I’ve had some well-documentedtrouble with our neighborhood squirrels over the last few winters. It could be that most homeowners in the Northeast and beyond feel like they’ve had some sort of conflict with the local squirrels.

But we maybe misunderstand squirrels. Their seemingly scattershot behaviors actually suggest a fascinating intelligence and intentionality. And while we see squirrels as a nemesis of birds and bird feeders, squirrels actually plant a lot of the trees birds live and nest in.

At the same time, for some people, squirrels are nightmare fuel.

And if you happen to suffer from that so-called sciurophobia, don’t read this next thing: It would seem that the normally essentially vegetarian California ground squirrel has recently developed carnivorous hunting skills at the expense of the local vole population.

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Nancy Lawson: The author, most recently, of Wildscape: Trilling Chipmunks, Beckoning Blooms, Salty Butterflies, and other Sensory Wonders of Nature and the founder of The Humane Gardner
Jennifer Smith: A behavioral ecologist and an associate professor at the University of Wisconsin—Eau Claire, where she leads the Behavioral Ecology of Social Mammals Lab

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Colin McEnroe contributed to this show, which originally aired February 12, 2025.

I&rsquo;ve had some <a href="https://secure.ctpublic.org/page/email/message/view?templateId=280602" data-cms-ai="0">well</a>-<a href="https://secure.ctpublic.org/page/email/message/view?templateId=351787" data-cms-ai="0">documented</a> <a href="https://secure.ctpublic.org/page/email/message/view?templateId=353687" data-cms-ai="0">trouble</a> with our neighborhood squirrels over the last few winters. It could be that most homeowners in the Northeast and beyond feel like they&rsquo;ve had some sort of conflict with the local squirrels.
But we maybe misunderstand squirrels. Their seemingly scattershot behaviors actually suggest a fascinating intelligence and intentionality. And while we see squirrels as a nemesis of birds and bird feeders, <a href="https://www.humanegardener.com/squirrels-natures-real-gardeners/" data-cms-ai="0">squirrels actually plant a lot of the trees birds live and nest in</a>.
At the same time, for some people, <a href="https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/opinion/2019/10/14/squirrels-phobia-sciurophobia-battle-creek/3945645002/" data-cms-ai="0">squirrels are nightmare fuel</a>.
And if you happen to suffer from that so-called sciurophobia, don&rsquo;t read this next thing: It would seem that the normally essentially vegetarian California ground squirrel has recently developed <a href="https://www.ucdavis.edu/climate/news/carnivorous-feeding-squirrels-documented-california" data-cms-ai="0">carnivorous hunting skills</a> at the expense of the local vole population.
GUESTS:
<ul>
<li>Nick Buckley: A freelance journalist and photographer</li>
<li>Nancy Lawson: The author, most recently, of <a href="https://www.humanegardener.com/wildscape/" data-cms-ai="0">Wildscape: Trilling Chipmunks, Beckoning Blooms, Salty Butterflies, and other Sensory Wonders of Nature</a> and the founder of <a href="https://www.humanegardener.com/" data-cms-ai="0">The Humane Gardner</a></li>
<li>Jennifer Smith: A behavioral ecologist and an associate professor at the University of Wisconsin&mdash;Eau Claire, where she leads the <a href="https://www.jenniferelainesmith.com/research.html" data-cms-ai="0">Behavioral Ecology of Social Mammals Lab</a></li>
</ul>
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Colin McEnroe contributed to this show, which originally aired February 12, 2025.

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