Wake that ass up in the morning.

Wake that ass up in the morning.

Breakfast Club.

Breakfast Club.

Morning, Everybody's j n V. Just hilarious, charlamage. The guy we are to Breakfast Club. Jess is still on maternity leave. So long the Rose is feeling in.

Morning, Everybody's j n V. Just hilarious, charlamage. The guy we are to Breakfast Club. Jess is still on maternity leave. So long the Rose is feeling in.

And we got a special guest in the building album right now. Ladies and gentlemen, Yolanda Adams, welcome, Thank y'all for having me.

And we got a special guest in the building album right now. Ladies and gentlemen, Yolanda Adams, welcome, Thank y'all for having me.

How are you feeling this morning?

How are you feeling this morning?

Absolutely fantastic?

Absolutely fantastic?

Okay, okay, okay, this is your fourteenth album.

Okay, okay, okay, this is your fourteenth album.

Yeah, this is my fourteenth studio album.

Yeah, this is my fourteenth studio album.

We'll go through your head when you hear.

We'll go through your head when you hear.

That, Wow, gratefulness, appreciation that I'm still doing what I do, and loving the fact that folks still want to hear what I'm doing and that is still inspires them and gets them going and keeps them lifted up, you know. So yeah, do you remember I feel?

That, Wow, gratefulness, appreciation that I'm still doing what I do, and loving the fact that folks still want to hear what I'm doing and that is still inspires them and gets them going and keeps them lifted up, you know. So yeah, do you remember I feel?

Do you remember putting out your first album and how that felt and the fact I don't know if the industry was ready for gospel music the.

Do you remember putting out your first album and how that felt and the fact I don't know if the industry was ready for gospel music the.

Way there was, Well, the industry tree wasn't ready for me because because I wasn't you know, I wasn't like your typical gospel artists. I didn't look like everybody else and you know, folks kind of give me flack about that because I didn't grow up in a place where we couldn't wear makeup or we couldn't wear pants. You know, in my house, it was cool to go to the skating rink with Jesus. So we went everywhere with God. And so there were some people who were like, well, you shouldn't wear that lipstick, and you shouldn't do this, and you shouldn't do that. And I was like, hmm, okay, now I'm good.

Way there was, Well, the industry tree wasn't ready for me because because I wasn't you know, I wasn't like your typical gospel artists. I didn't look like everybody else and you know, folks kind of give me flack about that because I didn't grow up in a place where we couldn't wear makeup or we couldn't wear pants. You know, in my house, it was cool to go to the skating rink with Jesus. So we went everywhere with God. And so there were some people who were like, well, you shouldn't wear that lipstick, and you shouldn't do this, and you shouldn't do that. And I was like, hmm, okay, now I'm good.

Yeah, I've never understood why religious people, Christians are so judgmental.

Yeah, I've never understood why religious people, Christians are so judgmental.

When the Bible says outshine, I judge.

When the Bible says outshine, I judge.

Well, I think it's human nature when people don't understand, you know, other folks. Whatever. Again, it's all in the way you were raised. Because my parents were real cool, so I wasn't raised with limitations. As a matter of fact, my mom and dad told us that everything is possible for us. And so when I went into the actual solo part of gospel music, I was it was. It took me aback for a little while because I'm like, oh, oh, so y'all can't do all on So in order to be a gospel artist, you can't do this, this, this and that and the other. And I'm like, no, I'm not going to be that kind of gospel artist. But no, go ahead, no, no, no.

Well, I think it's human nature when people don't understand, you know, other folks. Whatever. Again, it's all in the way you were raised. Because my parents were real cool, so I wasn't raised with limitations. As a matter of fact, my mom and dad told us that everything is possible for us. And so when I went into the actual solo part of gospel music, I was it was. It took me aback for a little while because I'm like, oh, oh, so y'all can't do all on So in order to be a gospel artist, you can't do this, this, this and that and the other. And I'm like, no, I'm not going to be that kind of gospel artist. But no, go ahead, no, no, no.

I was gonna say, but whether your mom was the ministry of music in the church in her church, because I know when I go to church and my grandmother, you can't wear pants, you can't do certain things to this day, and I have to just go with that.

I was gonna say, but whether your mom was the ministry of music in the church in her church, because I know when I go to church and my grandmother, you can't wear pants, you can't do certain things to this day, and I have to just go with that.

Your mom's church didn't have those rooms even though we were Baptists. Okay, gotcha. You know, the deacons would smoke outside, so.

Your mom's church didn't have those rooms even though we were Baptists. Okay, gotcha. You know, the deacons would smoke outside, so.

Watch out.

Watch out.

And it was still calling the dope back then. No, that's why, No, it was cigarettes.

And it was still calling the dope back then. No, that's why, No, it was cigarettes.

You know, your faith physical part of your music.

You know, your faith physical part of your music.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

How is your faith journey shaped not just your music, but just your life in general?

How is your faith journey shaped not just your music, but just your life in general?

Oh my gosh, it's everything. It's the basis of everything. It's the basis of my businesses, it's the basis of my parenthood, it's the basis of all I do. You know. I wake up joyful every morning because again I'm here and we know a lot of people within the last couple of weeks you're to us that are just gone, you know, And it's like man to be able to wake up do what you love to do every single day. I know y'all know about that is a blessing. And so faith has everything to do with everything I do.

Oh my gosh, it's everything. It's the basis of everything. It's the basis of my businesses, it's the basis of my parenthood, it's the basis of all I do. You know. I wake up joyful every morning because again I'm here and we know a lot of people within the last couple of weeks you're to us that are just gone, you know, And it's like man to be able to wake up do what you love to do every single day. I know y'all know about that is a blessing. And so faith has everything to do with everything I do.

When you were doing more on the radio that you used to wake up.

When you were doing more on the radio that you used to wake up.

Absolutely it was live lib.

Absolutely it was live lib.

Oh okay, okay, did you like did you like it getting up that early?

Oh okay, okay, did you like did you like it getting up that early?

