Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast. Fascinating to see what stories the media focuses on day in and day out, because it tells you so much about their worldview or their politics in a whole range of ways, and certainly in the aftermath of a horrific mass shooting, whether they decide that this story deserves wall to wall coverage is a political call to action and is something that should be used to shame their political opponents, irrespective of really what the facts are of the situation. That is something that we see happening time and time again. I bring it up because right now, Clay and I talked to you yesterday about the shooting that occurred over the weekend at a dance hall where you had ten people who were murdered by this guy who was just a disgruntled, disgruntled, deeply unhappy person who just turned to the worst kind of evil, killed ten people and was going to kill more. He moved to a second location. I actually shared this clip on Twitter. It's it's remarkable. Brandon SI was on scene there and he was the individual, the hero who this guy is reloading. Now I know a lot of people think, oh, I would have done this too. A lot of people would freeze. You've got somebody who has I think it has been repeatedly described as a pistol, but it's or rather as an assault rifle in the media, But it's really a pistol with a folding stock, I think. But either way it's it's illegal under technically a pistol of the folding stock illegal under California law. This guy, Brandon Si, essentially rushed the shooter, who you can, I think safely assume otherwise would have been able to kill another ten, fifteen, twenty people who were helpless, defenseless at this So this guy saved a lot of lives. But that shooting occurred over the weekend, and as we know, the Democrats immediately jumped into the oh, this is a hate crime. And I don't just mean in general Democrats, top legislators, senators, Democrats associated closely with the Bide administration in the White House. There was another shooting over the last few days. Seven people. Seven people were killed in this shooting. And this shooting also involved an Asian American elderly, a person, yeah, a person of Asian dissent, A Chinese agricultural laborer sixty seven years old, so he's almost a senior citizen who was in the San Francisco area Half Moon Bay, went into his work facility and just started murdering people. Shot seven people in cold blood. Now that came seventy two hours after the other individual who actually killed eleven people. Excuse me, one of them additionally succumbed to injuries. I'll kill the eleven people at a lunar New Year's celebration in Monterey Park, which is near Los Angeles. Two major mass shootings by two Asian assailants, one of whom already a believe committed suicide in the car right during the standoff, so he won't face any trial. But two shootings, mass shootings Asian assailants, and the media interest on this is minimal because it's not an opportunity to try to find some tie into Trump and MAGA and white supremacy and all this other stuff. And one of the one of the big lives Clay the media pushes about shooting a mass shootings, in particular mass shootings of three or more people, is that this is the it's disgruntled white males who do this this is what you'll always hear. It's actually not true. It's not true because if you look at the data, what you see is that when it comes to mass shootings, the ethnicity of the shooter is essentially totally in line with their percentage of the population. So mass shooters are spread evenly among all they're all male, but among all demographics white, Hispanic, Black, Asian. But yet the media likes to push this storyline of it's you know, angry white males or you know, white supremacists who are the ones who are doing all of this, which I think is why they're not really talking about. Once again, they two mass shootings, seventeen or eighteen people killed, you would think like this would be wall to wall coverage. No, it vanishes if it's not a white guy. And this is the this is the truth. I mean, all of you out there listening know that if there isn't an opportunity to tie this into white supremacy or to far right extremist culture, then the story just automost automatically vanishes. And the one that is maybe the most emblematic of this to me, buck is the shooting that happened in Colorado at Boulder. Remember, they thought that that was a white guy, just based on pictures that came out of a guy who looked like he was white in terms of you could see his skin, and then it ended up being that he was Middle Eastern and the story almost immediately vanished. So they initially said, oh, look, another crazy white guy goes in and kills a bunch of people in Boulder, Colorado, and you could actually track the story and how much attention it was getting. And then as soon as it came out that he was of Middle Eastern descent, the story vanished, and a lot of you probably haven't heard anything about that shooting in Colorado since. Yeah, there is something deeply disturbing when you look at when you really dive into it, when you pay attention into it. The the democrat liberal mind has an obsession with the denigration of of whiteness all the time, and particularly from white liberals. They this is this is a a false virtue signaling fixation that they have