The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton ShowWelcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.
Welcome back in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are all over the place. Buck is in Los Angeles. I am in Asheville, North Carolina. Flew in here this morning on a helicopter. Really difficult to get into Ashville and many of the surrounding communities if you are basically trying to travel in any way. We're going to get more information about how crazy it has been over the past couple of weeks. We bring into the studio here with me in Ashville, Mark Starling six to nine am Eastern morning show host here on five.
Seventy am WWNC.
Also news director and Mark, I just want to start with this, when did you become aware that this was going to be a major disaster? And tell people how many days in a row you've spent this air. This station never went off air. You guys have continued to communicate with everybody what should they know about your experience in the early days of this hurricane disaster.
So we kind of had an idea. On Wednesday, we were talking to our meteorologist from the Weather Channel, and he said, we've been working with him for ten years. In that ten years, i've heard him use the word catastrophic maybe once. He used it twice in the same segment, and I knew right then, like this is not a guy who's hyperbolic. We were dealing with something different. Thursday, we came up with a game plan. My producer, Tank Spencer, He and I were like, Okay, we're going to stay at the station Thursday night, probably gonna be able to go home Friday night. Storm is gonna go past. I covered hurricanes for most of the fifteen years of the start of my career. Right about Thursday evening we started to realize when things were already flooding and the storm hadn't gotten here, we knew we were in bad shape. We had six inches of rain prior to this storm even coming close to North Carolina, which meant everything was already saturated. It wasn't gonna take much to blow trees over. So we stayed Thursday night. We got up Friday morning and did the morning show like we normally do, kind of went through the day, and it was getting progressively worse and worse. And obviously, you know, by Friday night it was in full swing, so we had lost We never lost power. I'm sorry we lost power. We never went off the air. We lost internet on Saturday at two thirty six pm, right on the nose. I remember looking at the clock and I remember seeing our phones go down, and so we had no communication with the outside world. We had no way to get any sort of new information. We had no way to use our phones, we had no cell service. A buddy of mine happened to be listening over in West Dashville and heard us say, listen, folks, we're at a we're at a disadvantage here. We don't have any information. We can't take your phone calls. We're going to go back to regular programming and try to gather some information. He actually ended up hiking up here. He drove as close as he could, hiked in with a Ham radio had already talked to the Ham radio network around here and said, hey, look Mark, Mark is going to key up the mic. He's going to try to get all the information he can from you guys, and then he's going to go back on the air and he and ten you're going to relate to everybody that's listening, and that's how we operated for about twelve to fourteen hours. We heard a noise out in the hallway and we were on a break and we stuck our heads out there, and here are the most beautiful site I've ever seen, was to iHeartRadio engineers with a starlink strapped to their back coming down the hallway, and I knew at that point we were okay.
So eulog starlink is the reason you were able to get back on the internet.
Correct, Correct, So we got back on the internet Saturday night, and we basically stayed round the clock taking phone calls, listening to I mean, people were scared. No one ever thought a hurricane would come to western North Carolina, and Tank and I kind of sat and talked about it, and we were like, look, it's going to be our job to help these people get through this hurricane. The noises you're gonna hear in the middle of the night are going to scare the crap out of you. You're not going to know what's going on because you can't see anything, and when you wake up tomorrow morning, it could be even a scarier site when you look outside. And so we were really trying to just kind of prep people for this and like really walk them through step by step, and we kept saying, look, it's okay to not be okay. This is a super scary time. The phone calls started coming in and they started getting scarier and scarier and scarier. We took a call from a gentleman who was up in the second floor of his house with his wife and their seven year old grandson. He called and we were chatting with him, and this was literally like just minutes before everything kind of went chaotic, and he says, oh, you know, we're gonna be okay. We're We've had flooding here before. They weren't okay. They didn't make it, and it evolved you on. They called us on the air and he talked to us and he said, you know, I've been meeting to clean this place out. I wanted to kind of downsize. He's like, it looks like that's going to be taking care of for me. And within hours they were gone. So we realized then that we had to have a connection, and so we decided that hey, listen, if you know someone that's missing, call us here at the radio station.
Give us their name.
