Hello the Internet, and welcome to season twenty two, episode one of Daily's eight Guys for March twelve, two thousand eight. Team, my name is Jack O'Brien aka working too Hard can give you a heart of jack ack ack ack. You want to know? That is courtesy of Billy Joel, but also Andy Sculling at Skulling Andy on Twitter. Uh, and you know courtesy of Billy Joel. And I am joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Pray Ye Bray. I don't want to be your daddy, uh, just want you my caddy. Uh. That is an aks courtesy of Billy Joel. Also courtesy of Billy Joel, Andre three sacks and outcast. But that was from many people on Twitter, so I don't want to give it to one person, but that one reached a tipping point, so yes, I triggered the a k a oh. Also it's marsh Wealth. Shout out to the homies Chris and Mike whose birthday it is you'll have the exact same birthday and you met because of me. I hope you guys have really great time. Wow. Uh and we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by Jabron Selim, How are you hey? I'm good? Uh, Debron James Jabron Sliem a k A in uh in high school at a A A well in smestent screen name of the notorious g I B. Which I flipped b I G rest in Peace March nine, a couple of days ago. That's right, Um yeah, rest in power. Yeah. So I don't have a song where your big hip hop huge hip hop? So I still am I like rise against Yeah, huge hip hop head. Okay, although I'm wearing a card again, I don't look like a hip hop What does a hip hop head look like? I mean everybody, Jordan, everybody, I feel like Jordan's I've never owned. I'm wearing some I don't know, look like prescriptions orthopedics. Yes, exactly, prescription orthopedic. Oh no, you got some like what uh not, like a wing tip, but what they're called, they're really old. I just keep I keep repairing them. Oh really, yeah, I didn't even know you could do that. But you can't like having him resold and stuff. I live in New York. There's also like a guy on the street who has a you got a shoe guy, I gotta shoe guy, and he'll just fix them up when they break. That's just not Daniel day Lewis, is it. No, it's not, although you know because yeah, well he works as a cobbler in between movies. That's actually his next role, so he could be, you know, preparing there's a there's a place out here where you can get your sneakers to the cobbler by Adams. Seen that, no I have? How was it's terrible? I only watched terrible films on Netflix. So wait, you said there's somebody who resold sneakers out here. He does not resold them, but like fixing them up makes them look new. I guess cleans them. You mean like Jason Mark. I don't know who may sneaker head or yeah, yeah yeah, or to but yeah, definitely. But we don't walk as much, so you can have your sneakers looking fly like walking through New York constantly. We'll do some damage to your yeah and your soul. Just wish that the same for a lot of people. Jabram, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are as a human being? Oh man, the revealing of who who I am as a human being. I wasn't thinking we'll be judging you either way. My I mean, I've I've searched a lot of things recently, but one is, um, my hair is growing out. I guess I'm begrudgingly revealing this shampoo and your hair. I've always I grew up shampooling my hair every day, and uh, my hair is getting longer, it gets really thick, and uh it gets puffy. It's a little poof right now, it gets a lot poofier. Anyways, someone told me recently, you don't need to shampoo your hair every day, that you have natural oils and if you shampoo your hair every day, it strips away the natural oils. So I don't have that problem with my shaved bald head. So I googled how often you should shampoo your hair. Yeah, so like hair experts are very like or that they're very aggressive about not wanting you to wash it very much. Yeah, there's like it seems it seems like there's groups of people that are like no Pooh people. They called him no Pooh, which is just people who use conditioner and not shampoo, And that seems like there was people who are like very adamant about this no Pooh lifestyle. I don't know how interesting this is is fascinating. Do you remember there's a song in the nineties that was like, like the lyrics were like kind of spoken word and it was like about high school things, and like the guy was like, girls, you wash your hair twice in one week again twice. Do you remember this music? Yeah? Yeah, it was like a graduation No not the not the bas Lerman one where it's like for him to use it that song, like, was it maybe like review my mom? I don't know. There's one where there's like a weird break where there's a guy in like in the lyrics he's telling women to like only wash their hair twice, and one we remembers the kid I was like, that's fucking gross. Yeah, and then I realized I don't have hair and I don't know anything about that, But I guess that's who learns hygienic advice from a song. I think every tide learned everything from a music video at one point in the nineties. I learned that in high school that I wasn't supposed to wash my hair every time, and I let it go too far and my hair ended up real greasy and my face ended up real greasy, which it does anyways as a high school student. So I'm just saying it can be taken too far. How far did you take it? Like I never watched I just I think I watched it, like, you know, I was playing sports and uh, you know, I was showering, but I just was You're like, not the right, Just do whatever works for your hair, like you you should try it out. But if I did that, I feel like I would look real greasy. I was also told at the end of a shower, uh, you switched to cold water because it closes the pores and your hair follicles. Really, yeah, that is first. This is like what this girl with curly hair was giving me advice about. And when with curly hair have read novels worth of literature on like what to do with the hair, so I woun't know anything. I was like, oh, I've been doing it wrong for my entire life. What is something you think is underrated? Social skills are underrated. There are so many Okay, we're all inherently sort of awkward, but there's just people like, why do we not