Steve Fishman sits down for a Q&A with Joe Loya, the star of the new podcast Get the Money and Run. Listen in as Joe shares with Steve the answers to many questions from listeners and reveals some of the details that went into creating one of the finest podcasts of 2025.

Get the Money and Run is a production of Western Sound and aCast Studios in association with Orbit Media Inc.

Steve Fishman&nbsp;sits down for a Q&amp;A with Joe Loya, the star of the new podcast Get the Money and Run. Listen in as Joe shares with Steve the answers to many questions from listeners and reveals some of the details that went into creating one of the finest podcasts of 2025.
Get the Money and Run is a production of Western Sound and aCast Studios in association with Orbit Media Inc.

The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. 

Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance

On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder,  and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.”  David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts thecasethat launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish?

Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run

“Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. 

Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger

Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. 

Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country.

Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood 

Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. 

This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago.

Season 1 - The Burden 

In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname.

Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance.

For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. 

Welcome to The Burden.

The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them.&nbsp;
Season 5 - The Burden: Death &amp; Deceit in Alliance
On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder,&nbsp; and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; &ldquo;He paid me to do it.&rdquo;&nbsp; David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a &ldquo;live&rdquo; investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David&rsquo;s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, &ldquo;broke&rdquo; her.&rdquo; The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish?
Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run
&ldquo;Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.&rdquo; That&rsquo;s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how&hellip; and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father.&nbsp;
Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger
Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina&rsquo;s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice.&nbsp;
Avenger is about one woman&rsquo;s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country.
Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood&nbsp;
Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as &ldquo;The Corner on Blood.&rdquo; The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn&rsquo;t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question.&nbsp;
This is the story of one man&rsquo;s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone&rsquo;s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director&rsquo;s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago.
Season 1 - The Burden&nbsp;
In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. &ldquo;The Hulk&rdquo; was his nickname.
Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance.
For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that&rsquo;s all he&rsquo;d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. &ldquo;The guilty have gone free,&rdquo; he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast.&nbsp;
Welcome to The Burden.

The Burden

On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder,  and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.”  David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts thecasethat launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish?

On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder,&nbsp; and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; &ldquo;He paid me to do it.&rdquo;&nbsp; David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a &ldquo;live&rdquo; investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David&rsquo;s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, &ldquo;broke&rdquo; her.&rdquo; The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish?

The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance

Get the Money and Run Q&A with Joe Loya - Hosted by Steve Fishman

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On April 1, 1999, the day Yvonne was found murdered in her home, a neighbor stopped by and told police he saw someone leaving her home, unbeknownst to him, after Yvonne was already dead. But this witness's statement was never turned over to the defense. Why? And who was the man he saw leaving Yvonne's home after her murder?

New episodes of Death & Deceit in Alliance are available every Tuesday and Friday wherever you get your podcasts. To binge the entire season, ad-free, subscribe to True Crime Clubhouse on Apple podcasts.

Death & Deceit in Alliance is a production of Orbit Media Inc. in association with Signal Co. No1.

On April 1, 1999, the day Yvonne was found murdered in her home, a neighbor stopped by and told police he saw someone leaving her home, unbeknownst to him, after Yvonne was already dead. But this witness's statement was never turned over to the defense. Why? And who was the man he saw leaving Yvonne's home after her murder?
New episodes of Death &amp; Deceit in Alliance are available every Tuesday and Friday wherever you get your podcasts. To binge the entire season, ad-free, subscribe to True Crime Clubhouse on Apple podcasts.
Death &amp; Deceit in Alliance is a production of Orbit Media Inc. in association with <a href="https://www.signalco1.com/">Signal Co. No1.</a>

Death & Deceit in Alliance |  6. The Witness

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David Thorne has spent over 20 years in prison for a murder he says he did not commit. Although he says his case is "Dead in the Water", he hasn't been alone. Sue Thorne, a retired postal worker turned amateur investigator, has kept his case alive all these years and uncovered new evidence that could point to David's innocence.

New episodes of Death & Deceit in Alliance are available every Tuesday and Friday wherever you get your podcasts. To binge the entire season, ad-free, subscribe to True Crime Clubhouse on Apple podcasts.

Death & Deceit in Alliance is a production of Orbit Media Inc. in association with Signal Co. No1.

David Thorne has spent over 20 years in prison for a murder he says he did not commit. Although he says his case is "Dead in the Water", he hasn't been alone. Sue Thorne, a retired postal worker turned amateur investigator, has kept his case alive all these years and uncovered new evidence that could point to David's innocence.
New episodes of Death &amp; Deceit in Alliance are available every Tuesday and Friday wherever you get your podcasts. To binge the entire season, ad-free, subscribe to True Crime Clubhouse on Apple podcasts.
Death &amp; Deceit in Alliance is a production of Orbit Media Inc. in association with <a href="https://www.signalco1.com/">Signal Co. No1.</a>

Death & Deceit in Alliance |  5. The Wife

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After David Thorne and Joe Wilkes were arrested for the murder of Yvonne Layne in April 1999, they went to trial in January 2000. What evidence was used to convict them? What kind of defense did David have in the face of Joe's confession?

New episodes of Death & Deceit in Alliance are available every Tuesday and Friday wherever you get your podcasts. To binge the entire season, ad-free, subscribe to True Crime Clubhouse on Apple podcasts.

Death & Deceit in Alliance is a production of Orbit Media Inc. in association with Signal Co. No1.

After David Thorne and Joe Wilkes were arrested for the murder of Yvonne Layne in April 1999, they went to trial in January 2000. What evidence was used to convict them? What kind of defense did David have in the face of Joe's confession?
New episodes of Death &amp; Deceit in Alliance are available every Tuesday and Friday wherever you get your podcasts. To binge the entire season, ad-free, subscribe to True Crime Clubhouse on Apple podcasts.
Death &amp; Deceit in Alliance is a production of Orbit Media Inc. in association with <a href="https://www.signalco1.com/">Signal Co. No1.</a>

Death & Deceit in Alliance | 4. The Trial

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Get the Money and Run Q&A with Joe Loya - Hosted by Steve Fishman

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