You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Brief. The one and only DC Draino joins on this one. Our friend Rogan o'hanley in the mix, and he is a force of nature on Instagram. He has millions and millions of followers. There goes viral like it's his job. Well, I guess it is his job, goes viral constantly and is a true People are called influencers, Dreno. You actually influence the trajectory of conversations on the Internet.
So we are honored to have you here. Good to see you.
Thank you for having me Buck, And you were someone I looked up to when I first started in this whole sector. So it's good to be on and honor.
Oh that's very kind, man. That's like the nicest things. It's Valentine's Day. That's like the nicest thing anyone's gonna say to me all day. Probably anyway, CIA and foreign intelligence agencies, according to The New York Post, illegally targeted twenty six Trump associates before the twenty sixteen Russia collusion claims.
There's a bombshell, tell me what's going on here? Yeah.
So, Michael Schallenberger is an independent journalists. A lot of people may remember him from dropping a lot of the Twitter files. He and Matt Taibi and I think it was Barry Weiss was the third that Elon kind of shoveled that those disclosures too. But he dropped a bombshell either yesterday or the day before, and it's actually still not done being dropped. He has announced that he's going to be disclosing more information later this week, I believe today or tomorrow. But as a summary, so a lot of people know that Russia cocclusion was a hoax and Crossfire Hurricane was the operation to ensnare Trump, and you know, Devin Nunez and the House Intel Committee, and they did a lot of digging and they kind of uncovered that this was actually a DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign funded Steele dossier used to frame Trump and provide enough justification for the FBI to get FISA spy warrants and spy on the sitting president of the United States. And what this Schellenberger bombshell has disclosed is this wasn't just an operation started in July or August of twenty sixteen. This actually went a year and a half before the election. The CIA has been exposed as working with foreign the Five Eyes surveillance spy network the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, and one other one Italy I think, and it's US And they used their colleagues in that network and said, hey, can you spy domestically in the US. We're not allowed to. Can you spy on these twenty six individuals in the Trump campaign?
So as you know, and people always ask me why, just to clear the air. I joined the CIA directly out of college to help find bin Laden and help our guys kill him.
That was it.
After nine to eleven, I'm like, I'm going to go help right. I left right when Obama comes into office because I could feel the politican and this is the truth, and people in the agency then would back me up on this.
Who knew me.
I felt the politicization good war, bad war, rock Afghanistan. All of a sudden, broc is announcing the withdrawal when he's announcing the search. The whole thing was a mess and also the real ideologues, the deep state entities. When Obama came into office, obviously felt really embold and powerful. So I left. I bring it up though, because obviously I know how the agency is supposed to function, what the rules of the road are. This is from this New York Post piece which is quoting, as you pointed out, tyeeb Guten and Alex gutin Togg, and it says former CI director Brennan identified and presented the targets to the US intelligence sharing partners in the soul called Five Eyes agencies, which is the US, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. That's a special intelli and sharing relationship that does exist. This is a real thing. And this is in the sub stack that was published by Michael Schellenberger. So what this would be, Dreno would be a CIA director going to truly our closest allies. Right, the Five Eyes exist because we trust those countries more than any other countries in the world. That's why they're the Five Eyes, right. They're sort of the you know of British parentage, English speaking nations and the fact that that might have been used as a backdoor way to spy on Trump associates. Is this is new in the world of Russia collusion, which was already bad enough, and this just goes to show, I think, how there's no limit to how dirty the tricks are the Democrats will play.
I mean, this is astonishing stuff.
