Ronny Chieng explores the faux liberal policies of Kyrsten Sinema, who announced she's not seeking re-election, as well as the Trump team's push to court Black voters...with the help of A.I. Plus, Josh Johnson joins to discuss how Biden – and the Cookie Monster – are tackling shrinkflation on Sesame Street. Jordan Klepper heads to Raleigh for Super Tuesday to ask what Republicans will do if it once again comes down to Biden vs. Trump.And Historian and bestselling author Yuval Noah Harari joins Ronny Chieng to discuss his new children’s book, what evolutionary history can teach us about human responses like fears and cravings, and his concerns about AI and religions eventually being created by alien, non-human, intelligence.
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Some black friends, Joe Biden has his hand up Cookie Munssel's ass, and Jordan Klepper talks to the last Nikki Haley fan. So let's get right into an ongoing coverage of Indecision twenty twenty four. Let's kick things off with the race to control the Senates, one of the tightest races in Arizona, and although we don't know who's gonna win, we already know who's going to lose.
Breaking news from the nation's capital, Independent Senator Kirsten Cinema of Arizona announcing she will not run for reelection.
Polling in the last months has showed her with support of just fifteen to twenty five percent, losing to Gago and Carrie Lake. She met the ire of great many Democrats around the country, refusing to pass Bilibusterer reform that would have allowed for the protection of abortion around the country and to codify Roe v.
Wade.
In twenty twenty.
Two, Cinema blocked a critical spending bill to protect a tax break for the ultra wealthy.
That's right, Senator Kristen Cinema is stepping down to spend more time with her family, Goldman and sex and I love all. She says she's not running for reelection Arizona, Like it's her choice, totally not because.
You're gonna get your ass kicked.
It's like me saying, hey, guys, I'm not gonna be a cue being for the patriots this year.
That's what nobody offered.
It's also funny how people usually like independence in this very tribal political climate. You know, you have to be a real shitty politician if you're independent and everybody hates you.
Me personally, I actually like that.
Kristen Cinema taught everyone a very important lesson that you can't assume someone's beliefs based on how they dress. She came on the scene like, hey, everyone, look at my.
Pink too too.
You know I'm liberal, And then she walks into the Senate like private equity gets everything. Drill those orphans for oil. But let's move on to the presidential race and the voters the politicians never forget every time they need to win an election. African Americans aka black people. In twenty twenty, Trump only got twelve percent of the black vote, but this year polls showed that that he could double that number. And now that might be a way for him to win over black voters without actually having to meet any There.
Are growing concerns about the way artificial intelligence could be used to mislead voters ahead of this year's US election. It's emerged that some supporters of the former president Donald Trump are creating and sharing fake images of him with black people who encourage African Americans to back him in November's election.
At first glance, this photo looks real, only it's not.
It was generated using AI technology.
The image was generated by Trump supporters using AI to.
Target black voters.
But this picture has been viewed more than one million times.
Wow, it took the most cutting eggs technology to get Trump to hang out with six black guys. This is outrageous. You're telling me I've been wasting my time building real friendships with black people aka African Americans, when the whole time I could have just used AI and gotten the same number of likes.
But seriously, I.
Can believe these photos would actually swing some votes. I mean, if we're going to be this easily manipulated by AI, let's just let AI vote for us instead. I mean, at this point, we need to be smarter. I mean, I'm not going to vote for Trump just because I saw a picture of him with a bunch of Asian guys. Although I mean they do look like they're having fun. I mean, I wonder what they're talking about. I mean, damn, maybe it does help a little, but still, I know people are worried about misinformation, but it's pretty easy to tell if a picture of Donald Trump is AI generator.
Okay, here's the trick.
If Donald Trump is in a picture and looks completely insane, then it's.
A real picture.
Like look at this picture Trump hanging out with black guys. This is AI because it's too normal to be real. But now this photo of him with black people, this is weird. That's how you know it's real. Is that confusing?
All right?
Okay?