have social skills training in classrooms? Well one, teachers not are not always well equipped socially themselves. But I feel like if we taught general social skills also cultural sensitivity within classrooms at a younger age, we would not have the same sort of racial issues going on today or just like just do they? I mean, can you give an example, like one, one specific one that okay people, Well, I'll give you an example of something that happened recently. I'm in l A. I'm gonna stay up comedian, but I'm here for acting stuff, which is very unique. L A. And and this lady in my in my class, white lady, older lady, very sweet. Um, we did icebreaker stuff. And the other person introduced to you. And so this this older lady wasn't really in my thing, but someone else said was telling what they learned about me, which is um ethnically, I'm from Pakistan. Pakistan, it's the translation. But I was born in North Carolina, grew up in Virginia, and moved to New York. Anyways, my introduction was this is Lebron, He's from Pakistan, and that was kind of it. No, No, that's fine. I don't care about that because I just unloaded a lot of theraphical information. That's fine. But as soon as she said that this lady in the class um said, oh, you sound just like Kumile Nanjiani, not not as a life story, but just sonically audible. Jenny was born in Pakistan and he has a legit accent. This lady heard me speak for three sentences and immediately made the jump to oh brown actor. Not not just that you look I came or anything, but it went into sound different level accent. And then and then at the and I immediately said, which is where in a group setting in the class, I immediately said, I highly disagree, as you just say I disagree. It was on instinct. I added the word highly as an adjective that I didn't need uh. And then I was the only minority in the class, but as a minority, I immediately looked at the class for another minority to just be like, that's kind of weird, right, But there was no one else, so I'm just looking around. I'm like, all right, I guess it's just me on this. Then why is he being so mean to She's an old, sweet lady and she had good intentions and at the end of the class, she, you know, try to apologize to me, which is it's by showing you a clip of worse than that. Well she didn't. Well, Okay, So it was later revealed in class, uh that her last job was as a dialect coach, so she professionally were I mean, it wasn't revealed as to why she's not a dialect coach, although I have assumptions now she probably was not good at it or lacked understanding of dialection, which would be fundamental to being a dialect coach. Anyways, that was first off, She's a nice lady, I think I I don't want to minimize her intentions and her sense of worth as a human being. Um. But anyways, anyways, later at the end of class, she came up to me and she said, Hey, I don't want you to think I was like stereotyping you or anything like that. You know, I just I just thought you sounded like him at first. And I'm not just saying that because you know, I thought you guys looked alike. I don't think I look alike. But she's like, you know, and it's it's not like I'm coming from a bad place, you know, Like I just like him a lot. Uh, and I love Master of None. No, she didn't. I swear to God. She meant, well, though I don't want to wait down that that is a command. So then I just said I was like, I was like yeah, I was like, it's totally cool. I wasn't trying to like be angry. I was just like, hey, listen, yeah, I totally get it um by the way, by the way, and then at that point, I think I accepted her aura and apologetic attitude and I didn't want to argue or just like keep so I was just like yeah, I was like, but by the way, that that's She's like, oh yeah, I know that. I just like that one too, and I'm like, all right, well this isn't any That is the most l a woman ever though, being like I'm actually a dialect coach, and I was like, that make worse. You just look like also a bad dict. I mean, she'd have a better like thread to even you sound like disease because at least he's from like South Carolina. Yeah, from North Caro. But even then he's Indian. It's like from the North Carolina. That's it. Then it ends. But but I guess this goes with like social skills and cultural sensitivities. The amount this happens a lot, and I'm gonna group of people together. It seems in my experience, white ladies have so much confidence, uh with with with not having any hesitation to make a cultural remark. And I applaud that confidence. I wish I had that confidence, but there should be certain filters that says, wait, maybe he doesn't sound like or maybe I should keep that thought to myself, marinate on it, and then later come out with a response if I still conclude that it's accurate. But the amount of confidence that I've experienced with white ladies doing this is just paramount, And I wish I had that confidence. But there should be some sort of cultural filter at first before you say it any adriane or just white ladies, just white females. Um. More, this lady was probably forty and above. Also white men too, um. But now I feel like I'm just isolating groups and I don't want to be like stigmatizing groups of people. And these are, yeah, my social observations. White men tend to do this to uh in in other weird ways. Um. They'll just start it's more about a common yeah, and they're trying to relate and they're trying to um, it tends to be. I think as they hold within different groups. White people in general lack a certain amount of racial experience, so they don't know how to how to have that conversation and what's appropriate and what isn't. So I think it's just a lack of social experience in these categories, so they're less refined in having that as a conversation, are knowing when to make it a conversation and when not to, and that it's not coming from a bad place. But I feel like if we instilled more cultural sensitivity training or just social skills in general, the social skill aspect of just saying sometimes you don't say things that are thoughts that you have, and there's sometimes that you do, but you don't need to express every thought via words