It gets worse somehow. So you know, as a little bit of context, I mistakenly added Italy to the Five Eyes network. They are allies, but it is those for other countries you listed, those are all actually under the UK Commonwealth, right, So Canada, Australia, New Zealand, those are all Commonwealth you know, almost subsidiary states of the United Kingdom and of the King of England. So there is a little bit of a historical context here that the King of England and the Queen at the time is potentially involved in spying on US president. But it gets worse because you know, you could say that this is treason, right, this is treason. And part of the issue is Trump knew about this towards the end, and he did classified a lot of these documents, and these are the Crossfire Hurricane documents. He did classify them. There are public articles about this, and one of the issues is the intelligence community does not know where these documents are. And I have posited the theory and I believe this is very true that the FBI rated Mara a Lago, not because Trump didn't cross his t's and dot his eyes with submitting classified documents to the National Archives. If that were the case, Joe Biden, Mike Pence, they would have probably all been charged. They weren't for the same type of offense. Trump is actually different because he actually had declassification authority as the president. He is the only person that has full declassification history of it, and there's also presumption of declassification if he has documents and takes him out of it classified.
We used to talk about this in the agency Rogan if a president started talking about something at a press conference that was classified, we called it real time declassification. Now people can say, oh, well, that's not technically how it's supposed to work. It's the president's information. But what oversight process If the president wants to talk to the press about something, the president can talk to the press about, like just to give people a sense of the authority that the chief of the executive branch has, it is effectively executive branch information and the president is the top of that chain of command, right, And.
The president doesn't work for the CIA or the FBI. It's it's the reverse, right, And we're supposed to supposed to be But yeah, we've lost touch with that chain of command in recent decades. But I believe that this is why they stormed mar Lago with the FBI, this is why they went through Milania's closet. They're looking for this binder, so Schellenberger has disclosed it. It's about a ten inch thick binder. And when you have government officials partnering with foreign adversaries, not adversaries, foreign allies, but foreign countries nonetheless to subvert the governance of the United States, that's treason by definition. And I believe that this is why they are going all out to stop President Trump from getting back into the White House, because if he does with these documents, they know it's all over and there's going to be a deep clean. Now, obviously, we wish Trump would have done this in the first term. We wish you would have drained the swant, We wish you would have fired a lot of people. But it's not that easy. But I do believe. That's why these people are freaking out. That's why he's been indicted four times, That's why he's got lawsuits coming from every blue state you can think of. That's why they're trying to remove him from the ballot. And yeah, we're starting to learn the real reasons why. And I think it's because a lot of the people at the senior levels of the CIA, people like you and others you know, who join to fight for our country. I think it's an honorable thing. But it's the very senior levels where the deepest corruption is because the CIA is very compartmentalized. You could probably talk more about this. It's not like, you know, say there's ten thousand plays, not like they all know what's going on to CIA at all times. It's a need to know there's only two.
That would be a huge shot, That would be a huge security vulnerability in and of itself. I mean there is there are actual rules, there are laws that separate eyes out what different parts of the agency are doing. Uh, there's need to no compartment compartmentalization, which is critical to keeping secrets secure. And you know, depending on the issue you work, you may have you know, I had no idea what was going on with like Asia desk, for example, no idea because I was I was working Middle East. It's very different. And that's that's all to the good, right So when I anyway, Yeah, but what you said, that's really what you said. That's really a bombshell though. I think is you this is your analysis. Your assessment is that they were looking at Marlago for some of the stuff that Trump took that could go to the pre Russia collusion. As we know, it's spying ordered by Brennan through the Five Eyes, right, that's you think that could be what's at issue here.
I do believe that is the core underlying issue. And we've already learned that Obama, Joe, Biden, Brennan, they all were meeting in December January to kind of launch this next phase of the spying operation. And you know, in the best case scenario, maybe they did genuinely believe there was some Russia collusion between Trump and they were originally looking, but when they didn't find anything, they actually had to plant it, right, and that's where the Steel DOSSI. They got desperate. They couldn't actually find anything that tied the Trump campaign to rush because why would that happen? Why why would Trump?
Trump?
Putin invaded Crimea under Obama and he invaded the don Bass under Biden under four years of Trump. If they were such buddy buddy, why didn't he take Ukraine? Trump would have led him if he was. It's all a farce.
It makes it makes no sense.
Makes Trump was actually very tough against Putin. And you know we can get into NATO.
Yeah, yeah, no.
