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Right, we are back, guys. I'm gonna be really honest. It's been a long time doing this. Over four and a half years. We are hitting very close to our six million downloads, and by the end of this season, I do expect to hit that figure. And it has been a journey. It's been a journey of highs lows. It's been a journey of some tough, tough times that I've had to actually sit back and really reassess where I wanted to be with what I produce, my guests, and what I deliver. Thanks to you and to everybody who has commented and supported, we are going to continue to go ahead because we know that these stories are having a massive impact in our communities and in your life. From me, personally, thank you to you, Thank you to Sideway Surf who has supported me over the years. We at the moment are open to option with another sponsorship, so we'll talk further about that as we move forward in this season. But I do want to say a massive thank you to Sideways Surf and remember that if you want to support Clinking Corporated, we have our positive wellness apparel that is available at all Sideways Surf stores on the whole of the East Coast of Australia. Now, without further ado, this guest is someone who truly is inspiring to me. I have followed his journey for some time and it's not something that I like to do. Is I guess stalk or follow our guest too much? But Matt is somebody that I can really relate to and I do look up to as a dad, as a bit of a mentor, to be honest, and I've been blessed to have this wonderful man to be here today with me, to join me in Season nineteen opening. Matt mate, wow, A little bit starstruck as we started in the beginning.

Right, we are back, guys. I'm gonna be really honest. It's been a long time doing this. Over four and a half years. We are hitting very close to our six million downloads, and by the end of this season, I do expect to hit that figure. And it has been a journey. It's been a journey of highs lows. It's been a journey of some tough, tough times that I've had to actually sit back and really reassess where I wanted to be with what I produce, my guests, and what I deliver. Thanks to you and to everybody who has commented and supported, we are going to continue to go ahead because we know that these stories are having a massive impact in our communities and in your life. From me, personally, thank you to you, Thank you to Sideway Surf who has supported me over the years. We at the moment are open to option with another sponsorship, so we'll talk further about that as we move forward in this season. But I do want to say a massive thank you to Sideways Surf and remember that if you want to support Clinking Corporated, we have our positive wellness apparel that is available at all Sideways Surf stores on the whole of the East Coast of Australia. Now, without further ado, this guest is someone who truly is inspiring to me. I have followed his journey for some time and it's not something that I like to do. Is I guess stalk or follow our guest too much? But Matt is somebody that I can really relate to and I do look up to as a dad, as a bit of a mentor, to be honest, and I've been blessed to have this wonderful man to be here today with me, to join me in Season nineteen opening. Matt mate, wow, A little bit starstruck as we started in the beginning.

I had to get it off my chest.

I had to get it off my chest.

And yes, no, I didn't just introduce you by your full last name, because I don't want to fuck up. But anyway, I'm a little bit nervous. I'm pretty good used but steineweight Matt steinweight. There we go now and then mate, Honestly, without pissing in your pocket, you are truly an amazing man. The way you live your life, the way you deliver just you. There's there's no sort of bullshit.

And yes, no, I didn't just introduce you by your full last name, because I don't want to fuck up. But anyway, I'm a little bit nervous. I'm pretty good used but steineweight Matt steinweight. There we go now and then mate, Honestly, without pissing in your pocket, you are truly an amazing man. The way you live your life, the way you deliver just you. There's there's no sort of bullshit.

You know.

You know.

You structure your life in a way that is just so so amazingly healthy. It's successful. And I know that there's the highs and the lows, the ups and the downs. I mean, that is life. But the way you embrace it through your hardships and your highs and your winds and just sharing your story with people you know like you're not. I know that you have a big platform, but you're not someone I look at as another influencer. You're a man who's living and produces daily this normality of life, what life should be in wholesomeness. It hasn't always been in wholesome and you most definitely have experienced the highs, the lows, hit rock bottom and the consistency you show off the back of where it will begin is phenomenal today, I'd love to introduce your story here on the clink and it's something that I'm very honored to be able to deliver, so thank you. And for those that don't know Matt, would you like to introduce yourself and tell the people who you are.

You structure your life in a way that is just so so amazingly healthy. It's successful. And I know that there's the highs and the lows, the ups and the downs. I mean, that is life. But the way you embrace it through your hardships and your highs and your winds and just sharing your story with people you know like you're not. I know that you have a big platform, but you're not someone I look at as another influencer. You're a man who's living and produces daily this normality of life, what life should be in wholesomeness. It hasn't always been in wholesome and you most definitely have experienced the highs, the lows, hit rock bottom and the consistency you show off the back of where it will begin is phenomenal today, I'd love to introduce your story here on the clink and it's something that I'm very honored to be able to deliver, so thank you. And for those that don't know Matt, would you like to introduce yourself and tell the people who you are.

Yeah, Well, I live on the central Coast in New South Wales and then I'm a real estate agent basically. So I have seven kids. I've been married three times. I was, you know, with my first wife for five years, next one sixteen years, and Tara I've been with eight. So you know, I'm slow learner. But I've got four kids to the first wife, two kids to the second wife, and one girl who's two now to Tara. I've been in real estate almost thirty years now. Wow, it's almost like twenty eight years or something. And before I got into real estate, I was like a criminal, I guess you'd say. But back then it was like I used to be a bouncer on Oxtord Street and I just got in that world, like I didn't set out to be like that. So I just left Maruba Beach and went partying one day when I was like seventeen and never came back to the beach. I just stayed in there and basically just partied. I loved it. It was good. I started training at City Gym a long time ago. It was like the first twenty four hour gym. They didn't exist back then, but that was twenty four hours and it was just like the scene. And I walked in one day and the gay scene was like on Oxford Street and I was his little surfer kid and I walked in the gym with this gay guy friend of mine, Steven Scott. He has come to the gym and I'm like, okay, because I used to train at the Surf Club. Every old rusty weights a bit and I always had like an okay body. And then I walked in as like massive guys and it was like they were all in hot pants and hat. It was hat and I'm talking pumping hard and I was such a Steve.

Yeah, Well, I live on the central Coast in New South Wales and then I'm a real estate agent basically. So I have seven kids. I've been married three times. I was, you know, with my first wife for five years, next one sixteen years, and Tara I've been with eight. So you know, I'm slow learner. But I've got four kids to the first wife, two kids to the second wife, and one girl who's two now to Tara. I've been in real estate almost thirty years now. Wow, it's almost like twenty eight years or something. And before I got into real estate, I was like a criminal, I guess you'd say. But back then it was like I used to be a bouncer on Oxtord Street and I just got in that world, like I didn't set out to be like that. So I just left Maruba Beach and went partying one day when I was like seventeen and never came back to the beach. I just stayed in there and basically just partied. I loved it. It was good. I started training at City Gym a long time ago. It was like the first twenty four hour gym. They didn't exist back then, but that was twenty four hours and it was just like the scene. And I walked in one day and the gay scene was like on Oxford Street and I was his little surfer kid and I walked in the gym with this gay guy friend of mine, Steven Scott. He has come to the gym and I'm like, okay, because I used to train at the Surf Club. Every old rusty weights a bit and I always had like an okay body. And then I walked in as like massive guys and it was like they were all in hot pants and hat. It was hat and I'm talking pumping hard and I was such a Steve.

Sounds like black Market on a Thursday night.

Sounds like black Market on a Thursday night.

