Hour 2 - Power of Persuasion

Published Jan 27, 2025, 8:20 PM
President Trump visits LA, challenges leadership decisions. People hate admitting they were wrong more than being wrong. A Clay and Buck listener with an interesting idea on how to quash the media's narrative on Trump immigration policies. Selena Gomez posts tearful and misinformed post on deportations. China and AI.

Welcome back in hour number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through talking about what happened over the course of the weekend. I'm sorry to all of the Buffalo bill fans out there listening to us right now, and I imagine you are legion. I don't know that Buck notice, but for a fourth time, the Buffalo Bills lost to the Kansas City Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes really kind of cementing himself as the Michael Jordan of the NFL. Doesn't really matter who you are. Almost impossible to beat him. Chiefs going for a third straight Super Bowl title. I'll be down in New Orleans next week, looking forward to doing the show Thursday Friday. From there as we get well, I guess I'll be Yeah, it'll be next week as we get ready for the super Bowl. But that happening, and we'll have some fun with that, maybe a little bit later when we talk about price picks. But Buck, I want to play this audio because I thought it was fantastic. Trump was in Las Vegas over the weekend and he was walking around the Circa Casino. Now you were just in Las Vegas. Buck what Wednesday, Thursday, Friday ish of last week doing. I don't think people were chanting Usa, Usa, USA as you walk through the casino. You don't like to gamble that much. I like to gamble. I like sitting at a blackjack table. I like hanging out, having some drinks gambling. There was one clip that went megaviral of Trump walking up next to a guy while he's at the crafts table, and anyone who has ever gambled at a casino table, can you imagine what it would be like to have the freaking president of the United States walk up to talk to you while you're at the crafts table or while you're playing black tac or whatever table game of choice you like to be involved in. I just it is. Trump in the public is the best version of Trump. Whether it's at a McDonald's, whether it's at getting a Philly cheese steak in Philly, congratulations of the Eagles who are going to be in the Super Bowl, wherever he might be, this is the best version of him. And here is what it sounded like as he walked through the casino. This is the circa casino Vegas over the weekend listen. How badass is that. I mean, if you need to see the video, it's up. We'll put it up at Clay and Buck. If you want, it's up on my twitter feed. I just the vibe. I know we talk about it, but the vibe shift is just so remarkable. In the space of just a couple of months, We've gone from a guy who basically can't walk as the president of the United States, somebody who regularly Trump I saw him talking about it that world leaders would call and Biden couldn't get on the phone and even talk with him. He didn't have the ability to do the job, to a guy just boldly striding everywhere. We mentioned it. Friday, Buck Trump was in North Carolina, Western North Carolina, drawing attention to the continued failure of the federal government to do enough to help people get back up on their feats in that region of the country. He also flew to la and I want to play this because he's in a city that overwhelmingly voted against him. He's sitting next to the mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass, and you know what Trump's saying, Hey, let people get out and start cleaning their lot. Let them start rebuilding. Now.

Listen, you will be able to go back soon.

We think within a week.

That's a long time.

A week, I'll be honest to me. Everyone's standing in front of the house. They want to go to work, and they're not allowed to do it. In the most a week is alone people to be safe.

This safe.

They're safe.

You know what.

They're not safe. They're not safe. Now they're gonna be much safer.

A week.

A week is actually a long time the way I look at it, I watched hundreds of people standing in front of their lots and they're not allowed to go in. It's all burned, it's gone, it's done. Nothing's gonna happen to it's not going to burn anymore. There's nothing to burn. There's almost nothing to burn, and they want to go in there. The people are all over the place. They're standing and they say, warren't you're going in. We're trying to get a permit, and the permit's going to take them. Everybody said eighteen months, you said eighteen months, you said eighteen months.

You don't even see our homes right now. We are blocked from entering our street. T I love this buck, I love it I love it. I love it.

