Hour 1 - Thank You, Elon Musk

Published Mar 28, 2025, 7:25 PM

In hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, the guys dive into a packed agenda, starting with the critical Wisconsin State Supreme Court race. They discuss the implications of the election with nominee Judge Brad Shimel, emphasizing the potential impact on congressional redistricting and the slim Republican majority in the House. The hosts also highlight the importance of holding the line in Florida's 6th district, with a special mention of an upcoming interview with the contender for that seat. The hour continues with a lively discussion on the latest interview by Brett Baier with Elon Musk, focusing on Musk's efforts to reduce government waste and fraud through his DOGE initiative. The conversation touches on the staggering amounts of waste uncovered and the broader implications for government efficiency. Clay and Buck also reflect on the motivations behind Musk's and Trump's efforts to improve the country for future generations. DOGE engineer on the reality of Social Security fearmongering and fraud. The DMV. The Ukraine War. DOGE staffer Steve Davis with the receipts. Buck's schoolmate was on the panel with Elon talking with Bret Beier.

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Welcome everybody.

Friday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show kicks off now and we are fired up this Friday. We've got a lot going on. Give you a little bit of a roadmap. We've got the Wisconsin State Supreme Court nominee Brad Schimmel joining us in the second hour. It's a big deal up in Wisconsin because if the left winds control of the state Supreme Court there, they're going to redraw congressional maps. We're going to lose a couple of congressional seats, and as you know, we've only got a three seat majority right now, so it is a big deal that we hold the line in Wisconsin. Also got to hold the line in Florida's sixth where Mike Watz gave up his seat. We're going to have on that contender on Monday. Try to get the word out, and that really is all of you. All we can do is blast this out across the country onto our five hundred and fifty wonderful affiliate stations, as one does.

Clay was great.

I walked out of the gym this morning and this guy without even breaking stride because I was hustling to get back to the studio and he's going by me and he just puts his hand up for high five. He goes, I love clam black Man, awesome, keep going like he knew I was on the way. So I got a high five here in South Florida. I love it down here. Florida, you are beautiful. Is a great place. And it's all hands on deck in Florida six. To make sure we don't give up that seat. We've also got Kirk Cameron joining. We'll talk to him about entertainment, Disney Wokeness going into a particularly rough period here, which is fantastic. And Steve Hilton, buddy of ours on his new book on the collapse of California. So we're stacked. We got a ton. I don't even mentioned this one yet though, the deep dive that Brett Baar did last night on Fox News. We'll get into this right away because you need to know what's going on. There's some very important insights, but also additional details about what the plan is here, right so what have they found? But also how long is Elon going to be doing this? What are the next steps for this? So let's dive into some of this. So Brett sat down last night with Elon and a bunch of the senior Doge team and they talked about a whole range of things. Let's go to cut two here, I mean, Brett asked him straight up, what is the most astonishing stuff that you have found as you are looking for waste, fraud and abuse in the government?

Cut too?

What's the most astonishing thing you've found out in this process?

The sheer amount of waste importing the government, it is astonishing.

It's mind blowing.

Just we were teely encounter wastes of a billion dollars or more casually, you know, for example, like the simple survey that was literally ten questions survey that you could do with survey monkey quashed about ten thousand dollars. Was the Goverment was being charged almost a billion dollars for that for just the serve a billion dollars for a simple online survey do you like the National Park? And then there've phitts me no feedback loop for what would be done with that survey.

So let's soy, we're just going to nothing.

