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Welcome to the Clink Podcast. You wouldn't have heard my voice before.

Welcome to the Clink Podcast. You wouldn't have heard my voice before.

My name is Jay.

My name is Jay.

I actually work really closely with brent On, the producer of this podcast, and I'm sitting here with him right now, and I've actually never seen him so uncomfortable.

I actually work really closely with brent On, the producer of this podcast, and I'm sitting here with him right now, and I've actually never seen him so uncomfortable.

I think uncomfortable an understatement, to be honest with you, mate, I never really wanted to sit down.

I think uncomfortable an understatement, to be honest with you, mate, I never really wanted to sit down.

And I mean not that I haven't told my story before.

And I mean not that I haven't told my story before.

There's been plenty of documentaries and media done about my life and a story of redemption. But when it's your own story, your own podcast, and everybody's asking for it, it has to be nothing but the best. So today's will be one that goes quite deep.

There's been plenty of documentaries and media done about my life and a story of redemption. But when it's your own story, your own podcast, and everybody's asking for it, it has to be nothing but the best. So today's will be one that goes quite deep.

We've had a shitload of people ask for this story, and I know we've been talking about it for pretty much six or seven weeks about you wanting whether you wanted to do it or not, and I think the fact that you're doing it is is admirable. And I know there's going to be a lot of people that hear this and and thank you for talking. So let's get into it.

We've had a shitload of people ask for this story, and I know we've been talking about it for pretty much six or seven weeks about you wanting whether you wanted to do it or not, and I think the fact that you're doing it is is admirable. And I know there's going to be a lot of people that hear this and and thank you for talking. So let's get into it.

Hey, yeah, it's been a quite an anxious day here.

Hey, yeah, it's been a quite an anxious day here.

We are welcome to Melwoodie Studio.

We are welcome to Melwoodie Studio.

Is he live and corrupted on the goldcast. I'm here about to share my story for the record.

Is he live and corrupted on the goldcast. I'm here about to share my story for the record.

I don't try and make you uncomfortable for the record. You ain't trying world downer stuff for your for the record, lab on me going hard away for a record. Ain't trying to link no China waste stuff.

I don't try and make you uncomfortable for the record. You ain't trying world downer stuff for your for the record, lab on me going hard away for a record. Ain't trying to link no China waste stuff.

For the record, for the record, for the record, for the right for a ready photo record.

For the record, for the record, for the record, for the right for a ready photo record.

Don't try and make you uncomfortable.

Don't try and make you uncomfortable.

Hm.

Hm.

Let's start as a kid. As a kid, tell me about the early days before you attend.

Let's start as a kid. As a kid, tell me about the early days before you attend.

Yeah. So, I originally was born on the North Shore of Sydney in mainly district hospital, middle class sort of parents, I guess, hard workers back then. What I can remember, we moved out to the western suburbs of Sydney. I think it was about four three or four and straight out of the north Shore of d Why and straight into a place called Bradbury, right in the thick of the Housing Commission, predominantly an indigenous community all around there. Yeah, it was very intimidating, very overwhelming. It was a big lesson that sort of started my life off, and I guess it's given me the strength to be where I am today. Brothers, sisters. Yeah, I got a brother. He's four years younger than your sister. That's two years younger than me. Unfortunately, over many years we were separated, possibly about fourteen years.

Yeah. So, I originally was born on the North Shore of Sydney in mainly district hospital, middle class sort of parents, I guess, hard workers back then. What I can remember, we moved out to the western suburbs of Sydney. I think it was about four three or four and straight out of the north Shore of d Why and straight into a place called Bradbury, right in the thick of the Housing Commission, predominantly an indigenous community all around there. Yeah, it was very intimidating, very overwhelming. It was a big lesson that sort of started my life off, and I guess it's given me the strength to be where I am today. Brothers, sisters. Yeah, I got a brother. He's four years younger than your sister. That's two years younger than me. Unfortunately, over many years we were separated, possibly about fourteen years.

They left when my mother left me and took off with them.

They left when my mother left me and took off with them.

Yeah, let's talk about that, your mum. I don't really want to fucking talk about it at all. Yeah, I'm not interested. Don't have anything to do with deside I want to Yeah, Okay. My father was a heavy drinker. He was a workaholic and what I would call an alcoholic. He would drink a flag and a pentholes were all reserve back in the day, and nothing to knock off, a bottle of Grant Scotch and whatever else was there and be out the back, ripping off the fence, palings with all the uncles around the area, creating bonfires or fucking night and getting blind. How old were you at that stone? Back to about six years of age, five six years of age, and that was pretty well the way it was.

Yeah, let's talk about that, your mum. I don't really want to fucking talk about it at all. Yeah, I'm not interested. Don't have anything to do with deside I want to Yeah, Okay. My father was a heavy drinker. He was a workaholic and what I would call an alcoholic. He would drink a flag and a pentholes were all reserve back in the day, and nothing to knock off, a bottle of Grant Scotch and whatever else was there and be out the back, ripping off the fence, palings with all the uncles around the area, creating bonfires or fucking night and getting blind. How old were you at that stone? Back to about six years of age, five six years of age, and that was pretty well the way it was.

There was a lot of.

There was a lot of.

I guess now I know a lot of tension in the home between my parents back then. They just yeah, there was something much deeper than I ever knew. That wasn't good. My father was very very aggressive, quite violent towards my mum and me back then because I was the oldest and I was always sort of jumping in in front of my mom, and yeah, I copped the brun of it, so to speak. I was also too being sexually abused by three perpetrators, one that lived at the bottom of the coulder sack and two that lived over the back fence. And that went on for probably the age of six right through till about eight and a half. And it was the worst, the worst part of my life that I can remember growing up, basically being forced to give oral sex and you know, masturbate and just sick, sick, fucking shit that kids should never ever have to go through. And you knew these people. I knew them. They knew me that my father drank with their uncle. You know. I remember one time they used to hide up the bush and I had to go through a bush which back then was like a creek bed to go to football training because I played rugby league and I was right right until I was an adult. I was a really good rugby league player that had the opportunity to play in the RL, and my stability and mental ability didn't allow me to play. That I had talent, but I had other things going on in my life with no support.

I guess now I know a lot of tension in the home between my parents back then. They just yeah, there was something much deeper than I ever knew. That wasn't good. My father was very very aggressive, quite violent towards my mum and me back then because I was the oldest and I was always sort of jumping in in front of my mom, and yeah, I copped the brun of it, so to speak. I was also too being sexually abused by three perpetrators, one that lived at the bottom of the coulder sack and two that lived over the back fence. And that went on for probably the age of six right through till about eight and a half. And it was the worst, the worst part of my life that I can remember growing up, basically being forced to give oral sex and you know, masturbate and just sick, sick, fucking shit that kids should never ever have to go through. And you knew these people. I knew them. They knew me that my father drank with their uncle. You know. I remember one time they used to hide up the bush and I had to go through a bush which back then was like a creek bed to go to football training because I played rugby league and I was right right until I was an adult. I was a really good rugby league player that had the opportunity to play in the RL, and my stability and mental ability didn't allow me to play. That I had talent, but I had other things going on in my life with no support.

