Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Podcast is Friday.
Everybody, get ready to jump into it with Clay and Buck. Thanks for being here on The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
We have much to discuss.
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Governor Abbitt's office that the migrant crisis is so major in NYC. Will discuss that an extinction rebellion protest last night at the US Open tennis match in Queens, New York, which I was watching. We will discuss this politics and sports crossing over. What better place could you be in than right here on this show? And I am caught the one time, Like there's like a couple events a year I might watch the sports for, and in this one, sure enough, politics came about.
We shall certainly discuss that.
But I have two other areas I want to dive into here with Clay. First, in the world of what's going on in politics here at home. We have some polling will get to about Biden that I think is really interesting. And the culpability that people feel for or that think that Joe Biden has in the schemes involving Hunter. I think you would have to You'd have to be willing to believe the absurd to think that Joe Biden was not up on and in some way directly benefiting from what Hunter Biden was doing. Also, just think about this, Why would you want someone in charge who's so reckless and so inept that they wouldn't stop their crack addicts on from flying all over the world making deals on your behalf like that. That's not enough brand protection, if you know what I mean. We'll get into that. But first, Clay, mister Clay Travis, there's some news here. California Democrat Gavin Newsom, the Governor of California, on Meet the Press, has said, I guess this is a preview for the full interview on YEP, it's their preview clip. But he has said that President Biden is going to run.
Do we have audio of this? Do we have the audio clip? Everybody?
We have?
This is this is be still my heart, this is this is painful. Play it, play it.
Filing deadlines haven't passed, President Biden doesn't run, why shouldn't we consider you likely?
I think the vice president is naturally one lined up and the finally deadlines are quickly coming to pass. And I think we need to move past this notion that he's not going to run. President Biden is going to run, uh and looking forward to getting re elected. I think there's been so much wallowing in the last few months and hammering, even disrespect. But we're geary enough for the campaign. We're looking forward to it, you know.
But you hear these calls privately, what do you tell these donors who are wallowing?
Time to move on, Let's go.
And am I supposed to interpret that comment about the vice president that if for some reason the President chose not to run at this point that everybody rallies around her, and.
It's the Biden Harris administration.
It's maybe I'm over fashion.
Yeah, maybe I'm a little old fashioned about president's a vice I was a lieutenant governor, so I'm a little subjective.
All right, Clay, are you buying it? And are you going to be buying me a steak at the rooftop of the JW. Marriott in Nashville when Biden is in fact the nominee. We can handle that one later, but first, Gavin, here, one of you thinks that's a great steakhouse, bourbon steak at the top, so at least we're going to be going to a good denn.
I just buck.
I just keep looking at all of the data on Biden, and this was such a bad week for him. With the Wall Street Journal poll and the New York and the CNN poll.
They're saying the exact same story.
And I understand people can be skeptical of the polls, but when basically seventy six percent of Americans say Biden isn't mentally or physically capable.
To be the president of the United States.
Including huge majority of Democrats and Republicans and independence, Buck, we can barely get anybody to agree on anything in this country today. Everybody has finally become united behind Joe Biden in this belief.
He is too old for the job.
Whether you're a leftist, whether you're a rightist, whether you're middle of the road, whether you aren't even that plugged in in the political.
Arena, we all see this.
Whether you agree with me that Gavin Newsom is an adroit and likable personality when he sits down for Sean Hannity, and that he's glib and he's smooth, and I think he will play well with suburban women voters who I believe are going to be the determining factors in this twenty twenty four election. Gavin Newsom knows all of this too, So a part of me feels like this is when you see someone who is about to lose their job, you want that job. But the best way for you to get that job is to pretend that you actually think they're doing a good job. And that's what Gavin Newsom seems to me to be saying in this Meet the Press interview. I will say this, Buck, and I don't have the data in front of me. I would be curious. I don't know if you've read this or you've seen it anywhere. I would like to know what the filing deadlines are if you're going to run in South Carolina, if you're going to run in New Hampshire for these Democrat primaries, because we've been talking about when sort of the drop dead date. Unfortunately, when you say the drop dead date with Joe Biden, it has more than one connotation. I hope he stays healthy, but the drop dead date on when you have to get your name in on those ballots is I think truly rapidly approaching. So that will give us a good indication of whether Biden really plans to run. And I'll just add this, if Biden really liked Kamala Harris, do you.
Think he does? By the way, do you think Biden.
Actually likes Kamala Harris personally? I'm gonna tell you I have never considered that until this moment, So you're I need to mull it over a little bit. But mind, my inclination is no. My inclination is he does not like her. My inclination is.
At some level, remember Joe Biden, Yeah, he's he's a buffoon, but he's president, which is crazy. But he's an egomaniac too, right, he would have to be to be as lacking in skill and talent other than just the talents of being a slimy politician who does whatever their credit card companies want and whatever the Democrat Party makes popular for him in any moment, or will be popular for him within the party. Gavin News, I'm sorry Joe Biden. I think I think he's still sore over the treatment he got from Kamala on stage that time, because that was a real legacy tarnishing moment. And I know a lot of Democrats want to pretend like that didn't happen. But you know, Clay, you know what this is like we see in politics you can say a lot of things about other people in your party and let bygones be bygones. But if you stet up on stage and call Joe Biden a racist, I don't know if I don't know if Joe Biden lets that one go.
So I don't think he likes her. I don't think he likes her.
I think that's right, and that's why I would say this. I don't get the sense that Biden likes Kamala, I think it's a political marriage, not a true reproachment where they enjoy spending time with each other. I think sometimes presidents and vice presidents really do get along and they make a good team. Other times I think it's it's clearly a union of political necessity. So the point I make with that is this, Gavin Newsom raises an interesting question about the deadlines of these primaries and when they would need to be fit in order to have an actual contested primary. But if Biden doesn't drop out, and when I say drop out, just announce that he's not going to run in twenty twenty four, if he really liked Kamla he could wait until just before the convention or something like that and say, hey, I'm not going to run. Kamala Harris is the choice. She's the standard bearer going forward, and there would be popular acclamation and I don't think anybody would be able to oppose Kamala Harris. I don't get the sense that that is the way Joe Biden feels about Kamala Harris. So I feel like, still, if he's not going to run, he doesn't want to give her that gilded pathway where she is his deputy and he basically bestows upon her the mantle of Democrat nominee. So I think if Biden, and this is why he keeps saying, if Biden is going to drop out, it has to happen in the next few months, where he says I'm not going to run because I don't think he wants Kamala as his successor. I think our friend Ryan Gerdusky on his substack did a piece and his analysis of just the filing deadlines and all the re if it was if you don't have a change in place by December, yeah, which is by Christmas, by Christmas, which makes sense just if you were to sort of guess, you're like, well, it's kind of got to be done before next year starts. If it's not done by Christmas, it's not happening. And then the only way you're gonna have something else would be some kind of a crazy floor fight at the Democrat nat which would be I mean, it would be amazing television. But I mean, you know, that's a that's a total mess. And I think increasingly, I mean Clay Fetterman one independence, I think everyone needs to needs to remember.