with how the evils of whiteness. And you see this as it is evidenced by media coverage of these these mass shootings we're talking about. We all know if the if, the if, the mass instead of saying there are evil people and deeply violently mentally ill people who are spread through all populations, which is true, and understanding that there are going to be people that from from all different ethnic groups that are mass shooters that's going to happen, which is what the data all shows. Instead of looking honestly at that issue because there's no political advantage in it, they try to skew the issue toward all mass shooter You see this, by the way, I mean, they'll even be blue check commentators. There's a mass shooter and the guy's white. They say, oh, it's always a white mass shoot It's just not true. Yeah, but this is this is one of the lies that they believe and one of the lies that they repeat. And unfortunately a lot of people you and I make a living knowing what actually happens and what the data actually is. A lot of people see, oh, okay, well, CNN says, you know another another white, you know, male shooter, and this is all the mass shooters or white males. It's not It's not reality. And that's why I think, you know, you have to remember the mindset during the War on Terror era, we used to call the g Watt the Global War on Terror, and then they try to get rid of that term. The Obama administration came in and they wanted to call this is the fight against al Qaeda and you know later ISIS and all this stuff. They wanted to call it something like Overseas Continuency Operations against Violent Radical Extremism. I'm not kidding. It was actually something that was so long. I remember sitting in Langley when when the obamaministration came in and we're all our asses off because it was we're like, that's this is ridiculous. This is an encyclopedia. This isn't a you know, an operation discussion. But I remember there was there was a belief that to service the narrative of oh, we're so scared about Islamophobia, they would always downplay when there was a terrorist incident. You know, oh, we don't know, we don't know if this person is a Muslim, we don't know what their belief system is. And they would do this and we all kind of knew, like usually the guy screaming a lot of walk Barns on video and he's shooting something up, you kind of know right away. I think there's a similar mentality among a lot of the democratic line media now, which is, let's not focus too much on the mass shot, on any mass shooting that doesn't evolve a white perpetrator, because we have to tackle the problem of white male mass shooters because they're the ones that do it all the time. It's incongruent. It's what's the phrase, I'm dre cognitive dissonance. Yeah, they can't handle it and pay attention to this. I mean, we had the Walmart shooter, was a black guy right in Virginia, went in shot up the place. We had also in Virginia, in the same way that we have the double Asian shooter. We had the former football player at the University of Virginia who went and shot several of his teammates. Two black mass shootings in Virginia in like short concert. Now you've got two Asian mass shooting in short concert. The stories will vanish, but you still hear a lot of talk about the Buffalo shooting. Right, racist white guy goes into a black supermarket, kills people there, and they choose which stories to emphasize. To your point, first of all mass shootings, if we eliminated every mass shooting, and I think this is important. Ninety eight percent of murders would still be happening. So we have this idea out there that mass shooting is a huge part of the national murder rate. It's actually the case that if we eliminated them, forty nine out of fifty murders would still be happening in this country. You know, that's also true of a part of an issue. It's also true about modern sporting rifles aka assault rifles. You banned assault rifles, ninety eight percent of shooting still happen. Yeah, but they're you know, they're obsessed with you know why, because they view gun control. Yes, ultimately they want to stop they want to eliminate the final stop gap against tyranny to the founding fathers and shrine of the Constitution. But every call by a Democrat for gun control in some way is meant to be a thumb in the eye of a white male Republican, AAR fifteen owner. And that's why Libs in Brooklyn and Santa Monica and Chicago and we're in DC, they get so excited about it because it's meant to be c somehow. You a law abiding own owner who lives in Texas and has you know seven a R fifteens and loves to go to the range. You're the problem. It's a neuroses that they have to do this. They want to poke those people in the chest and blame them for mass shootings by lunatics that have nothing to do with those individuals. But that's it's just meant to be a political cudgel. That's how the exception to this rule buck that I would point to is the shooting in Texas, and the school shooting is such a unique circumstance. The Hispanic shooter there they covered. Obviously u vil Day got a massive amount of attention because of who the victims were and where that shooting occurred, but otherwise the focal point is always on white guys. That was also on the list of the biggest police failures of all time, you know, up there with the FBI response to Waco. Up there. You know, people talk about Ruby Ridge and Waco and uval Day is a place of abject law enforcement failure, and you know, you would hope that there'd be important lessons learned from it, if that's possible for you know, for future law enforcement generations. All Right, so my friends switching gears here. 