And going back to that period of my.

And going back to that period of my.

Life when I was a child, I would go to football training, leave home and go around the back up through a bush. And these perpetrators knew that that would be the way I would go. They knew that, I know, they knew they were a lot older. They knew that there wasn't things good at home, and I got sick of it, and they used to threaten me and get physical with me and force me to do things that I basically couldn't escape from doing. It was just they were, you know, they were ten years older than me. So these kids were seven oh fuck yeah, yeah, absolutely fully grown men. Yep, two brothers. And I remember coming back one day and I remember threatening to go and to tell on them, and my father was out on the room and he had been drinking and he was with their uncle and they had a sister, and they had said that they'd bolted back and beat me to the house and said that they'd caught me and their sister, whom was I think probably about two years younger than me, so what was like six seven, so she was, you know five for something like that that we were seeing in the bush playing doctors and nurses basically, you know, inappropriate stuff.

Life when I was a child, I would go to football training, leave home and go around the back up through a bush. And these perpetrators knew that that would be the way I would go. They knew that, I know, they knew they were a lot older. They knew that there wasn't things good at home, and I got sick of it, and they used to threaten me and get physical with me and force me to do things that I basically couldn't escape from doing. It was just they were, you know, they were ten years older than me. So these kids were seven oh fuck yeah, yeah, absolutely fully grown men. Yep, two brothers. And I remember coming back one day and I remember threatening to go and to tell on them, and my father was out on the room and he had been drinking and he was with their uncle and they had a sister, and they had said that they'd bolted back and beat me to the house and said that they'd caught me and their sister, whom was I think probably about two years younger than me, so what was like six seven, so she was, you know five for something like that that we were seeing in the bush playing doctors and nurses basically, you know, inappropriate stuff.

And it was an absolute lie.

And it was an absolute lie.

It was purely made up to make me look like a liar that was coming back and they were the you know that the Royal fucking Battalion coming in and going, oh han, we just caught him. You know, that moment is embedded in my life because I was a young boy in tears, screaming out for help and I just remember getting the biggest fucking back end of my life that lifted me clean off of fucking four foot Verrenda flat onto a driveway, and at that moment, I I just wanted to really fucking kill people. I hated the world. I hated everybody. I had to deal with it because there was the separation of my parents. My mother didn't want anything to do with me because I reminded her too much of my father. My father didn't want the responsibility at that stage of taking me on, so he was very angry. And at that stage too, I was being abused at a primary school that I went to by two Marris Brothers, and I won't go into too much of that at moment because that's still proceeding through court. So as you can imagine a young man basically being raped and torn from every fucking angle.

It was purely made up to make me look like a liar that was coming back and they were the you know that the Royal fucking Battalion coming in and going, oh han, we just caught him. You know, that moment is embedded in my life because I was a young boy in tears, screaming out for help and I just remember getting the biggest fucking back end of my life that lifted me clean off of fucking four foot Verrenda flat onto a driveway, and at that moment, I I just wanted to really fucking kill people. I hated the world. I hated everybody. I had to deal with it because there was the separation of my parents. My mother didn't want anything to do with me because I reminded her too much of my father. My father didn't want the responsibility at that stage of taking me on, so he was very angry. And at that stage too, I was being abused at a primary school that I went to by two Marris Brothers, and I won't go into too much of that at moment because that's still proceeding through court. So as you can imagine a young man basically being raped and torn from every fucking angle.

With yeah, no support, nowhere to go, it was pretty tough.

With yeah, no support, nowhere to go, it was pretty tough.

I remember watching you and Russell Mans to talk, and Russ has been a big supporter of you in particular around this area, and I remember you saying to him in the chat that you could see the pain in his eyes when he told you that story. I can see the same pain in your eyes right now.

I remember watching you and Russell Mans to talk, and Russ has been a big supporter of you in particular around this area, and I remember you saying to him in the chat that you could see the pain in his eyes when he told you that story. I can see the same pain in your eyes right now.

Man. Yeah, It's it's never easy. And I mean, look, yes, it's public knowledge that I've done interviews with my past and my present, and the things have been spoken about. But as I said in the beginning, you only I guess touch on things when you're being interviewed by media and stuff. This is my story, this is my podcast, and I feel that if I'm going to do this, I need to yeah, deliver it in the most honest, honest way that I can. So that was that was the start of my my life. And yeah, my rebellious, my drug taking, my alcoholism, my crime, it all just just kicked off from there.

Man. Yeah, It's it's never easy. And I mean, look, yes, it's public knowledge that I've done interviews with my past and my present, and the things have been spoken about. But as I said in the beginning, you only I guess touch on things when you're being interviewed by media and stuff. This is my story, this is my podcast, and I feel that if I'm going to do this, I need to yeah, deliver it in the most honest, honest way that I can. So that was that was the start of my my life. And yeah, my rebellious, my drug taking, my alcoholism, my crime, it all just just kicked off from there.

Those two young men that did those horrible things, did they ever face any retribution?

Those two young men that did those horrible things, did they ever face any retribution?

And look, as I said, you know, I was a young boy trying to voice my opinion. I mean, I was being molested at school. I made that aware, and I got the cane, and I remember getting the cane from the principal and I come off the back of me apparently saying to a girl that she was frigid. Now I don't recall ever saying it, nine ten years of age to a girl that was supposed to be my girlfriend, she was frigid, But anyway, that's what was said. I had spoken to this particular principal, who was a Maris brother at the time.

And look, as I said, you know, I was a young boy trying to voice my opinion. I mean, I was being molested at school. I made that aware, and I got the cane, and I remember getting the cane from the principal and I come off the back of me apparently saying to a girl that she was frigid. Now I don't recall ever saying it, nine ten years of age to a girl that was supposed to be my girlfriend, she was frigid, But anyway, that's what was said. I had spoken to this particular principal, who was a Maris brother at the time.

I'd also told.

I'd also told.

Him what was happening, and I was flogged. My old man flogged me. No one gave a fuck. Nobody back then, no one wanted to know about it. And you know, I was a troublesome child from a troublesome home. You know who's going to believe a kid screaming out for help. It's attention, isn't it. So Uh, it was a very tough cookie to swallow, especially needs to come those two perpetrators. There was three there was another another bloke and I'll fucking say his name. It was David and Peter Russell were the two blokes behind me and Peter Mumray. And his nickname was bum Jack Mummery. And that was for the reason that he that's what he did. I wasn't the only person that he attacked. Benjel. Now, Mate, I've gotta be really honest with you and with everybody out there. In all the years of jail that I've done, I sat in every fucking year praying that one of those dogs would walk through because I would ram a blade through their fucking throats. And I'd be still sitting there today. And I've got to say, and we'll get into this a little bit later, that I'm thankful to God because I wouldn't have my four beautiful children, my beautiful wife. I wouldn't be here now having this wonderful moment to share to hopefully help others. I wouldn't have achieved some of the great things that I have achieved. I wouldn't have been able to let go of feeling a victim. Yep. I would have still been sitting in jail doing life for you know, pedophiles that molested me, which I got no problem, but it would have destroyed my life completely and at the end of the day, they would have won.