This for a second.
You know, I understand it's a little bit of a dynamic that plays out here where mister Clay is sunshine and rainbows and I'm a little more storm clouds on this stuff sometimes. But Fetterman one independent voters in Pennsylvania, despite what we saw, which we don't even have to ever knows right, which we just can't be.
Again, doesn't work. I mean, yes, profoundly unwell. If Joe Biden is.
Alive throughout twenty twenty four, the Democrats are going to stick with it, meaning, you know, unless he has a serious health issue, health condition and or you know, heaven forbid, but something. He's old, I mean, he is. You know, it's different when you're talking about a presider who's sixty. Okay, it just is, this guy's really old. And I just think that they're they're gonna end up sticking with him because the machinery in place is to defeat Trump at hold Trump as the great you know, the great evil, the Satan that is going to destroy America. And I don't think that they believe the candidate quality. Really, I think it's hard to argue that when you're facing Trump, the Democrats think candidate quality really matters when they had Joe Biden in the first place. Now I understand the counter to this argument is it was twenty twenty.
It was crazy.
You know, you can't wreck located and the rigging and all the Okay, fine, but I still don't see how Democrats. I mean, let me ask you. Let's get down to brass tacks. Here is Gavin Newsom basically full of it? Still in your mind when he says this, is he still full of it.
For twenty times?
Come to grips with these comments live on the air, right because I know he's grieving, Yeah, grieving a little bit. I was thinking we were gonna have a nice Napa red wine, just, you know, kind of talk over things, maybe some Camembert, you know, some of his little crackers uh at crew de Tay if you want to reference the Pennsylvania Senate campaign.
I believe that he is bluffing.
I think the best way to get a job that you want is to pretend that you don't want it and that he is kind of still that snake in the grass. For the Democrats waiting, we need to get Ryan Gerdski, who does really good data analysis and everything else, to actually come on at some point, maybe next week, Buck, to give us these dates so we can start to look and put them on our calendar and kind of keep them in contemplation, both you and me and everybody out there listening. Because I looked at that Democrat debate, sorry, the Republican debate. I think there are five six candidates that could comfortably beat Joe Biden other than Gavin Newsom. I don't think the Democrats have a good bench. That's why I keep coming back to us their bench matter. Well, that's the scary I'm not convinced this. That's the dark ere perspective. Yes, that it truly doesn't matter. This is the Fetterman effect. Yeah, Fetterman is the I mean, we needed that Senate seat in Pennsylvania. Doctor Oz isn't perfect, but hold on a second. He's a super smart, super successful guy. I know he's not, you know, the longest conservative credentials, you know, but I've been a conservative since I was sixteen, As my entire life record shows, and if I say anything on the show Someone's Life, look are you? You're sounding like a rhino. I'm like, I mean, how much more right wing can I be? So I'm willing to say doctor Oz, yeah he's not He's not me. But he would have been infinitely better for everybody in the state of Pennsylvania than John Fetterman on a purely objective basis, just in terms of being able to do the job for which he was attempting to gain. And why did Pennsylvania elect Fetterman. Pennsylvania does a better job. The Democrat Party in that state has a registration advantage, does early voting, has just a better get out the vote machinery. Everything they have it set up. They are out playing. They have It's what's the thing? The playbook like your book? The thing I was gonna say, the thing the coaches have where they make all the squiggly lines.
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Welcome back team.
We have our friend Ryan Gurdusky with us.
Mister Gurdusky has a phenomenal sub stack that you should all subscribe to.
We just we name checking before he happened to be listening, Clay. Yeah, he goes, Hey, I'll call it and talk to you guys about this. So Ryan Substack is the National Populist newsletter. Ryan, can we first deal with what's going on with Gavin Newsom saying he's stepping out?
Is this for real?
Yeah? I've been saying this forever that he had know that he was not. I mean, he's an interest in probably running for president. But in America and twenty twenty three, the Democratic Party is not going to bypass the first BIPOC female vice president in favor of a straight white guy. It's just not It's not gonna happen. So I never had much assumption that it was going to happen. And plus I know a lot of like very active Democrats. None of them had had news as the backup if Biden and Harris couldn't run. They all want either Gretchen Whitmer or Jared Polis or the governor of Illinois. I mean, they had a million other people. The only person who ever won a news me president or talked about it was Republican.
Okay, so let's go into the timeline here. Buck and I have a debate stake bet over whether or not Biden is going to run for reelection in twenty twenty four. A lot of people out there will recall if your history people, some of you are old enough, you were sitting and you were watching it at the time that LBJ famously announced he wouldn't run for reelection in nineteen sixty eight during I think it was the summer, or maybe it was the spring of sixty eight. I don't have that in front of me right now. March of sixty eight, all right, is when LBJ in sixty eight said I'm not going to run, won't be the nominee. Then shortly thereafter Robert F. Kennedy Junior was killed, Martin Luther King was killed. Like all that's going on, that was a crazy year. What would the timeline look like if Joe Biden were not going to run? In your mind, Ryan, what would that need to look like if he wants an open primary, and then if he also just wanted bipopular acclamation effectively to deputize Kamala Harris and make her the nominee, how would you assess the timeline?
Well, by December I think of exactly. I think it's December thirteenth or fourteenth, that is when the ballot access closes. So within what is that four months from now?
That is three months basically three months from now if we're sitting you know, in the three months in mid early to mid December is when you're saying, if you want to be on the ballot and have a truly contested primary, that's when Biden would need to announce that he wasn't running.
Correct, So Biden would have to do it within the next three months to have an actual primary. Let's say Biden goes to the primary process, is the nominee, and then something happens and.
He can't run.