Exactly, the old hell Fire exactly, little leather pants.

Exactly, the old hell Fire exactly, little leather pants.

Yeah, yeah, totally yeah. And I said to stay have them. They're so big, and he goes, oh, they take steroids. And I was like, what's steroids? So what do you want some? And I was like yeah, I think so you guys, we'll give me four in a bucks. So I gave him for in the bucks and then you got some is it and androl at the time or Napple and I can't remember any like a couple of bottles and a couple of injectable things, and off I went. And I just went down that path. And then the more I was in that scene, I could see the bigger the people were and the I don't know scary as the right word, but the more intimidating the word. It was like a currency. So I was like, oh, I just want to be the biggest and I want to be the scariest and all this stuff. And you know, I went down that path and then just got involved deeper and deeper and deeper.

Yeah, yeah, totally yeah. And I said to stay have them. They're so big, and he goes, oh, they take steroids. And I was like, what's steroids? So what do you want some? And I was like yeah, I think so you guys, we'll give me four in a bucks. So I gave him for in the bucks and then you got some is it and androl at the time or Napple and I can't remember any like a couple of bottles and a couple of injectable things, and off I went. And I just went down that path. And then the more I was in that scene, I could see the bigger the people were and the I don't know scary as the right word, but the more intimidating the word. It was like a currency. So I was like, oh, I just want to be the biggest and I want to be the scariest and all this stuff. And you know, I went down that path and then just got involved deeper and deeper and deeper.

Yeah, you talk about the depths of involvement.

Yeah, you talk about the depths of involvement.

You know, I'm coming up to fifty myself, spring chicken not not looking as good as yourself, though, I must say, I was.

You know, I'm coming up to fifty myself, spring chicken not not looking as good as yourself, though, I must say, I was.

Like, I'm fifty three, so I was like, I was like forties.

Like, I'm fifty three, so I was like, I was like forties.

Well, thank you, I appreciate that, and I'll take that as a.

Well, thank you, I appreciate that, and I'll take that as a.

Little win for the bame market. Actually thought you weren't old enough to know blade market.

Little win for the bame market. Actually thought you weren't old enough to know blade market.

Well, I'm just about to say to you that whole space around Oxford Street we used to do DCMS can sellers and you know, Exchange Hotel. That was the original bit. Oh wow, yeah, now we're talking, so you know. And then even Taxi Club that was, you know, a cool place to be back in the day. And it was just a different a different world. If you didn't live it and didn't have that, I guess, opportunity to enjoy what it was all about, you missed out on an era and a great era to be had, I think for all of us, you know, the talking realistic here when the you know, the real sort of pills started hitting the streets, the proper MDMA Calais splits and the baby calas and the little bayzes, little fifty dollars bays tablets you've taken.

Well, I'm just about to say to you that whole space around Oxford Street we used to do DCMS can sellers and you know, Exchange Hotel. That was the original bit. Oh wow, yeah, now we're talking, so you know. And then even Taxi Club that was, you know, a cool place to be back in the day. And it was just a different a different world. If you didn't live it and didn't have that, I guess, opportunity to enjoy what it was all about, you missed out on an era and a great era to be had, I think for all of us, you know, the talking realistic here when the you know, the real sort of pills started hitting the streets, the proper MDMA Calais splits and the baby calas and the little bayzes, little fifty dollars bays tablets you've taken.

It's dance your ass off all night.

It's dance your ass off all night.

And then the one eight hundred numbers for the rave scene, and you know, everyone to be running too Oxford Street to the telephones and taxi ranks lined up. Next minute, boom, everyone's gone and just disappeared. You just can't explain that to someone today, can you.

And then the one eight hundred numbers for the rave scene, and you know, everyone to be running too Oxford Street to the telephones and taxi ranks lined up. Next minute, boom, everyone's gone and just disappeared. You just can't explain that to someone today, can you.

And there was like a club for every night apart from Wednesday, So it was like Wednesday was sleeping day.

And there was like a club for every night apart from Wednesday, So it was like Wednesday was sleeping day.

Wednesday was sleeping day.

Wednesday was sleeping day.

Talking about sleeping and if I can touch on whilst we're in this part of your journey with us today, you went through quite an interesting period of drug use, speed, lack of sleep or was something that you sort of got yourself involved in. And obviously, and I'll let you tell the story, it become a much bigger problem for you in the earlier years.

Talking about sleeping and if I can touch on whilst we're in this part of your journey with us today, you went through quite an interesting period of drug use, speed, lack of sleep or was something that you sort of got yourself involved in. And obviously, and I'll let you tell the story, it become a much bigger problem for you in the earlier years.

Oh yeah, I just became a full blown drug IC's not even in the end, just during it, Like I just I just went from speed, then pills and then coke was around, but not I didn't really focus on much made speed because you just want to go for a correct but then it turns to the needle. So then I started injecting everything, and then then coke crept in. I hooked up with this girl one time and she goes, do you want to blast some coke? And I was like, I didn't really take much coke and plus is like expensive at the time as well, so like it just didn't make sense, like you good buye I don't know, an eight ball of speed for LTE and how much it was like say two hundred bucks, three und the buck or whatever it was.

Oh yeah, I just became a full blown drug IC's not even in the end, just during it, Like I just I just went from speed, then pills and then coke was around, but not I didn't really focus on much made speed because you just want to go for a correct but then it turns to the needle. So then I started injecting everything, and then then coke crept in. I hooked up with this girl one time and she goes, do you want to blast some coke? And I was like, I didn't really take much coke and plus is like expensive at the time as well, so like it just didn't make sense, like you good buye I don't know, an eight ball of speed for LTE and how much it was like say two hundred bucks, three und the buck or whatever it was.

But you know, bluggy glucose.

But you know, bluggy glucose.

Yeah, it just didn't make sense to me. But she goes, you want to blast some coke and we're at home and she goes, you'll never forget the feeling. I was like, yeah, sure, and then so I did, and I can tell you gee, I was hooked.

Yeah, it just didn't make sense to me. But she goes, you want to blast some coke and we're at home and she goes, you'll never forget the feeling. I was like, yeah, sure, and then so I did, and I can tell you gee, I was hooked.

Yeah, and experience that moment, It's like a helicopter just takes off inside your head and a rush of just euphoria that you just can't explain, and I don't think. Look, we very open here on the Clink, and anybody whom is new, please, if you are triggered by any of our conversations, do reach out and talk to someone. It's imperative if you're in recovery or if there's something that you know may be triggering to you, do take care. But the whole part of what we deliver here is the trueeness of somebody's journey that then inspires people that there are better ways and they're not alone. And Matt, Wow, I mean opening our conversation today with some pretty deep, dark moments.

Yeah, and experience that moment, It's like a helicopter just takes off inside your head and a rush of just euphoria that you just can't explain, and I don't think. Look, we very open here on the Clink, and anybody whom is new, please, if you are triggered by any of our conversations, do reach out and talk to someone. It's imperative if you're in recovery or if there's something that you know may be triggering to you, do take care. But the whole part of what we deliver here is the trueeness of somebody's journey that then inspires people that there are better ways and they're not alone. And Matt, Wow, I mean opening our conversation today with some pretty deep, dark moments.