Absolutely? You know there's something that happens when the mic comes on and the light comes on, you realize, okay, you have a few seconds to inspire somebody's day. You have a few seconds to describe this song or describe this issue, you know. And so we were like, y'all, we had a full show. We talked about sports, we talked about relationships and all of that good stuff. So, yeah, it was three thirty in the morning, wake up, you know, got to be at the station at fifteen.

Absolutely? You know there's something that happens when the mic comes on and the light comes on, you realize, okay, you have a few seconds to inspire somebody's day. You have a few seconds to describe this song or describe this issue, you know. And so we were like, y'all, we had a full show. We talked about sports, we talked about relationships and all of that good stuff. So, yeah, it was three thirty in the morning, wake up, you know, got to be at the station at fifteen.

How much did you play on music?

How much did you play on music?

Very little.

Very little.

I wasn't like, you know, the programmer side.

I wasn't like, you know, the programmer side.

Not even that. It was like, I want to hear somebody else, gotcha, because I hear me all the time. I've been with me the longest. So and I love hearing new artists. I love breaking in new artists. I love hearing different types of gospel music. And so we did a lot of that too. Do you miss the Red Do you miss it? I do miss it at times, But as you all know, when one door is finished, or when one season is finish, the other season begins. And if I was still doing radio, I couldn't do television and movies and soundtracks and things like that.

Not even that. It was like, I want to hear somebody else, gotcha, because I hear me all the time. I've been with me the longest. So and I love hearing new artists. I love breaking in new artists. I love hearing different types of gospel music. And so we did a lot of that too. Do you miss the Red Do you miss it? I do miss it at times, But as you all know, when one door is finished, or when one season is finish, the other season begins. And if I was still doing radio, I couldn't do television and movies and soundtracks and things like that.

So I was going to ask, you know, we're growing up in the church, how much pressure was that, you know, because being a kid growing up in the church, everything seemed perfect, right. They wanted everything to be perfect, and if it wasn't perfect, it seems like they shamed you back then.

So I was going to ask, you know, we're growing up in the church, how much pressure was that, you know, because being a kid growing up in the church, everything seemed perfect, right. They wanted everything to be perfect, and if it wasn't perfect, it seems like they shamed you back then.

Well here's the thing, and I'm going to go back to my upbringing. I don't know what churches y'all went to, but we knew at our church we weren't perfect. So it was not this thing that you have to have it this way, you got to get it right all the time, because you're not going to get it right all the time. You know, as grown as I am now, I don't get it right all the time. And I think that's one of the misconceptions about faith and religion. It's not that we are perfect people. It's not that we're even trying to be perfect people. But what we are trying to do is be loving people. Yes, we're trying to be carrying people. We're trying to show people a different way of existing because I mean, and we we all know we live in this space now where everything is cancel culture. I hate this because you hate this, or I hate this person because you hate this person. It's like, can we all just get back to the basis of everything? Because the basis for me is for God so loved, so that means I'm supposed to love as well.

Well here's the thing, and I'm going to go back to my upbringing. I don't know what churches y'all went to, but we knew at our church we weren't perfect. So it was not this thing that you have to have it this way, you got to get it right all the time, because you're not going to get it right all the time. You know, as grown as I am now, I don't get it right all the time. And I think that's one of the misconceptions about faith and religion. It's not that we are perfect people. It's not that we're even trying to be perfect people. But what we are trying to do is be loving people. Yes, we're trying to be carrying people. We're trying to show people a different way of existing because I mean, and we we all know we live in this space now where everything is cancel culture. I hate this because you hate this, or I hate this person because you hate this person. It's like, can we all just get back to the basis of everything? Because the basis for me is for God so loved, so that means I'm supposed to love as well.

And what kept you grounded? Because even going to college, usually the church girls would the wildness. They would have one that they're no longer going to leave.

And what kept you grounded? Because even going to college, usually the church girls would the wildness. They would have one that they're no longer going to leave.

But again, here we go. I didn't. I wasn't restricted in anything in my life. So I went to the dances, you know, I hung out at the house parties and stuff like that when I was younger, so I didn't have that restriction, and so when I got to college, I didn't have to wild out because it's like, I mean, I'm doing that odd child, please you know. So I don't know, I don't know why that happens. I think it's in a person to try to test the waters and then when they find out, oh, it ain't that wonderful, then they go back into their little shell.

But again, here we go. I didn't. I wasn't restricted in anything in my life. So I went to the dances, you know, I hung out at the house parties and stuff like that when I was younger, so I didn't have that restriction, and so when I got to college, I didn't have to wild out because it's like, I mean, I'm doing that odd child, please you know. So I don't know, I don't know why that happens. I think it's in a person to try to test the waters and then when they find out, oh, it ain't that wonderful, then they go back into their little shell.

And it's you know about the church nowadays then, because you can't if you test the waters at certain churches and certain congregations like they almost like condemn people for certain things.

And it's you know about the church nowadays then, because you can't if you test the waters at certain churches and certain congregations like they almost like condemn people for certain things.

Well here, and you did say certain churches, which is I'm glad you said that, because certain churches have this, and certain religions have an idea that you're supposed to be so high up here that And I've never gotten that whole concept of the super religious kind thing because I didn't have to be that. All I had to do was be myself, and God loved me for being myself, not to pretend, Yolanda, because I've never been good at pretending, so, you know, except when I'm acting. But I think nowadays the view of that comes from people who are outside looking in, not people inside certain churches, you know, because you have to be inside to experience that. And I know that there are some people who can make you feel like you're not you know, at your best, you're not as good as them, and stuff like I get that now. I'm like big old sixty three year old I get that now, you know, people take me why you wear that? Why you doing this? And why are you showing up here? And why you Because I'm grown, I do not make you feel though, because for so long. But but again, I mean, I will never see those people. I will never experience them. They will never come to my house, they will never come to the barbecue. So you can't get so emotionally attached to negativity that you stop being you and you stop living and you stop living your life the way you live your life, you know. So it's like they gonna be fine because I'm fine.