Then the Democratic DNC and the delegates and the governors select the nominee. They are not going to pass a person on the ticket for somebody who is not on the ticket. Now they make select a new vice president and that might fight. They will, and that will be the fight. But they're not going to tell Kamala, hey, guess what you're like, you know, Julie Lewis Draves and beep and you're not getting it again. It's just not going to happen, especially considering and I know she's unpopular Democrats, No, she's unpopular, but it would be at a very very very big kick in the face to the most loyal group of Democrats are black women, that the first of female black Asian vice president ever is going to miss the opportunity to be to be a president because they're going to pick a straight white guy who has never been on a ballot nationally.
Hey, Ryan, what do you make of the polls? I mean, they're clearly bad, right because even CNN and CBS News and such we're saying, like, this is not good polls for Biden we're seeing right now now. But how do you read them? What does it tell you about, you know, things like independence, the suburban mom or not sub non suburban women specifically, how do you see this bad week of pulling for Biden? I think he's at what was he played forty one percent approval something like that.
Yeah, third, Now Biden's in a very very bad place, much worse than he than a lot of Democrats assumed that he would be in. So there's two major polls, the CNN poll and the Wall Street Journal poll. Scenn had him losing to Trump by one. Wall Street Journal had him tied. They're both very accredited polls, but wall Ster Journal doesn't have exit polls. Seenn did, so he tied through the exit through the cross tabs. And something that stuck out to me with this poll is it and I looked at other state poles that have come out in the last month, what it looks like to me is this looks a lot like twenty twenty two in the sense that if you look at state poles over the last month, Biden's numbers are down significantly in places like California, New York, New Jersey where he has not collapsed. Where his numbers have not collapsed significantly in states that are overwhelmingly white and black Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, New Hampshire, states where ninety percent plus of the electric will either be blacks or whites. That is where Biden's numbers have not gone down pretty much at all. In California, for example, which is the Biden plus twenty nine state. The LA Times that have polled this week it was Biden plus twenty in New York, a Biden plus twenty three state. The Siena poll from two weeks ago had Biden plus thirteen. These are massive double digit losses in big blue states, primarily because Hispanics and Asians have fled the Democratic Party over issues like crime. Where we're not seeing it, these numbers match at all in a change would be like in Emerson It's New Hampshire it was Biden plus seven. Michigan Epic poll Biden plus one, which was a Biden plus one state. Franklin Marshall, Pennsylvania Biden plus two. It was a Biden plus one state. Virginia Biden plus nine, it was a Biden plus ten state. In these states, it is sagnet when you look at the crosstabs of the C and N pole. Now they don't break it down by race as far as like Hispanic or Asian go. They say non white white. The non white numbers for Biden have gone down significantly. It's D plus twenty six. It should be like D plus forty b D plus forty five. But where it is very strong for Biden is among college educated whites against Trump D plus fourteen. Where it is among very strong for Biden also is among independents. It's D plus nine. These were the pole, These were the voters that helped elect John Fetterman and Pennsylvania. These are the voters that prevented Republicans from winning a lot of congressional districts in suburban counties. So this poll is very bad for Biden. He is not sitting comfortably in any way, shape or form. Is this Should Republicans sit back for the next year and a half and say we got this in the bag. No, What could very well happen is blue cities outside of New Work, outside of New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago could see could see voters once again continuing to move more Republican in places like the Bronx, in places like Cicero, Illinois. In places like Los Angeles and Beverly Hills, they'll continue to move more Republican, but that won't matter as those places are non competitive ultimately statewide.
Okay, so this is fascinating. I love when you kind of dive into the data. What would jump out to me about what you said is, first of all, obviously we don't know who officially the nominee is going to be, So I'm curious how you would assess, you know, the Republican nominee in terms of the likelihood of winning. And so part one of this is Nicky Haley, for instance, in that CNN poll plus six. How would you assess Nicki Haley, Tim's Scott Ron DeSantis favek Ramaswami compared to Trump in the event that Biden is going to be the nominee. That's part one, But maybe I want to start with this part two with you, which is what you just said, would suggest to me that there may be a real opportunity for Republicans to win Nevada, to win certainly Arizona, which both have substantial Hispanic communities, given the fact that we're seeing Hispanic movement towards Trump, does it.
Put New Mexico at all in play?
Obviously a lot of focus on the rust belt, Georgia, New Hampshire, But when you see the Southwest and you see Biden losing some of that support outside of the traditional white black window, am I crazy? Or is the Southwest in play for Republicans?
So let's tell it nikkiy Haley for a second. The reason that Haley was top plus six is because among college educated white she was pop plus eight as opposed to Trump, who was losing them by fourteen. So that the entire swing for people like Nicki Haley is completely Because do you.
Think that's real.
Do you think that's real, by the way, that college educated whites like Nicki Haley a lot more than they like Trump, or do you think that's a statistical anomaly.
I think there's a definite demographic that like candidates who won speak speak speak closer towards the middle on abortion, which Nikki Hilly does. She does have girl boss vibes, which definitely signals a lot of people who you know, want to have a female vice president possibly there. And she hasn't been mired in some of the uglier culture war fights over the last year. She's basically been almost uncompletely unnoticed. She is very much what a generic Republican like John Kasik would have looked like in twenty sixteen. I think the longer people hear about her, those numbers might change. But I think that's partially part of the reason why you know, Nikkiely does not have a huge name. I d DeSantis does better with college educated whites as well. That's why he just has lower overall name ID. So he's tied with Biden as a Trump who was getten by one, but it's all insignificant. But among college educated whites, everyone performs better than Trump, and that's just I mean, Trump supporters might not like that a number, but that is exactly the truth. And they all basically perform as well or better with Trump. Among non college educated whites, this group that apparently Trump could only win, which was you know what Trump supporters like to sit there and say, is not true. Glenn Younkin one non college educated whites by larger margins than Trump did in Virginia, the Santas It in Florida, There's been the governor jawined Is in Ohio. So I mean, there's a lot to sit there and say. When it comes to the idea that only Trump can win this portion of voters. The question of can the Southwest change New Mexico would take a large, large pole to sit there and make that competitive. Colorado is, you know gone, Nevada has a chance, Arizona has a chance. But let's say you do the Southwest. You know, you try to in the Southwest states and by catering heavily to Hispanics and you put more emphasis in places like Arizona, Nevada, Texas, New Mexico, even if they are Republican, We're to sweep Arizona, Nevada, I think New Mexico might be too heavy to lift. It's worth seventeen Electoral College votes. You're not going to win the presidency like that. There's the states that really do matter are still racially binary states North Carolina, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire. Those are all ninety black white states when it comes to the voting electric The rest where the Hispanics live mostly are in very non competitive states right now. The ones who are competitive Florida is slightly competitive. I guess Texas is a very very important Arizona and Nevada Republicans can't afford to lose. The two states are most likely to win there, and they need to win Arizona back. And at the same exact time, the fight will be completely in the Ross Belt and in New Hampshire and North Carolina.