Yeah, I'm trying to accelerate it because it's very long story. I don't accelerate the whole thing because then we'll get into the other stuff definitely. But then you know sliding door moments in life brand that I look at now, I can't tell you what's happened, but like how much of the different things that happened along the way. But I ended up working for these guys, so I don't even know call it working. I just did things for them. And then they were like pretty high up people and in that whole scene, and they sent me to Terrible one night, and like by this time, I was pretty bad drug addict. I was just a walking animal. Basically I would do anything.

Yeah, I'm trying to accelerate it because it's very long story. I don't accelerate the whole thing because then we'll get into the other stuff definitely. But then you know sliding door moments in life brand that I look at now, I can't tell you what's happened, but like how much of the different things that happened along the way. But I ended up working for these guys, so I don't even know call it working. I just did things for them. And then they were like pretty high up people and in that whole scene, and they sent me to Terrible one night, and like by this time, I was pretty bad drug addict. I was just a walking animal. Basically I would do anything.

And then was this whilst also using steroids as well.

And then was this whilst also using steroids as well.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't. So I was like one hundred and twenty eight kilos one hundred and thirty hundred and twenty five kilos, and I was like by this time, I developed a lot of connections and I was a loose animal, yeah, and just I didn't care about anything anyway. I ended up like really scraping around because I didn't realize I was getting hotter and hotter as well. And then a friend of mine, bouncer with DCM, pulled me aside one day and said, mate, you're real hot. You've got to go for a while. And I was like, yeah, I just didn't see it. And then dealing drugs, running drugs around everywhere, like as in different states and things, and then I just didn't listen. And then people started to move away from me a lot, and I started to get because I had like a good, well, I don't know if you call a good reputation. I was trustworthy in that scene, you know, I would never do nothing to anyone that I was connected to. And then it just got real weird. Because I was so hot, people started not trust me. Then I started to do other things just to get money and stuff, and I ended up I got a call one night for some guys who you know on Cananbury Road. They have three sections like eleven Knees or Islanders and yes aging or something. They own parts of it and they have their prostitutes on there. And I go call and they said, can you mind, We've got a new girl to work on Canoby Road. Can you be a minder for her? So no one takes that, and I said yeah sure. So I started in all that scene, which I wasn't really involved in that much. That was more like the cross scene sort of thing. And then those people were opening another brussel, so I was minding her for a while. And then those people were opening another brussel and they said, can you go to Terrigul and look for some new girls. Go to the nightclub up there. We'll hook you up with the bikers up there and whoever else. And that one night changed my entire life. I went up there and I met with the people up there in the club, met the guys. This guy came over, It makes me look more. I'm six foot four almost, and then.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't. So I was like one hundred and twenty eight kilos one hundred and thirty hundred and twenty five kilos, and I was like by this time, I developed a lot of connections and I was a loose animal, yeah, and just I didn't care about anything anyway. I ended up like really scraping around because I didn't realize I was getting hotter and hotter as well. And then a friend of mine, bouncer with DCM, pulled me aside one day and said, mate, you're real hot. You've got to go for a while. And I was like, yeah, I just didn't see it. And then dealing drugs, running drugs around everywhere, like as in different states and things, and then I just didn't listen. And then people started to move away from me a lot, and I started to get because I had like a good, well, I don't know if you call a good reputation. I was trustworthy in that scene, you know, I would never do nothing to anyone that I was connected to. And then it just got real weird. Because I was so hot, people started not trust me. Then I started to do other things just to get money and stuff, and I ended up I got a call one night for some guys who you know on Cananbury Road. They have three sections like eleven Knees or Islanders and yes aging or something. They own parts of it and they have their prostitutes on there. And I go call and they said, can you mind, We've got a new girl to work on Canoby Road. Can you be a minder for her? So no one takes that, and I said yeah sure. So I started in all that scene, which I wasn't really involved in that much. That was more like the cross scene sort of thing. And then those people were opening another brussel, so I was minding her for a while. And then those people were opening another brussel and they said, can you go to Terrigul and look for some new girls. Go to the nightclub up there. We'll hook you up with the bikers up there and whoever else. And that one night changed my entire life. I went up there and I met with the people up there in the club, met the guys. This guy came over, It makes me look more. I'm six foot four almost, and then.

He are you seriously nearly six foot four?

He are you seriously nearly six foot four?

Yeah? Wow, you make me look small. And I was like, hey, hey go He goes, hey, I'm Dina. We just hit it off a bit. And then this other girl comes over that night, friend of Dina, has nothing to do with all this, and it was her eighteenth birthday and her name was Karina. And then I goes, hey, this is Karena. I was off my head, like, so off my head is not funny, and I was like hey, and I thought she's pretty hot. So at the end of the night, I said, oh, can I have your number? Not for the whole thing. I didn't even do anything there was I supposed to say to people, do you want to work in the brothel. I don't know what I was doing there anyway, so that's what I mean. I just didn't I was just doing anything. And then I said, can I have your number? Anyway? Fortunately she gave it to me. Fortunately, but it was an eighteenth birthday. She was a Mormon, never been to a nightclub before meets me goes to the front. I didn't know this till weeks later, but when she went to write down a number, the bouncer grabs her and said, are you giving that guy your number? And she said yeah. He said, whatever you do, don't please don't and don't say I said anything, because he's a sort of guy that makes people disappear. I'm so glad she didn't listen. She gave me her number. I went to Sydney. Everything fell apart in such a big way I can't even explain it. I ended up living in this abandoned building and camperdown and I used to climb in and out of the window. No one would come near me. No drugs. I couldn't get any drugs because no one would touch me.

Yeah? Wow, you make me look small. And I was like, hey, hey go He goes, hey, I'm Dina. We just hit it off a bit. And then this other girl comes over that night, friend of Dina, has nothing to do with all this, and it was her eighteenth birthday and her name was Karina. And then I goes, hey, this is Karena. I was off my head, like, so off my head is not funny, and I was like hey, and I thought she's pretty hot. So at the end of the night, I said, oh, can I have your number? Not for the whole thing. I didn't even do anything there was I supposed to say to people, do you want to work in the brothel. I don't know what I was doing there anyway, so that's what I mean. I just didn't I was just doing anything. And then I said, can I have your number? Anyway? Fortunately she gave it to me. Fortunately, but it was an eighteenth birthday. She was a Mormon, never been to a nightclub before meets me goes to the front. I didn't know this till weeks later, but when she went to write down a number, the bouncer grabs her and said, are you giving that guy your number? And she said yeah. He said, whatever you do, don't please don't and don't say I said anything, because he's a sort of guy that makes people disappear. I'm so glad she didn't listen. She gave me her number. I went to Sydney. Everything fell apart in such a big way I can't even explain it. I ended up living in this abandoned building and camperdown and I used to climb in and out of the window. No one would come near me. No drugs. I couldn't get any drugs because no one would touch me.

So you basically have gone from being sort of in the middle of the mix to completely just left, hind cut off everywhere.

So you basically have gone from being sort of in the middle of the mix to completely just left, hind cut off everywhere.