Yeah, it's fantastic, and it shows you that President Trump is not going to be held back by misguided a misguided sense of oh, well, it's the mayor of Los Angeles is speaking on this issue, so all of a sudden, everything that I know in my lifetime as somebody in and around construction and building, you know, he's just going to lay it out there. He's just going to say what needs to be said, instead of a sense of a false hierarchy. Well, I mean, he's the president, but you know, a false hierarchy of well, you know, this person's the closer to the issue, and so I'll let her say whatever she wants to say, even if I disagree. So I think it's fantastic to see the President just letting it, letting it fly, and that's what people voted for, that's what they want. And on the issue of Los Angeles and the wildfire specifically, it's been horrendous. And also it's interesting because that kind of ties into the FEMA conversation too.

What was FEMA there helping people saving their houses?

No, of course FEMA's going to show up in the aftermath and probably make a lot of things harder than they would otherwise be. I know people in North Carolina, you know, are having remember that Hurricane FEMA's showing up like now in some places for the first time. You know that people are getting knocks on their door from FEMA. It's like, oh, it's been months, we thought we'd come by and see how you're doing. So there's a lot that I think could be improved upon here. But you know, Donald Trump in terms of FEMA, but Donald Trump coming forward Clay and speaking about it in this way is exactly what we want to see. And I think a lot of people in Los Angeles, even some people who didn't vote for Trump, want to see it.

This is important. And that's the other thing I wanted to hammer home about this. Not only is this the best version of Trump. I understand because I posted a video of this and a lot of you every now and then I go in because it's chaos in the Twitter streets and I want to read some of the comments, and a lot of people said, well, this is what they get for the way they voted. And I get that there are consequences to the election choices that you make. But if you are like me and you want America to be great again. You want America to be better, you have to persuade people of the correctness of the path that you are on. And this, to me, is why Trump's approval ratings are going up. It's not because suddenly the diehards who supported Trump in sixteen and twenty and twenty four are even more excited about supporting Trump. I get it. I love you guys. If you voted for Trump three times, congratulations, you were right. But being right's not enough. You have to persuade other people that they were wrong. And a lot of times we missed the persuasion part here. And the only way to really get the country moving is for around sixty percent of people this say you know what, Trump's on the right agenda, because then the opposition becomes a substantial minority. And Buck, I think you're right. I said this, I tweeted it. I bet seventy or eighty percent of those people in the Palisades voted for Karen Bass and they voted for Kamala Harris. And you know what, when they watched that clip, they're gonna say, wait a minute, Trump's doing a better job advocating for me. Being able to go to my own property and get rebuilt as fast as possible than the people I voted for. Maybe I got something wrong, Maybe I misread Trump. Maybe I'm not seeing the real Trump. Maybe the legacy media led me astray. You guys know this, but I think it's so important. Being willing to admit you were wrong is one of the hardest things for any human to do. We will, as a group and as a society, people hate admitting they were wrong more than they hate being wrong. Think about that, and so it's hard to get people to change their minds. But I know that it's happening, Buck, because sixty five million people voted for Trump in twenty sixteen. By twenty twenty four, seventy seven million did a lot of people listening to us right now didn't vote Trump in sixteen. They may not have voted Trump in twenty Now you recognize by twenty four, you know what He's right about a lot of these things. I think the event that he did in La, I think all over La there text threads of people who voted Kamala and Karen Bass saying, man, I didn't vote Trump, but he's really right about the fact in how we're going to rebuild here. That opening gives an opportunity to change the world if enough people start stepping through that opening.

Well, certainly, in the case of Los Angeles, as we've discussed, if you live in a very fancy neighborhood of LA and LA is really many connected cities, right, if you live in downtown Los Angeles, as we've discussed Santa Monica, it feels like it could be in another state. I mean, these are very disparate place is. And what happened here was that I think a lot of the elite voting block of Los Angeles that writes big checks and has big houses and has millions and millions of dollars, their decision making about who they voted for seemed suddenly like it mattered, right, all of a sudden, it wasn't. Oh, other people have to deal with crime, Other people have to deal with the legal aliens. You know, that's their issue. I get to vote for Democrats and feel good about myself because Democrats care. And now all of a sudden, it's well, my house burned down, My you know, four million or ten million dollar house or whatever it is, burned down, and I still haven't been able to go to it. And I think the people in charge of morons. And I've heard this secondhand from a lot of people who have friends that have lost houses and stuff, that they are outraged at how incompetent and how Remember there's there's the lack of competency during the fires, but you could argue the even bigger thing, Clay is the lack of adequate preparation before the fires. So so turning around to say to everybody, you know, and as Gavin Newsom, he's like, hey, the local people are gonna have to figure out what happened to those fire hydrants. It's like the fire hydrants running out of water is unacceptable, okay.

