Chuck begins with analysis of the Trump administration's tariff implementation and personnel changes, including Mike Waltz's removal as national security advisor and Marco Rubio's expanding role within the administration. 

Then, he’s joined by Oren Cass, a leading conservative economic thinker, on America's trade policy and the challenges of reindustrialization. Cass argues that while tariffs and reindustrialization may be sound concepts, the Trump administration's implementation has been completely counter-productive. They discuss how traditional right-of-center thinking on free trade has evolved, questions whether China's integration into global markets has delivered promised benefits, and explores the regional winners and losers of trade agreements like NAFTA.

Cass tackles questions about America's trade deficit, consumer willingness to pay more for domestic products, and whether reshoring manufacturing is practical for the American economy. The conversation examines the national security implications of trade agreements, the potential for losing allies to China's influence, and what realistic reindustrialization might look like in today's economy.

Finally, Chuck answers listener questions on the executive branch's guardrails, expectations for "Resistance 2.0," potential federal intervention in college sports, and whether media scrutiny of public officials' backgrounds has gone too far.

00:00 Introduction

02:00 If tariffs actually are a good idea, the way they’ve been implemented hasn’t given it a chance to succeed

03:30 The administration is only interested in communicating to their base

07:30 What should we take away from Mike Waltz being removed as national security advisor?

08:55 Marco Rubio is now holding four jobs in the administration

09:45 Rubio has earned Trump’s trust

13:15 Is the new model to move staff to new roles rather than fire them?

15:15 Abigail Spanberger may have had the best 100 days of any Democrat

17:55 Wes Moore announces he won’t run in 2028

20:35 Oren Cass joins the Chuck ToddCast! 

22:35 Tools for achieving re-industrialization 

23:35 Tariffs and reindustrialization is a good idea, Trump's rollout has been disastrous 

25:35 The U.S. needs credible and sustainable trade policy 

27:20 Right of center thinking for 40 years was simply "Free trade is good" 

29:05 Has free and open trade been a net positive worldwide? 

30:35 Does trade policy of the early 20th century make sense in the 21st century 

32:20 Bringing China into the world market didn't lead to liberalization 

33:50 Will we be forced to cut an unfavorable trade deal with China? 

36:35 Wouldn't it make sense that the US had a trade deficit based on our consumption? 

38:35 If we aren't selling other countries goods we produce, they buy our assets and debt 

40:50 NAFTA produced winners and losers regionally in the United States 

41:50 What could we have done differently to minimize the negative impacts of NAFTA? 

44:35 Production has shifted from country to country based on lower costs 

46:05 Will American consumers actually be willing to pay more for American made products? 48:50 How can we unwind globalization without severely damaging the U.S. economy? 

50:50 The Toyota Camry has more American made parts than the Detroit built cars 

52:35 Does reshoring low-cost manufacturing make sense for consumers and American businesses? 

53:50 Will poor implementation of policy hurt the goal of reshoring manufacturing? 

56:35 How do you weigh the benefits of national security provided by trade agreements? 1:01:05 Does America risk losing allies to China's sphere of influence? 

1:02:05 Should our allies get a better deal than those that are unaligned or adversarial? 

1:04:15 Does more trade equal less war? 

1:07:05 What type of reindustrialization is realistic and what isn't? 

1:10:05 Lack of competition has led to problems with Boeing 

1:12:35 How long will it take to reindustrialize? 

1:13:35 Would TPP have furthered the goal of isolating China?

1:16:35 Chuck's thoughts on the interview Oren Cass 

1:17:27 Ask Chuck 

1:17:35 Were the guardrails on the executive branch always this frail? 

1:20:35 What do you expect out of Resistance 2.0? 

1:21:30 Will the federal government intervene in college sports? 

1:22:50 Does the media go too deep into the background of public officials prior to their public service?

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Chuck begins with analysis of the Trump administration's tariff implementation and personnel changes, including Mike Waltz's removal as national security advisor and Marco Rubio's expanding role within the administration. Then, he’s joined by Oren Cass, a leading conservative economic thinker, on America's trade policy and the challenges of reindustrialization. Cass argues that while tariffs and reindustrialization may be sound concepts, the Trump administration's implementation has been completely counter-productive. They discuss how traditional right-of-center thinking on free trade has evolved, questions whether China's integration into global markets has delivered promised benefits, and explores the regional winners and losers of trade agreements like NAFTA.Cass tackles questions about America's trade deficit, consumer willingness to pay more for domestic products, and whether reshoring manufacturing is practical for the American economy. The conversation examines the national security implications of trade agreements, the potential for losing allies to China's influence, and what realistic reindustrialization might look like in today's economy.Finally, Chuck answers listener questions on the executive branch's guardrails, expectations for "Resistance 2.0," potential federal intervention in college sports, and whether media scrutiny of public officials' backgrounds has gone too far.00:00 Introduction02:00 If tariffs actually are a good idea, the way they’ve been implemented hasn’t given it a chance to succeed03:30 The administration is only interested in communicating to their base07:30 What should we take away from Mike Waltz being removed as national security advisor?08:55 Marco Rubio is now holding four jobs in the administration09:45 Rubio has earned Trump’s trust13:15 Is the new model to move staff to new roles rather than fire them?15:15 Abigail Spanberger may have had the best 100 days of any Democrat17:55 Wes Moore announces he won’t run in 202820:35 Oren Cass joins the Chuck ToddCast! 22:35 Tools for achieving re-industrialization 23:35 Tariffs and reindustrialization is a good idea, Trump's rollout has been disastrous 25:35 The U.S. needs credible and sustainable trade policy 27:20 Right of center thinking for 40 years was simply "Free trade is good" 29:05 Has free and open trade been a net positive worldwide? 30:35 Does trade policy of the early 20th century make sense in the 21st century 32:20 Bringing China into the world market didn't lead to liberalization 33:50 Will we be forced to cut an unfavorable trade deal with China? 36:35 Wouldn't it make sense that the US had a trade deficit based on our consumption? 38:35 If we aren't selling other countries goods we produce, they buy our assets and debt 40:50 NAFTA produced winners and losers regionally in the United States 41:50 What could we have done differently to minimize the negative impacts of NAFTA? 44:35 Production has shifted from country to country based on lower costs 46:05 Will American consumers actually be willing to pay more for American made products? 48:50 How can we unwind globalization without severely damaging the U.S. economy? 50:50 The Toyota Camry has more American made parts than the Detroit built cars 52:35 Does reshoring low-cost manufacturing make sense for consumers and American businesses? 53:50 Will poor implementation of policy hurt the goal of reshoring manufacturing? 56:35 How do you weigh the benefits of national security provided by trade agreements? 1:01:05 Does America risk losing allies to China's sphere of influence? 1:02:05 Should our allies get a better deal than those that are unaligned or adversarial? 1:04:15 Does more trade equal less war? 1:07:05 What type of reindustrialization is realistic and what isn't? 1:10:05 Lack of competition has led to problems with Boeing 1:12:35 How long will it take to reindustrialize? 1:13:35 Would TPP have furthered the goal of isolating China?1:16:35 Chuck's thoughts on the interview Oren Cass 1:17:27 Ask Chuck 1:17:35 Were the guardrails on the executive branch always this frail? 1:20:35 What do you expect out of Resistance 2.0? 1:21:30 Will the federal government intervene in college sports? 1:22:50 Does the media go too deep into the background of public officials prior to their public service?(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements)

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Chuck Todd speaks with economist Oren Cass, who makes the intellectual case for Trump's tariffs and trade war.

Tariffs Gone Wrong? - Trump's Trade War Backfire

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