coming out of your mouth. Uh. I feel like people should learn that, and they're not just gonna learn that. They need to be taught because they're not always going to go through the same experiences that will teach you organically. So when it's not coming, when you can't learn it organically, U, it would be beneficial to have someone else teach that to you. Well, you're lucky because you know Betsy Devas, who's the head of She's probably has something like that cooked up in her brand, right, Yeah, we'll get too late for sure. Yeah. And also, you know, as we saw last week was Jordan Peterson, the Tucker Carlson guest who was like, if you're if you you find your children being taught any sort of cultural sensitivity, pulled them out of that schools like brother and you know, gave him a standing ovation. That's what that was. His theory is why the masculinity in America is dying because we're teaching people to be too empathetic. Is like, if you hear if your kid comes home talking about equity or uh, systemic racism, pull your kid out of that school immediately. So yeah, that's the opposite of what well, that's what we're up against. Yeah, interesting, but yeah, that is an interesting point, just the idea of giving kids. You know, I feel like we didn't have that many guests speakers in the public schools that I went to in like middle school and like Ohio and Kentucky. We we just had nobody was like, here's what the world looks like from my point of view. You know, I mean, I guess we have old novels to do that. But even then even that's not that well. Yeah, the closest thing I think we got to like a school speaker was like the dudes who did like tricks on Rollerblaze and BMX bikes, because we like, they're like all right kids and don't do drugs, and we're like, all right, right, yeah, all right, what what's something you think is overrated? I guess shampooing your hair? Okay, now we just sound like a smelly, hairy, oily guy. Your hair looks great, by the way, I should we should say thank you for smells great. He allowed me to smell his hair. It was very intimate earlier, and I told him this is how I shake hands. Um. Yeah, I'm just saying shampoo hair is just coming to mind because that was recently something I was looking at because I was shampooing every day, twice a day, and then I was told that that's actually over it. Yeah, yeah, that you don't need a shampoo every day, but you can condition and still eliminate uh just bacteria or whatever. Totally. Yeah, all right. We are trying to take a sample of what people are thinking and talking about right now at the moment, and The way we like to open up is by asking our guests, what is a myth? What is something that people believe to be true that you know to be false. I think, and this was coming up in the conversation of the story that I was telling in the class, I think there's a myth when that people who are a racist, or people from any specific group that you may not agree with, that their intentions are bad or that they're coming from a bad place. I try to take a step back on a lot of issues and try to like observe it, you know, from a more disassociated, like less bias, try to be more objective. I think when people are stereotyping other races and stuff, they're not coming necessarily from a bad place. Even if the result is bad, they just don't know enough and they just keep strengthening that point of view, and it's to enhance their sense of well being. It's a terrible aftermath, um. But I don't think they're coming in from I want to hurt this person, or this person is bad. This is coming in Oh, this is my group, and my group will always reign supreame exactly, So I'm gonna pose all other teams and you could brute this in football, uh, college basketball, Like you see the same thing and it always yeah, and it doesn't matter. Like you could watch the same trial, whether let's bring up O J or whatever, and people are going to see the same accused, the same evidence, and we'll have two dramatically different points of view on it. Uh. And that point of view as aligning also with their group that they identify with. We're pro this or we're pro this, or we're anti that and we're anti that, even though the source of information that people that two groups are witnessing or the same. Yeah. Uh. An interesting example of this, there's this article in the Atlantic called The Last Temptation that's by an evangelical Christian about him seeing his you know, religion basically get tribalized to the point that they now are all fully pro Trump, even though taking a step back, that seems like the very last thing you would expect evangelical Christians to be into. But exactly like you're saying, because they sort of lumped themselves into this group. And also, you know, I would also say to add to that um, even though you know, there are some places where I think most of our listeners would agree you know that group is clearly wrong. That group has also faced a lot of just very dismissive, like culturally, you know, shitty treatment from mainstream culture. So uh, every time they're treated like shit or dismissed or called rednecks or whatever. Uh, that adds to that sort of division. And I think you're right like kind of viewing things as Okay, it's air tribe versus there's it really does throughout of histories of their tribe versus our tribe. But it's you know, the fact it's it explains some of the things that you would think would be contradictory, like the fact that evangelicals new you know figurehead is Donald Trump. Yeah. I think when it when it becomes more severe, and that's when it starts getting to raise some stuff. I think in the future, the same way that Asperger's is a spectrum, Uh, I think racism will be become a spectrum in the sense that as far as mental health is concerned, when people have extreme categoryations in their head to the point of absurdity, that's when it's a mental health issue. I don't I mean, I'm not saying there is signs or anything like that, but when the racim is so strong it then becomes a mental health issues, like their brain cannot stop or no one to stop stereotyping to the point where they're just constantly categorizing, making it black