightly. And so I'm just wondering, like, you know, twenty people looked at this add and we're like, you know this this photograph was picked out of probably a thousand photographs that were taking that day. Well, I'm sure if you think about it, like the way that set worked, unless they're like photoshopping the designs on the models after the fact, someone on on that set was like, Okay, and put this child in the coolest monkey in the jungle hoodie and take a picture. I don't know if there's anybody of color on that set to be like, hey, I don't know if you won't really do that, or if maybe it's not their places. Yeah that's yeah, it's really you Okay, so it's not like the kid yet. I was gonna say, because I'm always curious about ads like that that are extremely offensive. The model I mean has to I guess, agree to wearing whatever or doing whatever. Um, if it's a kid, probably wouldn't, you know, be inclined to speak up. But who knows if their parent was there and they'd be like, don't dress my child. Yeah, there's got to be um. But you see plenty of ads like that where there's like an adult person of color featured, and you have to wonder like do they put up any sort of protest or for them it's a paycheck. They probably can't. Really don't feel like they're in a position to contest whatever it is because they're like, well, I'll get fired and then I won't get the money that I thought I was going to do this job. So I think I think one thing they've just consider, even if they're right, it's everybody who works there or in the decision making seats is white. Their global brand, So you have a global responsibility. You have you have stores in Africa, you have store in the Middle East, you have stores in Asia, So then you need to refine your process to make sure you're not just fucking offending everybody because it's just I don't know, I'm got smacked. Um yeah, so fuck h and M that's that's insane. Um. We also, so the college football playoff was last night, Uh and Alabama one. As I predicted, it was a pretty good game. Uh. President Trump was in attendance, and uh, the there are cameras focused on him during the national anthem, as it would be if he's the president United and somebody for whom the national anthem is incredibly important. And it has caused him to, you know, alienate half the nation by and you know, get people to rise up against these spoiled athletes who are disrespecting the national anthem by kneeling during it. And uh, he didn't seem like he knew the words, so the nationally But are you surprised. Is anyone's surprised? Yeah? You are. How do you get to be president of the United States and not know the words of the national anthem? Like, I mean, I think we're past that being a reason, Like how do you get the president you don't know the nation? It's like, how do you get the president and you're a sex offender? How do you the president because you're the national anthem, like constantly as the president of the United States, aren't people like play that ship when you walk into the room? I think it's hailed to the chief when you want. Even so he's how old he's had seventy years to hear it and absorbed the lyrics, I don't really care. I mean, like he's this is the least offensive thing to me that an old guy who probably has diminished mental capacity doesn't remember a song that even people who sing it publicly funk up on. Uh. So like, yeah, this is the this is the least of our works right now. But it's interesting because the way he does it too, is like he starts off being like, oh, say, can you see and then he gets like maybe a couple of standars. Even at the beginning, he's a little behind the singer, like he's letting them like say the word before he goes in. But yeah, then this is like one of the most identifiable things I've seen him do because it's like when you're like singing in church or you know, trying to act like you know the words to a song. Uh, and he's like, you know, acting like he was singing that word already, maybe mumbling over the lyrics. But then he also does this thing where like he totally just full on pulls the ejector button ejection lever and just doesn't sing for certain price because he know. He's like, I can't even fake mouth lyrics. And it reminds me of like man growing up. You know I love hip hop? You love hip hop? Yes, one of I I can identify with this because there are times I try and sing along to a rap song and like us, start off mad, confident, and then part way through, I realized, oh wait, I don't know all the words of this part case some point Woutang Clan's song Triumph off the album Wu Tang Forever Um. You know, maybe I can illustrate this better. Nick, please drop the beating. Okay, So you know he's like, what y'all thought you wasn't gonna see me? I'm the trump of this ship, this team, all right, my Zeke Yang and my zeke gang of rats. Let's do it like this. I'm gonna rub your grass to the moon shine. Let's say get back to seventy nine and then would go up amatomically Socrates Philosophies like disease can't define out, I'll be dropping these bacoies lyrically robbery flee with the lottery slid me. So listen the thing at the end. It's it's hard. Yeah, Jack, you you kind of you could. You could hype man the song, but I had to inspect that. I had to be the inspected. Yeah, exactly, lobotomy phlebotomus um. So yes, that's why I, for once in my life, I identified with the struggle to recall the lyrics. But also, I mean, look, this is the least of our problems with this man. Yeah. Think it's funny that, Yeah, it was. It's fun to watch. I just think it's interesting, as Superproducer and Hosniad say, in this