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Well, I think at the very least the Overton window has shifted, and I think a lot of credit can be given to Vivek on that one. He has really brought into the mainstream narrative. You know, firing seventy five percent of all bureaucrats regardless, you know, just a social Security number at lottery. If your number ends in an even number, you're gone. I said eighty five percent. But you know, we can figure out the details later. But Trump actually was pushing an executive where it's called schedule F, and that was Schedule F of an obscure US Code. But basically a lot a lot of civil servants are considered non political appointees and they have a lot of protections. If you are a political appointee, say like an under secretary of Defense or something, and you're appointed by the president, not necessarily confirmed by the Senate. Trump, you work at the will of the president. Trump can just fire you, you know, or whoever the sitting president is. With a lot of the civil servants, you can't schedule F under this executive order that Trump was apparently close to finalizing, it was going to be a second term thing, would reclassify many civil servants into political appointees and whether this would get hung up in court. I'm sure they would sue in a Hawaiian federal district with the most liberal judge you've ever heard of, and that may hamstring it. But eventually once this gets to the Supreme Court, Listen, we have to re establish, like we talked about earlier, chain A command people in the executive work for the president. Now, do we want to have a complete upheaval every four to eight years of all personnel in the federal government. Not necessarily, but we do need a deep clean in this bureaucracy. I think that's beyond clear at this point, especially in the DOJ, FBI, CIA and others. So does he have the actual authority in multiple different ways, Yes he does. Is there the political will to do this? That's to be determined, but I am optimistic.
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You and I both very much want to see a Republican victory that constitutes a mandate coming up this fall for Donald Trump and for Republicans in the House, in the Senate. What is the one thing that you are if you had to pick one area where you would want the most additional focus right now to get us to that point, whether it's a policy issue or just a voting machinery issue.
What are you really dialed in on.
Yeah, I think ballot harvesting. We need a massive infrastructure to have a more equal playing field in that realm. I do not like ballot hard I wish we could abolish it at the federal level, nationwide mail, mass mail in ballots, print at home ballots like they do in the entire state of California. We need to get rid of all of that. But until we have the power to actually do that, we do need to fight in the battlefield in which we are presented, and so that is a major issue. I do like what Turning Point Action has been doing to organize that, and I'm glad that this GOP primary is switching gears. We're getting rid of Ron McDaniel soon, and I hope that the next person coming in really focuses on election you know, ballot harvesting and other types of election lawsuits, because the Left is very good at that law fare. We are getting better. I do believe that what happened in Virginia with Governor Younkin's race, where we had a lot of lawyers on the ground and we had injunctions and court filings to stop the fraud, and we squeaked out a victory nationwide, statewide at their three offices, so governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general. So I think that's the formula for success. But I also think we do need to address the pro life debate and how to best frame that for people, because it's an energizing issue for Democrats and in an economy that has massive inflation, and with our open border crisis, we should have this, you know, lockstock and barrel. But this abortion issue is driving young Democrats especially to the polls, and we have to come up with better messaging.
Just one more for you, for all the DC DRENO fans out there, Why is the right? And you're somebody I think that is as associated with this advantage as anybody out there. Why is the right better at memes than these Democrat communists? Like, our memes are just better.
It's I think it's the same reason that our jokes are better. There's an element of truth in it, right, And so you look at these late night comedy shows and they've just become political rallies. They aren't funny anymore because they can't make jokes when when you are actually the authoritarians when you actually have the losing argument, when when everything you accuse the Republicans of doing is actually you. People know that, and with memes, you know it has to have an underlying truth to it. Otherwise you're just kind of saying something you are angry about, right, And that's that's not that's not a good joke, that's not a good message. So as as Miley Andopolis used to say, no one can resist the truth wrapped in a good joke. We we are the ones able to have some humor in this lately, we aren't the ones just kind of foaming at the mouth. And and that's that's why memes work. And frankly, I don't know, maybe we're just a little bit smarter than the left too.
I like it all. Do you see Draino? Everybody my friend. Good to see you, Dreno, thanks for being here. We'll talk to you again soon.
Great to see it, Buck, thank you,