and white, and then just dispelling hatred. That's when it's like, oh, your brain is not operating at a normal level and you're just categorizing everything. Yeah, exactly, and then it's like, oh no, no, there's something more there. You just don't know when to stop. And the reason I asked about the age of the women who you were talking about stereotyping earlier is just I read a statistic over the weekend. I've read a couple of statistics lately that made me kind of surprised at how focused the things we talked about when we talk about you know, uh, you know, Trump supporters being racist and all that stuff, how concentrated those points of view are in like the baby boomer generation. And you know, I think it it seems like bay stun some of these reports and statistics that all link to on our footnotes, uh footnotes, that we we have a lot of older people who are you know, putting the stuff front and center. And then there's like some very visible younger people who go around marching with tiki torches, and we look at them and we're like, well, it must be all ages, And it's actually very concentrated the elderly. Yeah. And I think that's an important distinction because that also goes up with their upbringing and also what they were exposed to when they were younger. The baby boomers, they're gonna give me ship. I love them such a mess. All right. We have so many stories to get to, uh. And let's let's just get to one of the quick hits here up top. Um, let's go a little late, because we we've been talked about stuff. Let's talk about me On the Run two tour, which was announced this morning and it is the number one trending thing on Google. Uh. And it is the jay Z Beyonce Tour, the sequel to the On the Run one tour. Uh. You probably if you didn't catch the tour itself, you probably saw the HBO special which that That's what happened to me, and I made me regret not seeing the first tour. I feel like this is going to be the hottest ticket because was was Beyonce part of On the Run one Yeah, it was jay Z and Beyonce and it was sul performance. It was an amazing show. And since then they've each come out with these like you know, infidelity albums like make it so interesting to see what this tour is going to be. Like, I feel like it's the tour. Yeah, aggressive, aggressive, silence. Um, it's probably the most interesting live music event that I mean, I can remember. I didn't I maybe on the throne. Yeah, the first time the tour came around, I missed out on it, and I was there because you were talking about this. It was one of the first things I took my girlfriend, who we went to the show and you know, this is an l a at the Rose Bowl and you know when it is beyond jay Z. So we're excited by the way. Your girlfriend is how I met you. One of the most professional, smartest people I've ever met, very professional, and she didn't know she got caught up with scumbag jay Z fan me and didn't realize how I like to get down a rap show, which is, you know, drink a little bit, you know, maybe puff on something. And she kind of you know, overestimated what it's like to hang with the boy by the middle of the show, she was a mess, like like like vomiting, and we had to leave the show early. And I thought you were gonna go with she was babysitting. No no, no, no, no, she she kind of you know, she was feeling herself a little bit too much, and and we had to leave the show early. And but that's when I know I was like, you know what, I rock with her because I'm even willing to leave the jay Z show because she was in such bad shape. But like like I had to almost carry her out and there like they were like these scumback dudes were like, yeah, dog, that's crazy. Then, like the jay Z audience is so brilliant that they see a dude carrying a woman over his shoulder, like yeah you yeah. I was like, motherfucker, I'm looking out for this, but don't get men caught up in this ship, because it already looks crazy if a man of color is walking out with an unconscious white woman. So I wouldn't have an over sort of like I was doing like the wounded soldier thing. But yeah, it's so you know, Rosy, you can make good on this, and and now we can go make amends on the run tour too. At what point in the concert did this happen? Like to see? So they were like alternating. So I got to see like my first the first solid hour and a half and then it just went. Then it just turned the darkness. And then these two older black women were like looking at me. They were like, you need to get your girl the funk away from me because she was like spinning and they already knew. And I did not want to or the wrath of these women because they looked like they didn't. They were dressed up for the bronze show. Yeah, I'm not. I don't even I can't defend you against them. There were many bees. Yeah, yeah, the beehive would have sucked us up. We got the funk out. Who opened? That was just them. It's like a three go back and forth and then they come on together. It's massive. It's that's wild. Now you should check out the HBO special. It's really it's I didn't even know there on better. Yeah, it's one of the better live concert event things that I've seen. All right, well, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back. And we wanted to start off the second section of our episode talking about some breaking news, some late breaking news. Uh not by the time you hear it, but to us, we record this Monday morning, and Stormy daniels lawyer has let it be known that they are going to offer to give Donald Trump the payment money back so that she can then go around talking about interesting her relationship to the president. And uh, you know, if he says no, I don't want the money back, then he's acknowledging that something went on. And if if he accepts the money, then she gets to talk about how something went on. Yeah, he's in a weird position where he's damned if he do and he's damned if you don't like because and then also his lawyer was like, you know, uh ms Clifford, her real name is Stephanie Clifford. Like she's opening herself up some real financial liability by doing this. But then it's also like when you think about it's like, okay, well, who's your client, right? I think