And address and phone number, and we will like, we're going to try to crowdsource wellness checks. So we started doing that. We get a call from this guy's name is Chris Henderson and he is an absolute angel, and he said, listen, I'm out here doing wellness checks. What if we team up together and you start taking the names and the addresses, you send them to me and I'll send my team out there. So we did, and as of right now, I think we are at like one hundred and forty eight families that have been reunited with their loved ones. I think it was like four hundred and twenty eight people or something like that. And then we started the iHeartRadio Ashville Chainsaw Gang, and we've got a group of chainsaw cutters and they literally just go and take houses or trees off people's houses and they don't charge them. This is all stuff that we were able to crowdsource through the power of radio. And I think that for us is really what the story is here. When the TV couldn't do it, the newspaper couldn't do it, there was nothing online. The only thing left was AMFM radio. All seven stations stayed on the air, simulcasted. When our team was able to get into the building, the cavalry had arrived and we went we were walled the wall. I actually got to sleep at home for the first time last night.
You were sleeping here at the station.
I've been here. I was at the station for fourteen days, never went home. My wife she wasn't going to evacuate, and he say, I wasn't too happy about that. Got a call on Friday morning and she said, you know what, We've had to evacuate. We're at a gas station. I've got all four dogs and our son Eli. We're just going to have to ride it out here. There are actually waves coming cresting over the top of the overpass down on the Highway nine in Black Mountain, which is where we live. And it was one of the hardest hit areas. And I didn't hear from her for forty eight hours. And when she did call, we were on the air, and she had actually gone to a Black Mountain town hall meeting that they had. She called in and my producer Tank, he puts their caller's name up on the screen and I looked over and I thought, what is it. Wait, this can't be She's the only Brandy I know that spells it with too ease at the end, and from pretty much that point on, it was it was waterworks. It was just I was just so happy to know that they were okay. I have not seen them since the Wednesday. Uh, they were evacuated down the sistern loss house with their four dogs and they're doing great. They you know, it just we made it. We met on a lot better than a lot of folks did. I mean, we took some damage to our home, but nothing in comparison to what some of these folks have lost.
Mark, appreciate you being with us and giving us first of all that this is just this incredible, uh story about what you and the station have been through and also been able to accomplish over the last two weeks. What is the what are the imminent needs right now? I mean what what is the focus of these rescue and recovery now really, I guess more recovery efforts currently going forward? Like what what has to happen, what needs need to be met? Uh, what's on the ground doing at all of that?
So you know, as far as like supplies that have that have come in, I mean, it has just been. It has been an American out pouring. It's incredible to see the amount of supplies that we have, and right now we're really good on supplies. But this is not a short term situation. Our water system was decimated by about eighty five percent of it. I think there's eighteen hundred miles of waterline in Ashville. Eighty five percent of it's gone. So what we're really you know, what we're really hoping for is that we can get the water back online as fast as possible. They're measuring that time off out of water in weeks and not days.
Power is back on.
There's still about a thirty thousand people in Bunkham County, which is where we are, that is that that are still without power. It's getting better and better every day. But you know, I think what we're worried about in the long term is we've got cooler weather moving in and we've got people who used to have homes that don't have homes, and really, you know, I think the big thing is is all of these groups that are on the ground in here, whether they are doing you know, whether they're doing recovery work or whether they're doing supply work. We work with a group called Heartswidthands dot org. It's a local charity. They're based out of Swannanoah, which was one of the most devastated areas, and strangely, every single thing around their warehouse was destroyed, but their warehouse wasn't touched. They have two functions. They feed all of our first responders hot meals every day, and then they also package food boxes for pickup and delivery for folks who are in need in the community. You know, usually hearts with hands, they're the ones that are loading up the trailers and are taken to Florida or somewhere else. I don't think anybody ever thought it was gonna happen here. And you know, this storm was so different because of the terrain. You know, a storm hits Florida, you got miles of beachline for the water to reced to. There's nowhere for the water to recede to here, So it was literally like a thirty five foot wall of water and debris that came down the French Broad River and just decimated everything in its path. I mean, there are towns that used to be here that don't exist anymore. And it's you know, as someone who covered hurricanes their entire career living in Florida, I've never been through anything like this before. I mean, the just the fury that the water has brought to western North Carolina is just incredible.