And they could say, well, there's nothing we can do about it now, you know.

Sorry, Well yeah, but you should have done something about it before. And that's where I think there's just no excuse. And there's been a recognition of what a total disaster it has been out there, and.

You know, Trump's coming out there and he's just telling them like.

It is, which is this whole thing has just been a mess, an absolute mess, uh, and a tragedy for a lot of people. And that the high taxes they pay, you know, Margaret Brennan took that shot. We had people calling in that wanted to defend their state story. We know Alabama and time I got your back, I got your clay. Clay Clay is certainly not letting any of that slide. But you look at the fourteenth tax you pay if you're in the high bracket in California, thirteen and change whatever it is. It's not like you get better services. It's not like the people in charge are making smarter decisions. So that's also, I think, quite a bit of a wake up call.

Not if you said to people, what is the number one thing you think the government should do? Put out fires is probably the number one thing. When something is burning, I want the fire department to show up and put it out. Despite everything that they're paying in California buck highest taxes anywhere in the country, they have lost the ability to put out fires. Competence matters. And I think when you see Trump, whatever you think about him, the guy's built a lot over the years. All he's saying is people should be able to start to clean up their lots and begin the process of rebuilding immediately. That's what I would want to do. Is that what you run into your house firms now, and by the way, you know what's going to happen a lot of people if you don't allow them to do it, they're gonna leave. Because if you've got a family and you've got the resources, as some of the people do in the Palisades, if you're not allowing them to immediately start the rebuild process. Building and rebuilding is hard, it's a grind. It's not easy to go through that process. Some of them are just gonna say, screw it. I'm moving to Florida, I'm going to Tennessee, I'm going to Texas. I'm done with these governments. That tax dollars is leaving forever, and they're just gonna walk away. It's not even just that it's the right thing to do morally. We like to talk about this buck, it's the right thing to do politically because you need those people and their incomes and their resources rebuilding immediately. So it's not only that you're doing the wrong thing for them individually. You're actually encouraging them to just say I'm done, I can't deal with this anymore. Yep.

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Also want to hear from our VIPs VIP email from Robert Trump could quash the left on his deportation actions with one simple action. Show up at a nationalization citizenship swearing in ceremony and welcome all the new immigrants who became citizens the right way, certainly clarify President Trump's stance on legal versus illegal, and stop any charges he is racist. It would be a great headline. It's a interesting idea, for sure. I think that one of the aspects of Trump's presidency that's going to be getting more attention is also how many legal immigrants should the country be taking in, given that it has had a bigger flood of foreigners coming to America legally than really at any time since the great waves of migration, and we have more people who are non native born Americans than well, you'd have to go back a very long ways, I think to find anything that was quite at this number. We have some calls here to Angela in Brentwood, Tennessee. What's going on?

Hi, Hay, longtime listener. Enjoying you guys show very much. I just wanted to speak to what you were saying before. Was her name, Margaret Brennan, the news person who was saying the South can hardly handle disasterly. Obviously she's probably never been to the South of you know, much time there, But I wanted to say that probably a little known fact is that in the US, after the Red Cross and the Salvation Army, the Southern Baptist disaster relief organization is the biggest disaster relief so number three in the size of disaster relief organizations in the country. And these aren't just volunteers just who just show up. These are volunteers who have trained especially for this, for helping the you know, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes. There's over ninety five thousand of them across the US that are trained. And like Tennessee Baptist Convention, in Mississippi Baptist Convention, they they worked with those and they started in.