Him what was happening, and I was flogged. My old man flogged me. No one gave a fuck. Nobody back then, no one wanted to know about it. And you know, I was a troublesome child from a troublesome home. You know who's going to believe a kid screaming out for help. It's attention, isn't it. So Uh, it was a very tough cookie to swallow, especially needs to come those two perpetrators. There was three there was another another bloke and I'll fucking say his name. It was David and Peter Russell were the two blokes behind me and Peter Mumray. And his nickname was bum Jack Mummery. And that was for the reason that he that's what he did. I wasn't the only person that he attacked. Benjel. Now, Mate, I've gotta be really honest with you and with everybody out there. In all the years of jail that I've done, I sat in every fucking year praying that one of those dogs would walk through because I would ram a blade through their fucking throats. And I'd be still sitting there today. And I've got to say, and we'll get into this a little bit later, that I'm thankful to God because I wouldn't have my four beautiful children, my beautiful wife. I wouldn't be here now having this wonderful moment to share to hopefully help others. I wouldn't have achieved some of the great things that I have achieved. I wouldn't have been able to let go of feeling a victim. Yep. I would have still been sitting in jail doing life for you know, pedophiles that molested me, which I got no problem, but it would have destroyed my life completely and at the end of the day, they would have won.

At what point after that happened, your mum leaves your dad is difficult? Do you decide that, fuck it, I'm just gonna I'm just going to come on the street.

At what point after that happened, your mum leaves your dad is difficult? Do you decide that, fuck it, I'm just gonna I'm just going to come on the street.

I'm just going to live on. Well, it sort of didn't exactly happen like that. So I was dumped basically out the front of a place where my father was living. He wasn't there, and I was left in the gutter to wait for him to get home, just with a bag, and he sort of got home and was, you know, he didn't know what to fucking do, but he took me in. He knew that, you know, I was rebelling, I was trouble, and that my mother had left and taken my siblings. And that was the last thing I'd pretty much heard of them for many, many, many, many many years. He ended up with a woman, and I won't disclose her name for respect. I'm not I got no fucking respect for her. She's a bitch, but I just won't go into putting a name out there. She didn't want me to live with her and her three children. My father was moving in with them, and so long and short of it all, I obviously ended up going with the old boy for a while. He's drinking continued, his aggression continued, continued to her, continued to me. She didn't want me there. I mean, my nickname was Otto. We'd sit at a fucking dinner table and I'd be fed scraps and leftovers while her three kids were fed a beautiful meal with vegetables or snitzele, and you know, I'd literally they would call me Otto. So when the auto bins first come out, the wheely bins, they were called auto bins. Well, my nickname was Otto because I just got fed the shit, second class citizen, bucking scrap. So here I am dealing with that as well. I didn't want to be there. I became extremely aggressive, I became started stealing. I you know, I just wanted to rebel and I did not give a fuck at all, had no emotional concern for anything or anyone. How old are you at this stage? So I just turned eleven, oh no, sorry ten turning eleven. So I remember coming home one day from school and I hadn't done all the chores in the house that I was allocated, and I was being abused by this.

I'm just going to live on. Well, it sort of didn't exactly happen like that. So I was dumped basically out the front of a place where my father was living. He wasn't there, and I was left in the gutter to wait for him to get home, just with a bag, and he sort of got home and was, you know, he didn't know what to fucking do, but he took me in. He knew that, you know, I was rebelling, I was trouble, and that my mother had left and taken my siblings. And that was the last thing I'd pretty much heard of them for many, many, many, many many years. He ended up with a woman, and I won't disclose her name for respect. I'm not I got no fucking respect for her. She's a bitch, but I just won't go into putting a name out there. She didn't want me to live with her and her three children. My father was moving in with them, and so long and short of it all, I obviously ended up going with the old boy for a while. He's drinking continued, his aggression continued, continued to her, continued to me. She didn't want me there. I mean, my nickname was Otto. We'd sit at a fucking dinner table and I'd be fed scraps and leftovers while her three kids were fed a beautiful meal with vegetables or snitzele, and you know, I'd literally they would call me Otto. So when the auto bins first come out, the wheely bins, they were called auto bins. Well, my nickname was Otto because I just got fed the shit, second class citizen, bucking scrap. So here I am dealing with that as well. I didn't want to be there. I became extremely aggressive, I became started stealing. I you know, I just wanted to rebel and I did not give a fuck at all, had no emotional concern for anything or anyone. How old are you at this stage? So I just turned eleven, oh no, sorry ten turning eleven. So I remember coming home one day from school and I hadn't done all the chores in the house that I was allocated, and I was being abused by this.

Woman and I told her to get fucked and I solictened slut, fuck off. I've had enough.

Woman and I told her to get fucked and I solictened slut, fuck off. I've had enough.

So anyways, the old boys come home and she's basically told him a corner a slart and that was it, mate, he just fucking unleashed. I went to school the next day black and blue, and they just went, mate, that's it. We're putting into Family Community Services, which was facts back then. That involved a lot because all of a sudden, you know, I was a kid struggling at school, but then I was a kid that had nothing, was taken out of school and expected to go to school, but living with a foreign family life like a tempor accommodation. I was in written out of refuges, foster homes, and that went on for just over a year, and I was just like, fuck this. I left school at thirteen thirteen. Is that I never went past year seven? Yeah.

So anyways, the old boys come home and she's basically told him a corner a slart and that was it, mate, he just fucking unleashed. I went to school the next day black and blue, and they just went, mate, that's it. We're putting into Family Community Services, which was facts back then. That involved a lot because all of a sudden, you know, I was a kid struggling at school, but then I was a kid that had nothing, was taken out of school and expected to go to school, but living with a foreign family life like a tempor accommodation. I was in written out of refuges, foster homes, and that went on for just over a year, and I was just like, fuck this. I left school at thirteen thirteen. Is that I never went past year seven? Yeah.

Unfortunately, everybody that I speak to about this podcast says the same thing. You'repe and even when we talk sometimes I might send you a text that's misspelled, and you're actually really particular about spelling education and actually you're an intelligent man.

Unfortunately, everybody that I speak to about this podcast says the same thing. You'repe and even when we talk sometimes I might send you a text that's misspelled, and you're actually really particular about spelling education and actually you're an intelligent man.

But you left school at the age of thirteen. Yeah, I did. When did you learn that the streets? I you know, I often look back and I think to myself, I'm grateful.

But you left school at the age of thirteen. Yeah, I did. When did you learn that the streets? I you know, I often look back and I think to myself, I'm grateful.

I am grateful. I don't have a trade. I don't have any.

I am grateful. I don't have a trade. I don't have any.

Qualifications as such that gives me the right to go and work at a higher rate, a good earning capacity for providing for my family.

Qualifications as such that gives me the right to go and work at a higher rate, a good earning capacity for providing for my family.

I don't have any of that.

I don't have any of that.