How about how about this one Trump with black people having a good time at a party. It's pretty normal human activity. Therefore, this is AI. But Kanye in the Oval office shoving his phone into Trump's face. I mean, what the is even happening here? This is too insane to be real. And that's how you know it's real. There's also other tells, like, you know, check the skin tone. Does his face look like a normal human, that's probably ai. Does his face look like a dish sponge after the chili night, then it's real. So that's the rule. Is he smiling in front of three thousand hamburgers, you see staring directly into a solar clips, you see touching or going off with Middle East dictators, then it's real. I hope that clarifies things. But while Donald Trump is trying to get the vote of black people, Joe Biden is trying to get the vote of cheap people. I mean, have you been to a grocery store lately and notice your bag of chips has had two fewer chips than it used to?
Well, Joe Biden has noticed.
Trapflation is just one of the pocket issues that could find its way into the State of the Union address on Thursday. Today, the White House is announcing a new strikeforce tasked with cracking down on price gouging and everything from groceries to prescription drugs is on the list.
Shrinkflation is when companies make the size of their products smaller without cutting prices. The size of some Oreo cookies has decreased by six percent since twenty nineteen, and a family size of wheat thins has dropped twelve percent in weight. Even some Sharman toilet paper rolls now have twenty fewer sheets.
Guys, okay, boom, hey listen, listen, this is such an American crisis.
Okay.
Oh no, my costco Saca Oreoles only has fifteen pounds of Solus sixteen.
And now when I shit, my pens.
Has enough toilet paper to clean my fat ass.
Yeah you know, you know what shrink flating is.
Celery.
Okay, maybe you should try it sometimes.
By the way, if we're gonna complain about toilet paper, let's talk about how every time I buy it, the toilet paper, it's like, hey, there's eight rolls, but a mega so it's ten rolls. But really it's actually eight rolls. Again, just tell me tell me how many rolls there. It's not going to do math at CBS. And look, I do think it's a good political issue for Joe Biden to focus on, because do you really think Americans will go to the polls to protect democracy? Hell no, but if you promise to restore another sprinkles on the popcots record turnout. And luckily for Joe Biden, he's now getting help from an ally who speaks to young voters, and I mean really young voters.
This morning, the cookie monster has had enough.
Chip cookie important to me too.
His beef with shrink flation is getting attention on Capitol Hill after he posted quote, me hate shrink flation, me cookies are getting smaller.
Okay, you know what, as a real.
There's a real death of expertise in this country. So I can appreciate what we can't hear from someone who knows what he's talking about.
All right.
From more on Cookie Monsol speaking out, we go live to Sesame Street to our newest member of the Daily Show news team, Josh Johnson. Everybody, Josh, Josh.
What do you think about cookie monssels bout or stringslation?
What do I think?
I think Cookie Monster is being a little blue bitch?
All right?
Why does he care about the price of cookies? Have you seen the way he eats them? Half of them end up on the floor. If the cookies were smaller, maybe they managed to get into his mouth.
Me, No, like inflation.
Stop talking like that. You live on sesame Street. How are you still doing remedial English?
Okay, Josh, look I love hating stuff too. Why don't you be a little too high the monster he's trying to fight. He's trying to fight shrink flation.
Oh you're telling me that Cookie Monster just brought up shrink flation the same week as Biden on his own. The only words I've ever heard cookie monsters say are me and cookie who taught him shrink flation?
Like?
I don't want to start any rumors, but I'm starting to think Cookie Monster is just a puppet.
Okay, look, that's crazy. He talked Johns.
Okay, start of the conspiracy theories. Whether he is or not, shrink flation is real. Okay, It's not just cookies, it's chips, soda, toilet paper.
Explain to me why Cookie Monster cares about toilet paper. He doesn't have a digestive system. He's never taken a shit in his life. He doesn't know the pain of sitting on toy with a full of lamb curry, running out of paper, and having a side step your way out, doing the pants around the ankle waddle like you robbing your own house, only for your girlfriend to walk in see you then immediately walk out. Do you have to deal with that, mister cookie monster? Because me did, me very much did?
Yeah?
But why didn't you just take off your pants completely?
You know what?
No, man, I think it's great that Cookie Monster's bringing attention to an actual problem here.
Okay, it's not even the biggest problem on Sesame Street.
