Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H2 - Dr. Art Laffer

Published Oct 5, 2024, 4:02 PM
Legendary economist Dr. Art Laffer, former Reagan economic adviser and bestselling author, makes the economic case for Trump over Harris and gives a master class in economics – even answering a shrewd question posed through Clay by his son. C&B take calls on the VP debate.

Our two Clay end Buck kicks off. Now let's jump right into it with an economic deep dive. Art Laugher joins us. Now, doctor Art Lafer, former Reagan economic advisor, a guy behind a Laugher curve makes sense and author, brilliant minds, all that good stuff, Doctor Laffer.

Appreciate you being with us.

My pleasure, my pleasure. Thank you for habbing me. By the way, I love your show.

Thank you well.

You have excellent taste in radio as well as being an economic piece. So tell us this, tell us this, sir, if you would, if we were to give a you know, not just the talking points obviously, that's why we have you on to give us the reality of it, right, the Biden Kamala economy of the last four years. If you were prepping, let's say, Trump to go into a debate and make the case about what it is, what has actually gone wrong, what has gone right? I mean, what is your scorecard for the US economy under the stewardship of Biden the last four years?

Well, you know, if I were Trump doing this, I would first place tell the story of what I did as Trump during my first term. And it's my opinion and as an economist, and I'm just talking about economics, and that's it is. It was the single best first term of any president in US history from the standpoint of economics. And the energy policy was terrific. As you know, we were energy independent because of decontrol because of his policies there, Biden and Harris went the exact opposite direction. Also. He also did an amazing job with Operation Warp Speed. I mean he developed a vaccine in ten months, little less than ten months. That was a phenomenal vaccine. By spending some money and by getting rid of all the red tape. People expected it would take six years or so, and it didn't. He did it in ten months. I mean amazing right to try, you know, the idea that if you've got a terminal disease, you can try any drug you'd like to do and not have to have FDA approval. I think that was phenomenal as well. One I think that was done in the debate with Vance and Waltz was that medical transparency, price transparency. The executive order. Trump did a phenomenal job on that. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act worked perfectly. I mean, it really did pay for itself in the first two years, and it brought the rates down me much more competitive, led to firm economic growth, and there were no delays, no mistakes made in that bill. The death tax was reduced quite substantially. All of that was done, the personal income tax drop from thirty nine six to thirty seven. There were a couple of pass throughs there. I mean, he did a superb job. And then you compare that with Biden, who raised tax rates, who did a lot of spending. You know, Trump did spending by the way, once the pandemic hit, which I don't think should have been done, at least a lot of it shouldn't have been. But Biden did it the whole time there and just wasted them money. And I think the operation of the Fed under Biden, under Powell and Biden's term led to very high inflation as well. So the way I take it is in almost every single area of economics, Trump far exceeds Biden, not only in volume but in direction. I think Trump did tax cuts, Biden did tax increases of government spending. Trump did tax spending cuts until the pandemic, and Biden did the increases right from the get go. I mean, look at defense again, the same thing there. The one thing I would really juxtapose where I where I Trump and Biden, where I Trump and Biden or Harris, is the role played by you know, by peace through strength, the sort of the old Reagan doctrine of peace through strength, where Trump really followed it precisely in Biden and Harris did just the opposite policy. They did war through war through weakness. And so that's where that's where I'd come out on the two teams. And Trump is just amazing on economics and on international politics.

Okay, I wanted to have you on, doctor Laffer, and I appreciate it. I've gotten to meet you a couple of times. You live in Nashville. I think you got one hundred and sixty three grandkids, which I'm glad to have your genes, because we need as much intelligence in economics as we can. But I want to dive in because you're so good at explaining this. You have advised or been involved with high level politicians for forty fifty years. I mean, like you said, going back to Reagan.

First, I was in nineteen seventy. I was in the White House at George Schultz's right hand person in nineteen seventy.

Okay, going all the way back to nineteen seventy, I look and hear Kamala Harris speak, and I think to myself, she is functionally it seems to me economically illiterate, at least with what she is saying publicly. She's talking about price controls on grocery stores. You know this, Grocery stores have one of the lowest level profits we've got in any industry out there.

She says that price.