Well here, and you did say certain churches, which is I'm glad you said that, because certain churches have this, and certain religions have an idea that you're supposed to be so high up here that And I've never gotten that whole concept of the super religious kind thing because I didn't have to be that. All I had to do was be myself, and God loved me for being myself, not to pretend, Yolanda, because I've never been good at pretending, so, you know, except when I'm acting. But I think nowadays the view of that comes from people who are outside looking in, not people inside certain churches, you know, because you have to be inside to experience that. And I know that there are some people who can make you feel like you're not you know, at your best, you're not as good as them, and stuff like I get that now. I'm like big old sixty three year old I get that now, you know, people take me why you wear that? Why you doing this? And why are you showing up here? And why you Because I'm grown, I do not make you feel though, because for so long. But but again, I mean, I will never see those people. I will never experience them. They will never come to my house, they will never come to the barbecue. So you can't get so emotionally attached to negativity that you stop being you and you stop living and you stop living your life the way you live your life, you know. So it's like they gonna be fine because I'm fine.

Why Why do people give you so much smoke for your office? Like I'm like, what is miss Adams wearing that looks so gravy?

Why Why do people give you so much smoke for your office? Like I'm like, what is miss Adams wearing that looks so gravy?

Well, I don't get.

Well, I don't get.

The late Great Darryl Coley said something from the stage one time. He said, y'all, Mackagell can't word that's real. So I don't you know, And I think because they well, you know, she listens to the music. Oh I'm you know, I have nothing against her. But it's like when people some people are uncomfortable with you being comfortable in your skin, and I'm extremely comfortable in my skin and I have been for a long long time, which is why I said, don't fall for the negativity, don't you know there because there will be so many people who applaud you yep, and are in your corner and want you to make it and want you to succeed that the two three or forty opposed to two million. It's like, I'm gonna hang out with the two million, that's right, rather than the forty.

The late Great Darryl Coley said something from the stage one time. He said, y'all, Mackagell can't word that's real. So I don't you know, And I think because they well, you know, she listens to the music. Oh I'm you know, I have nothing against her. But it's like when people some people are uncomfortable with you being comfortable in your skin, and I'm extremely comfortable in my skin and I have been for a long long time, which is why I said, don't fall for the negativity, don't you know there because there will be so many people who applaud you yep, and are in your corner and want you to make it and want you to succeed that the two three or forty opposed to two million. It's like, I'm gonna hang out with the two million, that's right, rather than the forty.

You know, you said something it's not as very important. You said you've always been comfortable in your own skin. When did you get to that point? Because you know, just the way you present esthetically, you're tall, you're beautiful. When you walk in the room, everybody like, oh who that is? I know that makes people uncomfortable. So when did you get comfortable me and making people uncomfortable?

You know, you said something it's not as very important. You said you've always been comfortable in your own skin. When did you get to that point? Because you know, just the way you present esthetically, you're tall, you're beautiful. When you walk in the room, everybody like, oh who that is? I know that makes people uncomfortable. So when did you get comfortable me and making people uncomfortable?

I think I think because I've always been a tall kid, and my parents always talked about how amazing stature and grace and elegance is. I think I really got a hold to it probably in my twenties, you know, after I graduated college and I had some stuff under my belt, and it's like, okay, yeah, I'm going to take on the world. And when you're taking on the world. You can't have that insecurity of well, how will it feel and how will they accept me? And how will they do this? How will they do them? It's like, nah, you got to get out there. So it was yeah, in my twenties.

I think I think because I've always been a tall kid, and my parents always talked about how amazing stature and grace and elegance is. I think I really got a hold to it probably in my twenties, you know, after I graduated college and I had some stuff under my belt, and it's like, okay, yeah, I'm going to take on the world. And when you're taking on the world. You can't have that insecurity of well, how will it feel and how will they accept me? And how will they do this? How will they do them? It's like, nah, you got to get out there. So it was yeah, in my twenties.

Absolutely the depressions of the music industry exist in gospel music. Like when you hear these stories of all these the Botcher's things that happened in the music industry, does that exist in the gospel world.

Absolutely the depressions of the music industry exist in gospel music. Like when you hear these stories of all these the Botcher's things that happened in the music industry, does that exist in the gospel world.

The debauchery part of gospel music is not something that I know of because I didn't participate in anything if there was anything going on. But the pressure to outdo your last project is always there, you know, and you know how it is. Come on, you guys are in media, so you know that every quarter, okay, your numbers were sowing, so now you got to beat this or you got to beat that person in Houston, or you got to beat this person in San Antonio. I think it's always that, and you have to surround yourself with management and people who are on your side that help you buffer that because somebody's urgency can be placed on you, so it's your urgency. But if their urgency is not your emergency, why are we doing this, you know, because everybody wants something different from you. You know, people pull at you for different reasons, and some of them are not authentic, and some of those reasons are very nefarious. You know. Well, I just want to get you know, twenty million done this. Yeah, we're business people in the room, and no matter what, even if it you know, let's talk about branding. If it goes against your brand, but it's a whole lot of money. You know, you have to be strong enough to say, nah, I can't do that, you know, and then you have to tell them, no, we're not doing that.

The debauchery part of gospel music is not something that I know of because I didn't participate in anything if there was anything going on. But the pressure to outdo your last project is always there, you know, and you know how it is. Come on, you guys are in media, so you know that every quarter, okay, your numbers were sowing, so now you got to beat this or you got to beat that person in Houston, or you got to beat this person in San Antonio. I think it's always that, and you have to surround yourself with management and people who are on your side that help you buffer that because somebody's urgency can be placed on you, so it's your urgency. But if their urgency is not your emergency, why are we doing this, you know, because everybody wants something different from you. You know, people pull at you for different reasons, and some of them are not authentic, and some of those reasons are very nefarious. You know. Well, I just want to get you know, twenty million done this. Yeah, we're business people in the room, and no matter what, even if it you know, let's talk about branding. If it goes against your brand, but it's a whole lot of money. You know, you have to be strong enough to say, nah, I can't do that, you know, and then you have to tell them, no, we're not doing that.

Well you talking about that or were you talking about like people trying to take advantage of her coming up in the industry, stealing publishing and royalties that we hear from much.

Well you talking about that or were you talking about like people trying to take advantage of her coming up in the industry, stealing publishing and royalties that we hear from much.

Drugs?

Drugs?

