On this episode of The Callover, we are joined by acclaimed Australian writer Helen Garner. Known for her unflinching observations of human behaviour, her works Joe Cinque’s Consolation and This House of Grief are powerful accounts drawn from the courtroom.

Garner has also been asked to participate in workshops, helping judges refine their writing to improve clarity and accessibility.

In this conversation, she reflects on her fascination with the legal system, her observations from many hours spent in court rooms, and how storytelling, precision and clarity shape legal practice.

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/

On this episode of The Callover, we are joined by acclaimed Australian writer Helen Garner. Known for her unflinching observations of human behaviour, her works Joe Cinque&rsquo;s Consolation and This House of Grief are powerful accounts drawn from the courtroom.
Garner has also been asked to participate in workshops, helping judges refine their writing to improve clarity and accessibility.
In this conversation, she reflects on her fascination with the legal system, her observations from many hours spent in court rooms, and how storytelling, precision and clarity shape legal practice.
To find Georgia: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/</a>

The Callover is a Queensland Law Society podcast created by young lawyers, for young lawyers. The QLS Future Leaders Committee is dedicated to inspiring a generation of connected, capable and healthy young lawyers.  Join us, as we invite guests to share their experiences in the law, unpack issues relevant to young lawyers and gain some insights into the future of lawyering.

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Helen Garner: Where Law Meets Story

One of the most high-profile unlawful termination cases in recent years, Lattouf v Australian Broadcasting Corporation (No 2), thrust employment law into the national spotlight.

In this episode of The Callover, host Georgia Athanasellis is joined by Shannon Chapman, a Partner practising in employment, industrial relations and safety at Lander & Rogers, to unpack the decision and its wider implications.

With nearly two decades of experience, Shannon explains the background to the case, the Court’s reasoning, and what the decision means for both employees and employers, when it comes to political opinion, social media use, and conduct inside and outside of the workplace.

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/

One of the most high-profile unlawful termination cases in recent years, Lattouf v Australian Broadcasting Corporation (No 2), thrust employment law into the national spotlight.
In this episode of&nbsp;The Callover, host Georgia Athanasellis is joined by Shannon Chapman, a Partner practising in employment, industrial relations and safety at Lander &amp; Rogers, to unpack the decision and its wider implications.
With nearly two decades of experience, Shannon explains the background to the case, the Court&rsquo;s reasoning, and what the decision means for both employees and employers, when it comes to political opinion, social media use, and conduct inside and outside of the workplace.
To find Georgia: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/</a>

Lattouf v ABC: Shannon Chapman discusses Unlawful Termination, Political Opinion and the Modern Workplace 

Interpreters play a critical role in ensuring meaningful access to justice for people who speak languages other than English.

In the latest episode of The Callover, Brisbane-based court interpreter and forensic translator Carl Gene Fordham sat down with host Georgia Athanasellis to talk about the realities of interpreting in legal settings.

Their discussion shed light on the often-unseen role and explores when and how lawyers should engage interpreters, the practical realities of working with clients with limited English, and the challenges that can affect accuracy and fairness in legal proceedings.

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/

Interpreters play a critical role in ensuring meaningful access to justice for people who speak languages other than English.
In the latest episode of&nbsp;The Callover, Brisbane-based court interpreter and forensic translator Carl Gene Fordham sat down with host Georgia Athanasellis to talk about the realities of interpreting in legal settings.
Their discussion shed light on the often-unseen role and explores when and how lawyers should engage interpreters, the practical realities of working with clients with limited English, and the challenges that can affect accuracy and fairness in legal proceedings.
To find Georgia: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/</a>

The Language of Justice: Carl Gene Fordham on Interpretation, Fairness and the Courts

The Callover returns in 2026 with Terry O’Gorman, one of Queensland’s most persistent defenders of civil liberties.
 
As a young law student, Terry witnessed a confronting police crackdown during a protest in the Bjelke Petersen years. It set him on a path that would span five decades in criminal law and public advocacy.
 
In this episode, he talks through some of the moments that shaped his career, the lessons learned from fighting for his clients’ rights, and why he’s still speaking out.

Although retired from private practice, Terry remains deeply engaged in advocating for aspects of the law and its application that require improvement, like disclosure obligations in criminal proceedings.

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/

The Callover returns in 2026 with Terry O&rsquo;Gorman, one of Queensland&rsquo;s most persistent defenders of civil liberties. &nbsp; As a young law student, Terry witnessed a confronting police crackdown during a protest in the Bjelke Petersen years. It set him on a path that would span five decades in criminal law and public advocacy. &nbsp; In this episode, he talks through some of the moments that shaped his career, the lessons learned from fighting for his clients&rsquo; rights, and why he&rsquo;s still speaking out.
Although retired from private practice, Terry remains deeply engaged in advocating for aspects of the law and its application that require improvement, like disclosure obligations in criminal proceedings.
To find Georgia: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a/</a>

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