Gouging is going on, and seems to be citing things like what would happen with Hurricane Helene. We have laws that are in place that you shouldn't be able to suddenly charge ten dollars a gallon for a milk or for a gallon of gas or whatever else because there's a natural disaster. She doesn't seem to understand what those price cap regulations are associated with. Since nineteen seventy, where does Kamala Harris rank to you from an economic policy perspective. Let's say there's just people out there making a decision. Hey, I just want the best economy out there, because I think a rising tide lifts all votes. That's what the president should do. That's what the federal government should do. Where does Kamala rank in your experience?

Well, I'm one hundred and six percent with you on the rising tide the Kennedy model. Is this the perfect model for this? To be honest with you, I mean, if you judge her by Biden, that she was complicit in all of the Biden policies, you know, she's a big spending liberal Democrat, clear and simple, and buying votes from other groups and causing the economy to weigh underperform. I mean, that would be the perfect example. Price controls is just something she naturally grabs to because she's been raised in government all of her life, so she thinks, if there's a problem, always go to government for a solution, and price controls. I don't think she's aware of all the problems we had with price controls under Nixon and they just didn't work. They caused all sorts of dislocations, and I don't think she understood. She's just trying to She's just trying to explain or trying to justify or trying to make excuses for why there was such high inflation under Biden. Harris, and that you get the Gougers et cetera, when in fact it was it was her economic policies and slowed economic growth. It was hers and Biden's economic monetary policies that increase the monetary base, the balanceship sheet of the Fed. I mean, what was it in two thousand and eight? I think the balance sheet was at eight fifty eight billion something like that, er fifty eight billion, and at its peak under by Harris it was at nine point three trillion. I mean, is it any wonder we had in high inflation under them? That was exactly what happened. And they also caused the economy to slow way way down, which further added to inflationary pressure. So this is what she's trying to do, and she's just trying to find excuses and see if something sticks by throwing it against the wall. I'm not sure how she'll behave once she's in office, though.

What do you think, doctor Laffer, Let's pretend that COVID doesn't happen Trump in February of twenty twenty, I think we had the strongest economy in the history of the United States, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic wages arising, inflation's one point four percent or whatever. The heck, it was two and a half percent mortgage rates. People have more money in their pocket if COVID doesn't happen. And we're having this conversation right now, how good do you think a second term? Because I think Trump would have won without COVID for sure, How good do you think a second Trump term would have been for the economy? And where do you think we'd be sitting right now?

Well, you know, I think everyone agrees with you that Trump would have won in a landslide and maybe get forty nine states. I think even Saturday Night Live conceded that time and time until the COVID hit, and the COVID became the perfect opportunity, opportunity for the Democrats to try to knock him down, and they succeeded, and that if it hadn't have occurred, I think we would have had the best presidency ever in US history. His first term was singularly the best in economics of any presidency in its first term period. And I really went through a bunch of them there with you. But there was a lot more in deregulation, ten deregulations for everyone, the Supreme Court that he appointed, and I'm not talking social issues now here, I'm talking just economics. They reigned back all the regulatory agencies to not be able to legislate through regulations through the regulatory agencies. I mean, how cool is that? I mean, all of this stuff. I think Trump, with the super he had with the Congress he would have had as well, could have done a job even better than Reagan did on the second term. And Reagan's second term was spectacular. I mean, Reagan cut the highest tax rate in his two terms from seventy percent to twenty eight percent. He raised the lowest rate from twelve and a half percent to fifteen. He went from eleven tax brackets to two tax brackets. He cut the corporate rate from forty six to thirty four. I mean he got rid of all those deductions, exemptions, exclusions, loopholes. I mean, we got a vote in the Senate for the bill for the eighty six Tax Act of ninety seven to three. We got all the Libs to vote with us because it was the right thing to do. I think Trump could have matched that easily and done an even better job than Reagan did if he had not had the pandemic and been elected. So I'm really very sad that he wasn't reelected. Without the pandemic, I mean, it would have been just a phenomenal period. We would have been we wouldn't have had any of these wars. Least, we wouldn't be in the Ukraine. We wouldn't have Houti rebels firing rockets at our ships or any of that stuff. It would have been pieced through strength, and the strength is in the economy as well as defense and strength.

We spiking an art Laffer and Art I'm sorry. I just wanted to say, if you could take take us for a look ahead. Let's say that the American people do the right thing and Donald Trump does win for more years. A lot of it will be the reinstituting of policies that you've been discussing that were so successful. But what would you add to that, or what would you say would be top of the economic agenda for Trump term two to really get things cooking again.