I think this is important. I was just talking out front with a state trooper who came by. We're talking with Mark Starling, hosts six to nine am Eastern morning shows on this incredible story here at five seventy am WWNC. I forty many things. I asked out front. How long is this gonna take?
He said, this is gonna take years to rebuild.
So for people out there who haven't done anything yet, maybe they haven't recognized the severity of this. There's gonna be a need for help here four months and months.
To come, if not years. I mean, we're a tourism based economy. There's only one thing to see here right now, and that's destruction. Yeah, you know, hotels are not able to rent hotel rooms because you can't rent a hotel room without running water. So that is pretty much you.
Guys don't have running water still at the radio.
Still, that's right. Yeah, we've been without water since I believe it was Friday. Is when we lost water. Yeah, it is. It's an untenable situation for a lot of people. And there are people that are leaving. You know, there were certain places that right after the storm happened and that they were saying, listen, if you can leave, leave, help's not coming. And it's like, well, whoa wait a second, here, these are our communities. We're not going anywhere. And you know, for what we wanted to do here at the radio station, at iHeart Asheville was we wanted to show the community that, like, we can get through this. And we've been kind of repeating this line. Community is the answer to this crisis, and it is amazing. You know, people have I always go back to this one phone call and a guy came called in and he says, you know, I've helped so many of my neighbors today and I didn't even ask you. They voted for first And it's just kind of that, like everything else outside of western North Carolina, everything else doesn't matter right now. Like our job as a as a station and as a group of stations and as an airstaff is to kind of unite our unity and bring us bring everyone together and get through this together. I mean, it's going to be a heavy lift, and what we have seen is the absolute best in humanity in an absolute horrific, horrific time.
We asked whether it was appropriate to even try to come in here. You guys need so much help. The story was, we want you to help get this story because you're talking to all fifty states right now. You're talking to people all over the world, really, but certainly in all fifty states. What would you ask of them? What can they do if they're listening right now and they're hearing about how bad things are in western North Carolina?
Honestly, I would I would recommend giving. Yeah, if you can give, please give heartswithands dot org is again such a wonderful organization. It's local. All that money stays local as far as help goes. If you have a skill and it's and you feel like it would be worthy. We need help here.
You know.
The clean up, the you know, for the most part, has gone pretty well, but there is just so much of it. You know, We've got our our chainsaw teams from the radio station. They're running wide open pretty much from six a m. Until seven or eight o'clock at night, and uh, you know, The one thing I guess that we don't need is people coming to Western North Carolina per se to the to the heavy disaster zones and kind of clogging things up. There are areas in western North Carolina that are open for business.
Maggie Valley.
I got a call today from a business owner. He's like, hey man, He's like, I run a knife shop, and he's like, we're totally open for business here and and we would really rather, you know, like direct people to us if you if you can't, if they can't hang out in Nashville, tell them to go come up to Maggie Valley and see us, or go to Waynesville. And you know, there's a there's some there's some good truth to that because these other these other like areas, they too are tourist economies.
This is what happened in Hawaii, right where absolutely everybody decided they didn't want to go to Hawaii, bucking the whole thing. So one more time that website, and by the way, what you did, thanks to you, you and sacrifices that you made for your family. I can't even imagine what you've gone through talking to so many people in so many positions of peril. This is the best of radio.
It absolutely is, and I gotta I have to shout out my team because the team here at iHeart Ashville is truly the most incredible group of people. They're most of our staff works on music stations. They're not familiar with the news talk format. That didn't matter because it wasn't such a so much of a formatic thing. It was we just need to be able to show people that we're here to and we care and we're gonna help you one way or the other. If we can't help you, we will find someone to help you. And that's how it's worked out. And the community has answered those calls and said, hey, you know what, I can go over there and check on this guy. I you know, I'm on my way to my next appointment. I'll stop by and make sure that they're okay. It's the power of radio, and it is the power of this iHeart Radio Ashville team. They are just such an incredible group of humans. You know, Tank Spencer and I were here for by ourselves for the first portion of the storm because our team couldn't get here. I don't know if you saw coming, well, you didn't see it. Community because you came it from the air, but coming up our driveways line, it was lined with about a hundred trees. Every tree came down, there was no way to get in or out. It crushed the fence in the front. Once those trees got out of the way, our team was unstoppable. They got in and they just they just got it done. And they have continued to You know, this is our home, this is our community, and we we we want to just see it built back. We know it's going to take time, and we know it's going to be heavy lifting, but this is where we call home and Western North Carolina mountain folks are different. I got news for you. Mountain folks are tough, and that we're we will really, we will rebuild this community. It may not look exactly like it did, uh it'll be better. That's that's the way I feel. And I feel like our community is more united today than we ever have been in the past because of this storm. And if that's the good that we can pull out of this, I'll take it all day long.