Real quick, Ryan, before you let you go. And I just would again say Ryan's National Populist newsletter on substack if you get a subsect dot com, I'm a subscriber.
I think he does a great job.
Do the Democrats think that if they had to, they could make Kamala win in twenty twenty four if Biden did have Let's say Biden had a health a true health issue. Do you think they're confident that they could push they could kind of do the Fetterman routine and just the candidate doesn't matter.
I mean, look, I think that the Fetterman routine, it matters who you're running opposed to. Does it does the canon? Does the Republican candidate energize people who show up against them? What is working in Republicans favor is the economy is garbage. Everyone knows it, and Biden, for example, is not. Biden's not doesn't seem to be healthy, and Kamala is not likable. The thing that is working against the Republicans is this mere demographics of the country changing. Probably a two million Trump a million to two million Trump voters have passed away since the last election. Millions of gen zs who will be first time voter are overwhelming a Democrat. Millions of immigrants who have been legalized or overwhelmingly Democrat, or they went to the nationalization process. That's working in Democrats favor now shifts and Hispanics shifts, and Asians ships and working class people they matter significantly, But a lot of despite will be on to college educated white people. Are they motivated to sit there a white college educated white people in suburbs? Are they motivated by hatred of a certain candidate to sit there and vote against them? Or will the talk of what issues matter more than this?
Ryan ger Dusk everybody, Ryan, thanks for all the spot analysis, my friend.
Great talk to you.
Thank you.
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We have only one guest today. She is Carrie Lake.
We've been looking forward to talking to her for a while and I'll start off with this.
I saw you in Milwaukee.
I know you were in town for the debate, Carrie, and I asked you this then, So I'm gonna lead off with it right now. Do you expect at some point to announce the run for the Senate in Arizona?
Is it something that.
You are deeply considering? How is that process going?
Well, yes, you did ask me that. I mean it was like a hey, nice to meet you.
Are you gonna wait for senate? Not even any pleasantries, Clay. I was like, let's have a conversation.
Hold hold on.
I think to be fair, I said that of all the candidates who ran in twenty twenty two, because I had not met you in person, you a bunch on the show. I said that I thought you ran the best campaign, and that's something that I've said on this show for a long time. And you were a great guest as well. So I did say that. But then you're right. I immediately jumped in and said, okay, give give me the gossip. Are you going to run? So I'll start off. It's the same question that I've still got. Tell me about Arizona, tell me about the Senate idea.
Oh, well, you're right, you were very complimentary and thank you. We did run an incredible campaign, a very positive campaign, filled with common sense solutions to the problems that Arizona has had for a long time, and unfortunately the status quo politician never seems to be able to solve them because they're more interested in having a long political career than they are helping the people.
And like I said, solving some of.
These easily solvable issues, they're not impossible.
So thank you for the complimentary words.
I'm really considering it, and we spoke about this in Milwaukee. We have an opportunity to pick up a Senate seat and put an America First Republican in that Senate seat and send an America First Republican back to Washington, d C. To actually help propel President Trump's Agenda forty seven, which is I believe the answer to getting us out of the mess that Joe Biden and this corrupt administration has inflicted on America and frankly on the world.
So we're running.
We would be running against a couple of hardcore leftist Kirsten Cinema who has now tried to become a chameleon and act like she's an independent when she's the furthest thing from it. She votes in lockstep with Joe Biden, and then you mentioned him, Reuben Diego, who is a socialist Democrat hinging on a Marxist.
I mean, there's just no other way to say it. That's exactly who he is.
And you look at his voting record and the things he's done and failed to do in DC.
So I'm giving it a lot of thought. I will probably be.
Making a decision here in the next month or so, and if I decide to jump in, I will jump in with the intention to win and go to DC represent the good people of Arizona, and rather than getting in the way of President Trump and his great agenda like so many Senators and Congressmen have done over the last several years, I will actually help support that agenda because it is chock full of great solutions to some of the really serious problems we're facing.
Okay, well, we'll convey an invite because we've got a monster audience all over the state of Arizona, and we love everybody out there listening. I believe we're number one in Phoenix. If and when you decide to announce for the Senate, we would love to have you partially do so on this program so open invite to you in the event that decision is made.
I appreciate that. I will note that and truly really consider it. You guys have a great show. You have been broadcasters and commentators for a long time and you understand where the people are.
So thank you. Thank you for that.
So, Carrie, Arizona's got some problems, as I understand it, with how it runs elections.
There are some issues. You know quite a bit about this.
Understatement of the century.
Yeah, and so I often get with this audience.
You know, we have to.
We're always doing a few things at the same time. We're talking about what's going on now, where we're going, how we get to the place as a country we want to get to, and what it requires. And with that in mind, people will write in where they'll call in and they'll say, Buck, you and Clay are trying to get us fired up, focused on the issues. Do what you can from the grassroots level, get out there and try to deliver this country back into the hands of America first governance. But Arizona's broken. What are we doing to fix Arizona. We'll get this email, We'll get these calls.
You would know, is it fixed? Is it still a problem.
Are we going to have any issues in twenty twenty four, whether it's for president or Senate seats or whatever when it comes to elections in your home state.
Well, thank you for asking that question.
So many people shy away from talking about our broken election system, and I applaud you for even having the courage to bring it up, because it is courage now to be in broadcasting and bring up the very fact that our elections are broken, they're fraught with fraud, and they're being rigged around this country. We saw it in twenty twenty and Republicans know it. Independents even believe it. A great number. Sixty percent of independence say our elections are broken and fraught with fraud, and even forty plus percent of Democrats believe it as well.
So we passed a.
Tipping point where the majority of Americans say we've got to reform our elections. It's not comfortable being on the front lines of the election integrity fight because you get called names. But I frankly, you know, I'm fifty four. I don't care what names they call me. I'm a middle aged woman. Call me whatever you want. I just want to have a country for my children to grow up in.
So we are getting victories.
There was just a court victory in the last week about these election mail in ballots.
When it comes to the signature verification that.
They have to go now, when they match these signatures, they have to be matched.
With the signature that you.