climate, all right, we're gonna take quick break. We'll be right back, and we're back. So we wanted to talk. Apparently, Ivanka Trump tweeted, uh, you know, eldest daughter and adviser to President of the United States Donald Trump. We just mentioned him before the break ard of him. Uh. She praised the speech given by Oprah Winfrey about you know, that's parked the rumors that she might run for president, which is kind of crazy because she's talking about like, you know, how empowering and inspiring it was. And I think she closed it out with time's up exclamation point. UM. Yeah, it's almost like she hasn't heard of her father or something. Um. So we wanted to take this opportunity to just go through we We've covered a couple of people who have accused him of sexual assault in the past. We're gonna try and take you through like all of it and just uh kind of give you an idea of where we're at with this guy and his accusers, because you start to notice a lot of like similarities between the accusations and uh, you also can pick up on trends based on what he said on that Hollywood Access Hollywood tape and what what these women allege. Here's here's my questions off top, because she was getting dragged on Twitter clearly because of all of the things her father did. But what's the line with holding someone holding her accountable for this other man's actions, right, because I understand that she's not the one, uh perpetrating these actions. But I guess it's because it's the complicity. Because you know that the people use the same logic with Hillary and Bill of like, you know, look at look at your husband did blah blah blah. I don't think it's fair just to hold her accountable for this man's actions. But I can see how tone deaf the tweet is. Or then, and I just want to raise a question. Do you think Ivanka knows what she's doing and that she is trying to like subtly take a job at her father? Is it that she lives in a vacuum where she's such an enabler to her father that she doesn't even believe what's being said about him, or I don't know. I'm just curious to know what people's thoughts are on that part of like what the motivation is, because it's weird. She always tries to walk this very fine line of like half sleep half wokeness thing that it's like, it's really weird. Yeah, it's almost a line that's so fine it doesn't exist because it's like in two separate places at the same time, which you can't be in completely different places at the same time. Does she have history it possibly like making subtle jabs at her father, or does she seem to be mostly supportive. Well, it's not the first time she's advocated for something that's like diametrically opposed to her father's philosophy, or she does it in a very positive, confident way, like at the r n C she talked about how this was going to be like the most feminist progressive administration, and you, like to the point that you like believed it, or at least you believed that she believed it, and then that has not been the case. So I think she's she is just high on her own supply. She just like is able to. Uh that's my new favorite phrase. She's just able to like I don't know, it's cognitive dissonance, it's her mind is able to just makes sense of two completely contradictory realities. Uh. And when she can't make those two things work together, she takes us sleeping pill like we learned in Fire and Furious, just like, all right, I'm going to sleep, Guys, dad's committing crimes. I'm gonna chemically Homer Simpson on out of the room. Uh. So, speaking of planes, let's kick things off in the nineteen eighties with Jessica Leads. Uh, she was on an airplane. The guy sitting next to her started, uh groping her and reaching up her skirt. Uh and uh, later on she would recognize him. This was kind of before Trump was nationally famous. She eventually recognized him as the guy who Donald Trump and like the Trump family became like kind of more famous in her town. And she saw him at some sort of like charity dinner and he walked up and said, I remember you. You were the cunt woman from the airplane. So that's how we kicked things off. There is Kristin Johnson in the early nineties again put his hand up this woman's skirt before it seems like he even said a word to her. Uh so pretty much the thing he bragged about on the Access Hollywood tape. But yeah, she again she just describes like looking over and this guy's reaching up her skirt and it's Donald Trump. Yeah that one. Um. Next up, Jill Hearth had a business deal with Trump. Uh and you know, she was super excited. He was funding her and her boyfriend, you know, Life Partners project that they've always wanted to do, and he invited them down to mar Lago to uh, you know, closed the deal. And while she and her husband were on a tour, he pulled her into one of his children's bedrooms and you know, attempted to rape her. This is in mar Lago. In mar Lago. Yeah, Jane doeh. This is the thirteen year old girl you heard a lot about in the run up to the election. She claims that Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein raped her when she was thirteen at a series of parties, and then Jeffrey Epstein later played guilty too, so listing young women. Uh and uh. There's also a report that Jeffrey Epstein used to use marl Lago as a way to like recruit underage women. Um, and Trump isn't involved in that. But that's like a civil suit that was brought. And it's just crazy to realize that the news is so fucking bonkers that like a lawsuit alleging that one of the president's properties was a hotbed for recruiting underage sex workers and like it was barely noticed by anyone. I