Mark, Thank you so much, incredible work. Appreciate you telling us about this and everyone who can go and donate and help out, please.
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Tons of you just giving us so much feedback, I want to think again. And if you didn't hear the full thing, it'll be up on the podcast. We wanted to share with you what the experience has been like for people in Ashville and surrounding communities in western North Carolina, eastern Tennessee. And Mark Starling, who was the host that was on with us in the opening segment of this hour from five to seventy AMWWNC.
Buck, You've talked about this a lot.
Radio uniquely connects with the audience. There are lots of different medias, There are lots of different ways that people make connections, writing, TV, a variety of different subjects, but radio at its core really connects with people. And I thought the stories that he was sharing in a time of crisis here really connected with you in all fifty.
States and my family in Ashville at the height of the storm and its destruction, or you know, in the morning after it they were listening on that station. Carrie told me before Clay I even knew you were going to Ashville, said, you've got to talk to these guys. The iHeart team in Ashville has just been all hands on deck, not just to get information out, but also to coordinate response.
And rescue efforts.
It's an amazing thing.
But yes, you can imagine for people who had their house, you know, partially carved in by falling trees, surrounded by lethal floodwaters on all sides, roads either washed away or blocked by trees. To hear on on AM or FM radio, we know you're out there, We're in your community. We're coming for you. Hold tight. Help is on the way. I think of how meaningful that is, and it was the only way to get people that message, no doubt.
We want to continue to update you with everything going on in the world of politics as well. I'm here in Ashville. You heard, By the way, heartswith Hands is a great organization local that you can donate to if you were moved by the stories that you heard being shared by Mark Starling and many others who are talking to us outside and around the scenes here as as I'm in Ashville. But I also wanted to not neglect what's going on in the political realm right now. And let's play this Buck. I don't know if you saw this. You mentioned as we went to break just a second ago, that obviously this week was the one year anniversary of October seventh, and to how do you pronounce his name?
By the way, I've read it.
For tanahase Coats.
Tanahasei Coats is a left wing icon who basically believes that America is awful and that racist.
You got you in the word racist.
In fact, the book is really just every sentence is about how racist, really actually white people are. But America is more broadly as well racist, racist, racist.
And so I heard this interview last night and I just thought it was a perfect distillation of how awful many of the people who argue that America is racist truly are.
And this was him. Yeah.
Can I just add, because I think this important, Clay, the left also believes that Israel is raist, racist, racist, So that's where the connection is. Okay, we've already done the trash America. It's all racist, all the white people in America are racist. Israel the left also believes racist and all the Israelis who first of all not I mean, they're not even all white.
There's a whole other conversation, but.
They're all racist.
This is what many kids on college campuses are being taught.
Which is why I want to play this for you.
And this is why maybe is next month is Thanksgiving and you've got grandson or granddaughter sitting at the table and they're going to say, oh, Israel, you know they're not a safe actor here. They deserve some of what happened to them. This is the kind of arguments they're hearing on campus. I want you to hear it. This was a discussion about why this guy coach would have potentially been one of the terrorists as well. Listen to his rationale. This is cut one.
Well, I'm twenty years old, born into Gaza, which is a giant open air jail. And what I mean by that is, if my father is a fisherman and he goes too far out into the sea, he might get shot by somebody off of you know, side of Israeli botes.
If my mother picks the olive.
Trees and she gets too close to the wall, she might be shot. If my little sister has you know, cancer and she needs treatment because there are no you know, facilities to do that in Gaza, and I don't get the right permit, she might die. And I grow up under that oppression and that poverty and the wall comes down? Am I also strong enough? But even constructed in such a way, why I say this is too far?
I don't know that I am buck.
If you ever think, hey, maybe I should kill somebody because of their race, their ethnicity, or their religion, newsflash, you are not the good guy.