Well, first of all, I don't do drugs, so I don't I don't get invited to the drug parties if there are drug parties, And I've never been a an exhibitionist, so I don't get invited to the freak offs and stuff like there. You know, no, no, no, no no, And so I will you know, I will say, from my purview, I don't know about any of that now, as far as publishing and royalties and all of that. Oh, you always have somebody posing as a manager or a business manager trying to you know, because they see, Okay, you're effective. You get the numbers, you know you you know, you could be out every single day doing something. So that's a cash cow right there.

Well, first of all, I don't do drugs, so I don't I don't get invited to the drug parties if there are drug parties, And I've never been a an exhibitionist, so I don't get invited to the freak offs and stuff like there. You know, no, no, no, no no, And so I will you know, I will say, from my purview, I don't know about any of that now, as far as publishing and royalties and all of that. Oh, you always have somebody posing as a manager or a business manager trying to you know, because they see, Okay, you're effective. You get the numbers, you know you you know, you could be out every single day doing something. So that's a cash cow right there.

Still from a gospel artist, you've got to be going to Yeah, there's a lot of them going.

Still from a gospel artist, you've got to be going to Yeah, there's a lot of them going.

People are still in in church too, and a lot of them going, you know.

People are still in in church too, and a lot of them going, you know.

So the new album is.

So the new album is.

Called Sunny Days. Yes, what is your Linda Adam's definition of a sunny day?

Called Sunny Days. Yes, what is your Linda Adam's definition of a sunny day?

Oh, my gosh. My definition of a sunny day is is a day where I feel so good about myself, about what I'm doing, about my purpose, and also about the climate of the world. You know, you have to be optimistic to really look at where we are right now and say, but there's something good that's going to come out of this. And so that's what I wanted to do with this project. Because it took us four years to actually finish the project. We started it in twenty eighteen and then all of a sudden, Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis got busy. Donald Lawrence got busy, All of the producers got busy. I got busy, and then there was the pandemic and so that stopped a lot of things. And then Kingdom Business we started filming that. You know, we had seasons one and two we had to film. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, okay, all right, all right, we got to get this album done. So it finally got done this year, and I'm just so really excited about that.

Oh, my gosh. My definition of a sunny day is is a day where I feel so good about myself, about what I'm doing, about my purpose, and also about the climate of the world. You know, you have to be optimistic to really look at where we are right now and say, but there's something good that's going to come out of this. And so that's what I wanted to do with this project. Because it took us four years to actually finish the project. We started it in twenty eighteen and then all of a sudden, Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis got busy. Donald Lawrence got busy, All of the producers got busy. I got busy, and then there was the pandemic and so that stopped a lot of things. And then Kingdom Business we started filming that. You know, we had seasons one and two we had to film. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, okay, all right, all right, we got to get this album done. So it finally got done this year, and I'm just so really excited about that.

So I just schedule the reason why it took like it was like a thirteen year break in between Becoming in twenty eleven and then now up.

So I just schedule the reason why it took like it was like a thirteen year break in between Becoming in twenty eleven and then now up.

It was a thirteen year break between the solo projects.

It was a thirteen year break between the solo projects.

Yes, So why though, Like, why is that because there was so much other stuff going on between or is it just so busy.

Yes, So why though, Like, why is that because there was so much other stuff going on between or is it just so busy.

I was so busy. I was going overseas doing a lot of things. And then I also did several soundtracks to movies and television shows. We did the soundtrack and the music for SpongeBob on Broadway. We did a song there, me and my music director, Rodney East, and so things just got busy like that, gotcha. And you know, with my projects, I have to like tailor time for them because if I don't. It's going to be like, it's going to be real crazy.

I was so busy. I was going overseas doing a lot of things. And then I also did several soundtracks to movies and television shows. We did the soundtrack and the music for SpongeBob on Broadway. We did a song there, me and my music director, Rodney East, and so things just got busy like that, gotcha. And you know, with my projects, I have to like tailor time for them because if I don't. It's going to be like, it's going to be real crazy.

You know, with non gospel artists, they go into a studio, maybe it's a heartbreak or like you know, they do indulging, smoking, drink and whatever they get them. For gospel artists, is it that you're like you're praying, you deep in the spirit?

You know, with non gospel artists, they go into a studio, maybe it's a heartbreak or like you know, they do indulging, smoking, drink and whatever they get them. For gospel artists, is it that you're like you're praying, you deep in the spirit?

Like, where does that come from?

Like, where does that come from?

For you guys?

For you guys?

Oh, it comes from the same experiences. Of course, we're not you know, getting high trying to figure out what God's doing. But nobody found that funny but me. From the earth.

Oh, it comes from the same experiences. Of course, we're not you know, getting high trying to figure out what God's doing. But nobody found that funny but me. From the earth.

It is from the earth. Oh, I get what you did there. We're not getting drunk try to figure out what God is doing, because what got going on?

It is from the earth. Oh, I get what you did there. We're not getting drunk try to figure out what God is doing, because what got going on?

Okay?

Okay?

Urge you okay, thank you, thank you so much. No, it comes from the experiences that we're having in our lives. Because you figure, we got eight plus billion people in the world, so at least a million got to be going through what you're going through. And so if you're making a business decision, if you're making a relationship decision, if you're making a a moving you know, geographical moving decision, all decisions for us, you know, we have to ask God Okay, is this really? Is this me?

Urge you okay, thank you, thank you so much. No, it comes from the experiences that we're having in our lives. Because you figure, we got eight plus billion people in the world, so at least a million got to be going through what you're going through. And so if you're making a business decision, if you're making a relationship decision, if you're making a a moving you know, geographical moving decision, all decisions for us, you know, we have to ask God Okay, is this really? Is this me?

Or is this you?

Or is this you?

Or do I just want this for me? And you know a lot of times God said, Okay, if you want it for you, let's do it. You know, God is not yeah, because because God is not trying to keep you stuck. As a matter of fact, he wants the best for you always. And I think people have fashioned God in so many ways that it's confusing two people when they see someone, you know, like me, who has this relationship with God where it's like, real cool, Hey, God, we're doing We're doing the breakfast club this morning. Yeah, I know, I'll be there with you, you know that kind of thing. And I believe if we would give people room to grow with God, that they'll find God on their own, and they'll find God is so loving and so kind on their own that they don't have to be pushed into Yeah, go on and do this, Go do that. You won't have to be pushed to do anything. You'll want to from the bottom of your heart. You want to love people, you want to share his goodness, you want to share a smile, you know that kind of thing.