I really think price transparency, health transparency. You know, there is a huge you know, we've had a huge reduction in our life expectancy relative to the OECD over the last fifty plus years, and a huge increase in the cost of healthcare. Over that same time period again relative to the OECD. I mean, we have been suffer enormously because we don't have price transparency. You don't know what the prices are, you don't know what the qualities are. It's all hidden in insurance companies, policies, et cetera. And we need price transparency, which I think Trump should do. I think Trump will do it, and I think it will have an enormous impact. Remember, healthcare is something like twenty percent of GDP, and to have a non market economy as twenty percent of the GDP is just killing us. I mean literally and figuratively. That I think is the single most important thing to do.

We're talking to doctor Art Laffer. Last question for you at Actually, my sixteen year old who is a junior in high school right now, wanted me to ask you about this.

Uh oh.

He's fired up.

About the national debt and the concept he does debate and the concept of modern monetary theory and he wants to know. And I said, I'm talking to a super smart economist on the show. He knows who you are, he studied your work. I think he's going to major in economics when he gets older. He wants to know at what rate does our national debt become so crippling that no matter what political party you are are supporting, it becomes incredibly difficult to get the economy rolling because of the weight of that national debt.

I think we're miles and miles and miles away from that type of crux. If you look at debt, you should never compare it to GDP. You know, everyone says it's one hundred and twenty percent of GDP or whatever the numbers are. You should always compare debt to wealth or debt service to GDP. If you look at debt to wealth, you know it's too high, but it's not critical. Don't jump out the window. If you look at debt service to GDP, it's still too high, but we have plenty from to be able to grow our way out of this debt. And remember always that it's not debt that's the problem. Debt is a tool. It's the spread. If you use the spending to pay people not to work, that's killed your economy. If you use the spending to create jobs, output employment by cutting taxes and by increasing defenses we did under Reagan, it's the biggest boon to economic growth. You can imagine. So I would tell your son, you know, don't get overly worried about the debt. It's not a debt problem. We can grow out of this debt with good policies very easily, and which shouldn't be people shouldn't be on the edge of their chairs jumping out the windows. It's not the biggest problem. We need a low rate, broad based slat tax, spending restraints, sound money, minimal regulations, and free trade and this economy will take care of debt in minutes.

H w for our life, for appreciate you being with us, sir, my.

Pleasure, Thank you very much for having me, and say hell Lord to that child of yours.

I will for sure, sir, thank you.

I hope the answer was okay for him.

He'll love it. He's in class for now, but we'll play it for him.

Yeah, it's the deal.

Thank you, my friends.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show Man.

I love Art Laugher.

I wanted someone on who could directly talk about economic policy and if you are out there, and I think there are a ton of voters, It's why I think the economy is the number one issue that most people care about. I wish we could wave a magic wand Buck February of twenty twenty. And I think this is why so many people nostalgically like the Trump era, because they remember when the economy was rolling and everybody had more money in their pocket, White, Black, AEE, Asian, Hispanic. If COVID doesn't happen, I think the economy would have been absolutely roaring in November of twenty twenty, and there would not have been the same rig job opportunities with absentee ballots and all the other things. I think Trump would have rolled to a victory that would have been devastating to Democrats. And right now we would have a non incumbent election. Everything's different. I do think people want to do over and I think when you heard our laugher, they are running through all of the economic answers and policies that Trump put in place that were so incredibly successful. I think a lot of you believe, and I do as well, that if Trump gets back in office, he's basically going to get a do over that COVID took away from him.

Very likely, and I hope that that comes to pass. Also, want to take calls because we didn't get a chance to yet. Yeah, on your reactions to the debate last night, So we can do that. We don't have a guest here right, not up next to big no guests. Now we can take calls. Yes, let's take some calls. Eight hundred and two, ay, two to two? Light up those lines. Biggest takeaways from all of you on that debate last night. I think it's kind of universal that Jade Vance was very skillful up there and very effective. But if you think there were some other takeaways, I definitely want to hear what those were. And I suppose now it's is it official that Trump? I guess official isn't the right word. Are we certain that Trump is not going to debate again? He said he won't. Is that just no longer even under discussion? Or is it still up in the air. I think it's still with Trump. You know, he can change his mind at any point. I think what we're going to see is the polls are going to continue to move in Trump's direction, and I think they're going to say to him, in the same way that he's not doing this sixty minutes.