it's uh, yeah, just put in my gas of disbelief. It's just crazy again, right any other person. Typically the media will hold their feet to the fire. I think the media is really fucking up too, because it's easy to just talk about whatever is the story to Jore for Trump when these are like really really really fucking troubling things, and this dude is on fucking wax saying I grabbed women by the pussy or like, you know, he someone is accusing uh him and Jeffrey Epstein of this kind of behavior, and then Jeffrey Epstein is actually pleading out to courting women as young as fourteen, and then these assholes are talking about Trump forgetting the words to the National Land, and then you got us being like doing triumph covers. But like, I just still I don't know, Like I just want to bring this up in the middle of it. I don't mean to derail it, but like what, I don't know, at what point does the media also have to take this seriously too, because man, this should this should have already kept this man out of even running, you know. Yeah, but that wouldn't stop with someone like Donald Trumps. He's entitled what he thinks he has. He has the money and the influence to be like, oh, I can squash these He probably doesn't even think what he was doing was assault. He like he just feels so entitled to women's bodies that he's like, yeah, I can touch a woman wherever, and that's my right, like he is, he's such a god, but that's his belief system, right. But then don't we as society have the responsibility to correct people, like to pop people's bubbles. And I just feel like we haven't really done a good job of popping this dude's bubble, being like I'm sorry, we don't live there, Like this is this is not how, this is not how human beings are supposed to pay well. I mean there's when you, uh, present allegations towards someone like Donald Trump with a lot of money and power and influence, a lot of people would assume that these women are just coming out because they want, right, they was some of that money. Um that almost never happens, if not never had, Like it never happens that way. There's no reason not to believe these women, Like yeah, but you're gonna have so many shitty people being like, oh, they're just this is just a money grab. That's why, uh, these women are coming forward. And that's such a dangerous message to keep perpetuating, right especially now too, Like we're I think you know, we're trying to move past this era of of women being afraid to come out into the open and hold men accountable for the for this kind of ship. And yeah, when you think about this woman to the Jane Don and like she pulled her suit because she's getting like death threats and all these other things, and like it's easy to believe because that was the pre Weinstein era of how women were treated who are coming forth with accusations and I'm just I feel like we this this has to be revisited, you know, like especially because now there's an openness and there's an understanding, there's empathy that people are willing to take this ship seriously. And I feel like we're sucking up on this too because we've got the biggest a alleged uh you know sex cram like running point for the country. And it's crazy that, like it shouldn't have to be this way, but that's just how her society works. Where it's like timing is everything. Where since like the post Harvey Wine scene, news breaking like that has prompted a lot of other people to come forward in a way that they are now more believed than they probably wouldn't because remember James Franco and how a few years ago everyone's like, oh you uh were praying on an underage woman, but no one's really talking about that anymore. And he just won a Golden Globe because it didn't It didn't happen at the right time. It didn't happen in this post Harvey Wine scene era of holding men accountable for their abuse and harassment. So yeah, I get like the time is now for Donald Trump too, but like it just sucks that it has to happen in this like narrow window of time where people will be like, oh, well, yeah, that this these stories are probably true. It's just very infuriating. Women should be able to come forward at any point and and be believed receipts are receipts, you know what I mean. There's no there's no anyway. We might as well address the James Franco thing. But because we kind of talked around it yesterday, but I mean, I've read the actual transcripts of his conversations with the seventeen year old girl. I've also seen people on Twitter defending him and being like, well, he didn't do anything, like nothing came of it, so like let's focus on the real problems. But he was still trying to lure a seventeen year old girl when he knew she was a seventeen year old girl to his room like to have sex with him. And then you know, eventually when she made it difficult for him and she was like yeah maybe all like or said she told one of her friends. He was like, by uh so it wasn't the fact that she was an underaged child that dissuaded him. So anyway, sorry, we can, we can move on. I just felt like we had to kind of yeah, no, no, no, absolutely, you talk about like a double standard. If someone was sexually assaulted at a y m c A that Obama had worked out at once, like the right wing media would it would be called like y m c A Gate and they would be NonStop, like trying to get nailed on his fucking head, right that that would be like what the first thing they brought up? And this is just the fucking laundryless, Like this is so extensive and detailed, and there is trends and there's a lot of peripheral information that would corroborate it. It's just and people