But that's what many of these people believe.
Well this all also, I don't think we've we've addressed play the the reason that this is getting, you know, so much attention.
You you just played.
The most recent appearance by by mister Coates on this issue, he was on the CBS Morning Show pushing his new book, which I believe only a portion of deals with this Only a portion of it deals with Israel Palestine. But his position is very explicitly Israel is an apartheid state. It is evil along the lines of South Africa or even Nazi Germany, which is obviously very offensive to the Jewish people. And the one of the anchors who I had never heard of before, Tony something that is I forget his last name, but Ducoppel Dakappel. He just basically said, why did you leave out in your explanation of the Palestinian plight? Why did you leave And I say, Tony, actually, you know has done his research. He's like, why'd you leave out the Second Intifada? Why didn't you not talk about the fact that there was an effort in what was otherwise peacetime, a long and sustained effort to send as many Palestinian suicide bombers into civilian areas as possible to kill people who were at birthday parties, the old, the young, women, and children, to pay the families of the suicide bombers, the Shahid the martyrs in perpetuity, to hold up those families as the great heroes of the Palestinian people. Not scientists, not athletes, not businessmen, suicide bombers, the greatest, the greatest heroes of the Palestinian people in the early two thousands, the suicide bombers and their families, Why no talk of any of that?
And Clay the thing.
About tanahassikots Is. He's an icon of the left. He is the demost celebrated black author of his generation. And so the rules at CBS are you are not allowed to ask him questions. You were allowed to clap and tell him how brilliant he is. Those are the unspoken rules of the Democrat Party. Those were broken by that anchor at CBS. They have now brought in we're not making any of this up. Diversity educators, struggle sessions, reports about how people are crying in these meetings.
How dare he ask him any questions? I mean, this is this is why the Democrat Party, the left is so broken. It's a cult. This is insane, totally.
And they also have now sent out instructions at CBS saying that they're not to say that Jerusalem is in Israel. I mean, I didn't believe some of this stuff. I had to go read it. I saw the headlines. CBS News is broken and this we haven't spent a ton of time talking about it, but the way they edited the Kamala Harris sixty minutes interview buck When Dan Rather got caught making up news about George W. Bush, they fired him. They basically ended his career when they failed. About the National Guard and all those stories. But really, to me, this is far worse than that, because it goes to the very essence of the organization itself and whether it can be trusted. And so when you have people out there arguing Jewish people are so bad that basically anything you do to them can be justified, and then you simultaneously have people like the guy who's fighting back against the Madison Square Garden rally against Trump saying, oh, this is like Nazis rallying in nineteen thirty seven and nineteen thirty nine, all these other things. I just want to push back and say, you realize the left in this country is the one arguing that any violence against Jewish people can be justified based on their history, which is the same argument that Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were making. Now it's a left wing in the United States argument.
I want to also point out that there's a fundamental rejection of principle that the Allies the pro Palestinian pro Hamas and by the way, people will they will bristle when you say they're pro Hamas. Hamas is the government of Gaza, the elected government of Gaza. So I don't know in what universe there if there was, And credit to Doug Murray for slamming this point home a few times. If there was an election in the West Bank, Hamas would win tomorrow.
Okay.
So Hamas are the chosen representatives of the Palestinian people by the Palestinian people at this point, there's nothing else that we could point to or even talk about. And they explicitly endorse the murder of as many.
Jews as they can. And then those same people who are saying.
Look at Israel, Israel overreacts, or Israel is going too far, Israel's violating crimes of you know, they're saying they're committing war crimes, have nothing to say about Palestinians. Never, I mean, on October seventh, I don't know what else you could How could it be more evil than that? But this is the way that Hamas has been fighting all along. They just want to go and murder Jews and then say that they are a resistance organization. They're not a resistance organization that wants to negotiate. They just exist in this world where the more Jews that they can kill, the better. That is their only real mission. They've e miserated the Palestinian people. They're absolutely corrupt and God bless Netnyahu and the idea for hunting them down and killing as many of them as he possibly can who are involved in October seventh. That is just that is warfare conducted the way that it should be. And the fact that the Democrat Party has all this confusion on this issue, Clay, what kind of lack of moral clarity is possible where you could have on October seventh, Democrats, Kamala voters, let's be honest about it, marching in support of Hamas and Palestine or the Palestinians.
