Charlie welcomes back to the show, Associate Editor of Chronicles Magazine and Contra Substack columnist, Pedro Gonzalez, for a philosophical discussion around the principles of power. Are elites inevitable? And if so, do you need elites to displace and successfully challenge incumbent elites? Why are incumbent elites so against Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter? Does his move violate any concepts or ideals of conservatism as publications like National Review suggest? Charlie and Pedro break down the tectonic shift that's taken place on the political right and within the Republican Party, when it comes to punishing foes and rewarding friends—a concept that doesn't sound very kind, but ultimately may prove necessary to successfully fight back against the new era of radical leftism. How long will it take for this conservative movement to take back institutional power from the gender theorists and the race hustlers? Finally Charlie plays a tape that evokes a "primal reaction" from Pedro that you don't want to miss.