Put on your voter registration, because they're pulling signatures from god knows where and matching them and not even matching them at all. As we've proven, they take two seconds or one second to match a signature. That's not even time to take a look and compare. So we are continuing to fight buck. We have several court cases, including one that's moving into the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, trying to get rid of these disgusting voting machines that are made The components of them are made by our adversaries. The manufacturers won't even show open up the hood and show us what's underneath and show us how they work. And we know that they can be programmed and corrupted. We have proof of that, so we're pushing that case forward. I have another case that I'm fighting in Maricopa County and a judge just gave us a two day trial to get a hold of the envelopes that people mail back their ballance in to show and prove again that there are no signatures on these or they are not matched signatures. I think when the people of Arizona and this country realize how much fraud is tied up in these mail in balance, they are going to be horrified. And I'm also being sued by a government official, an election official, an elected official, for defamation for having the courage to speak out. So I'm continuing to move forward with these election cases in going forward to that twenty four we do have a fair election, and we're also going to push for injunctive relief to have oversight with these people. We can't have the same corrupt people running our elections again in twenty four. But I think something interesting may happen. And I was just reading about this today and maybe you've already talked about it.
Our FK Junior, Robert F.
Kennedy Junior, is talking about running as a third party candidate. That's going to make it really hard when there's three people, three parties running in any election, whether it be the Senate seat in Arizona, the presidency, it makes it a lot harder for these people to cheat because they don't know what's going to be on the inside of the ballot. It might be a Democrat voting, but that Democrat might be voting independent.
This time around to vote for RFK Junior.
So I think we're going to see some dynamics in this election that's going to make it harder for them to cheat, and we're going to work through the court system to also make it harder for them to cheat.
Kerry, I think correct me if I'm wrong. Are you going to be in Iowa some with President Trump for this Iowa Iowa State trip? For people out there who don't know, one of the biggest and best college football rivalries in all the country is the Syhawk Trophy game between Iowa and Iowa State. We appreciate everybody listening in Iowa right now as well. I know President Trump's going to that game. I think that's brilliant. That's probably the best single event you can go to in Iowa for the entire fall. I know the fair is a big deal in the I mean, everybody's going to be there, everybody's paying attention.
Buck.
This would be a fun game for us to go to sometime I'd never been. I'd love to go. And as a part of that carry if you're going to run in the Senate, obviously, not only do we need you to win and Republicans to take back that Senate. See also Trump or whoever the Republican nominee is would have to win in Arizona. How much of a tandem campaign do you think you could run and how powerful would that be?
Well, let me first start. I'm gonna take you back the beginning of that question. The Syhawk game is one of the great games. You know, I grew up in Iowa.
That's right, That's right, University of Iowa graduate.
Right, you're a proud Hawkeye.
I'm a Hawkeye, and I hope and pray the Hawkeyes win. I know I may have just made a bunch of Cyclone fans mad, but that's okay. And I've been communicating with President Trump. I told them to play it safe and wear a gold or yellow tie. Don't go red this time, because then all the University of Iowa fans will think you're rooting for the Cyclone.
So I think it's a brilliant play.
It's not one of the great rivalries in football. The entire state of Iowa pays attention to that game. They either go to the game, they watch it on TV. They pay attention to that game. If you could reach every single Iowa in one fell swoop, it would be by going to this game. So I think it's a brilliant move by President Trump to go to that game.
It's a brilliant political move. He'll have a great time.
The people of Iowa are just the most incredible nice people you'll ever meet, and so I give him very high marks for going to that I hope that deep down he's rooting for the Hawkeyes, but he'll probably play it safe and just be rooting for Iowa. Now running a tandem campaign, I'm going to do whatever I can to help President Trump win. And it's because I recognize the moment we are finding ourselves in in history. This is a pivotal moment in American history and frankly in human history. And we know that President Trump can do the job. He can withstand and the non stop attacks, because he's proven that he's almost a giant when it comes to handling these attacks, and he can get in there and turn things around. We've seen him do it already he had an incredible four years. I mean they had to stop him by rolling out COVID and rolling out huge mail in ballots and trying to steal an election.
That's how they had to stop him.
He's that powerful and that much of a threat to the corrupt political machine that is Washington DC. That's why Dick Cheney, by the way, says he's a threat. He's a threat to Dick Cheney's way of life. He's a threat to Dick Cheney's politic gene, which is a war mongering machine. Remember, guys, it was three years ago, I think next week on the fifteenth, that President Trump signed the amazing Abraham Accords and brought peace to the Middle East, something that we were.
Told was never going to be possible.
He did that with a NonStop incoming from people, including in his own parts, and against all odds, created the Abraham Accords, which I think he really earned a Nobel Peace Prize for, although I don't think he'll ever get one because that's a pretty corrupt entity. So we know that President Trump could do the job. I will not change if I do run, I'm going to run the way I have always run, and the way I ran for governor with common sense approach to our problems. These are not solutions that are Republican solutions. These are solutions that are putting America first, putting Arizona first. And we have too many politicians in DC who really don't care about America. We've seen time and time again they actually are voting against America. They're voting for a wide open border. They're voting to send our treasure to Ukraine. Another billion dollars being sent to Ukraine. Meanwhile Americans are suffering that last amount of money they poured into Ukraine. Guess how much money was poured into the border at that time.
Zero.
We have a wide open border, and we have an infiltration and an invasion at our border.
We're going to lose our country.
And so I'm going to just fight every day if I decide to run, and I'm also going to be fighting to help President Trump win because I believe he is the man who can help save America and really save the world, because if America falls, there's not much hope for the world.
Carry Lake, everybody who might be announcing a Senate run on this program in the near future.
Thank you, Carrie appreciate it.
Thanks guys, God bless you both and go Hawkeyes.
Good luck. I mean, Clay, I'm just I have to say, my beloved Hawkeyes. I'm really excited about their offense. However, I'm also really looking forward to seeing what their defense can pull together. I'm on the over for the gamblers out there this. I'd never been to this game in person. I've watched a lot of them. This is a bucket list rivalry game for.
Me to get to go see it. At some point, I'm going to get there.
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Clay and I are fired up some things in the sports world, which I am. I will tell you my wife is shocked because this week I'm actually a guy who is sitting down on a couch and watching for more than five minutes sports because I like the US Open.