It's truly delusional, and that is the base of the Democrat Party right now, which is why Kamala Harris didn't pick I think he could die it in directly with the presidential election in a few weeks. Why Josh Shapiro is not the pick because people like Coats on the left in the Democrat Party would have lost their minds if they picked the Jewish guy after October seventh.
I think that's also a critical point, Clay, because if they lose this election, and they lose it because of Pennsylvania, it is the Democrat coddling of anti Semites that may have cost in the election. I will say poetic justice in that poetic it's.
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We're going to dive into the latest with the election, the walls manliness campaign.
We're men, We're manly men. You remember that, Clay, I remember that.
Yes, they should run with that, you know, they should all wear green tights and the waltz ads and just be like we're manly men and tights. There's a lot of that going on. So we shall address the what feel like panic moves of the Kamala campaign at this point to try to get some traction, get something something going, and so we're going to dive into that. I did want to just go into this though for a second, because I mentioned this. It's fascinating, Clay, because I've had a particular amount of exposure to Democrats this week. As you know, I'm going on the Bill Maher Show tonight at guys, check for me what time that airs? Actually, because I'm on West Coast time, I get confused. But it will be live tonight, so it will be Bill, Me and Laura Coates of CNN, and.
It'll be it'll be fun. It'll be fun.
You know.
I'm an invited guest, So of course I look forward to being cordial but having a robust exchange of ideas. But one of the things on the in the Democrat news cycle, if you will, is this Bob Woodward book, and there's stuff about Trump and how he like sent a COVID test to Putin and isn't that such a you know, early in the pandemic.
It is like.
But another thing is this whole belief that Trump and Putin are having these phone calls like this, this uh, you know, special romance, if you will, between Trump and Putin.
Meanwhile, the former.
Prime Minister of the UK, Boris Johnson, just came out and said this this was amazing play cut too.
Look, I happened to believe that when Donald Trump says that had he been president in twenty twenty two, there would have been no Russian invasion of Ukraine, My view is that that is a credible assersion.
I really do think that's credible.
Can I just say, Clay, I also agree, as does Trump and many people who voted for Trump. They try to pretend like we shouldn't notice that the war started on Biden's watch, not on Trump's watch, which if Trump was the little toady for Putin, wouldn't it have been the best time possible to invade when you know your guy is gonna They have created this fantasy about Trump and Russia and Trump Putin relations. And yet again, I mean, here we are. Think of how many lives if that is true, Think of how many lives would have been saved. Think of how much money would have been saved.
Well, not only that, in this Woodward book, Biden evidently blames Obama for Putin invading because he says the way that he responded to crimea let basically Putin know that there were no consequences for invasions.
And that is.
Entirely credible, by the way, and we could go into why, but that is entirely credible that Obama actually was the real invitation to the disaster.
And then that goes to what I've never heard anybody be able to explain if Trump is such a Manchurian candidate with Vladimir Putin and unwilling to stand up to him, why did Putin not invade when Trump was in office. Nobody has a good answer for that. I think the answer is because he was afraid of how Trump would respond. And ultimately, it is funny that in that Woodward book, Biden is just lacerating Obama for his weakness and not taking Putin seriously enough, which he says is the real reason why the invasion of Ukraine happened. I would point out that actually Biden's taking part of the wrong lesson there, which is Putin learned from Obama that Biden was also weak and knew Democrat would not do anything to actually forestall his invasion, and he wasn't afraid. And bad guys are motivated oftentimes by fear. They don't respond to moral arguments or any of these things that the Democrat Party wishes they did.
You know what a part of the masculine appeal of Trump and the whole Trump movement is versus what we're seeing with Kamala Harris.
They keep saying Trump coddles dictators.
If you tick off Trump, there is a very high likelihood that he will react in a ferocious and courageous manner. If you mess with Biden, you might interrupt naptime.
Hey, everyone can say this is the truth.
And with Kamala Harris you might get the most boring lecture and be assaulted with the most worthless platitudes of your entire life.
That stuff matters.
Actually, that goes into the calculations of things as powerful as war and peace.
What's okay, let's get into it. More of this.
Uh the walls masculinity tour, Oh gosh, roar so much masculinity like a lion.