Yeah, so bad. And then like this is really accelerated story, but it was really bad. And then I was doing anything to try to keep the drugs going, just myself taking them. And then about six months after that could have been ten months, I was under surveillance for I Reckon about a year and a half. I Reckon maybe a bit more. And then it was just like ramping up and cops were doing funny things. I knocking on doors pretending they were different people. Like the door I was squatting in one night, the guy knocks on the door. I was in there injecting drugs. No one's in there, nothing in there, no furniture, no nothing, just me. And he knocks on the door and he's goes, oh, mate, do you know where the hospital is around here? Like this, pretending to be drunk.

Yeah, so bad. And then like this is really accelerated story, but it was really bad. And then I was doing anything to try to keep the drugs going, just myself taking them. And then about six months after that could have been ten months, I was under surveillance for I Reckon about a year and a half. I Reckon maybe a bit more. And then it was just like ramping up and cops were doing funny things. I knocking on doors pretending they were different people. Like the door I was squatting in one night, the guy knocks on the door. I was in there injecting drugs. No one's in there, nothing in there, no furniture, no nothing, just me. And he knocks on the door and he's goes, oh, mate, do you know where the hospital is around here? Like this, pretending to be drunk.

And I was like, and you're in Camperdown anyway, which is pretty obvious.

And I was like, and you're in Camperdown anyway, which is pretty obvious.

Where the hospital is on Paramount Road.

Where the hospital is on Paramount Road.

Well, I didn't know where it was because I was so used to just Oxford Street. I just ended up getting in this place because my mate rented this place that was attached to a workshop and they all moved out and I just kept going there and then he goes, I said, no, I don't know what you t tolkd meou, I don't know what the hospital is. And I was just wired as and he's like, he looks at me and goes, we know what you're doing. We are right onto you. And I'm like, it wasn't drunk, it's just pretending we know what you're doing. Anyway. I rang Dino about three or four months after that thing because I was going mad, literally, and I said to Dna, can you come pick me up? I'm going to be dead or in jail any day because I had warrants out from Rorest that had all different things happening. I owe people money. I say to people that I've got a couple of contracts taken out my life. People don't believe me. Like when I did the mut wresting, some people write, oh, that's bull crap, blah blah blah. I own quite a bit of money because I took a whole lot of drugs down to Melbourne while I was pretty high, and the people I took them down to got a call from someone who said, get that guy out of here. You guys are all going to go down, they told me, and they were all good friends of mine. I just left and I left all that and I couldn't pay back. So those people were after me.

Well, I didn't know where it was because I was so used to just Oxford Street. I just ended up getting in this place because my mate rented this place that was attached to a workshop and they all moved out and I just kept going there and then he goes, I said, no, I don't know what you t tolkd meou, I don't know what the hospital is. And I was just wired as and he's like, he looks at me and goes, we know what you're doing. We are right onto you. And I'm like, it wasn't drunk, it's just pretending we know what you're doing. Anyway. I rang Dino about three or four months after that thing because I was going mad, literally, and I said to Dna, can you come pick me up? I'm going to be dead or in jail any day because I had warrants out from Rorest that had all different things happening. I owe people money. I say to people that I've got a couple of contracts taken out my life. People don't believe me. Like when I did the mut wresting, some people write, oh, that's bull crap, blah blah blah. I own quite a bit of money because I took a whole lot of drugs down to Melbourne while I was pretty high, and the people I took them down to got a call from someone who said, get that guy out of here. You guys are all going to go down, they told me, and they were all good friends of mine. I just left and I left all that and I couldn't pay back. So those people were after me.

Yeah, And let's be honest, Melbourne's very well known for its history, especially network, and obviously if you're going to Melbourne, it's not for a agree April.

Yeah, And let's be honest, Melbourne's very well known for its history, especially network, and obviously if you're going to Melbourne, it's not for a agree April.

Yeah, So when't I say that. I just had a couple of people that were pretty focused on getting me. So it wasn't like a contract where people just say, you know, there's contract out on you and I'm like, oh, what am I going to do about it? So anyway, Dino comes down, picks me up, takes me back to his parents' house, puts me at the back of his parents' house in this little room, and I stayed there for nine months, and I just I was no good. I was in a bit of a psychiasis and I just drew stick figure people on paper every day for nine months. And I called it Duncan and he had a little helmet on and I said to Dina, Duncan's going to be the biggest thing ever, mate, if I wasn't for Dina, I would be dead. And he put me out there and he used to make me lunch and like toast the sandwiches and things. I was still seeing Karina by this point, and after about nine months of doing that, I was going a bit crazy. And it was just a box, this little box outside his parents' house. I thought, I've got to do something with my life. So I rang an ex girlfriend, Lisa. I hadn't seen her for like a couple of years, and I said to Lise, I'm in a bit of trouble. She's like a bit of trouble. You have people looking for you everywhere. You have left the biggest mess down here. I said, what should I do? And she goes, why don't you get into real estate? So this was common knowledge on the street.

Yeah, So when't I say that. I just had a couple of people that were pretty focused on getting me. So it wasn't like a contract where people just say, you know, there's contract out on you and I'm like, oh, what am I going to do about it? So anyway, Dino comes down, picks me up, takes me back to his parents' house, puts me at the back of his parents' house in this little room, and I stayed there for nine months, and I just I was no good. I was in a bit of a psychiasis and I just drew stick figure people on paper every day for nine months. And I called it Duncan and he had a little helmet on and I said to Dina, Duncan's going to be the biggest thing ever, mate, if I wasn't for Dina, I would be dead. And he put me out there and he used to make me lunch and like toast the sandwiches and things. I was still seeing Karina by this point, and after about nine months of doing that, I was going a bit crazy. And it was just a box, this little box outside his parents' house. I thought, I've got to do something with my life. So I rang an ex girlfriend, Lisa. I hadn't seen her for like a couple of years, and I said to Lise, I'm in a bit of trouble. She's like a bit of trouble. You have people looking for you everywhere. You have left the biggest mess down here. I said, what should I do? And she goes, why don't you get into real estate? So this was common knowledge on the street.

You were definitely a targeted man and people were looking for you playing and.

You were definitely a targeted man and people were looking for you playing and.

See absolutely well. When I was in real estate, maybe a year and a half in, I've got to call at your office one day and they said, we know where you are and I said, well, come get me. I can't do anything about it. Can get me just on your phone up And I was like that was it. But I couldn't do anything like I can't explain how I was. I was a lunatic.

See absolutely well. When I was in real estate, maybe a year and a half in, I've got to call at your office one day and they said, we know where you are and I said, well, come get me. I can't do anything about it. Can get me just on your phone up And I was like that was it. But I couldn't do anything like I can't explain how I was. I was a lunatic.

And I think too, Matt.

And I think too, Matt.

When you get to that stage, and for many of the listeners out there, I'm sure that there's quite a few people who have been in a similar position. Maybe not at that level, but definitely within that space of debt. People are looking for them, threats on their lives and so on. You're so just care factor of zero, like it is, well, hey, whatever, come and deal with it, Come and do what you got to do, Like you get beyond that worrying, you know what I mean, it is what it's just going to be.

When you get to that stage, and for many of the listeners out there, I'm sure that there's quite a few people who have been in a similar position. Maybe not at that level, but definitely within that space of debt. People are looking for them, threats on their lives and so on. You're so just care factor of zero, like it is, well, hey, whatever, come and deal with it, Come and do what you got to do, Like you get beyond that worrying, you know what I mean, it is what it's just going to be.

What it's going to be.

What it's going to be.