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We bring in now our buddy Annie McCarthy, who is doing an incredible job breaking down so much of the legal related issues all around the absurdity of classified documents and beyond. Fox News contributor, former federal prosecutor at the Southern District of New York he spent over twenty years there, wrote a book Ball of Collusion, the plot to rigging election and destroy a presidency. And like me, he also had sorry Buffalo fans and also fans of the Dallas Cowboys. You had a Bill's Cowboys super Bowl that went up in smoke on Sunday as well. I did, Clay, And you know, I feel terrible about this because I hate both teams. I just you know, but I thought they were I thought they were getting hot at the right time. So who knows? Do you think before we get into serious stuff, do you think Tom Brady's going to retire or do you think he'll come back? No, I think I think he's going to play another year. I think he could still He'd have to be like in the right offense, right, because he could still really throw the ball. He's got. You know, he's not what he used to be, but it's like that's like saying, like each roo's only hitting three oh five, you know, I mean, he's still really pretty good. I think I think he's going to end up down in Miami where Bucks been in part of the year. Now, I think he's going to be another Miami and more Miami people. I think he's going to play for the dolphins. That's my prediction. Yeah, a lot of reports about that today that he's like, look, you're checking out schools and stuff like that, so we'll see, Yeah, we'll see. All right, So let's dive into Mike Pennce today comes out and says he's got classified documents. The continued fallout five different times Joe Biden has been caught with classified documents. What's your take on the big picture question here of whether anybody's going to get charged with anything related to these classified documents. I don't think anybody's going to get charged. But if, like I think we've discussed before, if you would ask me that question like two and a half weeks ago, I would say, you know, Trump was one hundred percent going to be charged. Yeah, I was with you. I think anyone will be. But my other, I mean, my other big picture impression. I couldn't help this, but I'm I'm reminded. I guess this is because I'm getting too old, but I'm reminded of the Clinton Lyinsky stuff where the Democrats refrain throughout those years, was everybody does it? And I'm like, well, no, everybody doesn't have sex with interns in the White House. But maybe everybody does do this. I don't. It's starting to look at that. Why isn't it Andy? You know, you may have seen yesterday there was an arrest of a former top FBI official who oversaw counterintelligence in New York City. I don't know if you guys ever crossed paths in your day, but Charles McGonagall is facing charges of money laundering. I think, among others that he took money from a former Albanian intelligence employee and a representative of the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska. A lot of people see this and they say, so one of the guys, who if you were involved at that level of counterintelligence in New York City, the FBI office in New York City, you certainly were aware of the Trump Russia collusion investigations and things going on there. So somebody who would have been overseeing the fake Russia collusion investigation of Trump has now been charged with colluding with Russians to evade US money laundering loss. Yeah, that's exactly right. And Buck I was reminded you guys were kind enough to mention my book in the intro. I wrote a lot in the book about Darra Pasca including the fact that number one, the FBI tried to flip him in with the twenty sixteen before the Trump stuff ever got rolling, and that was the reason they were dealing with Steele at the time, because Steele was working for Tera Pasca while the FBI was taking information from him that ended up in the Steel Dosier, which I thought, in and of itself was remarkable. And you know, the funny thing with Derri Pasca was apparently the Bureau. One of the reasons the Bureau soured on the whole idea of turning him is when he sat down with them, they pitched him on this on the Trump putin conspiracy, and he was like, what are you talking about this? No, Trump putin conspiracy, which was apparently that was not what the party line was at the time. But I'm just I can't help I mean, it's terrible for the FBI, but I can't help but be amused by, you know, the way these guys, you know, seem to change on a dime. So like, you know, first they're trying to flip Dera Pasca, then they're prosecuting Dera Pasca. Then the head of the Foreign counter Intelligence in New York is working for Derri Pasca. It it makes you dizzy, doesn't It Is the FBI something that we could dramatically reform in a meaningful way, Andy, I mean a lot of people ask me this all the time, and I know some people in the rivals say, oh, we got to tear it down to the studs and start