Oscar is still homeless.
Trump's about to deport Rosita and snuff a bucke snuffle up, bucket up, snuffle up.
He in a gang. I'm not gonna lie.
Right, it's pretty messed up that you sent me here, all right. I saw Elmo sell and tickles for five dollars outside Big Bird Nest.
No one here is doing well?
All right, all right, Josh, let's get you out of it.
Hey, hold up.
Hold up?
Do you have five dollars? No? No, no, Josh Johnson, everybody is I'll come back.
You all know what, HURRAI won't be doing a me, so don't go well.
Welcome back to their Daily Show, Today's Super Tuesday.
Hooray.
I guess uh this Super Tuesday. We all know what's gonna happen. Trump's gonna win, Biden's gonna win. I'm gonna get a top of ice cream and hate myself afterwards.
Just a normal Tuesday.
The only question is who will Nikki Hayley support us vote for after she drops out? Jordan Kleppa went to find out in another installment of Fingers the Pulse.
The general election candidates seem all but settled, but Nikki Haley has run a strong campaign, So what will her supporters do if she drops out? I went to North Carolina to one of her Super Tuesday rallies, held at a quaint train station, to find out.
I was a Trump voter in twenty sixteen, not twenty twenty, and so I'm just I'm ready to stop him. I'd like to make him sweat.
How do you make Donald Trump sweat? I think I think probably I'll walk down the stairs, will do it.
Yeah, I have no idea if.
Nikki Haley drops out after Super Tuesday.
Not going to.
She's not going to.
You're defiant, She's not going to. Even if she doesn't have the numbers, she shouldn't drop out. No, No, you sound like a Republican You're just not gonna accept any election result.
No one.
That's right, of course, they'd love to keep going.
Oddly enough, they seemed as anti Maga as the any crowds at a Biden rally.
Mister Trump would sell his own grandmother if he could for a prophet.
First off, I don't think he could win, period, I honestly don't.
And I mean if he does, guess what the country loses because he's out of.
Control, He's chaos.
He's gonna be working on his court cases for the whole time.
After January sixth and all that. I'm like, there's no way I could ever vote for him again.
You still think insurrection? Oh yeah, And just to be clear, insurrection bad. Yes, okay, this is good to know. I'm trying to feel out the elector here.
That's good.
Here was a group of Republicans who don't like Trump, a not insignificant number of voters who could be decisive in the general election. It was finally time to ask the difficult question. If Haley doesn't go past Super Tuesday, who do you plan on voting?
If it's Trump versus Biden. First, I'm gonna have a cry. Then I'm gonna have a beer and then I'm gonna have to pray. And if Nicky Haley isn't in the race, oh, I'm so sad.
I voted for Trump twice. I will not. I can't say I one way for you.
Oh my God, don't put me in that I have to pick between him or Biden.
If it's not Haley in the general election, it's it's really tough the end of the day.
If if I'm forced to, you know, I just it's gonna be really hard.
I mean, it's just hold my.
Nose closed, my eyes and me up.
You know, you're still not sure if you had to vote Biden Trump.
You're still like, you know, would you rather have rat poison or what was the other thing that the people did in Arizona the.
Fish the fish tank cleaner?
Rat poison versus the fish tank cleaner.
N you're horrible.
Let's say Nikki Haley doesn't get past Super Tuesday, right, and it's Biden and it's Trump.
Where's your head at?
I just think both of them are too old.
You know.
We shouldn't be voting for octagenarians at this point.
Now, Yes, I don't know, let.
Me try some more up, give me some put you in the making a decision.
All right, Pizza Burgers, I'll go pizza great Alien, Predator Alien, Barbie Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer, Trump, Biden, m.
I must say Biden.
Wow.
Some are ready to turn the pay don Maga, while others are still working through some things. Do you feel Donald Trump poses an existential threat to American democracy?
I really?
Do?
You do? I do? So you're like Donald Trump, I'm done with him?
No?
Done?
Yeah, completely, Donald Donald Trump completely done.
Hypothetically, if it is Biden versus Trump.
Who do you support? It's really gonna.
Be a toss up for me, because I am it'll be Trump.