You're going to either walk out of that real estate and you're gonna eat grab or you're going to get a bullet.

You're going to either walk out of that real estate and you're gonna eat grab or you're going to get a bullet.

And what actually happened. The people that I used to sort of do things with I stuffed up once before and I said to him, can I work it off? I was a bad business but I should not have joke. I was just I just I just eat them all I give them. I was a terrible business person anyway, and I worked it off once. But when I stuffed up again, I went and do this and he said, not not this time. Yeah, you know, what do you do?

And what actually happened. The people that I used to sort of do things with I stuffed up once before and I said to him, can I work it off? I was a bad business but I should not have joke. I was just I just I just eat them all I give them. I was a terrible business person anyway, and I worked it off once. But when I stuffed up again, I went and do this and he said, not not this time. Yeah, you know, what do you do?

Wow?

Wow?

Yeah? And then I grabbed the Yellow Pages and I rang everybody in the Yellow Pages and just said, do you have a trainee ship? But I had no idea what real estate was at all. And one lady, just one out of everyone, and this one lady said, yeah, I'll give you a job, and I said, but I don't. And Dino's parents wanted me out of the house now they'd had enough of this weird guy out the back. I said, I don't have a home and I don't have a car, but I don't have any clothes either. Like I just had a gym, pants and a bond single. It's that's all I had, and I had like two of them. I didn't have anything else. She said, that's all right, I've got a caravan on my acreage. I'll put you in there. And then i'd been sitting there for years, had like Huntsmen's in it and things, but that was fine. I just got in there, and she said to me, it doesn't matter about a car, because I want you to doorknock every day. And I just just walk the streets every day all day from morning till the night and just ask people if they want to sell their house. I did that for itvors.

Yeah? And then I grabbed the Yellow Pages and I rang everybody in the Yellow Pages and just said, do you have a trainee ship? But I had no idea what real estate was at all. And one lady, just one out of everyone, and this one lady said, yeah, I'll give you a job, and I said, but I don't. And Dino's parents wanted me out of the house now they'd had enough of this weird guy out the back. I said, I don't have a home and I don't have a car, but I don't have any clothes either. Like I just had a gym, pants and a bond single. It's that's all I had, and I had like two of them. I didn't have anything else. She said, that's all right, I've got a caravan on my acreage. I'll put you in there. And then i'd been sitting there for years, had like Huntsmen's in it and things, but that was fine. I just got in there, and she said to me, it doesn't matter about a car, because I want you to doorknock every day. And I just just walk the streets every day all day from morning till the night and just ask people if they want to sell their house. I did that for itvors.

When you put the lifestyle that you did live, and I often do this with myself.

When you put the lifestyle that you did live, and I often do this with myself.

You know.

You know.

I implement that in my daily living and I take what my street knowledge is or was, and I try and put that into business to be the best version of me. Am I every day living and growth, the strength, the resilience. You know, I am a little bit o CD. You know, my bipolar kicks in and you know all these sort of things. It's like, okay, well now I understand it all. It's a gift, and now how can I be the best version of me? I did say in the beginning, you're somebody whom I'm inspired by, and I mean that because of right now what you're saying to where we'll get to and where you are, and I'm sure it's still not where you want to finish at any stage just yet, there's so much ahead for me. I've implemented that way of thinking, how to make a quicker and how do I network? How do I talk to this person or that person on this level or this level to then create that moment of opportunity which is exactly what we would do back then, isn't it create that opportunity?

I implement that in my daily living and I take what my street knowledge is or was, and I try and put that into business to be the best version of me. Am I every day living and growth, the strength, the resilience. You know, I am a little bit o CD. You know, my bipolar kicks in and you know all these sort of things. It's like, okay, well now I understand it all. It's a gift, and now how can I be the best version of me? I did say in the beginning, you're somebody whom I'm inspired by, and I mean that because of right now what you're saying to where we'll get to and where you are, and I'm sure it's still not where you want to finish at any stage just yet, there's so much ahead for me. I've implemented that way of thinking, how to make a quicker and how do I network? How do I talk to this person or that person on this level or this level to then create that moment of opportunity which is exactly what we would do back then, isn't it create that opportunity?

Mate? I used to see this. I saw a lot of strippers and a lot of prostitutes over the years, like as in not pay them their girlfriends. And this one Melissa said, You're just amazing. You can just like pull ten thousand dollars out of nowhere.

Mate? I used to see this. I saw a lot of strippers and a lot of prostitutes over the years, like as in not pay them their girlfriends. And this one Melissa said, You're just amazing. You can just like pull ten thousand dollars out of nowhere.

Exactly.

Exactly.

I guess so because I had no money, Like I have no money and then two hours later, I have like ten thousand dollars or bags fulls of drugs and it's like, anyway, yeah, you.

I guess so because I had no money, Like I have no money and then two hours later, I have like ten thousand dollars or bags fulls of drugs and it's like, anyway, yeah, you.

Touched on and what a great interview if Mark Boris I did just skim over a little bit of that interview in reference to a little bit of a background to where we are talking about now and you talk about Dino.

Touched on and what a great interview if Mark Boris I did just skim over a little bit of that interview in reference to a little bit of a background to where we are talking about now and you talk about Dino.

I get it now, I get it.

I get it now, I get it.

There was a moment that you made a call to Dino where it was jail or you basically get your shit together and you fucking win and you made a commitment to him, and I now understand, And if you'd like to share that with our audience, what relevance that is today and your best mate and somebody whom has been there obviously like I said, how I understand it from your darkest, darkest moments.

There was a moment that you made a call to Dino where it was jail or you basically get your shit together and you fucking win and you made a commitment to him, and I now understand, And if you'd like to share that with our audience, what relevance that is today and your best mate and somebody whom has been there obviously like I said, how I understand it from your darkest, darkest moments.

Yeah, it's just all these moments happened, these weird things. So I had a gun at Dino's house and I was driving along with him because I didn't have a cast. I drove everywhere with him. He's like, it was like my dad in a way. We're just like, let's go down to the shop area and just take me down. That one day, I was driving along with him and I thought, I'm just going to shoot myself in the head. I just I've had enough. I've got the gun at home. It was so low I can't explain it. And he turns around out of nowhere and said, Matt, promise me you won't kill yourself. And it was like, I can't tell you. It was this moment and I was like, and I said, then I'll promise you. I'm not going to I reckon. I would have if it wasn't for him.

Yeah, it's just all these moments happened, these weird things. So I had a gun at Dino's house and I was driving along with him because I didn't have a cast. I drove everywhere with him. He's like, it was like my dad in a way. We're just like, let's go down to the shop area and just take me down. That one day, I was driving along with him and I thought, I'm just going to shoot myself in the head. I just I've had enough. I've got the gun at home. It was so low I can't explain it. And he turns around out of nowhere and said, Matt, promise me you won't kill yourself. And it was like, I can't tell you. It was this moment and I was like, and I said, then I'll promise you. I'm not going to I reckon. I would have if it wasn't for him.

And he's really kept you accountable, hasn't he in your.

And he's really kept you accountable, hasn't he in your.