I mean, I've got work, workplace skills, I've got talent that I've achieved at forty four.

I mean, I've got work, workplace skills, I've got talent that I've achieved at forty four.

It's taken me along fucking time.

It's taken me along fucking time.

My career as a criminal didn't end till about oh ten years ago.

My career as a criminal didn't end till about oh ten years ago.

So and you know that I'm thankful for that, But no, I didn't.

So and you know that I'm thankful for that, But no, I didn't.

I just didn't have any I didn't have everything that I needed that most people would need to succeed in life.

I just didn't have any I didn't have everything that I needed that most people would need to succeed in life.

So your schooled literally on the streets.

So your schooled literally on the streets.

One hundred percent. I started hanging around with some people that are probably going to listen to this podcast. Then you guys know who you are. I'm not going to name anyone once again, but we become a family. We were fucking good at what we did. Everything we did was wrong. We could drink, piss better than anybody else, snort better, lines of speed and fucking you know, like fourteen mate, I was tripping, fucking eating balls, a hash. I was, I was. I got a needle stuck in my arm when I was fourteen, you know what I mean? Like I was hanging out with heroin addicts and people on speedback. There wasn't ices, it just didn't exist. But heroin was a big thing, and you know Rowe's and Cerrow's and all this sort of things. So all the people are hanging around were you know, the older crims was sort of using the gear and the younger ones were popping pills to get off their head. And I I allowed twice to be injected, and it just was something that scared the fuck out of me. I remember being in a stolen car and a bloke who was a grown man were out made a fair bit of money and you know, I was sort of learning the ropes and he was a big earner, but he was a heroin addict.

One hundred percent. I started hanging around with some people that are probably going to listen to this podcast. Then you guys know who you are. I'm not going to name anyone once again, but we become a family. We were fucking good at what we did. Everything we did was wrong. We could drink, piss better than anybody else, snort better, lines of speed and fucking you know, like fourteen mate, I was tripping, fucking eating balls, a hash. I was, I was. I got a needle stuck in my arm when I was fourteen, you know what I mean? Like I was hanging out with heroin addicts and people on speedback. There wasn't ices, it just didn't exist. But heroin was a big thing, and you know Rowe's and Cerrow's and all this sort of things. So all the people are hanging around were you know, the older crims was sort of using the gear and the younger ones were popping pills to get off their head. And I I allowed twice to be injected, and it just was something that scared the fuck out of me. I remember being in a stolen car and a bloke who was a grown man were out made a fair bit of money and you know, I was sort of learning the ropes and he was a big earner, but he was a heroin addict.

I remember we went up to the christ to get a shot.

I remember we went up to the christ to get a shot.

And I was going to have a bag of coke and snorty, He's gonna have his shot a gear. Anyway, he said, Ah, don't worry about it. He goes, I'll just get coke. So here he is, he's bought these what they had was balloons back then. And he's sitting in one of the back lanes near the cross and we're in a little Ford escort. I was a fucking call it little escort, little fires feet to it all.

And I was going to have a bag of coke and snorty, He's gonna have his shot a gear. Anyway, he said, Ah, don't worry about it. He goes, I'll just get coke. So here he is, he's bought these what they had was balloons back then. And he's sitting in one of the back lanes near the cross and we're in a little Ford escort. I was a fucking call it little escort, little fires feet to it all.

So this escort you're sitting in isn't yours?

So this escort you're sitting in isn't yours?

Oh fuck no, no, no, never, we no, we didn't.

Oh fuck no, no, no, never, we no, we didn't.

We didn't n never.

We didn't n never.

And so anyway, we're sitting there and he's mixed up in his spoon what he thought was coke, so he put a lot more into the spoon than he would have if it was heroin.

And so anyway, we're sitting there and he's mixed up in his spoon what he thought was coke, so he put a lot more into the spoon than he would have if it was heroin.

And I'll never forget him having a shot.

And I'll never forget him having a shot.

And I looked at him and I just watched his eyes roll back and him go blue. And I had to lift this one hundred and ten kilo fucking bloke out of the car in they can't get him to some Vincent's hospital. He lived. I to this day don't know how I did it at that age, but that was my welcoming to the real world of drugs, living on the streets and death.

And I looked at him and I just watched his eyes roll back and him go blue. And I had to lift this one hundred and ten kilo fucking bloke out of the car in they can't get him to some Vincent's hospital. He lived. I to this day don't know how I did it at that age, but that was my welcoming to the real world of drugs, living on the streets and death.

It's just paint a picture that you're a fifteen year old, fourteen year old doing coke, yes in the crosses, driving a stolen car, watching someone od and then taking him to hospital in a stolen car.

It's just paint a picture that you're a fifteen year old, fourteen year old doing coke, yes in the crosses, driving a stolen car, watching someone od and then taking him to hospital in a stolen car.

And dropping him out the front door and taking off.

And dropping him out the front door and taking off.

That's how it was.

That's how it was.

That's what it's just what it was.

That's what it's just what it was.

Fourteen. Well, my choices were either get out of the car and run and you know, my prints and everything would have been all over and there's a dead body.

Fourteen. Well, my choices were either get out of the car and run and you know, my prints and everything would have been all over and there's a dead body.

Or I tried to get him to safety and.

Or I tried to get him to safety and.

I made the guy was blue blue, and it was just by sheer luck we weren't too far from the hospital. And yeah, well I know that he lived through that. He's no longer alive today, but I know at that stage he he did live. So yeah, it was very interesting.

I made the guy was blue blue, and it was just by sheer luck we weren't too far from the hospital. And yeah, well I know that he lived through that. He's no longer alive today, but I know at that stage he he did live. So yeah, it was very interesting.

Without naming names, the crew used to hang out with as a sort of fourteen fifteen year old where are they now?

Without naming names, the crew used to hang out with as a sort of fourteen fifteen year old where are they now?

What are they doing?

What are they doing?

Yeah, look, there's a lot of good things. I mean, I won't lie.

Yeah, look, there's a lot of good things. I mean, I won't lie.

There's a lot that are dead, died from suicide, high speed chases, a lot of drug overdose, a lot.

There's a lot that are dead, died from suicide, high speed chases, a lot of drug overdose, a lot.

Of heroin overdoses.

Of heroin overdoses.

It just seemed to be the way that everybody was heading back then. You know, if you're if you're on the streets or you're making money, you were in crime. It was the gear. I seen so much of it. I sort of thank god that I had to experience that at such a young age, because there were so many times there where a fit was ready, you know, like because you just sit down there. The older crew would be like, can't have a shot. You know, have a little shot. Its only ten lines or five lines.

It just seemed to be the way that everybody was heading back then. You know, if you're if you're on the streets or you're making money, you were in crime. It was the gear. I seen so much of it. I sort of thank god that I had to experience that at such a young age, because there were so many times there where a fit was ready, you know, like because you just sit down there. The older crew would be like, can't have a shot. You know, have a little shot. Its only ten lines or five lines.

You know, you'll.

You know, you'll.

Be right, you know what I mean. And I just couldn't get the gift of why the fuck you'd want to get stone and sit there fucking half asleep and then't for your.