But I you know, I'd rather just almost not.
Vote, But I will, I mean, and it'll be Trump.
I think.
So that guy you just said you're done with, well struggling, just trying to be nice. Why can't you be done with Donald Trump?
He's it's just hmm and the sex cases and I'm the I mean, come on, just the fact that you have all the criminal stuff.
It's insane, It is insane.
No one should support him for president now, yes, yeah, but if it's him versus Biden, you will support him for president.
I think so.
Yeah, the process of soul searching can be agonizing for these never well maybe just for a third time Trumpers. But maybe the pain is a sign of growth. Do you think Trump poses an existential threat to the American way of life?
I think Trump will sell Ukraine to pood. It's a threat to global security, and it's to me, it's a big issue.
If we get to the place where it's just Trump versus Biden, who do you support?
Well, I don't want to vote for either one of those characters, right, I.
Mean one person you just described as an existential threat to global security.
Yeah, but even with that, voting for an old man is too much.
That's for voting for nothing.
Yeah, I mean, like global security risk or nothing. I'm not saying those are great options, but I'm also saying that's not a hard decision.
That's a hard decision to me.
It is you could you could feel nothing, Okay, it'd be nice to feel something inside, or you could feel getting punched in the nuts. If you had to choose feeling nothing or punched in the nuts, it feels like a no brainer.
Hey, so at least if you get punched in the nuts, you can fight back. You're still there.
Trump twenty twenty four. It's like a punch of the nuts. At least you'll feel something.
Yeah, thank you, Jordan.
When we come back, you don't know Harari will be joining me on the show, so don't go away. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is a historian flaw So. I'm best selling author of Sapiens. His latest Hurdren's book is called Unstoppable Us, Volume two, Why the World Is Unfair?
Please welcome.
You've out Noah Harari, all right, you are.
Thanks for joining me.
I think you know, watching your stuff for the last like over ten years before I came to America.
Love it.
You kind of specialize in dealing with the history of humanity and the rise and falls of civilization. What made you think that was appropriate topic for children? This is some very heavy stuff, man.
Yes, but you know you need to understand history to know even the most basic things about yourself. Like when I was a kid, I was I often woke up in the middle of the night afraid there is a monster under the bed, which happens to a lot of children.
Yes, and you call your mom, but you.
Also want to know why is it happening right? And history actually holds the answer. What is the answer, Because this is really a memory from hundreds of thousands of years ago when humans lived in the savannah, and they're actually monsters, cheetahs, lions that came to eat kids in the moment.
So is that something you want kids to know? Yes, that these monsters were once real and they killed kids in their sleeve.
It's important to know that because you then understand your own emotions and feelings better. You know, you understand that I'm not crazy to be afraid of these things. Or for instance, you know, lots of kids, like adults, they wonder why do I like to eat so much stuff that isn't good for me?
It's something wrong with my body?
And again history holds the answer what is Because all those hundreds of thousands of years ago, it actually made sense. If you walk along with the savannah and you find something sweet, like sweet fruits, it makes sense to each as much of it as quickly as possible, because if you eat just one or two fruits and go away, by the time you come back, the baboons ate everything. So it makes sense under those conditions. Now today it doesn't make sense when you open the refrigerator and find a chocolate cake to all.
Of it, but your body doesn't know.
Your body basically follows the program of evolution from all those years ago.
Yeah, it's programmed. So if you can't do it, there, stop it.
And you can't, you stop it.
But understanding yourself better is an important step. Okay, well, having greater control of your life.
Those are good examples. But I'm gonna quote your book here.
Yes, please, let's get to the chapter in the children's book called Diarrhea Days where I quote someone who got diarrhea, couldn't keep down any food or water, and sometimes they died from it. It is this something you really want kids to know?
Yes, because you know it actually explains where most of the epidemics and infectious diseases came from. Hunter gatherers suffered from no epidemics. They lived in very small bands. If somebody had the arhea, then immediately all the band moved to another place, and in any case, only.
Like a few people could get it.
Okay, But once once people switched to agriculture and we had the big agricultural revolution, then.
You have thousands of people stuck permanently in.