anew. Well, if you're gonna have federal laws, you've gotta you're gonna have a federal law enforcement agency, so you know, remolding the f You know, people think, oh, we have a DNI and we had NCTC and all these things. You know, we didn't need all that, right, you're just creating more bureaucracy to paper over the failures of the bureaucracy you had before. Could we do something within the FBI? I mean, can there be a house cleaning that that would be meaningful? I think there could buck if they were serious about it, like if they really went about it, uh, in a church committee type style. I'm not I'm not a big fan of the outcomes of the Church Committee, but like the driving force behind it, those spying scandals and the you know, the sixties into the eighties, those were good reasons to have that um Committee, and if they you know, I think, you know, if you throw out the streams of both sides, like there's one side on the left that wants to be fund all police and really doesn't believe in prosecution at all, and then there's people on the right who I think unrealistically think that we could get on without a federal police force. I just think the way society is and the way the law is now, you have to have a federal police force. It doesn't have to be the FBI, but we have to have one. So if you toss those people aside, I think there's enough people in the broad middle on both sides who have gripes about the current FBI, and maybe that's the makings if people could if we still have a capability in Washington of people like like being grown ups with respect to a problem that everybody understands as a problem. I mean my own view of it. You and I I think have talked about this before. I think the Bureau after nine to eleven became too much of an intelligence agency, and it started to be an intelligence agency with the police sideline. And they're very you know, I think intelligence work is very important. Police work is very important, but they're very different. And if you become an intelligence agency, it really damages your dedication to civil rights, which police have to keep like in the front of their minds. And I think that's what's really hurt the FBI. I would take their counter intelligence mission away from them. Andy, I want you to take me into what a search of Joe Biden's home would have required, at least in your mind from a sort of procedural mechanics perspective. It's one thing when you know Marlago, they show up at former President Trump's home and they raid that. But for a sitting president to be essentially searched by his own Department of Justice's FBI is truly unprecedented. Is that something that Merritt Land signs off on? Is that something that is threatened if the Biden regime does not comply? Like who? I just don't even understand how that ends up happening. What do you think the mechanics and the procedures behind the scenes were like for this, Clay, I think that the big thing was Biden signing off on it, because you're quite right, you know, this is President Trump had a very exalted status because he's a former president, which is a big deal, but it doesn't have any political power, right, whereas the incumbent president is the only guy. I mean, you know, Justice Scalia taught us all this like thirty years ago, right or forty years ago. The only person with power in the executive branch is the president. Everybody else, including the Attorney general, and the executive branch is a delegate who exercises the president's power at the President's pleasure, and that includes the special counsel. Like they try to tell you they're getting an independent prosecutor, and there's no independent prosecutor in the United States prosecutions and executive function. Everybody answers to the president. So they couldn't have done this without Biden's signe off. It would have been insubordinate. And I think that's probably a big part of the reason why they didn't get a search warrant, which they certainly had legal grounds for, and why they cut a deal with Biden's lawyers that they were able to accompany the FBI as they did the search, which of course didn't happen in Trump's case. So I think the mechanics of this is Biden has to sign off on it, and then there's probably some limits that are negotiated about what they're allowed to look at or where they're allowed to look and then the lawyers went along with them as they went from from room to room in the house. Andy, So this basically goes where in your mind, I mean, how does all this end up? I mean, you saw Mike Pennce has classified documents at home too. This has crossed over into crazytown. Yeah, so I think that's a big part of why nothing's going to happen with this, because I think people are starting to think that, you know, if we now started to look at like, listen to what Biden's excuses here, right, he wants you to believe that it was sloppy AIDS who packed up his stuff and sent it to you know, and it turned out that classified information ended up in there, as if the AIDS had security clearances, right as if the AIDS when he was a senator went into the skip with him and are the ones who stole the document, you know, I mean, it's it's ridiculous, But I think this is such a culture of carelessness that if we started to search a lot of these guys, who knows what we would find and everybody kind of realizes that. So