So you know, I have my sports weekness. This is going to be hell o your mind, buck. I have not watched one minute of the US Open. This might be the first time that you have watched a sporting event that I have. I mean, I've seen the highlights, but I haven't sat down and watched one moment of the US Open. I don't even know what to say about that, other than your missing out. It's been a great one this year.
I went.
Last year, I took my mom at Yea. We remember my mom. We had so much fun at the Open. I think it was Serena Williams's last game. We saw her last professional match.
So anyway, a lot going on in the realm of sports, which we'll get into, but I wanted to start with this one. There was a moment you don't usually see this in sports. And I was watching live at the time and during one of during one of the matches, I believe it was Cocoa Golf's match.
Who's now in the final. She's nineteen years old, She's an American black, just a superstar.
In the making. Here.
Who's you know, I think going to be You're gonna see a lot more of her if you follow tennis, uh and she's doing a phenomenal a phenomenal job. Anyway, she she had to walk off court for a second play, and she addressed with her team that there was some kind of negotiation going on with with events security, because you had a bunch of climate extinction lunatics. A bunch of climate extinction lunatics had super glued their feet to the ground in the stands and started screaming stuff. I mean what they scream is, you know, is irrelevant.
But these are the people who decide that they have made a that their their course in life now has to be to do the most annoying things possible to get attention for themselves.
They they've done this, They did this. I think it was climate extinction lunatics who blocked the road into burning man, which was kind of funny because you have a bunch of climate worshippers on the way to a like pagan bacchanal, and then you had climate protesters blocking their.
Way on the road.
But these are the most annoying people, I think, in many ways on the planet, almost as annoying as people that believe in masking. Still, and I think Clay, it's interesting to see that there's no mockery of them among Democrats.
They don't know, they will not mock them.
They'll not make fun of this because as crazy as the climate extinction people are, and remember they're saying, we're all going to die. That's why it's climate extinction. The whole world is going to end and we're all going to die. Humanity will go extinct if we don't, you know, ride bicycles to work every day. I mean, just whatever, tell China to stop producing all the CO two it does, which is never going to happen, Clay, they're essentially the shock troops of the climate movement, the most annoying, stupid people on the planet.
Yeah, and that was bad one on part of me.
At least, it's not priceless works of art that they're gluing themselves to or throwing different objects onto and actually trying to deface and destroy. So that's at least a positive. But did you see that Coco to GoF the I think I got her name right, and this is one where you go go, yeah.
There you go. All right?
So she said that she wasn't upset because she agreed with their political protest. Did you see Oh, oh yeah, I'm gonna make sure I read those things I said about her tennis. Oh my god, yes, And I'm going to read you some of these quotes.
This is why, this is, This is why I don't want sports. Everybody's why I don't do it.
You cannot trust any of these famous athletes on politics.
Well, a few of them you can, but very few.
She said, And I quote and maybe we can find uh, maybe we can find this audio because I imagine it's out there.
This is a quote from her.
And I'm reading from OutKick because I read about this this morning. I didn't see it happen, but I was like, oh, this is crazy. Throughout history, moments like this are definitely defining moments. I believe in climate change. I don't really know what they were protesting. I know it was about the environment. I one hundred percent believe in that. I think there are things we could do better. I know the tournaments are doing things to do better for the environment. Would I prefer it not happening in my match? One hundred percent.
Yeah.
I'm not going to sit here and lie. But it is what it is. I wasn't pissed at the protesters. I know the stadium was because it just interrupted entertainment. I always speak about preaching what you feel and what you believe in. It was done in a peaceful way, so I can't get too mad at it.
I'm horrified. I didn't know about any of this. I thought you knew those quotes, Like I didn't know those quotes. My mind is now.
My mind is blown, although not, I mean, I'm not really. I guess that surprised, you know athletes waning. First of all, she's nineteen years old. She's very young US, so her knowledge of global climate change I wouldn't expect. But as we recall, Greta Thunberg was sixteen oh in traveling the world and maturing adults on.
You know, how dare you the whole thing? It was absurd, right, Wow, that's really disappointing. I don't say Buck, this is a good point, though. On the nineteen year olds. This is one of those things that I think is an article of faith with young people in America today. I see it with my own boys and the kids that are around them. The idea that you could question anything about climate change to them is almost impossible for them to comprehend. It is such an article of faith in the way that they have been raised that climate change is real and that it's going to be massively destructive to their life. They've bought into the catastrophizing aspects of this story. And so it doesn't honestly surprise me that Coco Goffa is how you pronounced her.
It's crazy.
I really don't know much about her that she would have that perspective, because I think it is overwhelmingly the perspective that an average American nineteen year old kid, and I still call them kids, even though they're technically adults and nineteen year olds still kind of a kid. To me, that they would have that opinion is not at all surprising. But when I saw those quotes, I was reading about it this morning and I thought, man, I've never heard of a protest shutting down a tennis match like this, and the athlete being like, yeah, basically I agree with the protesters. It's funny we didn't we didn't plan this out before. And I was just going to talk about the Biden administration now shutting down a whole a massive Let me see the they have a mixed part of Alaska. Yeah, huge part of of I guess it's anwar right where they're here we go Biden administration. Biden freezes the Interior Secretary Deb Holland is freezing a huge part of anwar, limiting development on thirteen million acres in the state's National Petroleum Reserve. And what was interesting, and the Wall Street Journal was teeing off on this, the Biden administration is saying saying that the Interior Secretary Deb Holland has to rely on quote, indigenous knowledge of the science to block this drilling.
Indigene of the science of.
I didn't even know that that was based on the best this here's the quote, based on the best available science. And in recognition of indigenous knowledge, I'm like, what.
Is indigenous knowledge? I mean, is it's science? Is science?
Right?
So if the indigenous knowledge includes something that is scientific, that would just make it science. We don't have Japanese science and American science, we don't have Russian science and Brazilian science.
There's just science.
But in the case of this, to to sort of create this diversity and inclusion umbrella for blocking a huge amount thirteen million acres in the Anwar area. I remember anword, clay. They've been trying to do this. This was like an early episode of The West Wing. You remember this, and in the West Wing, the show that was just about how liberals always right and care and care and and are really educated.
It a live Bible.
When I was nineteen, just like Cocoa Goff, I was like, oh the West I was a freshman at GW West Wing, popular show.
Everybody watched it.
Oh gosh, Clays come so far.
It makes me so happy.
So we look at the My point about this was and I'm still like I can't believe, like, just play, just play tennis. Yeah, I mean, I you know, I know we're not allowed to say this to athletes, like can you just do the athlete? Because now if you step into the realm of politics, now we now you're in our world.