Be right, you know what I mean. And I just couldn't get the gift of why the fuck you'd want to get stone and sit there fucking half asleep and then't for your.

Guts up everywhere.

Guts up everywhere.

And I used to watch these people and I'd be sitting there all fucking day or you know, all morning with them, and they'd be like, yeah, we're gonna go get an We're gonna get money, and I'll be like, wake up, cant yeah, And I just.

And I used to watch these people and I'd be sitting there all fucking day or you know, all morning with them, and they'd be like, yeah, we're gonna go get an We're gonna get money, and I'll be like, wake up, cant yeah, And I just.

Couldn't work out.

Couldn't work out.

I started to question what the fuck was doing hanging around with some of these people, and that was one thing that actually started to deter me. But then at that age, I was trying to live, you know, so we had a really cool core crew of us. There was a couple of a couple of girls that were really staunch and hardcore, and a good crew of blokes which you know, we all end up becoming what they were called a searchers and we made some big, big fucking money at that age.

I started to question what the fuck was doing hanging around with some of these people, and that was one thing that actually started to deter me. But then at that age, I was trying to live, you know, so we had a really cool core crew of us. There was a couple of a couple of girls that were really staunch and hardcore, and a good crew of blokes which you know, we all end up becoming what they were called a searchers and we made some big, big fucking money at that age.

Search for example.

Search for example.

Well, we we were the original crews that were running around, you know, pulling up out in the front of banks and running and jumping over the counters and cleaning out the drawers without weapons. You know, there was a crew of banky boys and that's what we did. You know, we were ram raiding judy free stores in the middle of Sydney City.

Well, we we were the original crews that were running around, you know, pulling up out in the front of banks and running and jumping over the counters and cleaning out the drawers without weapons. You know, there was a crew of banky boys and that's what we did. You know, we were ram raiding judy free stores in the middle of Sydney City.

Sydney's designer thieves had struck again at around two thirty this morning. Robbers used a gold Honda Civic sedan to smash through the doors of a Gucci store on Castle Ray Street.

Sydney's designer thieves had struck again at around two thirty this morning. Robbers used a gold Honda Civic sedan to smash through the doors of a Gucci store on Castle Ray Street.

Once inside, three offenders gain access to a number of designer clothing and handbags and left the star of motivehicle there and made their escape using another motor vehicle.

Once inside, three offenders gain access to a number of designer clothing and handbags and left the star of motivehicle there and made their escape using another motor vehicle.

Doing bank snatches. We were you know, I don't know if you remember, but there used to be cat bags. You know.

Doing bank snatches. We were you know, I don't know if you remember, but there used to be cat bags. You know.

We'd sit off night safes and no, you know, businesses, and back down everyone paid cash, you know, so you knew on a Thursday it was it was fucking peale and you're going to clean up because it wouldn't matter. You could go sit at a bank, or you could follow someone from an industrial area and you'd know who'd have the briefcase with the cash in it, and they're paying staff, you know, like fucking thousands and thousands of dollars that are all working. The fact was, back then it was just an envelope, brown paper bag and fucking that was your slip and there's your five six hundred bucks whatever it is. So multiply that plus all the bill money and everything else. Have you got that fucking cash bag or that cap bag? You were sweet and that that's what happened, you know. So And I speak of this because purely in fact that I was charged for quite a number of them over the years. So for anybody out there that's worried, I'm talking about me. I'm not talking about anybody else. And at the end of the day, that was that was they were big ERNs, and that's how that's how it started. What sort of big earns? What are we talking about there, mate. We would talk anywhere between fucking five and eighty grand, depending on what day and what we hear. And you're a fifteen year old, Oh yeah, And we divvy it up just between our crew, and like we literally would have taxi drivers on tab that would sit in certain places and one of us should go and the other one would say, one snatch and the other one. And I'm not talking about handbags like ladies, and I'm talking fucking serious shit. You know, one wanted chase, one had hit snatch.

We'd sit off night safes and no, you know, businesses, and back down everyone paid cash, you know, so you knew on a Thursday it was it was fucking peale and you're going to clean up because it wouldn't matter. You could go sit at a bank, or you could follow someone from an industrial area and you'd know who'd have the briefcase with the cash in it, and they're paying staff, you know, like fucking thousands and thousands of dollars that are all working. The fact was, back then it was just an envelope, brown paper bag and fucking that was your slip and there's your five six hundred bucks whatever it is. So multiply that plus all the bill money and everything else. Have you got that fucking cash bag or that cap bag? You were sweet and that that's what happened, you know. So And I speak of this because purely in fact that I was charged for quite a number of them over the years. So for anybody out there that's worried, I'm talking about me. I'm not talking about anybody else. And at the end of the day, that was that was they were big ERNs, and that's how that's how it started. What sort of big earns? What are we talking about there, mate. We would talk anywhere between fucking five and eighty grand, depending on what day and what we hear. And you're a fifteen year old, Oh yeah, And we divvy it up just between our crew, and like we literally would have taxi drivers on tab that would sit in certain places and one of us should go and the other one would say, one snatch and the other one. And I'm not talking about handbags like ladies, and I'm talking fucking serious shit. You know, one wanted chase, one had hit snatch.

And the other one to be following one of the cat bags off.

And the other one to be following one of the cat bags off.

He's already gone. He's either up in the hotty or he's in the fucking taxi and he comes me. The big fucking count chudges through from behind, just taking people out. And anybody that came near me made that had the fucking bag. I had to use my size. I wasn't the quickest, but fuck me dead. You weren't going to get near.

He's already gone. He's either up in the hotty or he's in the fucking taxi and he comes me. The big fucking count chudges through from behind, just taking people out. And anybody that came near me made that had the fucking bag. I had to use my size. I wasn't the quickest, but fuck me dead. You weren't going to get near.

Me, buddy.

Me, buddy.

Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not glorifying it either. Same please for anybody out there, I'm just making light of it. It really is.

Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not glorifying it either. Same please for anybody out there, I'm just making light of it. It really is.

It's you know, it's something that I look back on now.

It's you know, it's something that I look back on now.

And it needs to be put into context and we're here to tell a story.

And it needs to be put into context and we're here to tell a story.

So Kilik said the same, He said, this is not about glorifying nah.

So Kilik said the same, He said, this is not about glorifying nah.

And if you're going to listen to this podcast and you want to hear this story, there is something through this story at the end of it that I hope blows your minds to pieces of story of redemption.

And if you're going to listen to this podcast and you want to hear this story, there is something through this story at the end of it that I hope blows your minds to pieces of story of redemption.

Because I want to give.

Because I want to give.

Every the cold hard facts of what a fucking violent little prick I want later becoming a very violent gang member and quite a strong powerful person within circles of Australia.

Every the cold hard facts of what a fucking violent little prick I want later becoming a very violent gang member and quite a strong powerful person within circles of Australia.

You can't know the end until you know the beginning, which is what we're doing right.

You can't know the end until you know the beginning, which is what we're doing right.

Great, this is my story. I own it and I'm very proud of where I am.