I think the Democrats badly want to prosecute Trump. Right, So if it was just Trump who had this problem, there'd be a very high chance that he'd be indicted. But now that it looks like Biden has it and Pence has it, and who knows, what will you know who's the next person we'll hear about. I don't think they're gonna I don't think they're going to get indicted. And I wonder if Pence having these documents is going to lessen the enthusiasm of the new Republican majority in the House to start asking a lot of aggressive questions, because I really think that's the only way we're going to find out anything here. That these special counsels are there to just say, you know, we're doing our investigation. We can't comment. So this whole thing is supposed to go into a black hole. Either the Republicans in the House use their subpoena power and conduct hearings. That's the only way we're going to find out anything. And I just wonder if they'll do that at this point. Andy, you mentioned earlier, and Buck and I both have this opinion. Now my opinion's changed. I thought they would charge Trump over the classified documents. I now think with you that they will not. I wonder if this classified documents scandal is becoming so all encompassing that it actually is going to make it harder for the Department of Justice to charge Trump for anything January sixth. They're related. Now, I presume you would think those were harder charges to bring in the first place. But do you think this overall mushroom cloud of incompetence that sort of is surrounding everything now is actually making it far less likely that anything January sixth related will also be brought against President Trump. That's a really interesting question. I hadn't thought about that. I've thought up until now that they look at January sixth and the Mara Lago documents as like two separate boxes that don't really have much to do with each other. Although I do think that if they had found at Mara Lago any documents that were incriminating with respect to the Capital Riot, they would certainly have used them. But I thought they were looking at that as like two separate trend I agree with you, by the way on that, but I thought the charges would actually be easier on the classified docs to prove and so, but it's such a mushroom cloud now that I almost feel like it implicates January sixth. Then I was just wondering if you thought so too, because in the mind of the public charging anybody now, when it looks like there could be, you know, potentially felonious behavior everywhere, feels kind of like a arbitrary and capricious application of the law. Yeah, I think there could be something to be said to that, But I still think that their big problem with January sixth is because Trump is not implicated in the violence, the only way that you make a federal case out of that is to criminalize John Eastman's legal theory, right, And I just think that this whole idea of going down the avenue of making a felony into frivolous legal theories is nuts. I mean, I don't think we want to live in that kind of a system. I know they're so rapid to get Trump that they'll probably overlook all that, But I've had hope that because they haven't done it up until now, that maybe Garland realizes this is like a really bad idea. Annie MacArthur, everybody look for his latest on National Review and also on Fox News. Andy. We always appreciate it, look forward to talking to you again. Thanks, guys. Have a good one, my friends. Anyone who has experienced the miracle of life and held a newborn in their arms knows how precious and innocent that little soul is. Completely dependent on you and your choices, including the one that brought them into this world. Preborn Pregnancy Clinics is a nationwide nonprofit organization helping women make the right choice with their pregnancy. Preborn's Clinics offer free ultrasounds for expectant moms to introduce them to the child they're caring. 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You can send us emails directly, the team reads them right away, they send them to us, and there's other perks and fun behind the scene thing seen things that you'll get from being a VIP subscriber at Clay and Buck dot com. Clay, they haven't had to call an all out stop to air traffic in a little while, so I guess the Biden's got that going forward tomorrow. Oh man, I forgot about that one. Sorry, you could blame me when your flight's delayed four hours because you know, not enough diversity and inclusion seminars have been completed by you know, the FAA or something. But Pete Buddha Judge is out there telling everybody. Remember, he's transportation secret I think it's fair to say the most consequential think about that term, though, the most consequential transportation secretary in recent memory. I'm saying he's good, but he certainly had consequences. Yeah, very much about transportation secretaries in the past, because everything just kind of worked and so it didn't matter. It's it's an interesting argument. You'd have to go back quite a ways to be able to or you have to ask a lot of people for them to even be able to rattle off a transportation secrety. I think. By the way, Langley, the George HW. Bush Intelligence Center is also right next to the Federal Highway Administration. So there's that for those of you who've ever had a tour of