What Angel would go. But I think she's hitting on something matters. Buck. Other ners definitely feel like we can take care of ourselves.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you guys rolling with us as we are breaking down everything took place over the weekend. We mentioned that the Trump deportations, which is rapidly underway, illegal violent criminals being arrested all over the country and sent back to their home countries, and we said, hey, you should prepare yourself for a pushback, and it will be an emotional one. It won't be a logical one. Because if you engage in this issue in any way in a logical fashion, what's the argument against deporting illegals who are committing violent acts here? It's one of the easiest decisions out there. But when you talk about emotions, people often don't respond in a coherent fashion. I want to play this for you because it has gone megaviral and it is an example of what I think you should prepare yourself for. Also, I think we're play publicans need to have still spines here. Steel spines do not allow these emotional appeals to impact what is the logical and right choice. But here is Selena Gomez actress? What is she? And Buck? Was she in Wicked? I think you're asking the wrong guy. She's an Amelia Perez right now, I understand, but wasn't she? Also is that Ariana Grande. I'm gonna be honest, I kind of get those two mixed up. But Ariana was in Wicked? Sorry for being racist. Here is Selena Gomez complaining about illegals being taken out of the country. I just shouldn't say that.

I'm so sorry. Only people that are getting detect the children.

They don't understand. They're so sorry. I wish I could do something that they can't. I don't know what to do. I'll triumphy, all right, Selena Gomez crying there? Buck? Can we adopt as a preliminary if you take a video of yourself crying by yourself and then choose to post it, that's kind of a weird thing to do, right, Like, there's nobody else around. You're sitting in your kitchen, you record yourself crying, and then you decide to post it. Now. She since deleted this video, but it is gone megaviral. Lots of people are reacting it. They are going to be a lot of these. But what's your take.

Well, one thing I find interesting beyond just Selena Gomez here is that anyone thinks that anyone cares about actors or entertainers anymore and what they think about politics. I think that that has changed dramatically. I think that the era of oh, you know, the remember the George Clooney op ed about like how Biden should step down and that worked out great. This is a time when people are waking up more and more to the fact that a lot of entertainers are really ignorant and really narcissistic and dumb, and you shouldn't listen to them about anything. So that's one part of this, right, Uh, just so this this is a person doesn't know anything about the immigration laws we're talking about, doesn't understand what the broader issues are. But then also she says, my, I mean she's an American, right, I don't know almost nothing about her. I assume she's an American citizen because she says my people, And to that, I just wonder what does that mean? Because if you're an American, your people are the American people. Right, unless all of a sudden were to think that she's she has a kind of Hispanic solidarity or something like that, where where is that coming from?

Right? She says my people? Well, your people are Americans.

Your people aren't actually illegals, were being the ord Why does she refer to them as her people? That would be another question that I have from this, beyond the obvious. Uh, you know, she's emotionally unstable and no surprise there.

Yeah, that's a that's a great point. I think she was a Disney child actress, and I, as you heard me on the show, I've always been unable to distinguish like she and Ariana Grande are basically the same person to me, So I don't know particularly about their backgrounds. Was this the one that dated Bieber or not? Or did he date both of them? That's primarily how I know that she did that. She did date Bieber? All right?

Look am I a pop culture knowledge?

So Bieber dodged a bullet there. I don't know if I'm the only person who can't tow was Ariana Grande also a Disney child actor too? Are these? Are they? To these girls? Fewed against each other, they're but basically the same person to me, like Pixie meaning small like singer actress who came from the Disney World universe. And I do wonder though she deleted it. Whatever, let me just say this because I'm gonna tee off on her on multiple different angles here. If you have a take, own it, you can't delete your take. Like I think she's a moron for this perspective. She didn't make a video crying over Lake and Riley. She didn't make a video crying over Joscelyn Nungary. All of these innocent people who are dead because criminal, illegal aliens killed them in this country. And people say, well, people get killed, that's the argument. This is actually the argument eleven. Will people get killed all the time. Yeah, but if they're illegally here in the first place, they should have never happened. And by the way, I wish we had no murder. I wish there was no violent crime, all right, to bold stand, it's a bold stand from class. I wish murder was zero. I don't want anybody to get killed. That's a very bold stand for me. The goal is to have as few murders as possible, and if one way you could have you were murders is by not allowing people who murder to illegally enter the country. That seems like a rational choice to me. So she posted this video and then she deleted it, So what is her thought? I think your point on these are my people she's an American, are Jocelyn Nungary and Lake and Riley, not her people, because those are the people that I care about. I care about other Americans first and foremost. So the fact that she deleted it means that she's not even standing behind this. So now she's gonna she's gonna manage to create a situation where majorities of people think she's a moron, and then even the people who don't think she's a moron are gonna be like, well, why'd you delete it? Well?