So much waste to play. I really think that we are not giving Elon Musk enough credit for what he has decided to do here. Producer Ali was talking about it off the show earlier. But you're about to have a baby, you and your wife, Carrie. I've got three boys at some point in time. And I know a lot of you think of us as whipper snappers because you're in your sixties or seventies and you're listening to us. But I know that you have been through that evolution, and some of you are younger than us, and you're not going to have seen this worldview yet. But at some point in time, whatever success or failure you might have in your personal life, whatever trials and tribulations you might have personally, you start to recognize. And this is certainly going to be ironic for two guys who gets sit in front of a microphone and talk about our lives and our experiences every day, but you start to recognize that you're not the centrality of the world. People have this recognition at different points, and that in some way, your job, I like to think, and I think many of you have had this recognition realization is to try and make things better for the people who are younger than you, that are coming along behind you, your kids, your grandkids. I think when I see Elon and certainly when I see Trump, who doesn't need all of this at seventy eight years old, a time when most, frankly seventy eight year olds are just kicking back and relaxing as best they can in retirement. The only reason that they're doing what they're doing is because they are trying to fix what they see as being broken. And here's the reality. They're not going to live to see the full fruition of the changes that they may come into reality. They're doing it because they want to set the table for the next generation in a much better place. And I couldn't stop thinking about that, Buck as I watched the Doge interview. Credit to Brett Bayer for sitting down and doing this interview. I don't believe it's possible. Buck. If you got ninety five percent of Americans to sit and watch that whole interview, I think it would be hard for almost everyone who watches that interview not to say thank you. You guys are doing things that are not particularly partisan in nature. You're just trying to spend all of our money, all of our taxpayer money, in the most expeditious, sufficient manner possible.

Imagine for a second that the Treasury was on fire. I mean it was just it had caught fire, and all of our dollars so to speak as a nation, were contained in that building, and someone came along and they were trying to put.

Out the fire. Wouldn't you just say thank you for doing this?

Noe.

What democrats do is they say, you're wasting too much water? Why are you focusing on this area? Why all they do is complain, you know why, because they actually don't want him to succeed. Elon got into this. This is cut seven, Clay. We've been making this point here all along, which is they never tell you what the problem is, right. They always either lie about something that's not happening, or they just say, in general, this is unconstitutional, unconstitutional, you want this to continue to happen?

Play seven.

Usually when they attack those, they never attack any of the specifics. So they'll say what we're doing is somehow unconstitutional.

Or legal or whatever.

We're like, well, which line of the cost savings do you disagree with? And they can't point to any And we list them all on those stuck up and that those hand LINEX, and you'll see just outrageous things. One outrageous thing after another.

Clay.

They are exposing themselves, the Democrats, all the time, because they don't want this stuff to happen. They benefit, they their friends, and there are ideology benefits from this waste. With all these NGOs and all this nonsense that's been going on a lot of these government contractors. It is the great self looking ice cream cone. And they have completely exposed themselves here. It's like, what, remember, I asked Senator Rampaul this yesterday, is there a single Senate Democrat who actually wants to cut spending? He said no, flatly, No. They want to take us over the cliff. They do not want this to stop. They do not want the fraud to stop, they do not want the debt to get under control. They're just putting us on a highway to destruction.

Yeah, and I think we should play a bunch of these cuts again. I give credit to Brett Bayer. I talked about Elon giving back to the government. He didn't need this. He's already got Tesla, he's already got SpaceX, he's already got XAI, he's already got x boring Company. He's got like five different companies that he's running full time. But he says he's got about one hundred and thirty days through the end of May, and then their goal is to have reduced that deficit by one trillion dollars. He says they're on pace to do that. Here's cut eight.

You technically are a special government employee and you're supposed to be one hundred and thirty days. Are you going to continue past that or do you think that's what you're going to do?

Or well, I think we will accomplish most of the work required to reduce the deficit by trillion dollars within that timeframe.

So in that timeframe one hundred and thirty days, and the process is a report at some point at one hundred days.

Or not really a report. We are cutting the waste and pot in real time.

So every day that passes, our goal is to reduce the waste and FRAWD by four billion dollars a day, every day, seven days a week, and so far we are succeeding.

Let me also play this buck because you probably are getting some of this. There's a lot of fear mongering going on out there, and I understand a lot of you rely on Social Security. If you are past retirement age over sixty and you're listening to us right now. There is a great deal of fraud. People try to take advantage of elderly citizens, as you well know, they try to take advantage of everybody. The number of times that I bet, no matter how old you are, something pops up on your phone. It's a text message, it's an email, and somebody's basically on a phishing expedition to try to get your personal private information. It's hard to know what's real and what's not. They said that one of the things they've discovered is people who are Social Security recipients will get more, not less money because of DOGE. And also there is just so much dishonesty out there. Let's listen to Cut five first. This is almost half of all phone calls every day to Social Security are from people who are committing fraud, he says, trying to get information flipped so they can start to steal your social Security Cut five.