who are predators usually make a habit out of that type of behavior, Like it's usually not a one time thing, like it's a pattern of behavior, and I mean you can say that he doesn't necessarily at different points think it's assault, But I mean some of this stuff is just so much like you know, we we've talked about other people, you know, being like, you know, rape is not always guy like pulls you into a like stairwell or something like. That's actually what he's doing in a lot of these cases, He's like pulling women against their will into like rooms. Just because he like owns the stairwell doesn't make it any less of like him being a cartoon rapist. So there's a whole genre of these where he just barges into uh Miss teen USA contestants and without like knocking, and everybody like scatters and it's like why is he doing this? And he just kind of walks around, and I was like, yeah, it's great. You get to look at women half naked. That's also I think a thing that's referenced in the Acts of Hollywood tape. And these are underage girls too, which is another theme too, Is he likes younger women. Yeah, it's it's a I mean, he was already talking about how fuckable his daughter was when she was like fourteen years old. There's a former Miss Teen USA contestant who alleges that he hugged her inappropriately and would walk into the dressing room. Uh. Yeah, there's just a whole string of these Trump barging into changing rooms. So yeah, he clearly had a tactic that he wanted to use. The next one is Rachel Crooks, who we've already kind of gone into detail. But he invited a Trump tower and then you know, forcibly kissed her. Uh. Two thousand five, This one's incredible. A People magazine journalist named Natasha Stoynof was writing an article about Donald Trump and Melania's Trump's first wedding anniversary. Uh. And she says, we walked into that room alone and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me up against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. Two thousand six. Jessica Drake, he forcibly kissed and grabbed her and two friends inappropriately. She was an adult film performer. And he also like always says the same thing. He's like, oh, come on, which I guess isn't that original, but it just does seem like something you could Yeah, that's what a spoiled fucking child, says, who guess, whatever the funk they want, you know what I mean, It's just like, come on, I'm not used to get anyone. Come on, come on, come on, you'll come on to you come the title to these women's bodies. Another former Miss USA contestant says Trump personally inspected each woman prior to the contest, to the point where she says it was the dirtiest I felt in my entire life. Inspect Yeah, I don't know what. In two thousands, he was on Letterman and backstage he grouped Ninny Lasen. But she's former Miss Finland. Uh so, yeah, it's type then sum Reserve os uh we we've talked about her before. But she's an Apprentice winner who he invited, who he invited to a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel and did creepy Ship too, and super producer Nick just like wanted to bring the attention to He also says in that tape, right, they let you do it right like in that in the Access Hollywood tape just further underlines the mentality is that he can't even he's either willfully not processing or has the inability to process the fact that he's violating these people because he's like, oh, they let you do it. It's like why because they didn't like plot a gun and shoots you point blank? They let you do it. I don't know. Interesting and interesting look into this man's entitled The Deviant Mind. Well, um, like there's the fight or flight response, but there's also like free eason, like, oh I'm being assaulted. Some people just concutive reaction is to just be like shut down. That's what I do. Like when I'm like threatened or like in a like scarier nervous situation, my brain just stops working. Like I have never won a single argument with my wife, because like my fight or flight is just brain shuts down. And then I'm just like, yeah, so he's probably just interpreting. He might he's interpreting that is, oh, this is consent. He doesn't even understand the concept. That's intense fear that has paralyzed someone. Yeah. Um. And then the most recent one is Cassandra Searles, miss USA contestant, who surprised Trump groped her and inviter back to his hotel room, as she said, he probably doesn't want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room. Uh so that was just five years ago. Yeah, so let's Yeah, the purpose of this was not just like from everyone out, but like it bears repeating, right, Ivanka, this is a long list, and who knows this is an incomplete list. I'm sure you know what I mean. So, uh, you know that's cool. Uh shouts to Oprah because the speech was great. But Ivanka, you need to remember where you are in the context of all of this. Either you are the greatest enabler of your father, you are horribly complicit, You're I don't know, but we we saw the tweet and we're like, wow, I think people just need to be reminded just how just how vile. We've also seen her. We've also seen him grab her s like on national TV, and you've seen her like you to like you can you know, help a lot of people out? Yeah, she has the platform, like if she is a true feminist and ally and everything, like she has to like tell her father to fuck off, like like I'm not a part of this family anymore. If those rumors are true that she wanted to run for president. That's she could push her boat out on that, like being like I literally I'm disowning my father. This is your chance to