Or do I just want this for me? And you know a lot of times God said, Okay, if you want it for you, let's do it. You know, God is not yeah, because because God is not trying to keep you stuck. As a matter of fact, he wants the best for you always. And I think people have fashioned God in so many ways that it's confusing two people when they see someone, you know, like me, who has this relationship with God where it's like, real cool, Hey, God, we're doing We're doing the breakfast club this morning. Yeah, I know, I'll be there with you, you know that kind of thing. And I believe if we would give people room to grow with God, that they'll find God on their own, and they'll find God is so loving and so kind on their own that they don't have to be pushed into Yeah, go on and do this, Go do that. You won't have to be pushed to do anything. You'll want to from the bottom of your heart. You want to love people, you want to share his goodness, you want to share a smile, you know that kind of thing.

That's interesting cause when I pray to God, I pray to God to give me direction right, absolutely, and God my steps absolutely. And I guess I always say I want to do what God wants me to do. What if I want to do something, yeah, it's like God, you're gonna come with me. God might just be like, yeah, go do that, Yeah, and let me and let me figure it out.

That's interesting cause when I pray to God, I pray to God to give me direction right, absolutely, and God my steps absolutely. And I guess I always say I want to do what God wants me to do. What if I want to do something, yeah, it's like God, you're gonna come with me. God might just be like, yeah, go do that, Yeah, and let me and let me figure it out.

I'm own whatever happens. I'm gonna be with you regardless, absolutely, because you can.

I'm own whatever happens. I'm gonna be with you regardless, absolutely, because you can.

You can. Just like you cannot separate your breathing from you unless you're you know, on a ventilator or something like that, you can't separate God from you. Because God lives inside. We always try to make him upstage, you know, and we say the man upstairs. We know that's you know, proverbial kind of talk. But God is inside. And if God is inside, he's walking with me. If he's inside, he's talking with me. If he's inside, he really is concerned about whether I you know, I make it or not, you know, whether I reach my goals or not. And so the one thing that I have found in my life that has served me so well is when there's a piece that I have with any decision, then that's a stamp, all right. You know, when there's turmoil. I have to go back and be silent because I got to listen to make sure. Okay, now you're either protecting me from something or someone, and sometimes it's myself because I want to rush things. You know, I'm a fixer, the oldest of six kids. I'm a fixer. And Guy's like, slow down, land No, slow slow down, slow down. I'm gonna give you that, but I'm gonna give it to you when you're ready. And so, yeah, you got out here preaching.

You can. Just like you cannot separate your breathing from you unless you're you know, on a ventilator or something like that, you can't separate God from you. Because God lives inside. We always try to make him upstage, you know, and we say the man upstairs. We know that's you know, proverbial kind of talk. But God is inside. And if God is inside, he's walking with me. If he's inside, he's talking with me. If he's inside, he really is concerned about whether I you know, I make it or not, you know, whether I reach my goals or not. And so the one thing that I have found in my life that has served me so well is when there's a piece that I have with any decision, then that's a stamp, all right. You know, when there's turmoil. I have to go back and be silent because I got to listen to make sure. Okay, now you're either protecting me from something or someone, and sometimes it's myself because I want to rush things. You know, I'm a fixer, the oldest of six kids. I'm a fixer. And Guy's like, slow down, land No, slow slow down, slow down. I'm gonna give you that, but I'm gonna give it to you when you're ready. And so, yeah, you got out here preaching.

You were trending about a week ago, two weeks ago. Uh, yes, She's like, what happened when you were trending? When people were calling you? Did you know what it was right away?

You were trending about a week ago, two weeks ago. Uh, yes, She's like, what happened when you were trending? When people were calling you? Did you know what it was right away?

And did not? You did not? So what was your mind thoughts when you seen what he mclein doing.

And did not? You did not? So what was your mind thoughts when you seen what he mclein doing.

Well, here's the thing about the video. We actually did the video together. We were there on set together, and you know what is Woody? I mean that's Bobby Brown right right right right, So you know we know he's a great artist and just all around great guy. But people were talking as though.

Well, here's the thing about the video. We actually did the video together. We were there on set together, and you know what is Woody? I mean that's Bobby Brown right right right right, So you know we know he's a great artist and just all around great guy. But people were talking as though.

It was.

It was.

The power Woody. Why is it that you, Londa is you know? Because people are mad at him and you know characters. Yeah, they're mad at him, so they yeah. And that's the thing, how do you forget that this man is acting. He's not the same character in that video that he is on Power.

The power Woody. Why is it that you, Londa is you know? Because people are mad at him and you know characters. Yeah, they're mad at him, so they yeah. And that's the thing, how do you forget that this man is acting. He's not the same character in that video that he is on Power.

So what is that?

So what is that?

I didn't get that, And so my children and my daughter had to explain to me, well, you know, he's kind of a bad character on Power. I'm like, yeah, but that's just his job, you know. He as a person, he's a man of faith. And when they told when the record company said we have Woody for the video, I was like, yes, because I remember the Bobby Brown Woody. I haven't watched Power enough to know that character. I'm like, Season one.

I didn't get that, And so my children and my daughter had to explain to me, well, you know, he's kind of a bad character on Power. I'm like, yeah, but that's just his job, you know. He as a person, he's a man of faith. And when they told when the record company said we have Woody for the video, I was like, yes, because I remember the Bobby Brown Woody. I haven't watched Power enough to know that character. I'm like, Season one.

Our Bobby Power, Bobby was a wild boy?

Our Bobby Power, Bobby was a wild boy?

Did he freestyle that?

Did he freestyle that?

Or was that queer rat?

Or was that queer rat?

And he kind of freestyled that? And then and I guess, uh, I guess they all said, Okay, we like that? Do that?

And he kind of freestyled that? And then and I guess, uh, I guess they all said, Okay, we like that? Do that?

You know?

You know?

