Bob Odenkirk - On Failure, “Better Call Saul” and Fatherhood

Published Apr 2, 2022, 3:30 AM

Actor, director and writer Bob Odenkirk discusses how “Better Call Saul” came to be, his recent heart attack experience and his new memoir “Comedy Comedy Comedy Drama.”

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You're listening to Comedy Central. Wook, Welcome to the day Show. Hello Trevor, um, to see you, good, to see you here. Good. Yeah, good to be in the Space round table. Thank you so much for joining me, especially to talk about a book that I mean, it's like part memoir, but really it's I feel like this is a how to guide for anybody who wants to just work and grind through life. I hope. So that would be great if it had more than one use. No, I feel like that's one of the biggest uses. That's when we hold the door open to stick it under the door. Please. But it's a really good book about your life but comedy. It's about show biz, it's about hanging in there. It's about a lot of dead ends, which uh I only included about I'm gonna say a third of the dead ends because it's very hard to write about shows and things that no one's ever gonna see or can see. I I wrote the book for a number of reasons. One, you know, pop culture moves so fast these days, and a lot of the things I did are smaller, cultish things. I'm still very proud of them. Mr Show. I was part of Get a life helping with Tenacious D and Tim and Eric and and but these things are all going to get covered over by lots more gloppy comedy and stuff. All of these feel like the stepping stones that got you to the world that we see you, and now that the person that we see today. I like, I fell in love with the obviously, like many people from Breaking Bad, you know, that's the way I went. Like this guy is I never loved a lawyer who's sneezy, who's you know what I mean? I feel like you changed how we even see lawyers for some reason. Love this guy. Guys he's a bad you think way you think he's a bad guy. No, No, I think he's a good guy. But his guys, his choice to be Saul good Man, uh to put on this front you you know, embrace situational ethics. I think it's a bad choice. I don't like. Yes, I think it's don't like people like that. But in the end, in the end, because I know the end. Now we finished two weeks ago tomorrow, we finished shooting. This is long away to be in the end. I like where it goes. Okay, okay, so we'll see you will see when when when you read this book, I mean the titles is a comedy, comedy, comedy, drama. I don't know your story. A lot of people don't know your story. They just see a person on TV. They like, this person is amazing. Then we see you somewhere else, this person is even more amazing. We assume life has always been amazing. Then we see the grind. We see, like you said, it's failure, failure, failure did end, didn't, didn't, didn't moment of success no failure, failure did and didn't moment again. And it feels like throughout your life, like Saul Goodman, you've been just trying to get that grip on on this world, in this career. Are you happy with where your life has gotten to? Is this a celebration of that now? Very much? Yeah? And by the way, I mean, look, I've had unbelievable success in the last few years with better Coalsaul in this film, actual film nobody played really well around the world, And uh, of course that informs it. But I'm very happy with where I'm at. But I also I am happy with all the variety of things that I did and have gotten to do. And I think that that's A great quality to show businesses is the different avenues you can go down over time. Because this business loves people reinventing themselves. It does feed on the injured. You know, if you're trailing blood, you will get eaten and spit out. But if you can just regenerate yourself quickly and go I'm back, the business is like, oh great, he's back, and and that's pretty neat. I was really touched by you sharing parts of your story and how you know you grew up is one of seven siblings, right, you know, and your dad was struggling with alcoholism, walked out on the family, et cetera. It feels like that really changed a lot of how you wanted to be a dad. Like in the book, there's a really beautiful part where you go, I don't want to do better coal Soul because I want to be a better dad. I want to be at home. And then it's your kids who say, no, you gotta go do the show. Did you manage to call the kids? How did this? I don't wonder too much about it, but that does seem a little magical because my kids were thirteen and fifteen at the time, and then when they first came to me and said, we are going to do we want to do better call Soul. It was a joke at first. The first scene I did with Brian Cranson on the set of Breaking Dad in the office. As soon as we were done with the take, one of the camera crew said, can I get a job on the sequel? And everyone laughed, and then it became this kind of running joke. There's got to be a sequel. They should do a show about Saul. And then Vince Gilligan came to me more than once. Do you think there's a show in that about Saul? I think there is. But when they said you know it's shot in Albuquerque, I looked at my kids and I thought about our life, and I did think of all my own dad and he did not prioritize his family at all. And I just said, I can't do it. I can't leave yet. There's too much work here at the house. And uh, the kids overheard that, and I hung up the phone and my son was standing there across the room and he he goes, so you're not gonna do that show? Huh? And I go, no, no, it's not it's not time. And he goes, well, you're gonna disappoint a lot of people. And uh. And then we carried on talking and he said, we'll help out at the house. Dad, We'll make it work. So I let it go. And then my daughter came to me and she had talked to my son, and uh. And my daughter was more like a kid who grew up in how they would with questions, Uh, what would it be like? Would it be hard to do? Do you think people would like it? And then she said if it's bad, how bad would it be? Real manager type year old? Yes, And I go, it wouldn't be bad. It would be an interesting experiment. That's the worst it would be. And she goes, well you should do it. I love that. I love that. Before I let you go, how's your hearts? By the great? I did? I did? You just have you know? I finished the book long before I had the heart attack. Um I did. I had a heart attack. And I was very lucky to have it on the set And there were some pros around who immediately gave me CPR and everybody listening take a CPR class, brush up on it. They saved my life. You you don't remember any of that. I don't remember any of it. The next after the surgery, I woke up. My family was there and I was like, hey. I was like, I gotta go back to work. And they were I'm in a hospital gown and and they go, um, no, you don't you have an heart attack. I'm like, well, no, no, what no, I was. I was at work. And then they go, how did you get here? And I go and my brain did this all on its own. I d I drove here, and I parked on level two and then because I knew you guys were here, and and then I came in here and my wife goes, so you came in here, and you got in that bed and you put that gown on. And I looked down and I'm like, yeah, Like my brain made up a little story about how I had gotten there. Totally weird, but I'm great. I'm glad man, I'm glad. I'm glad, you're great. I'm glad we get to celebrate the final season with you. I'm glad we said we get to celebrate the book with you. Um, congratulations, thanks for congratulations on your life and say heights of the kids. I will thank them for all of us as the fans. I will We really do appreciate them, all right, people. Bob's book, Comedy Comedy, Comedy Drama is available right now. What's the Daily Show weeknights at eleven tent Central on Comedy Central and stream full episodes anytime I'm on Paramount Plus. This has been a Comedy Central podcast

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