go down in history, like on the right side of history, as opposed to going down as like uh, someone in the bunker with Hitler. Yeah, but that is state tax is I gotta stay in that will Um? All right, We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. And we're back and we have superproducer annajsnie A here and we're talking about the upcoming live action remake of Aladdin. Uh. Aladdin was a big movie for you guys. It seems like sorry. So I was talking to Caitlin and Miles because they were like singing the songs to it, not not to your people. And during the break, Miles and Miles and Caitlin were singing a song and saying they know a lot of words to it. So is it is this something that was on your it? Are sorry? Sorry that the live action remakers? Yes, I heard about it because everyone was like, wow, they hired a person of color to actually be an Aladdin, right, But I know that created some controversy too. It's because Jake killen Hall was busy, right is that? Sure they wanted to mister out there and video game fans um, but they are now getting some blowback because apparently they are, you know, for their background actors. They are just taking white people and you know, giving them a spray tan essentially like darkening their skin with makeup and then uh yeah, just throwing them out there. And you know, Guy Richie's like, no, it's only the guy Richie is the filmmaker. They have decided to give this movie too. Yeah, why Guy Richie, of all fucking directors, I don't know. He just fucked up the Sword in the Stone story of the King Arthur, and now they're like, here, let's give you another huge franchise. Did you like Sherlock Holmes. I thought it was fun. I thought it was fun, But I don't think he's made a good movie since Snatch. I'm sorry, was a Man from Uncle by Guy Richie. Yes, I like that one. It was family friendly. I mean I just feel like based on his like, you know, locks, there's lockstock, you know, like in Snatch, like he had had a very unique aesthetic that I thought was really cool. But I guess you can evolve over time, not to say that you have to stay in. But it's like he's evolving to not making as good of movies. Yeah, the trend seems downward, right, well ever since Madonna left. Yeah, see that's what happens. So where is Aladdin set? Is there a specific animated which is made up? Right? So, but that's just it's like an It's like an Arab Persian reach And technically I want to assume Agribba is probably like Afghanistan ish area, but of course I do not know, do not because it's made up. Yes, it's completely made up. Yeah, but the whole where's the actual story come from? Though? Is that a foreign creation or is that actually like the floor? Um, it comes from the stories of the one thousand and one Nights, which was a story about from Shahrazad and but based off our me and superproducer next research this morning. Um. It was written in in like the eighteen hundreds by a European um like translator. He added to it and originally I guess it was based in China. So it's like this really weird story that they took and I guess redid for Disney. But yeah, so some European translator side just added in because it's I guess came up with the story and decided it was now part of one thousand and one Nights. Is the is like a fictional character, or she's that she's a she's a character in the one thousand one Nights, which is Arabian Nights. She's the queen of this kingdom in Arabian Nights, and she tells these stories. Yes, kind of one of these interwoven within them. Yeah, Aladdin was added later. It's not part of the original set of stories. So Europeans, you know, why are they what's even the explanation for why you couldn't just hire people who don't need makeup for their skin to appear darker people color, Like, what is there? I think maybe that they don't have the the extras for it. I mean, it's a it's a shitty it's a shitty reason. But I'm sure that's probably what they think, that it's easier to just get all these white people who want to be in a movie who they can just spray tan in. But they are not right about that there, So I'm sure they could go to these countries and pull actual people as extras. As another director and he was like, talent exists and as it's accessible, and there's no way that Asian extras couldnot have been hired to meet the needs of the film. Failing to hire on screen talent of the radar ethnic identity to meet the clear needs of this production is just plain wrong. We expect better from all filmmakers, right, Yeah, you know what, who wouldn't have done that? Like an Arabic director? Why did they hire guy Regie? Like it's gonna be very fast talking, a lot of quick, quicker edits, you know, something like fat Boys. You have to watch the subtitles. Actually a heists, like a big heist thing. Yeah, the genies British there for the genie is dead mouse. It's gonna be cool. Well I guess that there. So the quote is from Disney. There's a great care was taken to put together one of the largest most diverse casts ever seen on screen. Uh, diversity of our cast and background performers was a requirement, and only in a handful of instances when it was a matter of specialty skills, safety and control were crewe made up to blend in. I don't buy that because Disney has a lot of money. That is a weirdly somewhat racist statement due to safety and control, Like what would happen if you put some Arabs. I think they're trying to say, like stunt people, like they didn't have enough Asian stunt people. The people like handling horses, if you care, you can find somebody. Are you a person of color who knows how to handle horses? Hit us up and