Right, I don't sit there now.
I mean everyone can have opinions on everything, fine, but now we have to say no, that's a really stupid thing to say.
And why are people because.
People will listen, They're gonna listen to all climate change is real and all this stuff. My point though about the uh, about the and it's she actually has made the point better than anybody really could have in a sense. Here people have paid and I was just there last year myself. People have paid a lot of money to be there and be an event.
Think of how.
Selfish you have to be because it was like a ten or fifteen minute you know, shut down in the match, stopped it, everyone had to go, oh, the police had a common remove. Think of what a selfish jerk you have to be to think that, because you are an emotionally unstable Biden voter, you need to glue your feet to the ground to make a point about what exactly. It's not even like they're saying free are you know our buddy who's like a political prisoner somewhere, Like maybe it's gonna happen, maybe it's not.
They just want attention.
This is this is a malignant narcissism masquerading as a political movement.
I think that's well said.
Also, I think it's super counterproductive because most people just come for the entertainment, whether you know, the same thing. At the NBA, guys started gluing themselves to the basketball court and that was funny because everybody in the NBA wants to be super woke and you know, politically active. And then everybody's like, can we just play basketball? You know you sound like me, because that's the argument I've been making for years. The other thing about this is, and I guarantee you this will happen, Buck, I go ahead and write this in Stone. Somebody in sports media, maybe multiple people will write a column where they say the proudest moment of Coco Goff's career wasn't advancing to the US Open, and if she wins, I'll say it wasn't. It wasn't winning the US Open. It was speaking out about the ravages of climate change. Some point, some sports writer will write that column. I just want to say I was watching this. I was kind of like on and off watching and I ended up tuning in much more for the later set. I thought it was like fifteen minutes because I often watch things on delay because I'm a digital watcher, and I'll fast forward. It was a forty nine.
Minute stop and play, so that actually changes the trajectory of the match. That's unfair to the players. I mean, even five minutes is unfair to the players, deeply unfair to the players. If I were the girl who lost, I forget, I forget. I think it was a Muchova, who's a Russian I think or is from. I forget where she's from. But Mucheva, I think was the player. If I were the player who lost, I'd be really upset. I think it's unfair that you have your play halted like that. But for the other people I mean is like, this is like when someone gets too drunk freaks out on a plane and all of a sudden, instead of everybody going to Barbados.
That are heading back to Newark. You know what I mean.
It's so selfish and stupid and wrong. And you know, this player who's now in the US Open final is supportive of it, to your point, brand enhancing for her. Overall corporations, people who write big checks, they're gonna say, oh, bigger sponsorship dollars. I will now root against her. I don't even know if she's playing in the final. Actually, no, I do know playing.
He's playing a Russian. I think, yeah, another Russian, another Russian.
Okay, I have to root for the Americans still, But I'm annoyed that you said these annoying things about climate change?
Am I crazy to ask?
How do you get the stuff that you can glue yourself to the court with into the event?
Like?
Don't you have to go through metal detectors and stuff like? Wouldn't like it's a tube of crazy glue. I don't think that's that's Is that all they're using. I don't know.
I don't know.
I've never I've never pulled this routine myself. I couldn't tell you. Pretty crazy though, But can I.
Just point out, though, Clay, that while we're at a point that gas prices are still pretty high and everything else, do you have these climate lunatic protesters running around? You have Biden's Interior Secretary deb Holland making moves to make it harder to drill and to get energy. This is one of the this is one of like the central brain rots of the modern Democrat party. And you'll notice it because no no one, you know, comedians or whatever, they won't make fun of the dumbest, most annoying people in political life in the planet. I think right now are climate protesters the most worthless, the most selfish.
It's terrible.
Let me also point this out, and I think we've talked about it a little bit. Gas prices are going back up as all of this is happening. Yesterday I filled up, took me over one hundred dollars again to fill up my car. And I know a lot of you out there are nodding along too, because the prices are going up in a substantial way all over the country and suddenly those massive gas bills are back like they were last summer. As we roll into the fall. Here one of the best things about stepping out of the shower wrapping yourself in a cozy, absorbent towel. You don't want one of those flimsy or scratchy towels. You want the luxurious comfort of a my pillow towel made with USA cotton. Guess what you're in luck because right now they're on sale at fifty percent off of regular prices. My pillow towel set comes with two bath, two hand towels, washcloths, usually that retails for seventy nine ninety eight. Right now you can get it at MyPillow dot com for an incredible fifty percent off. Inner our names as the promo code Clay and Buck. You can also call eight hundred and seventy nine to two thirty two sixty nine for this special Many more as well. Look forward to getting out of that next shower with the MyPillow towelsmipillow dot com. Enter our names Clay and Buck as the promo code.
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When I stopped just reading history books and preparing for radio shows and uh trying to like go for walks or get to the gym or something, I spend some time watching the sports on the television, and it all of a sudden crosses over in the world of politics right away, right in front of me.
I didn't even know it, or I found out later on. So the American Coco Goff, who is in the US Open finals, which is being played tomorrow, I believe in New York City for tennis, there was a forty nine minute delay because of climate lunatic protesters gluing themselves and they were shouting and screaming and cursing and.
Doing all the usual stuff. Does anyone who's willing to do this kind of stuff.
There's a zero percent chance that this is someone you would want to like, be around and deal with.
It's just their annoying. This level must be beyond comprehension for normal people. But Coco Golf is in.
Support of you know, and I think I got a lot of Miss Clay see here, I am.
I thought I could just watch some sports, and now I'm on the political show talk in the sports. Here it's like world's colliding. Here is Coco Golf talking about the climate extinction protest during the US Open Women's semi final.
It is what it is. I think that in moments like this, yeah, are history defining moments. And like I said, I prefer it not to happen in my match. But I wasn't pissed that, you know, the protesters. I mean, I know the stadium was because it just interrupted entertainment. But you know, I always speak about preaching about what you feel and what you believe in, and it was done in a peaceful way, so I can't get too mad of it. Obviously, I don't want it to happen when I'm a winning up six four to one zero. I wanted the momentum to keep going. But hey, if that's what they felt that they needed to do, they get their voices heard. I can't really get upset at it.