Interview, You're going to win. There's no point in doing any more debates. And the longer it goes, I mean, look, a lot of you are already gonna voted, So the impact of a debate, I would argue, at this point is negligible. I also think buck the reality is everybody's made up their mind. I don't think there's anything more people are going to hear that change the things.

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What's going on? Skuy, listen to us on k e X. What do you got up there?

Well, thank you for taking Paul. I was just telling the screener that I thought JD did a fantastic job last night. I had just two frustrations between when they bring up the energy independence I never hear the question asked them, why did you on day one stop the Keystone pipeline?

Why did you do that?

I don't see that rebuttle. And the second point is when they bring up the twenty twenty five project. I would love to have JD turn to Tim and say, Sern, we do not support that. Please quit bringing that up. That is not anything the President of right support and we want to make it very clear about that. And I don't hear that rebuttal from it. And last by so that's wells are just a few things I wish I would hear him say more often.

I hear Scott, those are pretty specific. I mean it's fine. I don't disagree with your assessment of how he could have responded those, but I wouldn't put those clay, Thank you, Scott. I wouldn't put those in the like swing in a miscategory. I mean, he's got's only so much he's going to be able to do up there. In response, I mean the Keystone pipeline thing, it's a very solid argument. It's been a while. I don't think people pay as much attention to it, not to say that it's not right and it wouldn't have been good. I'm just saying it's not like some of the other moments where I'm like, you know, when here's what we didn't get to. When one of the anchors like, can you explain to us, like why millions of migrants affects housing prices? Supply and demand? Why do millions of people come into the country need play to live?

What does this do to price? That was yeah, well back it was like JD Vance.

I think I tweeted then that it was uncomfortable how dumb the moderators were compared to him. I mean, because on the one hand, I to your point, I just wanted him to say, Okay, are you familiar with the concept of supply and demand? When there is more demand than there is supply, the most basic rule of economics is prices go up when we have And I thought he said, and he did a good job, twenty five million. I think he said at one point illegals in the country. The other thing, and we haven't mentioned this buck, but I do think it's important we mentioned how they talked about Hurricane Helene in the context of climate change. They also talked about illegal immigration in the context of taking kids away from their parents. The way that they even asked that question presupposed and I thought jd. Vance did a job with it, but it presupposed that deporting illegals was inhumane because they folks, they didn't say, hey, there's over four hundred thousand illegal criminals that have entered this country. There are sixteen thousand rapists, thirteen thousand murderers. Jad Vans actually did a good job and said, well, I think we should start with the criminals. He did a good job pivoting there, but it was will you tear apart families from their children. He then pointed out that they are somewhere around three hundred thousand children that we don't even know where they are. Hopefully they're with their families, but they are lost as a process of coming across the border. But it's a good example of again a rigged question that was set up to try to make him look bad, whereas most of the Tim Walls questions were like Senator, I mean, I mean, Governor, you've done an amazing job in Minnesota. Could you please explain why you're so good on healthcare? You know, also, in many ways.

I very obvious that the CBS anchors they're not worried about family separation. And it comes to American citizens prosecutor for non violent crimes for being obstructing a government proceeding on January sixth and being held in solitary confinement, that's family separation. Yeah, solitary confinement separates families. Over a thousand Americans treated like al Qaeda terrorists because in a vast majority of the cases they walked into a government building during a riot and left, and you know, those families are separated and those lives are destroyed, no concern whatsoever from the CP And in fact, they cheered that on.

They want more of that.

They would like you and me, Clay to be separated from our families by being thrown into prison for wrong think.

Yeah.

Also I would build on what you just said, separation of families. JD didn't do it, but a good pivot there as well. I thought he pivoted pretty well and talked about criminals and how they were going to be the first to be deported. Also building on what you said. But it's even worse than that. We're separating families because illegals are murdering innocent people, or family relationships are being ended forever or permanent separatory.

Yeah.

Yes, and that's what we should be concerned about, is protecting American citizens, not concerned with non citizens feelings. If I have to rank in the priority, that's the way that I would analyze it. But I thought it was all yblematic of the unfair questioning that that's the angle they did it through.

You have to people have to have some there's some punishment or else a law means nothing right. And so you can't tell you're not gonna make money from these individuals were crossing illegally because they generally don't have any if you don't detain, if you don't put them through some kind of ilegal process. But what this is what we have a wide open border because why not.

