In this conversation, Carl Jackson discusses the controversial topics surrounding welfare, specifically SNAP benefits, and the implications of illegal immigration on the welfare system. He argues for a return to a system where welfare is seen as temporary assistance and emphasizes the need for shame associated with dependency on government aid. Jackson also critiques the current immigration policies that allow illegal aliens to access welfare benefits, suggesting that this undermines the dignity of work and creates a class of dependents. He expresses concern over the impact of these policies on the middle class and the overall fabric of American society.

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