Great, this is my story. I own it and I'm very proud of where I am.

Today because of it. What does living on the street mean?

Today because of it. What does living on the street mean?

Brad and I had nowhere to stay. I'd break into halls. I lied to a lot of people, see, because there were still people that I was knocking around with. There were streaty style of kids. But always had somewhere to go home to, like a nan or an auntie or a cousin or a mate's mum.

Brad and I had nowhere to stay. I'd break into halls. I lied to a lot of people, see, because there were still people that I was knocking around with. There were streaty style of kids. But always had somewhere to go home to, like a nan or an auntie or a cousin or a mate's mum.

I had no one, I had nothing.

I had no one, I had nothing.

I had a football oval that I slept in for six months in a sleeping bag, sorry cricket oval, and this particular cricket oval well was quite had a big bush on the back of it, and it was quite quite black at night. And I knew that if I slept in the middle of the cricket pitch in a sleeping bag, there was very little chance anyone was going to walk through the middle of that oval in the pitch black and try and attack me. And this particular place I'd go and play football that still, so I was still trying to maintain some sort of normality by turning up to football, you know, going to training. I'd go to training and fuck rattles me even saying it. But I'd go to training and put on in front of all these parents and these kids that nothing was wrong and nobody knew I was doing because I could play football, and I was praying that it was my out, you know, And then everyone had go and I'd pretend to hide, and then I'd come back and go and sit in the change room, break into the changing room and sleep in the change room or the public toilets there because I had a padlock, and I'd try and all to that or I'd go to the community hall. And in the community hall, up on the top of the walls had these the old burners sort of heaters and used to be able to pull the long cords. And they had this blue phone back there in the day, and in the blue phone was coins and used to be able to grab underneath the blue phones and put pressure on it and rip it. If you didn't have a screwdriver or something, you'd pop it a and there was a cash box in there, and nine times out of ten you'd get ten bucks out of it or five bucks out of it, which was like fucking beautiful. I got a feed and this you gotta remember, this is this is all before I started making big money, big earning.

I had a football oval that I slept in for six months in a sleeping bag, sorry cricket oval, and this particular cricket oval well was quite had a big bush on the back of it, and it was quite quite black at night. And I knew that if I slept in the middle of the cricket pitch in a sleeping bag, there was very little chance anyone was going to walk through the middle of that oval in the pitch black and try and attack me. And this particular place I'd go and play football that still, so I was still trying to maintain some sort of normality by turning up to football, you know, going to training. I'd go to training and fuck rattles me even saying it. But I'd go to training and put on in front of all these parents and these kids that nothing was wrong and nobody knew I was doing because I could play football, and I was praying that it was my out, you know, And then everyone had go and I'd pretend to hide, and then I'd come back and go and sit in the change room, break into the changing room and sleep in the change room or the public toilets there because I had a padlock, and I'd try and all to that or I'd go to the community hall. And in the community hall, up on the top of the walls had these the old burners sort of heaters and used to be able to pull the long cords. And they had this blue phone back there in the day, and in the blue phone was coins and used to be able to grab underneath the blue phones and put pressure on it and rip it. If you didn't have a screwdriver or something, you'd pop it a and there was a cash box in there, and nine times out of ten you'd get ten bucks out of it or five bucks out of it, which was like fucking beautiful. I got a feed and this you gotta remember, this is this is all before I started making big money, big earning.

Ye.

Ye.

Campbelltown police hated me. They knew me.

Campbelltown police hated me. They knew me.

I must say.

I must say.

One of the boys that I played football with, his old boy was the sergeant down there, and he was very fair to me. He knew who my dad was, he knew that I had problems at home, and he never tried to fuck me over. The detectives of Campbelltown hated me, fucking mate. I got flogged so many times. It was just ridiculous what they got away with. I remember getting caught in a stolen car one night in the same car parked I played football in and training. I left football training and I went and I went to a mate's house, had a shower, and I pretended that I was gonna hang on my merry way, and I went and stole the car. There was a Ford XD and used to be able to just pop in on them because I had these long door locks that pop up with a knob on it, and you could put the scissors in or a flathead screw drive and just give a little nudge and you just wait for it and grab the doorhand. Let's me actually pop up, grab the nile file and just fucking because I had like a paddle popstick sort of ignition like the old kingswood, not with the lips, but except there was no lip, so you just give it a little jig on next mink you got the reds, You're off, So I'm thinking, sweet, I've got somewhere to sleep tonight.

One of the boys that I played football with, his old boy was the sergeant down there, and he was very fair to me. He knew who my dad was, he knew that I had problems at home, and he never tried to fuck me over. The detectives of Campbelltown hated me, fucking mate. I got flogged so many times. It was just ridiculous what they got away with. I remember getting caught in a stolen car one night in the same car parked I played football in and training. I left football training and I went and I went to a mate's house, had a shower, and I pretended that I was gonna hang on my merry way, and I went and stole the car. There was a Ford XD and used to be able to just pop in on them because I had these long door locks that pop up with a knob on it, and you could put the scissors in or a flathead screw drive and just give a little nudge and you just wait for it and grab the doorhand. Let's me actually pop up, grab the nile file and just fucking because I had like a paddle popstick sort of ignition like the old kingswood, not with the lips, but except there was no lip, so you just give it a little jig on next mink you got the reds, You're off, So I'm thinking, sweet, I've got somewhere to sleep tonight.

It didn't last long, but because the car.

It didn't last long, but because the car.

Got reported to comments we're looking for it, and I got the fuck kicked out of me and dragged out of a car, freezing me nuts off and taken down to the cells at Campbelltown, where that particular sergeant started to really sort of take a bit of an interest in why I kept turning up.

Got reported to comments we're looking for it, and I got the fuck kicked out of me and dragged out of a car, freezing me nuts off and taken down to the cells at Campbelltown, where that particular sergeant started to really sort of take a bit of an interest in why I kept turning up.

And you know, he he couldn't do much.

And you know, he he couldn't do much.

The look, let's be honest, there's nothing he can do, you know what I mean. All he can do is try and suggest the other channels out there, you know, through family community services or from there. It all just went from zero to one hundred real quick. I started getting extremely violent. I was angry, was drinking a lot, taking a lot of speed, and I was making a lot of money. You know. So here we are, we're buying designer closed, designer shoes. And this is before these young sa blokes funck. I can remember wearing the first pair of Nike here one eighties and hahrachis. You know, no one even knew what fucking Nikes were. We had air structures, Nike Airmaxes, whatever we had them. We kicked it off, you know what I mean. That was how we walked around, you know, to be covered in country road or lacoste or surgery, a Juccini. Whatever. It took for no one to realize that I was a homeless kid, you know, what I mean. And even now, my haircut every two weeks, it's just habitual. I just do it. That's the same fucking haircut I've had some times that young. It's it's just what it is. It become a way of life. And for me, I you know, I got jumped quite a few times because you know a lot of times zero was won out Fucking John Hoppawati, You're a cocksucker. He robbed me from the shoes. Fucking rob me for a pair of shoes on the train because I was sitting there by myself between Kembelltown and Minnow Station when I was a kid, and him and his homeboys weakest piss and.