Just show up? Just show up, you'll get to stay, and then you go.

To these sanctuary jurisdictions and they will give you resources that are taken from Americans with the threat of imprisonment. By the way, because that's what taxes are. They'll take your home if you don't pay your taxes. They'll take your freedom if you don't pay your income taxes, but that money also then goes into the two of billions and billions of dollars of people who, under our own legal statutes are not allowed to be here. And we're supposed to be okay with the situation. You know, they'll they'll lock you up for not paying your taxes. But you better be willing to give free everything to all these illegals who show up because they say so. You know, the law is not the law with them. That much is obvious.

Dan, and Long Island. What's going on?

Dan? Well, at a touch base, I listened to you guys all the time, love the show. Thanks you though that you normally tell us all the time, Clay, that you read the time so that we don't have to.

Read it every morning.

Today, Yeah, today, for the first time I actually perused through it. I was looking for info on the debate and there was nothing to be found. I know the debate was late, but it seemed to be in other papers and the only blurb was in the front, bottom quarter and he said you could find me on the website.

And I just took that as a a signal that they really knew that they got them bucks kicked.

Last night and they really had nothing good to say, so they didn't want to say anything.

Well, thanks for calling in, Dan, and yeah, I read the New York Times and the Washington Post every morning, so none of you have to unless you want to. I will say that one thing I have noticed, Buck, is most newspapers have.

Crept even earlier and earlier.

They're so called print deadline, so that it used to be when I was a kid, I was really upset because the West Coast sports scores would not be in the morning newspapers. So if you had a favorite team, and my favorite team as a kid was Cincinnati Reds and they're playing let's say the Badgers, you wouldn't get that score because the print paper deadline. Now, it seems like the New York Times prints at like four o'clock in the afternoon. I mean, so they have almost nothing relating unless it happened really early in the day. They're like a day behind in the print publication. For us old people out there who still read the print, that's why you have to go online. So I'm not trying to defend them, but I do think that's the function of the paper deadline.

We do have a lot of communist ground covered for our audience. Between you reading the New York Times every day and me watching Morning Joe as I drink my crock at coffee in the morning, we we know what they're putting out there, what Pravda is is trying to force feed the Democratic.

Well, when I got over to your house and we were in Miami last week, I walked in and there's Joe Scarborough staring right back at him from your big screen television.

In your living room.

I mean, you're you're not you are you are behind the enemy lines every day, Dave by the way, Springfield, Springfield, Yeah.

Hey, clam Buck, Hey, I was just calling in. I just wanted to say that, Uh, you know, I've been a lifelong Democrat and I voted Democrat every presidential election pretty much. And I thought that Advance won the debate last night, and I was pretty annoyed by the media a media a media media coverage of Walls winning. And I just want to say I've been I listened to Rush Limba, I've been listening to you guys, and I've become a conservative. And I live in Massachusetts, so I don't think my vote really matters that much.

But David. So, first of all, let me ask you this question.

Thank you for listening, and we like to think that this can happen, right if you listen to arguments that over time you can start and say, hey, you know what, I think that argument's better than the other argument. I've been willing to be persuaded that I voted incorrectly in the past. I've an open mind. I think I wish more voters did. And I understand you're in Massachusetts, which is a Democrat stronghold, but you can still be very impactful local elections everything else. How did you vote in twenty twenty, I'm just kind of curious.

Oh, I voted for Biden. I actually ran for the Democratic State Committee and was elected. So I was on the Democratic State Committee.

And so what is there any one issue that has pushed you to being willing to vote Republican over the last four years? Because I do think while you feel like you're not, you know, represented necessarily or not that common, I actually think there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people listening to us right now across the country that have had a similar political trajectory to you. So I'm just kind of curious, what if there was any one or two things that finally pushed you to a different direction.

Well, I when I went to the University of Massachusetts, I just noticed there was so much government waste. I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to just wasteful bureaucracy things that aren't helping the average citizens of Massachusetts or the country. Immigration is a huge issue. I think it's completely out of control, and I completely agree with Trump on immigration. But you know, if Vance was the candidate, I would be voting for Vance one hundred percent. Despite his inexperience. I thought he was great last night, and I see a future of respectful debate and a positive conservatism that is going to be better for this country than a road to communism.