Other night? Like we're still best mates. He's a legend and any but he's instinct. I don't know, we were just I don't know where he came from. Imagine I didn't go to Terrago the night. Anyway, I was working. About a year later, I got offered a job across the road. He should drive me to work every day and he was a landscaper, so he dropped me off, packed me some lunch, and then about a year later I got offered a job across the road because things were like really racing along. Everyone's like, who's this guy like finding all these leads because the home office that I worked out of, which is across the road from the strip of shops, it was like this little home office thing. No one. No one really liked this lady that much. I didn't know. I had no idea who was what. But she started to list all these houses because I was finding them all. So this other guy across the road at peter Brand real Estate, he offered me a job, and I was like, yeah, I'll go across there because that was the side to be on. That's where they're all the shops flat. I was like, oh, yeah, I go there. Anyway, I got the bus home one night and I'd gone from the caravan. I was engaged to Karina by this point, and I rented a room off this elderly lady who was like Way in her eighties. Her name was Tina, friends of Karna's family. And I get the bus home seven point thirty odd one night was dark, and then walk in and the phone ringing in Tina's house and I was a bit in hiding like I was. I didn't go to Sydney for about fifteen years. I get so much sweat on my hands.

Other night? Like we're still best mates. He's a legend and any but he's instinct. I don't know, we were just I don't know where he came from. Imagine I didn't go to Terrago the night. Anyway, I was working. About a year later, I got offered a job across the road. He should drive me to work every day and he was a landscaper, so he dropped me off, packed me some lunch, and then about a year later I got offered a job across the road because things were like really racing along. Everyone's like, who's this guy like finding all these leads because the home office that I worked out of, which is across the road from the strip of shops, it was like this little home office thing. No one. No one really liked this lady that much. I didn't know. I had no idea who was what. But she started to list all these houses because I was finding them all. So this other guy across the road at peter Brand real Estate, he offered me a job, and I was like, yeah, I'll go across there because that was the side to be on. That's where they're all the shops flat. I was like, oh, yeah, I go there. Anyway, I got the bus home one night and I'd gone from the caravan. I was engaged to Karina by this point, and I rented a room off this elderly lady who was like Way in her eighties. Her name was Tina, friends of Karna's family. And I get the bus home seven point thirty odd one night was dark, and then walk in and the phone ringing in Tina's house and I was a bit in hiding like I was. I didn't go to Sydney for about fifteen years. I get so much sweat on my hands.

I was just about to ask you, were you concerned for your welfare now that you were starting to sort of, I guess, become a part of society in what would be classed as the normal way. You get up, you go to work, you're a face, you're in the public, you're not hiding from people. You're not in the dark dingy little room. You're actually out there. And as you said, walking the streets, you are a target. How did you sort of mentally deal with that or was it still that mindset of well it is it is.

I was just about to ask you, were you concerned for your welfare now that you were starting to sort of, I guess, become a part of society in what would be classed as the normal way. You get up, you go to work, you're a face, you're in the public, you're not hiding from people. You're not in the dark dingy little room. You're actually out there. And as you said, walking the streets, you are a target. How did you sort of mentally deal with that or was it still that mindset of well it is it is.

And I was so anxious. Yeah, I couldn't go anywhere, like I list couldn't go anywhere, like just in my head, wouldn't go to Sydney. We'll go near Sydney for so long. Yeah. Anyway, I got the bus home walked into Tina's phone, ringing, I pick it up and Ray from the Fish and chip shop. He goes, hey, Matt, it's Ray from the fish and chip shop. I'm like, Ray, how did you even get this number? He was an ex heroin dealer from the Cross. He was up there and hiding too. I'm sure he was. Anyway, he's on methadone, you know when people on Macedonia consider like. He tell a bit and he's like, oh, anyway, he goes, mate, I said, how'd you get the number? He goes, don't worry about that. You've just been on Australia's Most Wanted. And I'm like, what bugger? I'm like really, And then Karina's dad turns up on the doorstep like five minutes later, huffing and puffing. He ran down from their house streets away. The whole family was watching the show. You know, it's the show Australias Most Wanted.

And I was so anxious. Yeah, I couldn't go anywhere, like I list couldn't go anywhere, like just in my head, wouldn't go to Sydney. We'll go near Sydney for so long. Yeah. Anyway, I got the bus home walked into Tina's phone, ringing, I pick it up and Ray from the Fish and chip shop. He goes, hey, Matt, it's Ray from the fish and chip shop. I'm like, Ray, how did you even get this number? He was an ex heroin dealer from the Cross. He was up there and hiding too. I'm sure he was. Anyway, he's on methadone, you know when people on Macedonia consider like. He tell a bit and he's like, oh, anyway, he goes, mate, I said, how'd you get the number? He goes, don't worry about that. You've just been on Australia's Most Wanted. And I'm like, what bugger? I'm like really, And then Karina's dad turns up on the doorstep like five minutes later, huffing and puffing. He ran down from their house streets away. The whole family was watching the show. You know, it's the show Australias Most Wanted.

And back then everybody watched it because it was like, well everybody knew somebody. I just wanted to see it because it was one of those things that was never spoken of.

And back then everybody watched it because it was like, well everybody knew somebody. I just wanted to see it because it was one of those things that was never spoken of.

It was just.

It was just.

Like all their six kids are this Mormon family parents and the six kids all watching it and ip eiepop and then he turns up and he goes, We've got to talk, and I'm like yeah. He's like huffing and puffing, and I'm like, yeah, we do. So I went and handed myself back in in Sydney, went straight to court. Karina's mum came and testified. Tina came and testified, and she was amazing. She's up in the stand and she goes, oh, that's such a lovely boy. Who feeds my cat. He takes my washing out. And Karina's mum told a story. I had ten bucks, that's all I had one day to my name, and her son's bike got stolen, so I went and bought one off someone for ten bucks. And then she was telling the story and crying in the stand. Anyway, at the end of the hearing, the judge looks at me and she goes, Matt, you should be going to jail for quite a few years today, she said, but I just see some good in you, and I'm going to give you a second chance. I had to do community service for I don't know how long it was. It was quite a long time. We fell like forever. But while I was working as well, and it took me eight years to pay back all the fines that I got for all different things. But she said to me, if I see you back here again, you will go away for half of your life. That's for sure. I walked out of the courtroom, got Karna's phone, rang Dino and said, Mae, I'm going to make your promise. I'm going to become astray as number one aged. I've never broken it. I've just stayed on that path.

Like all their six kids are this Mormon family parents and the six kids all watching it and ip eiepop and then he turns up and he goes, We've got to talk, and I'm like yeah. He's like huffing and puffing, and I'm like, yeah, we do. So I went and handed myself back in in Sydney, went straight to court. Karina's mum came and testified. Tina came and testified, and she was amazing. She's up in the stand and she goes, oh, that's such a lovely boy. Who feeds my cat. He takes my washing out. And Karina's mum told a story. I had ten bucks, that's all I had one day to my name, and her son's bike got stolen, so I went and bought one off someone for ten bucks. And then she was telling the story and crying in the stand. Anyway, at the end of the hearing, the judge looks at me and she goes, Matt, you should be going to jail for quite a few years today, she said, but I just see some good in you, and I'm going to give you a second chance. I had to do community service for I don't know how long it was. It was quite a long time. We fell like forever. But while I was working as well, and it took me eight years to pay back all the fines that I got for all different things. But she said to me, if I see you back here again, you will go away for half of your life. That's for sure. I walked out of the courtroom, got Karna's phone, rang Dino and said, Mae, I'm going to make your promise. I'm going to become astray as number one aged. I've never broken it. I've just stayed on that path.