I think she probably deleted it because her managers or agent or whatever said, what are you doing? Don't get involved in this right now?

I get it, But once you posts the video, this is a good lesson. I tell my kids this all the time, too. Deleting something that you post on social media doesn't eliminate it, and in many ways, back to me, it actually draws more attention to it because it suggests that you wish you hadn't posted it in the first place. So this idea of oh, I posted something, but I deleted it, No, you can't. Nothing ever vanishes on the Internet like it's there forever. Deleting it just makes you look like even more of a moron than you already did. So I'm anti deletion here, your anti deletion and prote I think Prono murders. Yeah, Prono murders very good, well done on that one. And I think that Selena Gomez, yes, her opinion on.

Immigration is not something that anyone particularly cares about, and I think she recognized that a little bit too late. But for a lot of people, here's what I will say you can expect play. There'll be a lot of people who have for years now used social media political stances as a way to get attention and maybe even at some level build audience. They are that they're drug is missing right now. You know their addicts for attention and their drug is missing on social media. And what they'll latch onto is this they're going to start if the deportations. Remember it's not just that they will continue, it's that they're going to escalate dramatically. That is what Trump has promised. That is what Tom Homan has said is going to happen. So if that happens, you will see a lot of the virtue signaling libs that instead of Russia collusion or threats to democracy or whatever, it's going to be this is un American and we're deporting all these people. It's so means this is going to become the thing that idiot celebrities want.

To talk about, which is why everybody has to have a steel spine on this, because they're going to be all these emotional VideA is the first one I've seen, and I hope that what happens to Selena Gomez frankly is the market responds to this, like the market responded. You remember Woke snow White. I don't even remember Rachel Zigfiled or something like that, whatever her name is. Uh, they haven't released that movie yet. Remember the woke snow White, like the live action snow White. The Rachel whatever her name is, that is so woke that like snow White was not going to be the.

Saved and I think they also yes, snow snow White was was a boss babe who was like getting it in the office.

Yeah, you know so.

I think they also decided they weren't going to use actual dwarves because they thought it was described was demeaning and discriminatory. And then people who are dwarves were like, excuse me, this is a great opportunity, you know.

The greatest acting opportunity of the dwarf community's life. Only small people can play these roles. These are actual dwarves. And then they took it away and they had full sized people, full sized people.

Yeah, this is what ends up happening when you know, you play woke games, you get woke prizes.

It's not good. What's his name? Who is the Tyrian Peters Peter Dinklish, greatest little man actor of all time? He's probably surely he's one of the dwarves, right, I mean that would be like you know, starting a basketball team back in the day and not trying to get Michael Jordan to play for it, like he's the Michael Jordan of Dwarf actors. But the fact that they put tall people in the role of dwarves, thereby destroying the only real opportunity most dwarves had to ever make. Him living as an actor is a perfect illustration of how broken and stupid all of these people are. Rachel Zegler woke snow White. She remember she ripped Trump voters and then posted a follow up video or she was like, sorry, I didn't mean it, Like what I mean? I just so many of these people are morons, and yes, I love seeing them expose themselves. And if you don't want to be a moron, you should go to Hillsdale College because they will get you educated and help to have you embrace a love of learning. Whether it's books, movies, TV series, life, everything ultimately comes back to your functional knowledge and how well you can deploy it. And that's what Hillsdale College wants to make sure. They have now posted their coursework online for free, nearly forty in all you can sign up for on your own time, no grades. How many of you have a lifelong love of learning, Maybe you didn't get the opportunity to sit in a classroom and learn from an incredibly skilled teacher, and maybe you now have a little bit more time in your life and you're saying, boy, you know what I wish I had a little bit more knowledge about a wide variety of subjects. Their most popular course right now, Constitution one oh one tells the story of the nation's document that preserves and defines freedoms. No tests, no homework, just learning at your pace. These courses is highly produced, fun and engaging, not stuffy lectures. Easy to get started. To register, go to clayandbuckfour Hillsdale dot com. That's Clayandbuck fo r Hillsdale dot com. To register one more time, check out all the great options at Clayanbuck for Hillsdale dot com.