The town, the first humans air low berries and share their pants and move.
On and ja, Yes, how do you tell that to kids?
Though? Like, what's your approach to telling you know? How do you even everything you just told me? As an adult? I'm fascinated by or when you tell a kid, are they you know, they're like, okay, give me more berries?
You know what I mean? Like, how do they you know?
How do they absorb the lesson you're trying to tell them?
I hope that it's written in such a way that even somebody who is eight or nine is fully capable of understanding it.
It's actually more difficult.
To write for kids than for adults, I agree, because with adults, if you don't know something, you just use these complicated words and long sentences, and they think they don't understand you because they don't understand.
With kids, you have to speak very simply.
Yeah, like sometimes we died from diarrhea.
Yeah.
See, so this is what I think. This is what I think I think you wrote. You've written Sapiens before, which is a great book for adults, and I think that there's too many dumb people who couldn't understand what you're saying.
So you wrote this not for kids. You wrote this for dumb adults. That's really what this is.
This is a book you took it that you put some pictures in there. There's an illustration of someone dying from diarrhea. This isn't from kid, this is for dumb adults. Right, that's planation, right, and you want and like you know, I feel like a lot of what you're telling us is the message of what history is trying to tell us.
Now.
I feel like that's what you're trying to decode right now, a lot of it. And I guess what is the message that history is trying to tell us?
Now? Many messages.
I mean, one thing is to be aware of unintended consequences of what we do.
Like again, the agricultural revolution. People thought it was a good idea.
It brought about epidemics, so same lesson for the big revolutions of.
Right now, like AI.
The more important message is that the world in which we live have been created by humans, and therefore humans can change it if something is unfair. It's not the laws of nature that created you know, our economy, our nations, our religions, they're all created by human beings, right, And.
Yeah, you see, that's that untopeful. But if you think about you're like, oh, no, humans did all this?
What hold do we have? No?
I know, but like what do we have of changing things? I mean how much? I guess what I'm saying is how much of this is inevitable? You know, like when you study history, you go.
History is never terministic. I mean, like you think about the technology.
Every technology can be used to create very different societies. You think about I don't know, North Korea and South Korea exactly the same technology, but the US electricity in a slightly different way. One place they produce kpop and just up north big hats and missiles.
So okay, am I supposed to just take that? Or okay, fine, Well.
On the most serious level, again, people have a lot of fears about technology, what it will do to our politics. But again you think about South Korea and North Korea, so the same people, same history, same technology, and you have a liberal democracy on once in a totalitarian regime on the other. So it's not a technology that is shaping our politics of our regimes. It is what we decide to do with the technology.
Sure well you say that, you say that we are in charge of the technology in a way. Yeah, but you know, the kind of one of the thesis statements of your book is that we're all going to get replaced by technological being.
The wrong decisions.
I mean again, it's it's not inevitable AI like electricity, like you know, the earliest I don't know writing when people invented writing. So you can do many things with the technology of writing. The you can write poetry, you can write taxes.
You can write you can say, well you can write.
Like a you can. But again it's a choice of people.
Actually, interestingly enough, the first person that we know his name, he was not a conqueror.
He was not a big prophet or king. He was a geek. He was an accountant. Like we have these.
Stones and clay tablets from ancient Mesopotamia with accounts of payments and receipts and salaries and stuff like that, signed by these ancient geeks, and they are the first people.
Okay, So.
You keep calling these people geeks, and I'm like, do you like them or you don't like them?
I don't are they good or they're bad?
They're good. I mean, Jesus said the geek would inherit the earth.
No, all right, So back on that topic. So you keep saying, you know, stories are the superpower of humans in a way, right, everything we kind of do if you think about it, from culture, the politics, even money.
Money, Money is the greatest story ever told. It's the only story everybody believes. And you know it's when you look at it. It has no value in itself. The value comes only from the stories we tell about it, as every cryptocurrency guru or bitcoin in.
Food the US.
No, it's all about the stories. There is nothing else. It's just the story.
Okay, So is it real? Is a big cooin? You telling me investing big poins right now?
I don't know.
Is there a good thing or bad thing?