CIA headquarters. I didn't even I don't know Federal Highway Administration. I used to joke around. You know, that's that's where the real secret stuff's actually happening. Langley was all just a front. You know. It's like men and even tour. You can take a tour of the CIA. Uh, they used to do them. They don't really do them. I don't know. They kind of go back and forth on it. It's obviously super limited. You basically can like press sometimes will go into the lobby, or they have portraits of the former directors, the stars on the wall for fallen officers. But like that's it. You know, you're not you're not like hanging out with everybody that you could even walk around Langley like I wouldn't think. I know, you can tour the FBI. I've done the FBI tour before, but that's not really on its own camp. It's right down on its own campus. They have a couple of internal spy museums at the CIA where they have things, you know, World War two era oss stuff and things like that. So I think, you know, they're very limited tours you can do. But it's not, No, they don't. They don't bust. It's not like the Bronx su They're not sending bus loads of kids out there to you know, to go check out did you get adrenaline Rusha's working at the CIA, where you were like, oh, like, this is because people tend to have it. And I'll say this, people think when you practice a law that it's all like a time to kill, you know, and when they think of lawyers, and most of the time you're just like sitting in front of a computer pushing a button, you know, like over and over again to scroll through emails. So I'm just curious. Very similar, yeah, very similar reality. I used to say to people that being a CIA analyst, which is what I was doing, and there's other jobs. Case officers a very prominent role the people often will think of. It's written about a lot of books and talked about but to be a CIA analyst, which is what Jack Ryan was very handsome, played by Harrison Ford and now by John Krasinski. Just putting that out in Affleck I think also played him right, Ben Affleck. So you know, handsome CI analysts with great hair who live in Georgetown. That's like a thing. That's a thing that happens. But you know, it's it's I used to tell people it's eighty percent mundane, ten percent particularly crappy, and ten percent legitimately cool and badassy. So eighty percent of your hours are doing things that you're like, well, you know, I could be like I could be working in mutual of Omaha. You know, it's paperwork, it's meeting, that's whatever. Some of the training stuff you get to do. And then obviously going overseas it's a whole lot more interesting and you see a side of the world. I love reading, You love reading. So the information that you got to learn and have access to is itself interesting. But the job of a CIA analyst is like the job of an analyst anywhere else, massive amounts of information absorption and then synthesis into small usable bytes, in this case for the policy community. But it is it's a reading and writing job. Like, yeah, I did get weapons training and stuff, but it's really a reading and writing job, which is really very similar to being a lawyer, right, Like you're basically just synthesize arguments and try to and a little bit of what we do here, right, there's a voluminous amount of data that comes in every single day and we try to make sense of it for the larger or community. Yeah, being an intelligence officer, I always joke around people's actually very good training for being a doing media, being a writer, journalism. It's all very very similar. Back to Pete Boute judge for a second here though, because the most now increasingly, I think you could say, incompetent secretary of transportation that anybody can remember is out there reminding everyone that every decision about transportation is a climate change decision, Play twenty four. But we're looking at investments that are fair, that contribute to equitable economic growth, We're looking at climate impacts, because every transportation decision in the twenty first century is a climate decision, whether we recognize it or not. And thankfully, because we have such a big investment, you don't have to look at which states got funds from this infrastructure law and which ones didn't every single state. I believe we're already over three thousand bridges. So we're making sure, whether they're talking about big projects like this or smaller communities, that every part of America sees the benefit, because frankly, every part of America has a need. Just notice that whenever someone starts using the term equity and climate and climate equity and these things altogether. This is the language of the modern day American commissar, sort of like in the Soviet Union when there's always talk of the revolution and the need for the workers and all that stuff. Equity, climate, this is the secular religion of America today, and Pete Buddha Judge is one of its priests. I think that's well said. I'm also genuinely curious about what his future is. So he's not a very good transportation secretary. He's relocated to Michigan. There's obviously a Senate seat that is opening in Michigan. But if he ran for the Senate and lost, it would certainly dent his ambitions going forward. He probably in the back of his mind thinks, Okay, I'm going to run against Kamala and