If Caleb Hammer hosted a show for CIOs, this would be the episode. 💥

Kat and Pete sit down to deliver the roast every IT leader needs - unpacking how technical debt quietly drains innovation, creates risk exposure, and costs you 27% interest on every “quick fix”.

In this episode: 
🚨 Why tech debt isn’t an IT issue - it’s an organizational problem 
💸 The real cost of duplicate platforms, workarounds, and “Jimmy’s app” 
🧱 How to renovate your tech foundations without stopping innovation 
🤖 Why ignoring integration points will haunt your AI strategy 
🧭 Practical steps to measure, manage, and reduce tech debt for good If your IT architecture looks like a house with rotting walls - this is your sign to call an intervention.

🎧 Subscribe to The Change Agents Podcast for more brutally honest takes on digital transformation, AI, and the future of enterprise agility.

--- Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

If Caleb Hammer hosted a show for CIOs, this would be the episode. 💥
Kat and Pete sit down to deliver the roast every IT leader needs - unpacking how technical debt quietly drains innovation, creates risk exposure, and costs you 27% interest on every &ldquo;quick fix&rdquo;.
In this episode: 🚨 Why tech debt isn&rsquo;t an IT issue - it&rsquo;s an organizational problem 💸 The real cost of duplicate platforms, workarounds, and &ldquo;Jimmy&rsquo;s app&rdquo; 🧱 How to renovate your tech foundations without stopping innovation 🤖 Why ignoring integration points will haunt your AI strategy 🧭 Practical steps to measure, manage, and reduce tech debt for good If your IT architecture looks like a house with rotting walls - this is your sign to call an intervention.
🎧 Subscribe to The Change Agents Podcast for more brutally honest takes on digital transformation, AI, and the future of enterprise agility.
--- Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and digital transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we chat with the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change – no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.

Expect tales of automation magic, AI mishaps, platform glow-ups, and the occasional hot take on why legacy systems should come with hazard pay. It’s sharp, a little weird, and totally worth your coffee break. (Or wine break – we won’t judge. In fact, we’ll probably join you!)

This is transformation – with better banter.

Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and digital transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we chat with the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change &ndash; no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff. Expect tales of automation magic, AI mishaps, platform glow-ups, and the occasional hot take on why legacy systems should come with hazard pay. It&rsquo;s sharp, a little weird, and totally worth your coffee break. (Or wine break &ndash; we won&rsquo;t judge. In fact, we&rsquo;ll probably join you!) This is transformation &ndash; with better banter. Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The Change Agents Podcast

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we share insights from the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change – no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.

Expect practical advice onbusiness, digital and AI transformation, operational resilience, and tech modernisation - along with the challenges that come with replacing outdated systems and ways of working. Our focus is on sharing insights that matter: how organisations are adapting, where technology is enabling growth, and what leaders can learn from real transformation journeys.

If you’re interested in the future of work, AI in the enterprise, or building a sustainable digital transformation strategy, this podcast offers clear perspectives and actionable takeaways to help you shape what comes next.

Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

The podcast where work flows, buzzwords go, and transformation gets the side-eye it sometimes deserves. In each episode, we share insights from the change makers, risk takers, and quietly brilliant minds behind real change &ndash; no filters, no fluff, just the good stuff.
Expect practical advice on business, digital and AI transformation, operational resilience, and tech modernisation - along with the challenges that come with replacing outdated systems and ways of working. Our focus is on sharing insights that matter: how organisations are adapting, where technology is enabling growth, and what leaders can learn from real transformation journeys.
If you&rsquo;re interested in the future of work, AI in the enterprise, or building a sustainable digital transformation strategy, this podcast offers clear perspectives and actionable takeaways to help you shape what comes next.
Hosted by ServiceNow's human agents: Peter McDonnell, Chief Transformation Officer and Katrina Read, Director of Transformation APJ

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