we'll fly you out here or whatever, or like the other directors saying, just go to a country where that is probably accessible. I'd imagine there are people who know how to handle horses all around world, but it's being made by Disney and they don't have much of a budget, so yeah, it's tough for them. They're already the cheapest motherfucker's well. Another thing that was making people very angry is that they for Jasmine, they cast Naomi Scott I believe her name is, who is an Indian American actress, and that really upset people who were like, no, it should have been an Arab actress. And I understand and that it does feel like that it is like an Arab cultured film, and that they should have went out of their way to find one of these like Arab actresses who gets basically no time because she's a brown woman and only white women are cast these days. But at the same time, like, this is a discussion I had on my podcast Ethnically Ambiguous with my co host Shrine over is it okay that they cast an Indian woman because technically she has a brown woman or should they have gone for Arab And while I understand that they should have gone and cast an Arab woman in this role, I also feel like it's not okay to like shut out Indian people and say, sorry, you're Indian, you can't have this, which is it's not fair because these are also brown people who had only one brown princess growing up. It Jasmine was every brown girl's princess. And even if you're Indian, if you're Arab, if you're a Persian, I'm black and Japanese is the only like I'm Addin. Yeah, like two different types of brown people shouldn't have to fight over a single role because we're fighting over literal scraps, you know what I mean. And yeah, I feel like it was what it is the first time for people who are millennials, older eighties, third eighties kids, whatever, that you saw a brown Disney character and that that kind of just became everybody's you know, like like, oh, ship, there it is. For the first time, it feels negligent to put brown people against each other and be like, well, what how brown are you when it's like we were all brown and we all looked up at this one princess and said there's me. That's the princess that represents me. So I do agree. You know, it would have been nice for them to go and actually find an Arab actress who you haven't heard of and bring her into the light and show that these you know, we're out here right, us brown women are out here at the same time. It's not like, oh great, another Indians, right, they don't supposed to be real. Before that, I could only look up to uh, a Jamaican crab named Sebastian or whatever then his name was. It's just like relax, yeah, And I was like, oh ship kiss together, and I'm like, yeah, I think that's got to be a black man doing that voice. And that's all the fun we had was like cool, that's the closer ship. We talked about that on Yesterday's or talked about Little Mermaid on yesterday's Bechdel Cast that I recorded with you guys, and that I should have mentioned that song because that's a song that's like force yourself on the girl. Just kiss her. It doesn't matter if she's ready or not. Um, yeah, a little mermaid's problematic. Yeah, she's all right. That's all the time we have, Caitlin, it's been a goddamn pleasure having you. Thank you so much for having me time here today. Where where can people find you? You can follow me on Twitter at Caitlin Dronte and you can check out my podcast, The Bechdel Cast, where we talk about the portrayal of women in movies and how it's usually surprised not very good, and you can follow that on at Bechtel Cast on Twitter. It's such a good it's a great podcast. Thank you already said that. No, I'm a bigger fan, Miles. Would you care to comment on the podcast? Oh, I love I'm just not saying thing because you haven't invited me to come on yet. So we're right up there at the top of the And I would like to do No Escape with Rayiota. There are no women in that movie. You guys will recommend Dunker well, there's at least there's a physical form of a woman in it. I'm pretty sure no Escape doesn't have even a fucking there's not even one woman who appeared like sneak By in the middle because it's about a fucking weird, crazy island where convicts are killing each other. Anyway, that's Miles working. People follow you. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles up Great Anna Work. You can follow me on Twitter at Anna hosting a and you can listen to my podcast Ethically m Biguous on iTunes and wherever you find podcasts, and it will soon be on Housetiff Works, so you cannot a big eas coming. That's what we call it here behind the scene epic eye roll from Anna, and you can follow me at Jack Underscore Brian. You can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter at the Daily ze Guist on Instagram, we have Facebook fan page. Just search daily Zeitgeist and you'll find that. And we have a website Hess dot com where we post our episodes in our foot where we link off to all the articles we used us sources for each episode. And that's gonna do it for today. Uh, Miles any songs to throw to. Uh can I can I request Scary hours um cash still rules off of Wu Tang Forever. Yeah, my favorite song with like a super deep cut. For all you guys who were ever questioning uh Jack's Wu Tang credentials, let him know that he's listening to what track four off disc one on Wu Tang Forever one of the forgotten tracks. Yeah it's it's forgotten, wildly underrated. Check it out up and that's gonna do it for today. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. 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