Yeah, well, thank you for I appreciate you appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say I appreciate him calling in. Uh And you know, look, I know what it's like. Davi is in the middle Massachusetts, which I think is the most Democrat state in the entire country by by red political registration, the blue the bluest I think it is. It is a little bluer than California. Uh, but that doesn't mean that you don't have a role to play as well by trying to make the Democrats more sane around you, and trying to also provide some camaraderie to the other conservatives there. I mean in New York City, I was outnumbered something like eight to one. But you know Fox News is in New York City. iHeart has you know Russia Studio, Shawn Studio. I mean in New York City, So, uh, you know there there are conservatives even in the bluest of places, and they have a role playing all this as well.

We have Owen in Surprise, Arizona Surprise.

Make sure taking my call, guys, I really appreciate it. First off, I want to say Arizona's going red this year. They're not sticking with blue. I'm telling you right now. I work outside. I work in all retirement communities. I see these polls out there saying that you know, Kamala is winning with seniors. Trust me, she's not winning with seniors. Trust nothing but Trumps signs everywhere. She's not winning. Anyways, the debate last night, I thought it was great. Vance he I haven't really seen him speak that much, but wow, he's a smart guy. I think he's going to be president one day. I really do. Me and him are about the same age, so it was kind of It's kind of inspiring to see someone from my generation get up there and put on a good show. I mean, I thought he dominated. I thought the moderators were absolutely horrible. I thought Walts was nervous and bug eyed, And I will say that I do respect the I want to say I respect Walt's when it comes to the unity that was on display. You know, they shook hands, they agreed to disagree at times. It was kind of nice. I feel like the country really needs more of that, Like we need to have discussions without beating the crap out of each other. We can agree to disagree. We should get back to that. As far as the bias in the for the moderators, I have an easy solution. Have Rachel Mannow host one debate and have Sean Hannity post another. I think it's pretty simple. The country's aware of it. Everyone knows that the media is biased, so I think that would solve everything. But in reality, we know that's.

Not going to happen. Thanks for the call.

I actually think Buck my solution has been the Republican gets to pick the questioner of the Democratmocrat gets to pick the questioner of the Republican.

Right, well, have you could also ratchet it up or ratchet it down, depending on you know, respect would be met with respect and ambush would be met with ambush. I mean last night CBS, no honest person could watch what was going on there and not say, yeah, these anchors are trying to help Walls. It's very you know, we do this for a living. Like I know, within the first twenty seconds of a host questioning any guest, does this host like the person? Are they letting them speak to the Are they gonna let them speak or is this an ambush?

You know right away?

Yes, you definitely do. We'll come back in a sec. We appreciate all the calls out there. I do think we're getting a lot of responses from people who liked the civility. Even if they disagreed with Walls, they respected the fact that it was a disagreement. It wasn't like, oh my goodness, you're hitler, which is what they have done to Trump for a long time. And in fact, some on the left were unhappy with Tim Walls because they said he wasn't aggressive enough in prosecuting the case, and he was too middle of the road and likable in some ways for the left. Being a LifeLock member means you're already aware of how often and easy it is for your online identity to be stolen by a cyber thief. LifeLock offers the single best online identity theft protection out there. There is no company more committed to your cybersecurity than LifeLock, the leaders in online identity theft protection. The serious kind of crime too many people have fallen victim already happens when cyber hackers hack into a company or institution and steal their sensitive info. Data breaches happen all the time, and you want to protect yourself with LifeLock. LifeLock will alert you to when there's been a compromise of your information. You get an immediate call or text, and if you're a victim of identity theft, LifeLock will provide you with an expert support. Their million dollar protection package reimburses you for damages caused by data breaches. Start protecting your identity today with a thirty day free trial at LifeLock dot com. Using my name Clay. That's Clay as the promo code terms apply LifeLock dot Com code Clay.

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We come back. We'll take some more of your calls. We'll continue to react to Tim Walls versus JD Vance last night's VP debate. I got an argument for you. I saw an emailer out there already asking me, how do you think the optics and the cosmetics. Nothing from the arguments itself, just how the guys looked is going to play out going forward with independent voters. That's part one, Part two. If you are in Michigan, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania where it feels like this race is going to be decided, you had two Midwestern guys, Tim Walls, JD Vans. Who do you think more reflected what the Midwest is like and what that appeal might look like.

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