beat her in twenty eight because we think Biden's going to run in twenty four, but is he going to be Transportation secretary for eight years? I gotta say I think. I think in a head to head matchup, I think Kamala Harris for the Democrat nomination beats Pete Bouda Judge. I think Pete Bouddha Judge has a zero percent chance of being nominated because he's gay. And I don't mean that because I think there's some massive anti gay sentiment in the country that will prevent him from being elected. I mean him getting the Democrat nomination because there's lots of black guys that aren't going to vote for a gay white guy to be the nominee for the Democrat Party. And it's like they won't talk about it, but you look at the data. He didn't get any support from minority voters. Pete Mayor Pete is the woke white liberal selection right, A lot of woke white people like him, but it doesn't actually connect with the huge percentage of the overall electorate. I think he'd probably have to be VP, and then maybe he's Kamala's VP, and we have the Diversity and Inclusion Ticket officially out there for twenty twenty eight. The conversation continue on the Clay and Buck podcast feed Go subscribe today, We'll talk to you tomorrow. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are joined now by Mike Pompeo, seventieth Secretary of State, former CIA director under Donald Trump, his new book, Never Given Inch, Fighting for the America I love and Secretary Pompeo, you probably didn't expect this would be the lead question. But given that Mike Pence has classified documents, and given that Donald Trump has classified documents and Joe Biden has classified documents, do you have classified documents? Have have you gone back through papers in the way all this? What do you make of everybody seeming to have classified documents? Oh, my goodness, foot one a mess. No, I don't believe that anything that's classified. Anybody who has that, they should turn it back in what a mess. Classified documents should stay in the places they're supposed to be. And just as importantly, if it turns out that somehow they where they weren't supposed to be, you should give them back, and then you should be as transparent as you can about what the heck it happened. By the way, you shouldn't say you don't have regrets. If someone as classified information in my home or near my corvette corvette, I promise you I wouldn't say I didn't have any regrets. I would regret it deeply that I'd screwed up in that way. Secretary Pompeo, it's buck wanted to ask you about the reports on Abrams tanks possibly being provided to Ukraine by the US. A lot of the people you're you're speaking now who are listening all across the country served in a Rock and Afghanistan. We have a lot of veterans in this audience, a lot of active duty military, and I hear from them all all the frequently about their concerns that we're getting deeper and deeper into the Ukraine fight. Where one, do you think the Abrams tank should be provided? And then where would you draw the line on US support for the fight against Russia. Well too things. I do think that that equipment should be providing if Ukrainians can make use of it and it can help them push back against invasion by Vladimir Putin, it's in America's best interest to do so. They haven't asked for To your point, I'm a veteran too. I served as a young soldier and then East German Communist border. I worry about American getting too deeply involved. But the best way to keep American soldiers from having to fight in Europe, or to fight against Russia or China any place, is to make sure that when there's an authoritarian invades a place like Ukraine, and they haven't asked for the eighty second Airborne, they haven't asked Promotorized Raffle Division. All they said is can you send us stuff? We ought to provide them with the stuff that we can that they can use, that they can be trained on, that are actually going to deliver against the mission set. It's the only way to end Putin's invasion of Europe. Secretary Pompeo a lot of talk lately about twenty twenty four, who's running, what the time frame is to run. If you are going to run for president, when would you announce and are you exploring for president now? So my wife and I are praying about it, trying to figure out if this is the next place for us to go serve. As for timeline, we kind of think the Lake Spring early summer is probably when she and I will have to turn from prayer to action, and we decide to get in head to Iowa and Hampston's after Carolina to make our case to the American people and if not find where it is, will next purfey if not an elected office. So that we're so go about yeah, so so far Donald Trump is in. Does that impact your thinking in any way given that you were a Secretary of State and served at the CIA under him? Or is it not even about who else is running from your determination? Now? It has nothing to do with who wealth ratens, mother, President Biden, rins deparment, President Trump or whoever. In the end, you must come to believe that this is the time and you have something that you cannot only offer the American people in terms of a policy agenda that delivers good outcomes for them, but that you have the tanasa that we're with the capability to actually deliver on those promises. If you believe those two things and it all works as