What’s the real difference between innovation and transformation—and why do so many leaders get it wrong? 🤔

In this episode, Kat and Pete break it down with simple analogies (including The Wizard of Oz 👠), real-world examples like Kodak, Netflix, and Uber, and a few laughs about gym memberships and ruby slippers along the way.

Key insights you’ll learn:

💡 Why innovation = new ways of doing things (products, services, customer experience) 
💡 Why transformation = the cultural, process, and technology shifts that make innovation stick 
💡 The dangers of “innovation without transformation” (and vice versa) 
💡 Practical tips for executives: how to measure success, empower people, and balance both for sustainable growth

Whether you’re a CEO, business leader, or transformation strategist, this conversation will help you rethink how to drive change, embrace AI, and build future-ready organizations.

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Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

What&rsquo;s the real difference between innovation and transformation&mdash;and why do so many leaders get it wrong? 🤔
In this episode, Kat and Pete break it down with simple analogies (including The Wizard of Oz 👠), real-world examples like Kodak, Netflix, and Uber, and a few laughs about gym memberships and ruby slippers along the way.
Key insights you&rsquo;ll learn:
💡 Why innovation = new ways of doing things (products, services, customer experience)&nbsp; 💡 Why transformation = the cultural, process, and technology shifts that make innovation stick 💡 The dangers of &ldquo;innovation without transformation&rdquo; (and vice versa)&nbsp; 💡 Practical tips for executives: how to measure success, empower people, and balance both for sustainable growth
Whether you&rsquo;re a CEO, business leader, or transformation strategist, this conversation will help you rethink how to drive change, embrace AI, and build future-ready organizations.
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Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and digital transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we chat with the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change – no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.

Expect tales of automation magic, AI mishaps, platform glow-ups, and the occasional hot take on why legacy systems should come with hazard pay. It’s sharp, a little weird, and totally worth your coffee break. (Or wine break – we won’t judge. In fact, we’ll probably join you!)

This is transformation – with better banter.

Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and digital transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we chat with the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change &ndash; no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff. Expect tales of automation magic, AI mishaps, platform glow-ups, and the occasional hot take on why legacy systems should come with hazard pay. It&rsquo;s sharp, a little weird, and totally worth your coffee break. (Or wine break &ndash; we won&rsquo;t judge. In fact, we&rsquo;ll probably join you!) This is transformation &ndash; with better banter. Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The Change Agents Podcast

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we share insights from the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change – no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.

Expect practical advice onbusiness, digital and AI transformation, operational resilience, and tech modernisation - along with the challenges that come with replacing outdated systems and ways of working. Our focus is on sharing insights that matter: how organisations are adapting, where technology is enabling growth, and what leaders can learn from real transformation journeys.

If you’re interested in the future of work, AI in the enterprise, or building a sustainable digital transformation strategy, this podcast offers clear perspectives and actionable takeaways to help you shape what comes next.

Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we share insights from the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change &ndash; no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.
Expect practical advice on business, digital and AI transformation, operational resilience, and tech modernisation - along with the challenges that come with replacing outdated systems and ways of working. Our focus is on sharing insights that matter: how organisations are adapting, where technology is enabling growth, and what leaders can learn from real transformation journeys.
If you&rsquo;re interested in the future of work, AI in the enterprise, or building a sustainable digital transformation strategy, this podcast offers clear perspectives and actionable takeaways to help you shape what comes next.
Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

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