The two improvements that we're trying to make to Social Security are helping people that legitimately get benefits, protect them from fraud that they experience every day on a routine basis, and also make the experience better and I'll give you one example is at Social Security. One of the first things we learned is that they get phone calls every day of people trying to change direct depositive information. So when you want to change your bank account, you can call Social Security. We learned forty percent of the phone calls that they get are from fraud stars.

That's right, I almost have that's staggering buck and it makes sense, right because they want to get your deposit check direct to their bank accounts and steal your money. And this is why I want to just play this again because I do think it's important. Cut three Musk says we're actually protecting Social Security. Don't listen to the fear mongering.

How do you reassure people that what you all are doing is not going to affect their benefits.

Now, in fact, what we're doing will help with their benefits.

Legitimate people, as a result of the work of Page well receive more Social Security, not less. When emphasize that as a result of the work appage, legitimate recipients of Social Security will receive more money, not less money. All right, we'll size that point and let the record show that I said this, and it will be proven out.

To be true.

That's let's check back on this tip in the future.

I just buck when I kept watching this, the amount of waste and fraud and just general incompetence. If you are a business owner, if you're a small business owner, and you've ever had to make payroll, you've ever had to run the books to make sure that your business is working. Our government's never done it, basically for generations. And there are a lot of people that profit off of an ossified broken federal government that are lining up to try to stop the government from being more efficient.

First of all, I love the use of ossified there. Second of all, I think there's a lot of embarrassment and jealousy among some in the Democrat camp that this is something that they said they wanted to take on wouldn't take on. And more and more people are seeing that it is only Republicans who are serious about this. Again, to the Rand paupoint yesterday, Now a single Senate Democrat wants to cut any spending whatsoever, not a single dollar. And they've been lying about this, just like they lie about border security. They've been lying about this for a long time. And now the American people, anybody who is being honest and has their eyes open can see this. I think that there is a sense among it. I've started to see some saying it. You know, Ezra Kline has popped up to start to say this, and you're starting to see the beginnings of Democrats saying, hey, you know, maybe the fact that we spent forty billion dollars on on creating more broadband access and we didn't create a single a single person getting broadband, maybe that's not great.

Did you see John Stewart reacting to all the hoops that you have to jump through? I mean, I just I I watched this and it just infuriates me as someone that is spending a lot of the money that I would otherwise like to have going in and just being completely wasted.

Well, what you're seeing is that the Democrats in the public mind increasingly with every passing day, with more truth coming out. The Democrats are the party of the bad old DMV, where it's a good analoge accountability. Yeah, you're just suffering. There's waste, nobody cares, there's no accountability, nothing changes. You can't, you know, just take it, Just sit there and take it, because you have to. We all hate that right, I'm gonna say, do honest with the Florida DMV not bad. They've actually made it. The DMV experience here Pretty Tennessee's gotten way better too. Yeah yeah, But I remember my first driver's license experience in New York City. You know, I was like sixteen, way back in the day, you know, or in the nineties, Clay, it was like visiting a penal. Okay, nobody cared, nothing moved fast. Everything was a mess, Everything was unnecessary. You're there for like three hours. I mean, the whole thing was a nightmare. The Democrats are the party of that when it comes to the federal government. That's who they are now, and they're gonna have to wear that, you know, they're gonna have to deal with that for for a long time. So we'll get into more of this and just more of the doged conversation. I mean, this is about saving the government and saving the country with it. So I think it's a pretty big deal. We'll get into that and stay with us. I'm sure of at least three things right now. The First, President Trump is doing great things for the country. The second, my bracket is gonna look better than Clay's come Sunday night. And third, you said that's a little shade. Little shade, You could save a lot of money by switching your cell phone service to pure Talk my cell phone carrier. If you're with Verizon AT and T or T Mobile, make the switch and immediately save fifty dollars or more every month. Pure Talk only charges twenty five bucks a month for unlimited talk, text and five gig of data on America's most dependable five G network or this data point. The average sized family of four saves more than one thousand dollars a year when they switch to Puretalk. And with Puretalk's US customer service team, you can switch hassle free in as little as ten minutes. You can even keep your phone and your number. Using your cell phone dial pound two fifty save the keywords Clay and Buck to make the switch and you'll save it additional fifty percent off your first month again. Dial pound two five zero say Clay and Buck to start saving today. Puretalk Wireless, Buy Americans for.