he said that, right, Yeah, that's what his Yeah, that's what her lawyer. I was like, yeah, okay, that's fine. So who who is going to cause that financial liability? The Dennison Yeah, this guy Michael Avani is not playing around like he sued the NFL, Like he knows he's not. He's not fucking Michael Cohen, who, Like, who's the kind of lawyer who was basically Donald Trump's attack dog in New York was just call people and threatened them with like like character. Michael Cohen is Trump's attorney. Yeah, and then Stormy Daniel's attorney is a serious, like the sort of attorney that a president would get, you know, Like he's high profile attorney who has been involved in cases like Myles said, suing the NFL, Like he's no joke and like he's a very polished seeming and I've heard a lot of praise for him both as a public figure and his looks. So yeah. So either way Trump responds to returning he it's a lose lose for him. Either way, he has to acknowledge that he's either trying to shut her up or that he did enter an agreement with her because they had. It's just, you know, it's tough going. And then yesterday she posted a picture like her and Anderson Cooper and her lawyer because she's gonna be on sixty Minutes next week apparently his lawyers are saying, we might sue sixty minutes to make it so they can't release that. But Trump is the king of claiming he's going to sue someone and then nothing ever happening. He's like the Dana lash h like the way Dana lash is on Twitter with brands. That's what Trump's legal team is like, if this like goes to child, wouldn't she automatically have to reveal disclose her relationship with Donald Trump? Yeah? I mean that's the thing. I think now they would make the argument purely about the fact that this argument this agreement wasn't signed, and that's sort of the crux of it. It's like that this agreement is no, I don't think that that was by Donald Trump or Dick or whatever he called himself in the like the weird suit and used why why signed by him? If nothing happened, Well that's why. Look, bro, smoke bomb, get the funk out of there. Yeah. Well, and you know, the only person who's winning here is Stormy Daniels. Oh she's killing because she's like, yeah, I'll give the one thirty back because I already got someone offered me five million for dick picks. That I have or whatever, because last week they revealed she had texts and pictures or other materials, which who knows what those are? Uh, And that will help her because you know, she's she's she's got to make America Horney again tour happening. Yeah, the what now, make America horney again? I think she's basically doing like and that's what it's called. Yeah. I think we have a we have a little a little sample of the promo for the Make American Horney Again Tour. Stormy Daniels brings her Making America Horney Again to her to the Trophy Club for a one night performance this Saturday. Stormy in movies like Real Sex and The Forty Year Virgin, the Making America Horny Tour. It's the Trophy Club on the heels of Stormy's national public sides fair. This dude is missing Greenville Droopy Club. You will not want to miss Stormy Daniels Making America Horny Tour Again and their makeups Making America Horny Virgin. Yeah, this dude. They couldn't even hire a guy who could properly read a script. And also Shama whoever produced that, because there was no quality control on that, but I was just reading that she was making statements saying this is hurting her career. She's, yeah, of course she's trying to gaslight you. Does not mean you need to gaslight us. It is Daniels. Yeah, she's I think she's gonna be She'll be fine. There's definitely a book that's going to come out, the Stormy Daniels book book, a VR Experience. Who knows it could be everything? This make you guys feel dirty, like the way that you know, the Republicans when Clinton was president was you know, all over the salacious details of his affairs, Like do you do you feel like in the end, who really gives a ship? Or is it just like enough? We just one is blown out right? Who knows where we are? I don't know. I don't know what registers as affect When the dick pick comes out? Second question, when the dick pick comes out, will you this is Donald Trump's? This is Donald Trump's mean? Yeah, of course, yeah, we have to look at everyone's gonna look. I'm not like it like he has a big beautiful cock. You guys, Oh my god, if I might might be, I'm like I was. He wasn't lying when he said his button is bigger and works. But I don't know, you know, honestly, if there was, I don't think. I don't know. I mean, I I don't know if there's a I don't believe the dick pick exists. Who knows who just Donald Trump? Only she does and he does. But apparently, I mean, like in the thing they said part of the agreement was to not release materials like texts and images. So I don't know if that's from her to him, to him from her, But I just imagine Donald Trump would have a small, like orangey dick that looks kind of like those trolls when you were a little that you could like, yeah, and that he probably know, but look like exactly yeah, like part off the tip, it'll be like white part uh. Yeah. I just imagine him not wanting to take a picture and show that. Therefore that picture doesn't exist. It seems little not like him, like he doesn't seem like an exhibitionist in that sense. But who knows in the privacy of his own text threads, Yeah, I mean, I don't know him at all as a sexual being. You get somebody conflicting reports about him, like with some people that are like he's a gentleman and like we got it on, and then with some people he's a rapist, and then with some people he's like a robot who has never even experienced the concept of human sexuality. There's that story where he brought a model back to his place and just left her in the living room and went up to watch TV by himself. Like, there's just weird stuff about him and also weird interviews. Cody Johnson from Cracked has great material on this, and Dan O'Brien as well. We need to call them up and have them talk about it, but they have like all these examples where he's talking about sex and it's just like it's like, like, um, I tried to