The look, let's be honest, there's nothing he can do, you know what I mean. All he can do is try and suggest the other channels out there, you know, through family community services or from there. It all just went from zero to one hundred real quick. I started getting extremely violent. I was angry, was drinking a lot, taking a lot of speed, and I was making a lot of money. You know. So here we are, we're buying designer closed, designer shoes. And this is before these young sa blokes funck. I can remember wearing the first pair of Nike here one eighties and hahrachis. You know, no one even knew what fucking Nikes were. We had air structures, Nike Airmaxes, whatever we had them. We kicked it off, you know what I mean. That was how we walked around, you know, to be covered in country road or lacoste or surgery, a Juccini. Whatever. It took for no one to realize that I was a homeless kid, you know, what I mean. And even now, my haircut every two weeks, it's just habitual. I just do it. That's the same fucking haircut I've had some times that young. It's it's just what it is. It become a way of life. And for me, I you know, I got jumped quite a few times because you know a lot of times zero was won out Fucking John Hoppawati, You're a cocksucker. He robbed me from the shoes. Fucking rob me for a pair of shoes on the train because I was sitting there by myself between Kembelltown and Minnow Station when I was a kid, and him and his homeboys weakest piss and.

Yeah, so he wasn't in your crew.

Yeah, so he wasn't in your crew.

He was just he was just one of one of the Claymoar boys and they were going around rolling people for their shoes. Like I was a kid that was making earns, you know what I mean. Always looked at million dollars but wasn't worth shit, had no backup, no support. So anyway, moving right along from that, I'm not going to give him any more credit. But at the end of the day, it was what it was, you know. So I got sick of that, and I started to arm myself. I started to turn a point where I became that person myself. I had knives, I was looking for guns, so I was you carry around a glass coat bottle, the old five hundred meal glass coat bottle, and firstly hit smashing on the ground and slashing across the throat or the face.

He was just he was just one of one of the Claymoar boys and they were going around rolling people for their shoes. Like I was a kid that was making earns, you know what I mean. Always looked at million dollars but wasn't worth shit, had no backup, no support. So anyway, moving right along from that, I'm not going to give him any more credit. But at the end of the day, it was what it was, you know. So I got sick of that, and I started to arm myself. I started to turn a point where I became that person myself. I had knives, I was looking for guns, so I was you carry around a glass coat bottle, the old five hundred meal glass coat bottle, and firstly hit smashing on the ground and slashing across the throat or the face.

That was the first time we went to detention too.

That was the first time we went to detention too.

One of yeah, one of tell us that story. Well, I was in the city and I basically robbed three people and took them to a ATM machine at Darling Harbor when Darling Harbor was all new and fresh and cool to be hanging out at held them hostage while I made each one of them take out the money, and one didn't sort of want to take it out, so then I became quite violent, and yeah, the rest.

One of yeah, one of tell us that story. Well, I was in the city and I basically robbed three people and took them to a ATM machine at Darling Harbor when Darling Harbor was all new and fresh and cool to be hanging out at held them hostage while I made each one of them take out the money, and one didn't sort of want to take it out, so then I became quite violent, and yeah, the rest.

Is history there, and you got caught.

Is history there, and you got caught.

I got caught.

I got caught.

So I got caught.

So I got caught.

So I've done the bolt, and all of a sudden, one and got away. The one that I went to stab, and he got up to near the old entertainment center in Sydney of the Chinatown. There used to be a police big police station there, and it's not far from Darling Harbor and all of a sudden they had coppers and dog squads and it was full on. Anyway, I was fourteen, turning fifteen, bang pinched and straight into Minda. It was a Friday night and I was straight into Patterson House because I was charged the man money from Manassa Sultan robbery and a few other backup charges. But it was enough to make me a violent offender. So back in Pattison House back then was some heavy, heavy young offenders that were on the verge of going to jail or you know, had just been convicted. Like a particular Asian gangster who I became very good friends with who's no longer here, was shot. You know, he was in there for a murder. And apparently these witnesses ended up going missing as well.

So I've done the bolt, and all of a sudden, one and got away. The one that I went to stab, and he got up to near the old entertainment center in Sydney of the Chinatown. There used to be a police big police station there, and it's not far from Darling Harbor and all of a sudden they had coppers and dog squads and it was full on. Anyway, I was fourteen, turning fifteen, bang pinched and straight into Minda. It was a Friday night and I was straight into Patterson House because I was charged the man money from Manassa Sultan robbery and a few other backup charges. But it was enough to make me a violent offender. So back in Pattison House back then was some heavy, heavy young offenders that were on the verge of going to jail or you know, had just been convicted. Like a particular Asian gangster who I became very good friends with who's no longer here, was shot. You know, he was in there for a murder. And apparently these witnesses ended up going missing as well.

And so there weren't there weren't there weren't marks, you know what I mean.

And so there weren't there weren't there weren't marks, you know what I mean.

These were powerful young people that had a lot of pull on the street. And I was like fucking and nobody and I'd just come in and I'm like my ass is clenching. I remember having a pair of nightcare Jordan's on and they were white and red. They were they were red inside the tongue and they were white with a red sort of fucking thing around.

These were powerful young people that had a lot of pull on the street. And I was like fucking and nobody and I'd just come in and I'm like my ass is clenching. I remember having a pair of nightcare Jordan's on and they were white and red. They were they were red inside the tongue and they were white with a red sort of fucking thing around.

The laces, and they were you know, the ancorns.

The laces, and they were you know, the ancorns.

So I thought I was cool. It was Saturday morning. I woke up at the time i'd finally got in there. It was very early in the morning, and they opened the door for breaking and never forget it.

So I thought I was cool. It was Saturday morning. I woke up at the time i'd finally got in there. It was very early in the morning, and they opened the door for breaking and never forget it.

Roomers in the heart, you know, that's U light delight, right, So.

Roomers in the heart, you know, that's U light delight, right, So.

Everybody's watching rage in those in those sort of boys' homes, and back then, everybody came out and sat in an area and everybody watched Channel two. And I always had all the cool songs. The first fucking song I heard the hard I'm just sitting back. What the fuck? I just I had no idea, you know, I'd only just started to understand the streets now. I had no idea now how serious shit was going to get.

Everybody's watching rage in those in those sort of boys' homes, and back then, everybody came out and sat in an area and everybody watched Channel two. And I always had all the cool songs. The first fucking song I heard the hard I'm just sitting back. What the fuck? I just I had no idea, you know, I'd only just started to understand the streets now. I had no idea now how serious shit was going to get.

And did you think you were hard back then?

And did you think you were hard back then?

I don't think I was hard. I just thought I could hold myself, and I thought that I was, you know, I was. I was solid in what I did. I you know, like I said, I got jumped. I'd fucking caught my floggings. You know, I'd been stabbed and been fucking robbed. I'd been you. I'd caught what most street kids caught before they start to you know, start to have enough and say fuck you and retaliate, and that's just what you've got to do.