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Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Pull over one hundred and twenty years old receiving social security. Nobody did anything about it. Cut for the.

Amount of issues that worthy social security system are enormous. As an example, they're over fifteen million people that are over the age of one hundred and twenty that are marked as alive in a social.

Security system, and that's an accurate figure. Interactive Team correct.

This has been something that's been identified as a problem again pre existing problems since two thousand and eight, at least from an IG report. So there were some great people working at Social curity administration. It's Social Security aministration that found this two thousand and eight, and nothing was done. And so fifteen to twenty million socialcurity numbers that were clearly fraudulent were floating around that can be used only for bad intentions.

There'd be no way to use us for good intentions.

And so one of the things that Dose Team is doing is carefully and very methodically looking at those and making sure that any fraudulent ones are eliminated.

I don't know the answer on this book, but obviously a lot of people die receiving social security. How often do you think those checks continue after death? Potentially for substantial periods of time. I mean, I it seems like it's harder to turn it off than it would be to turn it on right once the process is going, it doesn't seem like it's very likely to be quick that suddenly you stop getting the checks.

No, and when you see all of this together, it's very clear that the ethos of those who handle the government's money. Within the government is who cares right, not ours. Nobody cares as their jobs right, nobody's there's no account The lack of accountability within the bureaucracy is maddening and destructive. And it's time that this, this is looked at. This is truly this should be truly a nonpartisan thing. But you know it's not nonpartisan for a couple of reasons. We've a few reasons, Clay, We've talked about. One is they hate Trump, the haitilon can't let them have the win. But also the Democrats have become truly the party the ideology and the entity of a bloated, crushing federal bureaucracy. They all vote Democrat.

They like this, and also they have no idea now as a already of basic business. We've talked about this quite a lot. It used to be the case that there were a lot of very successful Democrat businessmen. Not so much anymore. Last week Buck, you know, he couldn't catch me. He's one behind in the NCAA tournament. And right now I'm planning on surging even further ahead. We've got a bunch of games this weekend to decide which of us will come out ahead. First four went off yesterday, four more today, and then we will cut down to the final four with a couple of games on Saturday and a couple of games on Sunday. And right now you can get hooked up with Prize Picks. You can go more or less on projections for every player. And oh, by the way, Major League Baseball also started again yesterday. I know many of you are massive baseball fans. You can play Baseball Prize Picks as well, every single day right now. You get fifty dollars instantly after you use code Clay and play a five dollars lineup. You can play in Georgia, you can play in California, you can play in so many states out there. If you're filling left out Texas price picks dot Com. My name Clay for fifty bucks price picks dot Com. My name Clay, Welcome back in.

We are breaking down the key moments from the excellent interview that Brett Bayrow Fox News did with Elon Musk and his DOGE team last night. I watched the entire thing, actually watched back a bunch of parts of it again. I thought it was so important. The two biggest things that Trump is doing tackling from the very beginning of his administration border and illegal aliens and then spending DOGE waste fraud abuse. Those are the two areas practice areas, if you will, that are absolutely essential, and they have gone after this. We are so just a quick word here, Clay, I completely agree with you, and we've been saying this for weeks. We need the smartest people in this country to tackle the biggest problem the country faces. Yes, we can have everybody who's a billionaire, you know, self made and some kind of a managerial or organizational genius.

Go.

You know, I just in the country is going to figure it out. You know, I'll stash some money overseas, maybe I'll buy.

Some land in New Zealand.

No, yeah, we need people who are brilliant, just step up and to fix things, and now that means some degree of personal sacrifice. But a lot of you listening like, yeah, bud he I, did you know three combat tours in Iraq and two in Afghanistan? Like, that's sacrifice, right, I'm talking about from your perspective, obviously not from mine, but you know that's sacrifices that a lot of you have made, or you know from your own bio. Whereas Elon taking a few months. Yeah, he's got companies, he's got a lot of people working for him and all the rest of it.