So the video captures a lot of dancing. I love to dance, so it captures a lot of different types of dancing. Because I personally believe that God loves variety, because if he did not love variety, all of us would look the same. And so we all have our different things and we all have those, you know, those little quirks that that make us amazing.

So the video captures a lot of dancing. I love to dance, so it captures a lot of different types of dancing. Because I personally believe that God loves variety, because if he did not love variety, all of us would look the same. And so we all have our different things and we all have those, you know, those little quirks that that make us amazing.

Did you speak to Mathter did you speak?

Did you speak to Mathter did you speak?

It was like, just thank you so much, Missatles for a lot of me to I'm like, what you are making me cool? You are making me a cool woman right now. So I appreciate it.

It was like, just thank you so much, Missatles for a lot of me to I'm like, what you are making me cool? You are making me a cool woman right now. So I appreciate it.

Why there are three different versions of Church Doors.

Why there are three different versions of Church Doors.

There are three different churches, three different churches, three different versions, because we had the version for the gospel gospel audience, then the audience who's like me, who loves you know, to hear different versions and dance and stuff like that, and I I just thought, man, what a great song to kind of hype up and give the message to people that may not walk into the church doors and hear this. And so that was that was our That was our goal because technically church doors can be your heart. When you let me make it to the church doors, I'll tell them what you've done for me. So you open your heart to give your testimony about how good God has been. And so again there are people who will get this on the dance floor and it'll hit them, Oh God is good, you know. So yeah, do you.

There are three different churches, three different churches, three different versions, because we had the version for the gospel gospel audience, then the audience who's like me, who loves you know, to hear different versions and dance and stuff like that, and I I just thought, man, what a great song to kind of hype up and give the message to people that may not walk into the church doors and hear this. And so that was that was our That was our goal because technically church doors can be your heart. When you let me make it to the church doors, I'll tell them what you've done for me. So you open your heart to give your testimony about how good God has been. And so again there are people who will get this on the dance floor and it'll hit them, Oh God is good, you know. So yeah, do you.

Feel like Jermaine Depre recently had sometime as we have the audience if you want to hear, but he recently said that because the younger artists aren't walking.

Feel like Jermaine Depre recently had sometime as we have the audience if you want to hear, but he recently said that because the younger artists aren't walking.

Through those church doors.

Through those church doors.

Yeah, do you feel like that is affecting music the fact that you like, like you said, people may not ever walk through those church doors, but it can still hit them in their heart.

Yeah, do you feel like that is affecting music the fact that you like, like you said, people may not ever walk through those church doors, but it can still hit them in their heart.

Is that possible or you feel like these artists need to get back in church. Well, I think what he meant is that the producers who are doing the producing have to have that background to know how to bring in the tenors, how to bring in your altes, you know, to make that full effective sound. We all know the difference between church musicians and regular musicians who did not get that training. Because here's the thing about church. Church trained you because you have a uh, an audience that can't go nowhere for like two three hours, and so you get that on the job training that you wouldn't get just you know in your basement, you know, mixing and trying to do your thing, so you you learn how to capture an audience. And I think that is what's missing as well, because these kids don't have that type of experience until they get in front of audiences, and most of them don't know what to do. Uh. I watched Saturday Night Live the young lady who uh had this huge song during the pandemic about you know, driving down the street and stuff like that, and uh and and and my daughter's gonna get me because I don't Huh. I'm sorry not to not share right. No, it was it was another young lady. No, no, no, no, I mean during the pandemic, white artist. She had on some baggy clothes and things like that. Now she made a song on her computer in her room and it blew up. It went viral like a billion times. They immediately put her on Saturday Night Live, and it was obvious that she had not had the train work. And if we go back even to the Motown days and the Stacks days, there was artist development.

Is that possible or you feel like these artists need to get back in church. Well, I think what he meant is that the producers who are doing the producing have to have that background to know how to bring in the tenors, how to bring in your altes, you know, to make that full effective sound. We all know the difference between church musicians and regular musicians who did not get that training. Because here's the thing about church. Church trained you because you have a uh, an audience that can't go nowhere for like two three hours, and so you get that on the job training that you wouldn't get just you know in your basement, you know, mixing and trying to do your thing, so you you learn how to capture an audience. And I think that is what's missing as well, because these kids don't have that type of experience until they get in front of audiences, and most of them don't know what to do. Uh. I watched Saturday Night Live the young lady who uh had this huge song during the pandemic about you know, driving down the street and stuff like that, and uh and and and my daughter's gonna get me because I don't Huh. I'm sorry not to not share right. No, it was it was another young lady. No, no, no, no, I mean during the pandemic, white artist. She had on some baggy clothes and things like that. Now she made a song on her computer in her room and it blew up. It went viral like a billion times. They immediately put her on Saturday Night Live, and it was obvious that she had not had the train work. And if we go back even to the Motown days and the Stacks days, there was artist development.

I don't have that anymore.

I don't have that anymore.

And that's the thing that I believe Jermaine was talking about as well. They do not have artist development and artist development for us as people who attended church and grew up in the church, we grew up in the choir or either the band or something like that. You had that every Sunday, every Thursday when you had rehearsals, you had the chance to you know, be corrected and you know, and and make it right.

And that's the thing that I believe Jermaine was talking about as well. They do not have artist development and artist development for us as people who attended church and grew up in the church, we grew up in the choir or either the band or something like that. You had that every Sunday, every Thursday when you had rehearsals, you had the chance to you know, be corrected and you know, and and make it right.

And so I.

And so I.

Definitely know we got to bring that artist development back. Uh. And then the other thing that you miss is that that heart and soul, right, you can only get that heart and soul when you're connected, you know. And if you're not connected to your source, you will miss you know, you may sound amazing, but there will be this emptiness that is very obvious that you know. It's like maybe you need to, you know, get a little quiet, get get some peace, or you know, do some yoga or whatever you do.

Definitely know we got to bring that artist development back. Uh. And then the other thing that you miss is that that heart and soul, right, you can only get that heart and soul when you're connected, you know. And if you're not connected to your source, you will miss you know, you may sound amazing, but there will be this emptiness that is very obvious that you know. It's like maybe you need to, you know, get a little quiet, get get some peace, or you know, do some yoga or whatever you do.