I just wonder, Clay, you know, if the Chicago Bulls were playing a basketball game at home and I, like, you know, ran out in the middle of the court and like super glued my chest to the to the center court because I want to bring attention to the horrific continuous gun violence in Chicago and people shooting each other in unimaginable numbers weekend after weekend. Would people like Cocoa gall or other athletes anywhere across the political I mean the athletic spectrum, any any NBA players, will they say, yeah, what he did. I know it's annoying for the people in the stands, but what he did is really meant to save lives and bring attention to an important topic.
I'm just putting that out there.
No, I mean, and this is when I would blow people's mind back during the Colin Kaepernick protest, which thankfully have essentially ended.
But I would always say, look, I think it's.
A bad idea to protest anything in uniform at work. I just think unless you're in the political sphere, you should try to do your best entertain I said, And if you disagree with me, imagine what the reaction in San.
Francisco would have been. And this was before Roe v. Wade was overturned.
But I would say, what if Colin Kaepernick took a knee and said he refused to stand for the national anthem because he didn't think abortion should be the law of the land. Or what if he refuse to stand for the national anthem because he didn't think that gay marriage should be legal. All of those people in San Francisco who want make Colin Kaepernick the patron saint of their political beliefs would have immediately demanded that Colin Kaepernick be fired. And it would blow people's mind because most people like free speech when the speech reinforces what they already believe. But as soon as a free speech says something they don't like, well, then it's a threat. It shouldn't be allowed. And this is why you have to stand on principle over politics. And my principle was, yeah, I just I don't care about anybody's politics when I want to watch a sporting event and I love I didn't even know this was going on till this morning. I got up, I woke up buck, and I read about it, and I saw it and I was like, oh, this sounds like it was kind of crazy. I went to a seventh grader's football game last night, and then we went to dinner right afterwards, and then I watched the NFL game between the Lions and the Chiefs, which I imagine a lot of our listeners did, who are NFL fans and are sports fans, But I bet there was a lot of people watching that tennis match too. And this is what I've always said, like, you don't if I come to watch Spider Man, I don't watch Spider Man to come out before the movie and say, hey, guys, I just want to tell you about what I think about the Ukraine War. Like I appreciated Spider Man, like you're entitled to your opinion. I came to watch you like throw webs and catch bad guys. And I feel the same way about entertainment in general and anything that takes me out of enjoying the match. Forty nine minutes, a long time that it took to get these idiots like cleaned off the court. That's bonkers. I would be furious if that happened and I was there. I remember there was an incident in DC in the Trump administration, and this happened a number of times, but this one particularly stuck out of my mind where a bunch of antifstyle maniacs, antifstyle maniacs are going after Ted Cruz and they're going after Ted Cruz and the restaurant felt so badly because Ted Creus Senator Cruz left. The restaurant felt so badly that they decided to bring Senator Ted Cruz back and like, you know, make make it all better, because they felt like they had an obligation to him as a customer in that situation. I think it was Fiola in DC that did this. I might have the fuela mare. I could be wrong. I think that was the restaurant DC, So pardon me if I got that wrong, But I.
Remember that and thinking, yeah, that's your that's kind of your obligation to the customer. Okay, if you're at the US Open, some people have paid everyone for this kind of a match, you're paying hundreds of dollars per seat, and some people are paying thousands of dollars per seat, and for your enjoyment and your situation to be interrupted by you know, forty nine minutes. The stadium seems to know that that's they have an obligation to try to have a good event and a good time for all who were all.
Who are there. I think the athletes should feel that way too.
I think the athletes should be like guys, people came out to pay money to see us play great tennis. They didn't come out to see your stupid politics do that crap somewhere else. So I totally disagree.
Yeah, and the fact that she came out and endorsed it, unfortunately on some level, probably emboldens these guys to take action like this going forward. And by the way, I don't think it's just athletics. The other analogy I used to love is, hey, if you're going out to McDonald's. Imagine if you walk up to the front desk at McDonald's and you say, hey, I'd like to order a big Mac. A lot of you probably are ordering big Macs across the country right now during your lunch break, right go through the drive through, whatever it is, and when you get up there to get your big mac, if the person working there said, hey, here's your hamburger, but just so you know, meat his murder, I'll be like, yeah, you know what, I kind of just wanted a hamburger. I didn't want to know your personal opinion on whether or not it's okay to kill animals right to eat them. And if that happened, I think McDonald's would fire the worker and it would be justified, and every one of you out there would nod along and say, yeah, you know, if you're an anti meat person, McDonald's probably not the best place for you to work. Part of the job is you're going to have to pass hamburgers to customers and they don't want to hear meets murder, and I just I think we've lost our way in the way that that has discussed, and I think social media buck has made it so that it's you feel like you have to weigh in on every topic. A lot of these athletes do, and I think in the process, what they're slowly learning is they're alienating substantial segments of people that would otherwise love them. I still think the smartest quote of the modern sports era, and I wrote my last book using this quote. Michael Jordan, when asked why he didn't get political, said Republicans by sneakers too, And as result, Michael Jordan is, as I speak to you today, the most popular American athlete in the entire country still and he's been retired for twenty years because everybody could see some version of themselves in him. What he sold was his excellence on the basketball court, not his opinions off of it, and most people want to buy in to excellence on the court. Now sometimes, like look, it becomes so intertwined. I give credit Novak Djokovic is still alive in the US Open right buck. He spoke out on the COVID shot, but they made him have to do that because he otherwise wasn't going to be eligible to play. Last year, he couldn't come to the US Open. He took a stand, but that directly related to his ability to go on to the court. Sometimes it is impossible to avoid, but that is rare. And again I give credit to Novak for actually being willing to lose out on the opportunity to win a Grand Slam tournament because he rightly pointed out that the COVID shot for a young, healthy guy who'd already had it made zero sense. So once again, you think you can enjoy a sporting event, you think you can watch these things, and I'm sure enough so many of the individuals involved that seems would rather take it as an opportunity to lecture the people that look, I do not watch the NBA anymore because of the politics that the NBA took in recent years.
Full stop, don't watch, no interest, don't care NFL. I mean I tuned it out for a while. I'm now willing to watch it on occasion, but I can certainly understand the appeal, for example, for a lot of people of really focusing and more on college football, which is something that I know you like a whole heck of a lot. So college football seems to have less of these toxic politics.
So I think it's important, folks, don't no. I mean, I'm sitting it's so funny. I was like, I just wanted to make fun of the climate protesters. I'm like, oh, on the athlete who won, she did an amazing job. She's such a superstar in the making, and it's like, yeah, she thinks they were cool.
She likes the protesters. Really, folks. Just when you think.
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