But you know, he's not storming the beaches of Normandy.

Is my point.

Like, this is something that he could do and is enormously helpful to the government, and I don't think it's too much. I'm very grateful to him, but I'm saying I don't think it's too much to ask others who have multi, multi generational wealth that they have accrued in this country who can fix problems and help to do so when they can.

I hope that this is a trend.

If you have a super talent, then I would hope that at some point in time you might be willing to share that talent on behalf of the American public. And Elon Musk has a super talent in business efficiency, prodigious energy, he said in one interview I saw I think our friend Ted Cruz, he said, he sleeps six hours a night and basically works, you know, the other eighteen hours. And right now he's committed basically sleeping in the office of DOGE seven days a week working to try to make the government more efficient. And there's been a cost for him. He's been ripped to shreds. His company has been attacked on a level frankly that I've never seen a company attacked based on the choices made by a CEO in his private life.

Well, I think, Clay, it's very clear that anybody who is burning a Tesla because they don't like what Elon is doing wants the country to burn. They do not have the most fundamental interest of America as a nation in their minds at all. They are spiteful, they are hateful. And the fact that the Democrats aren't far more uh, hey, guys, knock that crap off tells you a lot about them too. You know, there's there's a sense of, yeah, Elon The's ability, the fact they go along with this trash elon thing. We talked about the climate change aspect of it two, which means they're not serious about that. They don't really care. They just like the virtue signal. Speaking of virtue signaling, this is a this is something else that came up here. Some of you have disagreed with us a little bit on and that's fine. There's only some of you, but you're allowed to disagree with us. We appreciate that, you know.

I have.

We have heated debates in my family. I'm sure Clay sometimes, what did your boys call you because you weren't good at technology?

Is the funniest what's the term?

Is so funny? And unkunk? They called me an unk, like an old uncle in the house that doesn't know how to do anything. Yeah, So that before we get into the serious talk here about Ukraine. I I know I'm getting older, all right. It didn't used to be this complicated to turn the television on, all right, like back in the day for me, I just I don't know why there needs to be eight different remotes and six different inputs and like HDMI one two, four, eight, fourteen, Like I just want to sit down and put the damn game on. And I every time I sit down in front of one of the family televisions, now I don't know it's connected to you know, some Wi Fi thing, video games, like all different sorts of streaming devices. It feels like we're going backwards in all technology. And this is the old manomy. I think I said this on the show the other day. My wife actually is signing off a little bit, even though she's the it guy of the family. No car is better than when it just had the blue for cold and the red for warm. Right, the heater and the air conditioning.

We do need to get back to idiot proofing a lot of our day to day lives.

Right.

The one of the greatest things that happened in the world of computers was you had to We went from because I remember this DAS Systems and it was you know, backslash and percent coal in yeah, you know, TRT.

Backslash. You know, m am back.

You're like, what is this? This makes no sense, Like I don't understand. And then it was like, oh, here's a folder, move the thing on the screen like it became tactile and visual and so anybody could do it. There's a lot of that that we do need to restore. I mean, I think and my car is way too complicated. I'm probably way too complixing and it's not.

But it's one thing if the complications make things more efficient. But it's harder for me now to turn on the air conditioning and the and the heat in my car than it was in nineteen eighty three. So when I was four, I knew how to turn the heat or the air on in every car that I got into, basically, And if it wasn't the knob, do you remember, it had like the thing that you would slide, like the slide scale or whatever. We're making things more complicated and not better, and that seems like it should be the opposite of technology. Tell your boys, we might have to start a segment two grumpy unks. You know, we just sit here and just complain because I'm no better than you are this. I'm probably worse with technology I have. I'm not gonna lie. You have the same thing of your righte. I like Carrie.

When Carrie wants to drive, she's a great driver, I'm like, let her drive. Which she wants to fix the TV, I'm like fixing the TV.

L our Travis is not driving anywhere if I have the choice. Well, that is part of driving.

Now.