Now we talked about that this one. I said the same thing like everything you said, but that that that that soul. I think the church is so rooted, especially the Black church. It's just so rooted in community and Black people fellowsh and fellow fellowshipping with each other. It's just a certain soul that comes from that that I think people are just missing nowadays because of the fact we don't fellowship as much like I don't read social media as real fellowship.

Now we talked about that this one. I said the same thing like everything you said, but that that that that soul. I think the church is so rooted, especially the Black church. It's just so rooted in community and Black people fellowsh and fellow fellowshipping with each other. It's just a certain soul that comes from that that I think people are just missing nowadays because of the fact we don't fellowship as much like I don't read social media as real fellowship.

But no, because and those you know, I'm gonna get a little technical here. We're in this room. I could have done this on zoom, but it wouldn't feel the same. It's because all of us have these energy blocks that you know, we we have. It's just it's just amazing how we're fearfully and wonderfully made. But trying to get that same feeling on a zoom call or on uh, whatever yard it is and stuff like that, it's it's it's gonna be hard because there's no authenticity there. You know, when you respond to me and you smile, I'm like, yeah, I'm on the right track. When you respond to me and you shake your head, like on the right track. When you respond to me and I see that smile, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, so but you know, and then I give it back.

But no, because and those you know, I'm gonna get a little technical here. We're in this room. I could have done this on zoom, but it wouldn't feel the same. It's because all of us have these energy blocks that you know, we we have. It's just it's just amazing how we're fearfully and wonderfully made. But trying to get that same feeling on a zoom call or on uh, whatever yard it is and stuff like that, it's it's it's gonna be hard because there's no authenticity there. You know, when you respond to me and you smile, I'm like, yeah, I'm on the right track. When you respond to me and you shake your head, like on the right track. When you respond to me and I see that smile, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, so but you know, and then I give it back.

And so.

And so.

For me, and I can only speak for me, I like the call and response that we've grown up with. I also love being able to see if the message is affecting the person or the congregation or you know, like we're going to be at the Barclay Center, so that's a whole bunch of people, but you still hone in on those folk that you see are getting it, and then all of a sudden, the whole place just gets electrified. But it starts with me and you and you and you, and then everybody you know comes in. So yeah, I think the other thing that church does as well, because we didn't have the counselors and the therapists and all this stuff. You know, like you're doing your program. It was our therapy growing up because you know, you could shout it out, you can cry it out, you can yes, sir it out. You know, you could sing it out, you can usher it out, you know. But we don't have that like that anymore. And we've advanced, and I'm glad we've advanced because now we can see, Okay, this is one of the problems that we need to work on in our community. What better place to start it than in a place that cares about people. So when you have a counselor or a therapist on staff at your church, it makes it so much better for people who want to come in and just talk and you know, get stuff out. I believe in God ain't therapy, absolutely absolutely. I mean you think about if you read the Bible, there are so many times where everyone that did anything huge for God had to go into that place and like, okay, who do I talk to? Who do I counsel with and I just want people to get back to the basics of fellowship with God, because if you get back to the basics, you realize all of the stuff that people are majoring on has nothing to do with the real love of God.

For me, and I can only speak for me, I like the call and response that we've grown up with. I also love being able to see if the message is affecting the person or the congregation or you know, like we're going to be at the Barclay Center, so that's a whole bunch of people, but you still hone in on those folk that you see are getting it, and then all of a sudden, the whole place just gets electrified. But it starts with me and you and you and you, and then everybody you know comes in. So yeah, I think the other thing that church does as well, because we didn't have the counselors and the therapists and all this stuff. You know, like you're doing your program. It was our therapy growing up because you know, you could shout it out, you can cry it out, you can yes, sir it out. You know, you could sing it out, you can usher it out, you know. But we don't have that like that anymore. And we've advanced, and I'm glad we've advanced because now we can see, Okay, this is one of the problems that we need to work on in our community. What better place to start it than in a place that cares about people. So when you have a counselor or a therapist on staff at your church, it makes it so much better for people who want to come in and just talk and you know, get stuff out. I believe in God ain't therapy, absolutely absolutely. I mean you think about if you read the Bible, there are so many times where everyone that did anything huge for God had to go into that place and like, okay, who do I talk to? Who do I counsel with and I just want people to get back to the basics of fellowship with God, because if you get back to the basics, you realize all of the stuff that people are majoring on has nothing to do with the real love of God.

So how do you feel about bedside Baptists at Mountain Design zoom A.

So how do you feel about bedside Baptists at Mountain Design zoom A.

Well, here's the thing. There's a place for all of that, and that is why churches have to advance and make sure that they have those things available. Now, as I said before, just like I didn't come, you know, like I didn't zoom with you guys, is because I wanted to be physically in the room. There's just something you're going to get inside the buildings that you cannot get just on zoom. And and I'm going to have to confess because my job takes me out most of the time where I can't get back to my physical church. And so as soon as I am off the road, oh, I'm going to my church. But I again, I will say thank God for the zoom, thank God for the streaming, but when you can get in there, because it makes a huge difference.

Well, here's the thing. There's a place for all of that, and that is why churches have to advance and make sure that they have those things available. Now, as I said before, just like I didn't come, you know, like I didn't zoom with you guys, is because I wanted to be physically in the room. There's just something you're going to get inside the buildings that you cannot get just on zoom. And and I'm going to have to confess because my job takes me out most of the time where I can't get back to my physical church. And so as soon as I am off the road, oh, I'm going to my church. But I again, I will say thank God for the zoom, thank God for the streaming, but when you can get in there, because it makes a huge difference.

I ain't caught the Holy spirit of zoom yet. I watched The Podic House every Sunday.

I ain't caught the Holy spirit of zoom yet. I watched The Podic House every Sunday.

Yes, but it's different when you're actually in the part. Yes, you do. Yes, when you're watching it on I like it is good, yes, But when you dead it's different. You can feel good, you can.

Yes, but it's different when you're actually in the part. Yes, you do. Yes, when you're watching it on I like it is good, yes, But when you dead it's different. You can feel good, you can.

I wanted to know do you look at music how you look at acting?