I guess this was also a Google thing. I couldn't find her porn. What do you mean, Oh, you have safe search on my man? Maybe I don't know. I haven't seen Stormy to I don't think I've seen her in a porn Well, she does like like full movies, you know what I mean, like space nuts. So she's one of the because school, like the newer porn generation, right, She's definitely the kind that is known by people who pay for porn and go to porn conventions and her like Stormy like who treat porn like it's w w E and they like follow the storylines and um, yeah, exactly. Uh all right, so that's one thing we're keeping an eye on, Uh, keep an eye on that, Betsy, as we're pronouncing it. She had a hell of a week, she had. So last night she went on sixty minutes and had some very I don't know, unimpressive answers to questions about her, like the very core tenets of her tenure as the head of the Department of Education, mean just being an evil, out of touch person. Well yeah, but like her main thing is this idea that okay, if you you know, have these charter schools and you know, uh, that public schools will be forced to compete with them and it will bring up there the performance of all the schools in uh, you know, an area, run it like a business. And she is doing this based on her work in Michigan, where she did this exact thing, and uh, you know, you would think that she would be able to answer questions about how that went, but Leslie Stall just kind of through it out there. You can almost tell that Leslie Stall, who's the sixty Minutes anchor who was interviewing her. You can almost tell by her delivery of the question that she didn't think this was a question that was going to make air. She was like, well, you know, like kind of threw it out there off handedly. I think we have the audio from this part of the interview. Why take money away from that school that's not working to bring them where they are? That school is working, well, we should be funding and in vesting in students, not in school school buildings, not in institutions, not in systems, and so it should kids who are back at the school it's not working. What about those kids? Well, in places where there have been where there is a lot of choice that's been introduced m Florida, for example, your argument that if you take funds away that the schools will get better is not working in Michigan, where you had a huge impact and influence over the direction of the school system here. I hesitate to talk about all schools in general, because schools are made up of individual students attending them. The public schools here are doing worse than they did Michigan schools need to do better. There is no doubt about it. Have you seen the really bad schools? Maybe try to figure out what what they're doing. I have not. I have not. I have not intentionally visited schools that are underperforming. Maybe you should? Maybe I should? Yes? What fuck her preparation for? Okay, if they asked you the failed experiment in your core philosophy that you oversaw in Michigan, your response will be what? And her response was either she had no response because she was like, oh ship, they looked that up like, or her response was, well, I can just say that, you know, schools are made up of students, and when you look at some students they do well. It's like, you know, that's not how data works. That's not how any judgment of performance of any program would ever ever be. So her what is her overall stance or proposition that we should be taking money away from public schools basically charter schools or the answer run charter schools like businesses, they will compete with each other and that will bring up performance. Is like like sort of what this was all about? Like what she was pushing for a long time. So when and when Leslie Stall references taking money away from public schools, that's basically the money that is being spent on public schools currently by like school districts would go to charter schools instead. That they would be taking that money away from public schools that are already failing and giving it to charter schools, these new schools, And the idea is that then these charter schools would do better and just by sheer competition, public schools would feel like they need would be inspired or encourage competition among charter schools. Her whole thing is really just it's not based on anything factual. Does she want to eliminate public schools But she wouldn't. She wouldn't say that, but that's systematically what she's dismantling the public school system. So, I mean, basically, there are some great charter schools, uh, but the problem is that you are not guaranteed to have a charter school in your neighborhood, and so they're spread getting the funding out. They're taking funding away from public schools, which you are guaranteed to have and giving it to these other schools. So it's screwing people whose only option is public schools. My only option in high school was public school. Yeah, I mean for most of my life a small town. Yeah, there was nothing else. Yeah, Um so the whole DeVos is that her name. So when you guys were saying charter before, I was putting it in the same breath as a private, private school. It's weird between. Yeah, it's intertweing. They have like an agreement with like the state to you know run as a school underneath. And some of them have been shown to you know, work and there have been some that yeah, you know create really interesting amazing people like uh super producer on a Hosnier heard of her. But the idea is that basically they think something public can't wear. And so rather than funding public schools, which you know used to be seen as one of the great strengths of America was our public school system. Rather than funding public schools and you know, providing access to education that's equal for everybody, they are you know, creating this new system that allows them to like there's a reason they're doing this instead of funding public The other reason to the profit aspect is that if you have to build a charter school, that means a real estate developer can build it and get money to build it. And rather than the existing public schools, like no