I want to get there.

I need to see.

I want to be in the car with both of you and like do a switch out to see really what we're dealing with.

You.

I drive aggressively, as as you and others have have discovered. But uh, yeah, I.

Can see you one like you if you let Clay give you a ride to the airport. You're just sort of chatting. You're talking about fun stuff. You know, Clay's very entertaining fellow. And then you just see on the spin on and you're like, is that one hundred and fifteen?

Is that what's going on? Because I think that's not the speed limit, Clay.

I I will say, in my wife's defense, she is small. She's five two five three. I never really thought about this. Lots of smaller women who drive like SUVs because they have the kids in the car and stuff like that. Like they can't actually see. Oh I'm told this is true. They can't actually see over the hood very well. She can't park, like she can't like you ever like put a couple of.

Phone books on the seat for her or something, or what do you do?

I mean, she does. She has a couple of pillows to try to elevate her so that she can see over the front of like the suv that she drives. And I'm not kidding, like she uses I don't know, do you trust. I don't really trust the cameras, you know that tell you like, hey, are you going to be safe? You can back up? You know, every car now has like a super convoluted camera system, so when you pull into a parking lot and everything else, I don't really trust those things because it feels to me like they beep when you are in no danger whatsoever. You know, they be way too early. You're like six feet away from something, and it's like bab baby baby, and then there's actually someone behind you, and it doesn't do anything Like I feel like much of it is flawed, so I don't really trust it. She uses the system a little bit otherwise, buck Like she tries to pull into a Chick fil A parking lot and she takes like eight spots. I mean, she cannot see the lines to be able to correctly park. And she says it's because the car's too big and she can't see over the hood. I've never had this problem all right, onkare you ready to talk to Ukraine war now? Okay, just making sure so.

In the Bretbear Elon Musk interview, Elon was was passionate on this, and I was I was setting this up before and pointing out that you know, some of you have been telling us you don't understand Russia's the AGGRESSI no, we understand Russia's the aggressor. Well, there's nothing about that that we don't understand. We understand Russia's the bad guy. We understand that Putin is is a you know, Machiavellian in the worst sense.

Uh.

Probably, you know, he's a malignant narcissist. I mean, there's a lot of bad stuff you could say about him. He's an authoritarian, et cetera, et cetera. All true, We get that. Okay, there's no and yet we want the war to end. And the people that pretend like they have a better idea than ending the war never have an answer for what do they want to do? They wanted to keep fighting. Here's what Elon says about this mentality you said it about specifically Senator Mark Kelly, who talks a big game play it.

They will be a negotiated peace.

And the thing that we should be concerned about is we should have empathy for the thousands of people that are dying every day in trenches for no movement in the lines. So the borders remained the same for the past two years. Thousands of people have died every week for nothing, for what. And I take great offense at those who those who put the appearance of goodness over the reality of it. Those who virtue signal and say, oh, we can't give into Russia, but have no solution to stopping thousands of kids dying every day. They just want that to continue forever. Have contempt with such people. I don't want to make that clear. Yeah, so you're fantastic because that Buchet signaling and their lack of a solution means that kids don't have a father.

It means that parents lost a son for what. Nothing.

I think that's really well said, and I think it goes to the morality that's actually embedded in this argument. You and I talked about this on the show when everybody was suddenly angry at jd Vance and Donald Trump for how the meeting in the Oval Office went with Zelenski. I still have yet to see anyone argue to me that Ukraine can win this war. And if they can't, then why are these people dying?

You know?

I was trying to think of good things to watch lately because we've been talking and we've been trashing Snow White, which everybody is. It's like the worst movie on IMDb ever now rated. It's getting completely destroyed. It deserves it.

McLay.

