Charlie once again welcomes Pedro Gonzalez, Associate Editor of "Chronicles Magazine," to discuss the curious case of Spencer Cox, the "Republican" governor of Utah. Armed with his exclusive reporting, Pedro explains exactly how someone so progressive has become the governor of such a red state. By drawing the connection between woke capital, a flood of technology firms, and the lurch of the LDS Church to the left, Utah is now firmly in the sites of the Democrat party. Who is Jeff Green? How does the LGBTQ agenda play into the subversion of the will of Republican voters? And who is backing Spencer Cox? Then there is Gov. DeSantis. What makes him so different? Why is he wiling to stand up to corporate juggernauts like Disney when so many other "Republicans" cave to their demands? Finally, Charlie and Pedro discuss liberalism and whether or not classically liberal societies like our own are destined to destroy their own freedoms.

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