I think it's it's kind of a cyclical thing. If enough people believe in it, then you can go to the supermarket and buy whatever you want. If people lose faith in the story, then it's worth nothing. And that's true of the bitcoin, It's true of the dollar and of every other currency is that people ever invented?
Okay. You see when you talk about these things, you're always very objective. You always be like, hey man, I'm just I'm just telling you how it is.
I'm not.
What do you think do you think you know? What makes you go for this? You know, because because when you talk about history always like you know, the humans came out and then some of the eight berries, and you know you maintain this kind of academic objectivity.
But what what makes Yeah? But what actually do you go for this? Ship?
This is awful? What makes you go? Because you seem to be okay with everything like she is? It's a tool. We don't know, you go like, AYI this is bad? Like what what makes you go?
Now?
The question about every story, whether about money, ai, whatever, is whether it increases or decreases the suffering in the world.
See, this is a non answer. Just tell me what you hate, Tell me what you.
Hate, what I hate? Yeah?
Okay, So okay, can we tell this right now? So you think that, uh you're openly atheists?
Yes?
Yes, So can you clarify right now that God is just made up?
Okay? So God has made we had it here?
Okay.
Can you say to the camera please mean that.
Humans created God?
Okay, great, that we settled it. That's great, this guy, we solved it.
Again, it should be emphasized just because human created it doesn't mean it's bad, it can also do good things.
Stop hatting this, just let it right, just go it sucks. We need more see this is my this is my problem. I think we need more people with kind of objectivity, calmly discussing things. I don't think that's you know, is anything in what you've seen with humanity telling you that we can, you know, pull ourselves out of you know, all these downslides in history.
Absolutely, I mean humans have enorm I mean, all the problems we face, we also have the resources to deal with them, whether it's climate change, whether it's the rise of AI.
We have the resources.
What we usually lack is the motivation and the ability to cooperate within another. But I mean, you know, some people think that to solve the big problems you always need to use violence, like you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs. But when you look at history, it's absolutely not true. You think, for instance, about the feminist revolution. After thousands of years of a huge injustice, feminism made a huge change in the social structure of humanity without starting any wars, without assassinating anybody.
Gilliatins in city square.
So that's one of the hopeful examples of how people can just by changing the story also change the world. I mean the idea that stories.
I think you're converting people to your religion, the idea.
That the story is kind of fuel history. There is a positive promise there that, you know, if it's all about power, the only way to change power structures is with violence. But if it's really, at least in part about the stories people believe, then potentially by talking with people and changing the stories in which in which they believe, you can change the world.
Okay, that's very optimistic, but I'm not over so I mean, one last question. What I really enjoyed by your work is that you like to tie kind of current modern behavior to like our evolutionary beginnings. For example, you know, like you said, we ran, we wake up in the middle of the night when we're kids because we ran from actual monsters children. So I just like to know, why is it that whenever I pe, I shiver, like, what was the evolutionary Maybe.
You should ask a doctor. I'm not sure.
No, I'm asking you, mister expert.
I'm not an actual from everything.
The last thing I found very interesting is you said that, like, right now we have humans composing things and AI amplifying it. That's our current situation. You say, in the future, we're going to have AI composing things.
And what is the images you saw before of AI generating fake images?
Yes, this is basically a kind of art.
So it's still the first steps, right, but AI is still a baby. It's like, you know, ten years since the start of the of the major AI revolution, so we haven't seen anything yet, and it is very likely between a couple of years of decades, much of our many of the stories we believing in religion, will be increasingly created by this alien intelligence and not by human intelligence.
Okay, see that's bad.
That's a bad thing.
Well you just said that.
That's not a very dangerous thing. Yes, absolutely, Okay.
So are you gonna say that? Can you at least say that's bad?
Yeah, that's bad.
Okay, I finally got to say something bad. Okay, I don't know.
I guess I'm equal parts hopeful and pessimistic about the future.
I'm sorry, that's a good stance.
Yeah, all right, thank you so much for speaking to me. Unstoppable us volumeteer as available. Now you've all Noah, Harari, everybody, We're gonna take a quick break.
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