I watched Surviving Blackhawk Down the last few days, which is somebody who read the Mark R. Boden book and then saw the movie. And I've probably seen that movie fifty times, and every Special Forces and every Special Operations guy I know says that's the most realistic war movie for that era they've ever seen. Really interesting context from the Surviving black Hawk Down. Sorry, I'm gonna tie this in a second. The other thing that I've seen not long ago on Netflix that I thought was really, really good was the All Quiet on the Western Front movie that they did. Have you seen that one? You told me that was good, and well, well, oh, it's it is. And I find World War one fact everyone World War two is like the great evil of the world being defeated by America. Yes, everyone, World War two gets a tremendous amount of historical focus, and with good reason. World War one is is fascinating and also horrific. And what you get from all quiet on the Western front is there are phases at which this war is over basically, and everyone knows it, and they need to figure out what they're gonna do, the people in charge. But because they're not willing to make some of the last concessions or whatever, there are some final offensives where people are you know, cutting half by machine gun fire and burned to death by you know, by flamethrowers and artillery rounds and you know, chemical weapons, and it's just horrific and it shouldn't happen, and it's in the final days and there's something particularly awful about that. And so what Elon's I think referring to here is, oh, what we're going to give Ukraine another six months to try to get a little more land here? How many tens of thousands of young men killed?

Is that work?

On both sides?

War is always hell, but dying in a war after it's always already been decided as indefensible. And whatever you think about the war in Ukraine and Russia. It's been decided. Russia is going to gain territory. As I said, we're just arguing about where the wine is going to be drawn. At this point, How in the world can anybody justify any death or any dying that's occurring in this war. At this point in time, we should have an immediate ceasefire and it seems beyond beyond any doubt. And for people who are arguing on the other side, they're actually the immoral ones. I think at this.

Point, well, this is this is what I think why Elon was so and I agree with him. Look, Elon has done a lot for Ukraine. Ukraine has only been able to have communications and which is absolutely essential for this war, which is really a lot of it is coordinating artillery and drones. That's really what this trench warfare is. I've seen a lot of the footage of it and reading about it, and it's because of Starlink that they even had communications. So Elon has done more for the Ukrainian Once again, it's isn't this fascinating? They the people who are so Slava Ukrainian have the flags and everything. They're trashing Elon. Meanwhile, Elon's done more than all of them combined, two of them combined for the Ukrainians, and he wants the war to end. And they want to say that you're selling out to Russia, your Putin's puppet. These people are intellectually and morally unserious. Totally true. By the way, we'll take some of your calls.

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Welcome back in, Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show producer Ali. You wanted to weigh in on some of the conversations that have been taking place.

Well, you were talking about your driving and I just have this memory of Buck and I going out to your house and it taking about what, Buck, forty forty five minutes in the umber and then you had to drive us back Clay and you were like, ah, so I'm gonna take twenty minutes, And I did the calculations. I'm like, well, it didn't take that long getting out here, and that ride I was very quiet.

I'm just gonna tell you, guys, I don't know if you've ever experienced this before, but Clay can go past a speed trap and the state trooper is just going to be like, well, that's too fast. I'm not going to chase that one down, Clayton. You know, they don't even bother.

I will say, I really the first time I got in the car with Buck thought, you know, former CIA guy, like he's going to be skilled behind the wheel.

I'm just about safety first, buddy, all right, I'm trying to keep everybody in the car safe.

No tickets.

You know.

I go at a nice leisurely paced leave.

Especially especially in Miami. I felt like I was driving as daisy. I mean, people are flying by, like one hundred and eighty miles an hour every direction. I will say, I don't know what the speed limit is in the Miami area. Everybody drives in Miami like it's like a hunter, It's like a Grand Prix. It's crazy.

People people go on the on the highways around Miami and Miami. The people go one hundred and twenty miles an hour like it's nothing. No one cares, and I've never seen anyone pulled over. It's it's crazy. I've never seen anything in my life. By the way, somebody wants to weigh in. What asking We got to talk back asking if I want to sleep on the couch? You want to play that quickly? Maybe we'll have to play it an hour number two. I think it was AJH or whatever it was. Greig sent it in. My wife knows that she cannot park. I think if she were listening right now, she would call in and say, these SUVs are not designed for small people to drive.

And I don't mean little people, I mean like women who are less than five six. They aren't designed to allow you to be able to park. We'll play that vbe it's really fast. Now we don't have time. We'll play it for you in the second hour. Thanks for hanging with us here on the Friday edition of the program. Up next, big judicial battle in Wisconsin. Get you in the latest with Judge Shimmel

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