a personal matter, you have an obligation to go make the kings and then like the American people start it all out speaking a Mike Pompeo, former CI director of former Secretary of State under Trump, and his book is out today, So our timing here on Clanbuck is always as excellent. Never Given Inch is the book and secretary of Pompeio. I kind of ask you because it's always fun whenever I see a book come out from from somebody on our side of things, to see what the media focus is on right away and they are drilling down into it's all over Twitter. Oh my gosh. Have you seen Mike Pompeo's book, which I guess in a sense this is kind of an unintentional advertisement they're doing. Have you seen his book, Never Given Inch? Because of what he says about the murdered journalist Jamal Kashogee, well, the Secretary, what did you say? And why are they all so upset about it? Oh? I don't know, I don't know what they're so upset about. The Washingtons has had an obsession about this. When I was in office, we made very clear the murder of Jamaica Shogi was nasty, it was heinous, which was sumptions thirteen Saudis for what they did. But We also knew that that person's life wasn't more important than the lives of Americans, life of American soldiers who were protecting us, And we weren't about to give up the partnership with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that was helping us keep the American economy going, keeping American security going. You can see what happens when you flipped the script prosen Biden said, oh, this is a prionation. He immediately had to go on bended knee to the Kingdom and Austin to produce just a little more crude oil. For we did not for a moment mistake the fact that this was a bad act. But we did not for a moment forget the putting America first was what really mattered most, and keeping America's secure men, keeping a relationship, a security relationship and a diplomatic relationship with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States Secretary Pompeio. There's a big debate now still ongoing about where COVID came from. You have worked in the CIA, you certainly served as Secretary of State. Do you think it's a settled question? What's your own opinion about where COVID came from. Was it a lab leak or was this a natural animal evolution of a virus. It's largely this settled question. This virus came from a laboratory where they were working on the virus and others like it in Wuhan, China, and it leaked accidentally from that lab, and then the Chinese Communist Party knowingly sent that virus across the world when it was inside of human beings on airplane, and they killed millions of people as a result of that decision. So what consequences should there be on China? And what do you think about people like doctor Fauci who are still saying, oh, I don't believe the lab leak theory happened. If you're correct, and I agree with you that this was a lab leak and that China tried to cover it up and also then basically spread this virus all over the world, it seems like there should be really severe consequences for them. And it also seems like it's kind of an important discussion to be having in the United States and not have somebody like doctor Fauci wagging his finger and saying the evidence doesn't support this, and how dare you even raise it as an issue? Well, the second one's easy, and doctor Faucci got this wrong from the beginning. Seen it debates on gain A function research is angles on the head of a pan. The truth is he knew that America was funding gain A function research in the laboratories in China. I can't explain why he's chosen it that. Perhaps it's money. I don't truly know, but I know this. I know he's wrong. I know that with near certainty that it came from that lab. You should know that lab is still up and operating and conducting the same kind of research it did before this thing leaked. Who knows when we will see that again? Which really gets your second question is what should the penalty be? How should we respond to that? There are lots of pieces to this. The challenge of the Chinese Commist Party far extends beyond, far beyond the challenge of the Wuhan virus, and we have for forty years allowed the Chinese Communist Party to be at war with US, at least economic war, and we've turned the energy. One of the things I'm most proud of that I did a secondary States, we confronted the Chinese Communist Party in a serious way. We understood its ideology, we understood its economic motive, and we began to put real restrictions on their capacity to do harm to the American people. Secretary State Pompeio, appreciate you joining us to talk to us about all this, and people should go check out the book Never give an Informer Secretary POMPEII, I appreciate you, sir, gentlemen, thank you. I'm a good day. Thank you. Rising inflations out there, friends, You see it. Things are really expensive, going to get more expensive depending on where you are, what sector you're in. Plus there's some big layoffs coming. Stock markets volatile. Things are rough right now. You're a retirement account. Look what's going on last couple of years until all this uncertainty turns around and things look better ahead. The Phoenix Capital Group is making suggestion for all of you diversify your investments now. 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