I love that the way that you glow when you say that, you know, the look on no, I really do.

I love that the way that you glow when you say that, you know, the look on no, I really do.

And I think that you know, for anybody out there.

And I think that you know, for anybody out there.

That's in a hole at the moment or feels systems against them, the world's against they're in addiction, you know. For me, having my background in the many years that I was incarcerated to then you know, obviously being a dad of four children, it's I think you don't break if you make a promise. And for me, nine times out of ten, I promise nothing because you can't guarantee it, especially when it's something out of your control. You've literally not once, but several times given Dino these promises, and they are all positive promises of you moving forward in such a productive way to become the man you are today. Was there a time there, though, that you felt or were in a situation where you may have broken that promise and you've had to sit there and go, hang on a seat.

That's in a hole at the moment or feels systems against them, the world's against they're in addiction, you know. For me, having my background in the many years that I was incarcerated to then you know, obviously being a dad of four children, it's I think you don't break if you make a promise. And for me, nine times out of ten, I promise nothing because you can't guarantee it, especially when it's something out of your control. You've literally not once, but several times given Dino these promises, and they are all positive promises of you moving forward in such a productive way to become the man you are today. Was there a time there, though, that you felt or were in a situation where you may have broken that promise and you've had to sit there and go, hang on a seat.

This is not good. I need to stay on that straight line.

This is not good. I need to stay on that straight line.

Not really. Like I relapsed drug wise a number of times when I got shaws the first time and well second time. I relapsed in the drug side, but the work side, I never skipped the beat. I kept showing up. I kept doing my thing. The drug thing took it went, and then it had creep back in and then like that took a long time to get Like now, if I had a line of Koki and even Nellie touch it, but.

Not really. Like I relapsed drug wise a number of times when I got shaws the first time and well second time. I relapsed in the drug side, but the work side, I never skipped the beat. I kept showing up. I kept doing my thing. The drug thing took it went, and then it had creep back in and then like that took a long time to get Like now, if I had a line of Koki and even Nellie touch it, but.

Well, you wouldn't know if it was coke these days, So that's a good choice.

Well, you wouldn't know if it was coke these days, So that's a good choice.

I agree. I'm the same. I can tell you now, mate, you can take it away, thanks.

I agree. I'm the same. I can tell you now, mate, you can take it away, thanks.

Because now I'm attached to the outcome. And before I took a long time to develop that muscle, like I'm talking well into my forties. Yeah, well you know, and it was drinking, like if I had one. I was never a big drinker, but at one drink gone. Yeah, forget it. I'm off with the train.

Because now I'm attached to the outcome. And before I took a long time to develop that muscle, like I'm talking well into my forties. Yeah, well you know, and it was drinking, like if I had one. I was never a big drinker, but at one drink gone. Yeah, forget it. I'm off with the train.

I'm the same.

I'm the same.

It's either do or don't, and it's all in or nothing, and you know, and it's sort of you got one in one hand and the straw and the other, you know what I mean.

It's either do or don't, and it's all in or nothing, and you know, and it's sort of you got one in one hand and the straw and the other, you know what I mean.

And it's just it's what happens and what becomes the norm. So you know.

And it's just it's what happens and what becomes the norm. So you know.

And I have had this conversation recently with somebody who reached out, and I just said, you've got to take control and acknowledge it, accept it and just go I don't do it. It's as simple as that. You can't have it halfway and say that I'm okay. You're either not okay and you don't do it, and you make better choices.

And I have had this conversation recently with somebody who reached out, and I just said, you've got to take control and acknowledge it, accept it and just go I don't do it. It's as simple as that. You can't have it halfway and say that I'm okay. You're either not okay and you don't do it, and you make better choices.

Hence, let me look at your life, look where you today.

Hence, let me look at your life, look where you today.

Yeah, but I think it's a muscle. I think people don't realize that. And not to labor the point, but I was on the phone to someone yesterday, a gambler, and I said, mate, you're going to fall off the cart again, probably, but don't beat yourself up. Just get up and you get a little bit stronger, and then you get a little bit stronger. I think people think they've got to just be you know, Matt or Brent. It's like finished, you know, and it's I found with myself. It was a muscle, But you can't use that as an excuse. I'll go out and then I'll just try it on Monday. I genuinely found when I got triggered, I started to learn that there's definite triggers, like one hundred percent. Yes, you go to a party and you have a beer, You're going to get triggered. You go through a painful thing like a divorce or a death or something, your body's going to getriggered in different ways. You know, look to ease it correct. So it took me a long time to work that out.

Yeah, but I think it's a muscle. I think people don't realize that. And not to labor the point, but I was on the phone to someone yesterday, a gambler, and I said, mate, you're going to fall off the cart again, probably, but don't beat yourself up. Just get up and you get a little bit stronger, and then you get a little bit stronger. I think people think they've got to just be you know, Matt or Brent. It's like finished, you know, and it's I found with myself. It was a muscle, But you can't use that as an excuse. I'll go out and then I'll just try it on Monday. I genuinely found when I got triggered, I started to learn that there's definite triggers, like one hundred percent. Yes, you go to a party and you have a beer, You're going to get triggered. You go through a painful thing like a divorce or a death or something, your body's going to getriggered in different ways. You know, look to ease it correct. So it took me a long time to work that out.

I think the biggest thing there is understanding that it is okay to trip and we all do it. Like you just said, you know, like it hasn't been smooth sailing, you've relapsed. I did see something just recently that was a very valid point. And this is not to discredit or take anything away from anybody whom is in recovery. Credit to you, and I pray to God that you find the strength to continue. But it was a label and it's resonated with me, and I think that you may respect. What I'm going to say here is that you are a recovering addict. You're always going to be a recovering addict. The gentleman who made that point in this post is somebody who had an addiction with ice and other drugs. He's in recovery. He has recently relapsed some time in the last six months, which is okay, it happens. Pick yourself up, let's start again, back to ground zero and grow. But do we want to keep being reminded that I'm an addict, I'm a junkie.

I think the biggest thing there is understanding that it is okay to trip and we all do it. Like you just said, you know, like it hasn't been smooth sailing, you've relapsed. I did see something just recently that was a very valid point. And this is not to discredit or take anything away from anybody whom is in recovery. Credit to you, and I pray to God that you find the strength to continue. But it was a label and it's resonated with me, and I think that you may respect. What I'm going to say here is that you are a recovering addict. You're always going to be a recovering addict. The gentleman who made that point in this post is somebody who had an addiction with ice and other drugs. He's in recovery. He has recently relapsed some time in the last six months, which is okay, it happens. Pick yourself up, let's start again, back to ground zero and grow. But do we want to keep being reminded that I'm an addict, I'm a junkie.

You know. It's a good smack in the head.

You know. It's a good smack in the head.

I guess to oneself at times if you can absorb that and appreciate how far you've come from addiction. But do you want to keep reminding yourself that you are in a recovery position of addiction for life? I feel that there's better ways of accepting and processing and moving forward. Like for you, you're a successful businessman, you're a great father, you're a good husband, there's so many more qualities. Or do you go to your children and say, yeah, look, dad's a recovering addict and just you know, just say you understand it.