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We'll dive into some of the additional Trump changes that have been made since he came into office, including around COVID issues. That there will be a reinstatement of those who lost their jobs in the military for refusing to get the shot with back pay. That's the right thing. We'll discuss on that also. Pete Hex Seth was confirmed. He is our friend. Pete Hegseth is the Secretary of Defense now, so we'll spend some time diving to that. But something that I find of interest, and I think it affects all of us, whether people are interested in it in a news sense or not, is what's going on right now in the artificial intelligence world AI. And you've had the Nasdaq dropping over three percent today. In Video, which has just been a rocket ship of a stock's gone down sixteen percent, all because now in video is a chip maker considered essential to create the high very sort of high functioning chips for artificial intelligence. This Chinese Deep Seek AI has come out. It has its own it's kind of like chat GPT, but it's a Chinese version of it, and Clay people are saying it works as well as chat GPT, and it's a fracture of the cost. It's a lot easier to do, and I think it's it's rattled the tech markets right now because what if China is actually is actually closer to us in AI, or maybe even ahead of us in AI than we realize.

What if China gets ahead of us in AI?

Robotics and some of these other critical areas for the future everyone's having. There's a little bit of a freak out moment going on right now everybody.

So far, the only thing I've seen AI use for is making fun of me with flute pictures, which you guys are amazing at. But I have talked to people way smarter than us in the world of tech, and they really do deeply believe that AI is going to change everything inside of most companies and buck I think the underlying reason, big picture that stock prices have kept going up is there's an idea that businesses are going to become wildly more efficient, need way fewer employees as a result of a lot of the task that AI is going to be able to do. But what has happened here is there's a bit of a Sputnik moment where for those of you out there that are history nerds, you remember suddenly Russia leapt ahead of America in space age technology with the Sputnik, and we got to justifiably concern about the trajectory of the world geopolitical situation. I think that's kind of a little bit of the reaction with what China has done in its version of AI, which is publicly available for lots of people to use. Have you used AI in your existence life? How did you use it?

I've just gone on chat GPT and you know, ask questions and just to play around check it out a little bit. It's like a more it feels like a more advanced version of Google Search in some ways.

I don't know.

I'm not blown away by it yet by any means. But clay on this on this score, like what the Magnificent seven. It's a bunch of tech stocks. They're the reason that all of our four oh one k's and retirement accounts and everything have been going up so much in the last because they've been propping up the S and P five hundred those seven in stocks. And so if they are not going to be as hyper profitable and incredibly influential and dominant in the global market as expected, these are the kind of things you go, oh, oh, could this start to trigger a real economic you know, a reset, a recession, a decline, something something that that hurts, that's painful. I don't think this is going to do it, but it just goes to show you that it's you know, it's it's never obvious until it happens, and then everyone says, how did we know this was coming? And the economy is that there there are some areas that are shakier than a lot of people realize right now, just systemically.

I mean, this is years. This has nothing to do with Trump per se.

This is just what we've been building toward, you know, with debt, with inflation, with monetary policy, and with what the hopes are that have been propelling the stock market to have an incredible few years uh recently.

It reminds me a bit of the boom that came from the Internet, the dot com boom that many of you remember. Stock prices skyrocketed, and they were right. The Internet did fundamentally transform the way that Americans lived, but it took a while to figure out who the big winners were. And remember one of the early teams that people thought was going to be a big winner was the fibers, the microfibers with which the Internet travels on. And then the stock prices collapsed there because it turned out it was going to be way cheaper than we thought. Part of me thinks that AI is not going to be as expensive to create as we may have thought.

And you still don't know who the winners are going to be. Well that's where that's where there was that crash and then the Internet kept on roaring. But just saying right now, it raises a lot of things. Where are we really technologically against China, what's really propping up our stock market, where's the economy going?

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