just build a new thing, which will cost money, and that money can go to someone in the private sector to build it. So there's you know, there are many you know, facets of it that can make it complicated. Yeah. So, Uh, instead of doing a good job explaining this, she had an interview where she, you know, did a terrible job defending the idea. And uh, presumably because they knew this interview was a huge l that she was going to take. Uh. The administration released a plan for school safety. UH. Basically in the dark of night on a Sunday night, and there was like a media conference call where Betsy Divoce spoke to the media to announce their sort of actions in response to the Florida school shooting. And they're now calling it, rather than being gun focused, it is a school safety initiative, UM. And they will be focusing on repealing Obama era school discipline efforts because everything done under Obamas evil and probably the cause of school shootings. UH. Looking into the impact of video games on youth violence, which is just a widely discredited theory that makes zero sense. Every every country has video games, and other countries are not having the mass shooting problems that we're having. And also they're looking at the effects of press coverage of mass violence. I mean, we did on this show talk about the fact that the media could maybe stop talking about like putting the face and name of mass shooters front and center. So I mean it is cool that they're talking about press coverage of mass violence. It's cool to see a presidential administration talk about that. I just feel like they are going to treat that in a very strange way. That Trump administration. Uh, their relationship to the media is such that I don't necessarily trust them to be the ones to enforce rules. Uh, there's just anything to antagonize the media, and I don't think antagonizing the media is the way to go on That one's everyone but the guns. Yeah, it's that everyone but the gun strategy. I mean, they're also supporting a couple of very minor gun changes, basically making gun sellers actually do background checks like the law says they should. So there is some gun stuff, but for the most part, it's but this distraction. Even like last week, you know, when we're talking about that Florida bill, Like, yes, granted it's a small step, but really, these people a lot of Republicans will just use that as cover to say, well, we did something and then kick the camp down the road like it's a distraction. All Right, We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back, and we're back. Uh So, interestingly, because we just closed that the last section talking about the Blue Ribbon Panel where Betsy Divos and other people are going to look into all these different things and release their recommendations. Trump had a sort of Trump Jazz sessions slash campaign rallies. Yeah, just an appearance in Pennsylvania Friday night where he was just just riff and baby, just doing doing a thing. I get it, swallowed a handful of amphetamines based on the Spy magazine report from last week that he was prescribed amphetamines in the in the eighties. Uh every time I see him now go up there and just sort of riff and babble for an hour straight, I'm reminded of that report. But uh yeah, he bade he was prescribed something that's very similar to adderall during the eighties. Uh So, but he Yeah, what what did he cover in in this session. One of the things was called Chuck Todd, a sleepy eyed son of a bit um. But another thing he talked about was blue ribbon panels and these sort of commissions where I think the way he described it is, yeah, and these things don't do anything. It's like your wife and your wife and your husband get together and they talk and they say, oh, I'm gonna recommend this thing. Like he's like mocking the idea of the thing that he was about to, uh, you know, announce at the end of the weekend. But that's fine, baby, It's just I'm just out here, I got I got the notes. Now, let me just jam. I mean he touched on so many different place it was mostly covered by uh, you know Fox News. Yeah, I'm sure CNN was on it too, because there's a special election. I think what tomorrow. That's you know, very very big, very important, and you know, both parties have put a lot of money into this. But anyway he was talking about he even says something about Oprah where he was like, he's like, I would love Oprah to run. I know her weakness, I know her weakness. I know her very well. I was on her last show the last week and he wasn't right. Again, That's that's cool that you know, like He's going to fight a dragon in a fucking fantasy game, Like, I know her weakness. I'll use my level five Bengal to defend against her firebreath. Like it's whatever. Uh And he's like again, he said, why wouldn't we love to run against Oprah Winfrey would love it? That would be very painful for her. Huh, Like what the fund is he? I mean again, he's doing that jazz maybe yeah, uh yeah. And Fox's response was, whoa, this guy is the best candidate. He's definitely gonna win in because look at him, riff, which is what it was. It was just him doing this campaign trail thing. No, no, no no, it was Fox News basically just uh, you know, doing their Trump is the greatest, He's the savior of all. Uh. And the thing that now I can't stop thinking about Trump every time I see him speak in public, I'm thinking, this is the guy who's going to sit down with Kim Jong un and try and negotiate the fate of the free world in the coming months. That's just is that really happening? Well, a lot of people speculate, They're like, could have happened? Could it not? I mean, there will be some kind of talks. I mean, I don't know, would have to have a muzzle on Trump because again, he doesn't mean anything he says, and that's that would be a real problem when you're trying to negotiate de nuclearization. I think he means it in the moment, but his mood is so volatile, Yeah, and unpredictable when he does a really good job just mirroring whatever the sentiment is, so like he might like, I don't know what how what is that going to look like when he's in the room with North Korean's I don't know how is I don't know how Kim Jong n is as far as uh, what his personality like. I mean, he just wanted to get a talk with the president for years. I mean every North Korean leader has wanted this, and he finally got it. So I think, yeah, he feels good because he got it because he could tell Trump was thirsty as fun for a win, so like we would be maybe willing to meet. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'll take it. I will take it. Tell them I'll do it, I think was the quote they told the South Korean delegation. Tell them I'll do it. Um so in the round of popular culture. Uh we it is March Madness. The brackets were released last night. I don't really have that much to say because it's I don't know, the only reason to pay much attention to n C Double A basketball this year is that there's an FBI investigation going on that implicates players who ended up going to you know, the top schools Duke, North Carolina, Michigan State, Kentucky, Arizona, North Carolina State, Texas, Louisville all implicated in these wire taps. And this is being conducted by the FBI, not the n C Double A. So the n C Double A sort of in a wait and see mode. They can't necessarily punish these schools yet, Like Louisville obviously already jumped to the gun and fired their coach, but that was more because their board of directors like had a thing with him. But so these other schools are just kind of in a wait and see. But they could be in a lot of trouble. And the n C Double A is supposed to be waiting and seeing, but uh, it looks like they might have been sort of screwing some of these schools that are probably going to be in trouble that probably cheated. Uh, like Kentucky and Arizona are going to play each other in the second round even though they're uh two of the top teams, so only one of them can make it through that. What did they do that was illegal? Basically, there's the FBI seized a computer from an agent and it had like spreadsheets that were like pay this player thirty five thousand, pay this player fifteen thousand. And we know where those players ended up going. This is for like the past ten years. So uh, you know, it stands to reason that you know, these were paid players, so we schools, Uh, we don't know that yet, but it's just right. There was payment to players who ended up going to do North Carolina, so pay for play, pay for exactly, which you know, I don't think that players shouldn't be paid. But the n C Double A is this crazy institution. So also, USC and Louisville both didn't make the tournament at all. They're both two of the teams that are implicated. They're the highest rp I ranked major conference teams to ever not make it. Louisville is the second highest rp I ranked major conference or how how could they defend that they're not. They don't have to. Double A is like the you know, no consequences institution that you get in dictatorships, Like they just get to do whatever the funk they want. They don't have to answer to anyone. So yeah, and they make massive amounts of money on the student athletes, like billions of dollars off these student athletes. And if they find doubt that one of them made was paid twenty five dollars for like free headphones or given a ride somewhere that doesn't like line up with how they're supposed to be given a ride, then they will like end that players college. So we'll keep an eye on the n C double A but garbage institution. Uh, you know, anything you care about is if u c l A makes it in tournament, which where we'll probably do terribly. It might not even make it in the play in game to play in game against Santon. I mean that counts is making the tournament. Thank you, that horrible constellation. No it doesn't. Uh yeah, not not for u c LN but for other for St. Bonaventures, they're just happy to be there. But for u c l A, Yeah, that's kind of a it's called abject failure. But a lot of people didn't even think that U c l A Was going to make the tournament at all. This Yeah, um, look, I'm still holding on to the John Wooden days and I wasn't even alive. So that's how good that is. Actually. Uh So, Fox last night aired a two hour interview with O. J. Simpson called O J. Simpson Colan the Last Confession. Uh that was just some old interview that they had where they had interviewed him around the release of his book If I Did It, where he basically confessed was like here's how I would have done it if I did And uh, they were doing this because ABC was releasing the first episode of American Idol and they gave up on American Idol. So I'm assuming they wanted some big, high rating thing to kind of funk over American Idol. That did not work. This got the same rating that you know the Simpsons and other comedy reruns usually get. Uh. But it was right. But there is like some crazy ship like he talks about. He's like Nicole fell over, then Ron got into a kara the thing I grabbed the knife. I do remember that portion taking the knife. Then he says he blacked out and woke up and stuff around, blood and stuff around. What Yeah, like he last night in an interview, So this is that they basically ship canned because it was like in such poor taste and so creepy to see O. J. Simpson like basically describing the murders. Uh wait, he's saying, this is what I did to kill them. If he had killed that where Ron Goldman in a karate thing? What does that mean? Yeah, it's like he's envisioning, Like he's like, if I did, it would have fallen over and Ron would have gotten a karate. Did not make any logical sense. Of course, if something like this would take place in anybody's life, I would imagine it's something you probably automatically have trouble wrapping your mind around it. It was horrible. It was absolutely horrible. It was probably a quote him describing what he remembered and then saying he blacked out, and he's like, but if if I were going to in that situation, yeah, I probably would have done it this way. Yeah, so, uh, this is crazy. Congratulations everyone for not watching it live and rewarding Fox, but uh yeah, maybe catch the YouTube highlights of it, because it sounds like it's just incredible that he basically described the murders on video. 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