Did your CRM promise a utopia but delivered a fancy Rolodex with a UX degree?

Join Pete and Kat as they bravely poke the sacred cow of CRM and ask the tough questions like:

❓ Why does your telco need seven days and a séance to fix your modem? 
❓ Why does your virtual agent sound like a confused intern filling out a colour chart? 
❓ And why does it still take 5.2 days to solve a problem that should take 30 minutes?

It’s the CRM roast you didn’t know you needed - with real data, real frustration, and a really broken Wi-Fi modem.

🧠 Expect:

• Insights from the customer service research report 
• Tales of tech trauma and loyalty on life support 
• A vision for fixing the “messy middle” with workflow orchestration and GenAI 
• ...and a heartfelt plea: "Do it for Kat. Please. She’s still on hold."

Did your CRM promise a utopia but delivered a fancy Rolodex with a UX degree?
Join Pete and Kat as they bravely poke the sacred cow of CRM and ask the tough questions like:
❓ Why does your telco need seven days and a s&eacute;ance to fix your modem?&nbsp; ❓ Why does your virtual agent sound like a confused intern filling out a colour chart? ❓ And why does it still take 5.2 days to solve a problem that should take 30 minutes?
It&rsquo;s the CRM roast you didn&rsquo;t know you needed - with real data, real frustration, and a really broken Wi-Fi modem.
🧠 Expect:
&bull; Insights from the customer service research report &bull; Tales of tech trauma and loyalty on life support &bull; A vision for fixing the &ldquo;messy middle&rdquo; with workflow orchestration and GenAI &bull; ...and a heartfelt plea: "Do it for Kat. Please. She&rsquo;s still on hold."

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and digital transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we chat with the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change – no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.

Expect tales of automation magic, AI mishaps, platform glow-ups, and the occasional hot take on why legacy systems should come with hazard pay. It’s sharp, a little weird, and totally worth your coffee break. (Or wine break – we won’t judge. In fact, we’ll probably join you!)

This is transformation – with better banter.

Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and digital transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we chat with the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change &ndash; no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff. Expect tales of automation magic, AI mishaps, platform glow-ups, and the occasional hot take on why legacy systems should come with hazard pay. It&rsquo;s sharp, a little weird, and totally worth your coffee break. (Or wine break &ndash; we won&rsquo;t judge. In fact, we&rsquo;ll probably join you!) This is transformation &ndash; with better banter. Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The Change Agents Podcast

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we share insights from the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change – no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.

Expect practical advice onbusiness, digital and AI transformation, operational resilience, and tech modernisation - along with the challenges that come with replacing outdated systems and ways of working. Our focus is on sharing insights that matter: how organisations are adapting, where technology is enabling growth, and what leaders can learn from real transformation journeys.

If you’re interested in the future of work, AI in the enterprise, or building a sustainable digital transformation strategy, this podcast offers clear perspectives and actionable takeaways to help you shape what comes next.

Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we share insights from the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change &ndash; no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.
Expect practical advice on business, digital and AI transformation, operational resilience, and tech modernisation - along with the challenges that come with replacing outdated systems and ways of working. Our focus is on sharing insights that matter: how organisations are adapting, where technology is enabling growth, and what leaders can learn from real transformation journeys.
If you&rsquo;re interested in the future of work, AI in the enterprise, or building a sustainable digital transformation strategy, this podcast offers clear perspectives and actionable takeaways to help you shape what comes next.
Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

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