I don't think I was hard. I just thought I could hold myself, and I thought that I was, you know, I was. I was solid in what I did. I you know, like I said, I got jumped. I'd fucking caught my floggings. You know, I'd been stabbed and been fucking robbed. I'd been you. I'd caught what most street kids caught before they start to you know, start to have enough and say fuck you and retaliate, and that's just what you've got to do.

How long was that first stint intertention?

How long was that first stint intertention?

So I did nine months for that, and the boys in there, they were pretty good to me, and you know, I got to know a lot of them, and to this day there's a couple of them that are still alive and the other most of them are all dead. Yeah, it's sort of set set the bar for what the future was going to hold, that's for sure. I ended up getting out and I had nowhere to go, you know, so straight back to what on you?

So I did nine months for that, and the boys in there, they were pretty good to me, and you know, I got to know a lot of them, and to this day there's a couple of them that are still alive and the other most of them are all dead. Yeah, it's sort of set set the bar for what the future was going to hold, that's for sure. I ended up getting out and I had nowhere to go, you know, so straight back to what on you?

And Bang was.

And Bang was.

On again fifteen sixteen, Yeah, yeah, and this is where, you know, jumping bank counters started to become more prominent RAM rating, you know, some really good, good.

On again fifteen sixteen, Yeah, yeah, and this is where, you know, jumping bank counters started to become more prominent RAM rating, you know, some really good, good.

Fucking iron grime shit, you know, like.

Fucking iron grime shit, you know, like.

It was big. You know, we were like a mafia on the street, if you will, like we're our own world. And funny enough, we didn't give a fuck, and you know, people say, oh, didn't you know, didn't you worry when it's ducketing locked up? And I thought, you know what, I actually didn't mind getting locked up as a young bloke because what happened was you got to catch up with all your mates in there, or the boys that you would normally hang out with, and it was like it was no big thing. You know, you were cool. You were just catching up with the lads and making plans on what we're going to do and we're going to get out. So it actually helped the criminal.

It was big. You know, we were like a mafia on the street, if you will, like we're our own world. And funny enough, we didn't give a fuck, and you know, people say, oh, didn't you know, didn't you worry when it's ducketing locked up? And I thought, you know what, I actually didn't mind getting locked up as a young bloke because what happened was you got to catch up with all your mates in there, or the boys that you would normally hang out with, and it was like it was no big thing. You know, you were cool. You were just catching up with the lads and making plans on what we're going to do and we're going to get out. So it actually helped the criminal.

Oh mate.

Oh mate.

There was no rehabilitation, no rehabilitation, no none whatsoever. And I to be honest with you don't know anybody from the era that I went in that's not dead done a lot of jail, gone through heavy addictions, and like.

There was no rehabilitation, no rehabilitation, no none whatsoever. And I to be honest with you don't know anybody from the era that I went in that's not dead done a lot of jail, gone through heavy addictions, and like.

It was pretty for long.

It was pretty for long.

There's got to be some sort of rush that happens when you're jumping a bank counter.

There's got to be some sort of rush that happens when you're jumping a bank counter.

Believable, you know.

Believable, you know.

I mean I enjoyed driving. I wasn't the best thief. I mean we I'll say we we drove one night down from Sydney, and I won't disclose the actual place, but there was many many hours down south of Sydney and there was a particular place that had.

I mean I enjoyed driving. I wasn't the best thief. I mean we I'll say we we drove one night down from Sydney, and I won't disclose the actual place, but there was many many hours down south of Sydney and there was a particular place that had.

Very high end clothing, and you know that.

Very high end clothing, and you know that.

Was what we did.

Was what we did.

We'd just go clean these places out.

We'd just go clean these places out.

And we did that, and we went down with a couple of stolen cars, and anyway, we got up to about halfway coming back in this little country town, and all of a sudden, one of us got chased in one of the hotties, so we had to have bought. Anyway, we all end up basically splitting and we all end up having to get out of those cars. So we end up trying to get a couple of other cars, and we got them, we got back to Sydney. Funny funny story is, and I say funny because it was funny back then.

And we did that, and we went down with a couple of stolen cars, and anyway, we got up to about halfway coming back in this little country town, and all of a sudden, one of us got chased in one of the hotties, so we had to have bought. Anyway, we all end up basically splitting and we all end up having to get out of those cars. So we end up trying to get a couple of other cars, and we got them, we got back to Sydney. Funny funny story is, and I say funny because it was funny back then.

One of the cars that we took was a screw from Golden.

One of the cars that we took was a screw from Golden.

Now we didn't know it at the time, but it turns out he was the owner of one of the vehicles that we ended up taking to get back home. So I'm sure that came back to us tenfolds over the years. He would never have known. But that was when we got arrested. We were told, so they've been pound under these two vehicles in this in this police holding yard, in this particular police holding yard. It was just like a six seven foot cyclone barbed by a fucking fed you know. Like back in the old days. There was a fence with barbed wire, a few spotlights because that's just what they did. They had you, you know, you smash car style and cars just in this compound area back of the old country cop shop. We went, fucked, this are we going down to get everything that we took because we knew within twenty four hours it was still going to be there. There's no way they could have it just wouldn't have happened that way. So we end up getting a nine to eight s s two a push and I don't know many of yous that know about it, but they don't go over a certain speed unless they sink and become like aerodynamic. So we went from coming from Mumpney Bankstown and up that way in the city, we end up coming down south again, hours and hours downs and ours. And this particular driver was a very good driver, older guy, but he was a heroin atic. So it was kind of sketchy because he was stone but functional but on the other hand, could drive.

Now we didn't know it at the time, but it turns out he was the owner of one of the vehicles that we ended up taking to get back home. So I'm sure that came back to us tenfolds over the years. He would never have known. But that was when we got arrested. We were told, so they've been pound under these two vehicles in this in this police holding yard, in this particular police holding yard. It was just like a six seven foot cyclone barbed by a fucking fed you know. Like back in the old days. There was a fence with barbed wire, a few spotlights because that's just what they did. They had you, you know, you smash car style and cars just in this compound area back of the old country cop shop. We went, fucked, this are we going down to get everything that we took because we knew within twenty four hours it was still going to be there. There's no way they could have it just wouldn't have happened that way. So we end up getting a nine to eight s s two a push and I don't know many of yous that know about it, but they don't go over a certain speed unless they sink and become like aerodynamic. So we went from coming from Mumpney Bankstown and up that way in the city, we end up coming down south again, hours and hours downs and ours. And this particular driver was a very good driver, older guy, but he was a heroin atic. So it was kind of sketchy because he was stone but functional but on the other hand, could drive.

But if he went on the nod.

But if he went on the nod.

You're fuck drive a really high power change. Yeah, and I'm in the back, so I'm only a young bloke, you know, And I'm probably the youngest out of us. It's like a wing that comes out and the moment it happens, the front end sinks and it goes from like one hundred and thirty to fucking two hundred and forty like that. And that's the speed we sat on all the way fucking down, got all this shit and got it all the way back and just to here. But that was that was that was a pretty pretty full on sort of situation.