I guess to oneself at times if you can absorb that and appreciate how far you've come from addiction. But do you want to keep reminding yourself that you are in a recovery position of addiction for life? I feel that there's better ways of accepting and processing and moving forward. Like for you, you're a successful businessman, you're a great father, you're a good husband, there's so many more qualities. Or do you go to your children and say, yeah, look, dad's a recovering addict and just you know, just say you understand it.

You know, if your friends.

You know, if your friends.

Have a party and they pull out a bag, just you know, please don't pull.

Have a party and they pull out a bag, just you know, please don't pull.

It in front. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

It in front. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

And I think that mentally has a lot of weight into how we move forward in life.

And I think that mentally has a lot of weight into how we move forward in life.

Well, people talk about a diction like it's a disease and it's not. And I'm only speaking from experience, you know. People Sometimes people go, you're not a psychologist, You're not this thing.

Well, people talk about a diction like it's a disease and it's not. And I'm only speaking from experience, you know. People Sometimes people go, you're not a psychologist, You're not this thing.

I'm not, No, but we lived experienced people who probably have more experience than a psychologist.

I'm not, No, but we lived experienced people who probably have more experience than a psychologist.

Addictions. It's just an interest, Like you're just interested in it, like in anything. So it could be porn, it could be surfing, it could be work, it could be anything. It's just it's a personality type. You're interested in that thing and you like it. That's why people become addicted. They like it, you know, and you've just got to shift it. And I think if you got that type of personality, I need something to focus on.

Addictions. It's just an interest, Like you're just interested in it, like in anything. So it could be porn, it could be surfing, it could be work, it could be anything. It's just it's a personality type. You're interested in that thing and you like it. That's why people become addicted. They like it, you know, and you've just got to shift it. And I think if you got that type of personality, I need something to focus on.

Yes, I've always got to have a goal. I've always got to have a goal. When I'd finished my last sentence twenty fourteen, i'd finished six years for importation. Now I came out with three years. I was under federal parole. So it was three years and I needed purpose. I had two children, oldest sons twenty six. I'd lost that relationship, but my wife whom had our daughter, and then she was pregnant when I was arrested, so she'd raised my second son. I needed to be a dad. I needed to learn to be a dad, a good husband, and somebody whom my children could not just type the name in and see this notorious this or you know X this or X that whatever. And I thought, what can I do? And as a survivor of suicidality, living with mental health and like yourself, losing people close to you, what could I do? What could I put into life to make a difference through my own lived experience? And I decided to ride a pushbike across Australia from east to west and be the first to do it in under fifty days and successfully did so. How then it changed me and the depths I had to go to to realize I never want to go back to those places again and battle my inner demons, like I live with mental health issues every day.

Yes, I've always got to have a goal. I've always got to have a goal. When I'd finished my last sentence twenty fourteen, i'd finished six years for importation. Now I came out with three years. I was under federal parole. So it was three years and I needed purpose. I had two children, oldest sons twenty six. I'd lost that relationship, but my wife whom had our daughter, and then she was pregnant when I was arrested, so she'd raised my second son. I needed to be a dad. I needed to learn to be a dad, a good husband, and somebody whom my children could not just type the name in and see this notorious this or you know X this or X that whatever. And I thought, what can I do? And as a survivor of suicidality, living with mental health and like yourself, losing people close to you, what could I do? What could I put into life to make a difference through my own lived experience? And I decided to ride a pushbike across Australia from east to west and be the first to do it in under fifty days and successfully did so. How then it changed me and the depths I had to go to to realize I never want to go back to those places again and battle my inner demons, like I live with mental health issues every day.

We all do you know what I mean?

We all do you know what I mean?

Like I think that if you don't, that's exactly right, let's just be honest. But how do you embrace it? How do you make it your superpower? And how do you become great? And how many times do we have to trip over and go shit, that wasn't for me. I'm not going to be that guy. I'm not going to be the real estate aging in Australia or the best podcast.

Like I think that if you don't, that's exactly right, let's just be honest. But how do you embrace it? How do you make it your superpower? And how do you become great? And how many times do we have to trip over and go shit, that wasn't for me. I'm not going to be that guy. I'm not going to be the real estate aging in Australia or the best podcast.

Or you know, whatever it may be.

Or you know, whatever it may be.

The point is fucking get in there and have a crack and put your heart and soul into something because you will never know totally.

The point is fucking get in there and have a crack and put your heart and soul into something because you will never know totally.

Well, I think you said, then Brent, it's like the bike across Australia. What a great goal? Yeah like that, but.

Well, I think you said, then Brent, it's like the bike across Australia. What a great goal? Yeah like that, but.

It was never enough, Matt.

It was never enough, Matt.

I had to go again, and then I did Tazzy and then I started doing half Ironman's and then I just like, no, good.

I had to go again, and then I did Tazzy and then I started doing half Ironman's and then I just like, no, good.

So good. It's like you know the guy I was talking Yesterdays twenty three and I said, well, what do you like doing? He goes, I like, you couldn't, you can't get off gambling and he goes, I like training. I like personal training and said, well become that He's he started having a bit of a spark in his voice. I said, see, I'm just got to follow that. It's like every step where every choice, it's either forwards or backwards. That's the way I see it.

So good. It's like you know the guy I was talking Yesterdays twenty three and I said, well, what do you like doing? He goes, I like, you couldn't, you can't get off gambling and he goes, I like training. I like personal training and said, well become that He's he started having a bit of a spark in his voice. I said, see, I'm just got to follow that. It's like every step where every choice, it's either forwards or backwards. That's the way I see it.

Now.

Now.

I get on the steirmaster here it's a step forward, but take a beer, it's a step backwards.

I get on the steirmaster here it's a step forward, but take a beer, it's a step backwards.

That's how I say it, one hundred percent. And look, family, I also think is a massive part. And for those of us that are blessed to be fathers or mothers, whether it be throughout our own children or step children, we are leaders. We are what our children look up to.

That's how I say it, one hundred percent. And look, family, I also think is a massive part. And for those of us that are blessed to be fathers or mothers, whether it be throughout our own children or step children, we are leaders. We are what our children look up to.

You know.

You know.

I'm a big believer that I have.

I'm a big believer that I have.

My sons are doing quite well in their sporting and academics at the moment, in the elite programs, and I expect certain levels of commitment from them and discipline. Who am I to ask that of them? If I'm not prepared to lead by showing that I get up at four o'clock in the morning, I'll go run between ten and twenty kilometers, you know, like even after a triple spinal fusion, two blown knees, I'm still getting my ass up and going. My fifteen year old son has seen the growth and how much it's changed his life from Oh dad, I can't be but it's too cold to now, Okay, let's go to which his goal was a fifteen kilometer run at the back end of last year in the preseason, and he achieved it without even realizing it, because I chose to just mentally ignore him along the way and keep running and just say coming, son, you know, and like it's got to the point where he's like, oh my age you dad. You know, we stop looking at the watch and he says, oh, what was that nine ten? I said, no, Son, you just conquered fifteen and a half to wow, you know. So from that moment, that was an inspiring moment for Kishan to then want to be great and want to be the best. He's seen that that evolvement of just being a would I say, if I put the effort in, if I commit, I will get in return so much reward. Life is that in a nutshell, isn't it it is?