I wanted to know do you look at music how you look at acting?

Right?

Right?

So there's certain music you're not going to sing because you don't you don't stay it. But do you look at that as acting as well?

So there's certain music you're not going to sing because you don't you don't stay it. But do you look at that as acting as well?

Like?

Like?

Is there parts that you say that doesn't fit my quote unquote persona? But it is acting, so you're really taking yourself out of your person and being somebody else? Like would Landa Adams ever be like a drug king queen like Mary J.

Is there parts that you say that doesn't fit my quote unquote persona? But it is acting, so you're really taking yourself out of your person and being somebody else? Like would Landa Adams ever be like a drug king queen like Mary J.

Blige and Power?

Blige and Power?

Would you play that part?

Would you play that part?

Would you play certain parts that don't necessarily sit you fit your persona?

Would you play certain parts that don't necessarily sit you fit your persona?

Now I wouldn't be a drug dealer or a queen pen, but I would I like Meaty Rolls. That's why I took on Danita Jordan because although we're gospel artists and family women, she's she's cutthroat and I'm the total opposite. You know, I let people live because I think God can get you better than I can't right, you know so, But I would and this is this is gonna sound really crazy. I would like to to do a role like murder, she wrote. I'd like to be a detective and see that that involves gore and that's still a positive side.

Now I wouldn't be a drug dealer or a queen pen, but I would I like Meaty Rolls. That's why I took on Danita Jordan because although we're gospel artists and family women, she's she's cutthroat and I'm the total opposite. You know, I let people live because I think God can get you better than I can't right, you know so, But I would and this is this is gonna sound really crazy. I would like to to do a role like murder, she wrote. I'd like to be a detective and see that that involves gore and that's still a positive side.

Would you be on the other side of that? Would you.

Would you be on the other side of that? Would you.

Know what? I don't know. No one is ever asking me that question.

Know what? I don't know. No one is ever asking me that question.

What if he was killing people who were possessed by the devil. There's this movie called Is about that, but this guy was. They thought he was a serial killer, but literally God was giving him visions and the people he was killing, Oh yes, people that are killing mom are terrible people, oh wow.

What if he was killing people who were possessed by the devil. There's this movie called Is about that, but this guy was. They thought he was a serial killer, but literally God was giving him visions and the people he was killing, Oh yes, people that are killing mom are terrible people, oh wow.

And it was all rooted in his faith for God.

And it was all rooted in his faith for God.

I'm going to have to research that. I'm gonna have to research that because I don't know if God just wants you to kill people.

I'm going to have to research that. I'm gonna have to research that because I don't know if God just wants you to kill people.

So people don't even come to you with those typers like you don't have to turn down that stuff.

So people don't even come to you with those typers like you don't have to turn down that stuff.

They don't even come to Yeah, yeah, I don't have to turn down those. But I did have to turn down a record deal when I was making the transition from one gospel label to you know, a secular label. This guy was like, yeah, we have this thing. We're gonna turn you into this you know this, this mega this and I'm like, okay, so how is that going to be possible? Well, the first thing you're gonna have to do, you're gonna have to learn how to butterfly. And I'm like, wait, can you imagine me doing the butter as long as I am serious? He was serious now we were in London. He was serious to the praise and worship. It's going to be like you know, it's gonna be yea kind of crossover infusion whatever. I'm like, we never found out is.

They don't even come to Yeah, yeah, I don't have to turn down those. But I did have to turn down a record deal when I was making the transition from one gospel label to you know, a secular label. This guy was like, yeah, we have this thing. We're gonna turn you into this you know this, this mega this and I'm like, okay, so how is that going to be possible? Well, the first thing you're gonna have to do, you're gonna have to learn how to butterfly. And I'm like, wait, can you imagine me doing the butter as long as I am serious? He was serious now we were in London. He was serious to the praise and worship. It's going to be like you know, it's gonna be yea kind of crossover infusion whatever. I'm like, we never found out is.

Any hip hop records you ever turned down? Like somebody want to want you to sing a hook of something?

Any hip hop records you ever turned down? Like somebody want to want you to sing a hook of something?

Well, you know I've done, uh the hook with Bone Stuck's Harmony. They did Order My Steps, they redid that. Let me see who else? You know? I've been sampled several times. Nick Cannon has done a samples when he was a Nickelodeon and Disney kid. So it was you are crazy and so I've done that, but I don't know it's according to you know, did I?

Well, you know I've done, uh the hook with Bone Stuck's Harmony. They did Order My Steps, they redid that. Let me see who else? You know? I've been sampled several times. Nick Cannon has done a samples when he was a Nickelodeon and Disney kid. So it was you are crazy and so I've done that, but I don't know it's according to you know, did I?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I've done some stuff with Trade the Truth, done some stuff with Common and who else is one more? Oh? Uh? I think the truth from Philly.

I've done some stuff with Trade the Truth, done some stuff with Common and who else is one more? Oh? Uh? I think the truth from Philly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, so I've done some out of the box stuff I'm kind of proud of.

So, yeah, so I've done some out of the box stuff I'm kind of proud of.

Like what you said earlier, you said you feel like God can handle people better than you can.

Like what you said earlier, you said you feel like God can handle people better than you can.

Absolutely, So can you share time with like your faith might have been tested.

Absolutely, So can you share time with like your faith might have been tested.

All the time? Well yeah, because again I'm the oldest of six kids, so I'm that protector. And for someone to think that they had an advantage or could take advantage of my kindness and and try to like, you know, and try to play me as y'all would say. You know, it's like bruh me and God got this. So you don't think God's gonna tell me first before you try to do something. And people are really surprised when you don't come at them the way they would come at you when you don't match energy, because it's like naw, I've learned long time ago. If you want to just sit back and watch God do it, sit back and watch God do it, because as soon as you put your hand in it and try to fix something, it's gonna mess up. And then you're gonna mess up your purpose, you're gonna mess up your journey. And I would rather God say you know what. I'm so proud of you. Yeah you held on. Now I may go home and just yell and screen, but it's like, nah, how.

All the time? Well yeah, because again I'm the oldest of six kids, so I'm that protector. And for someone to think that they had an advantage or could take advantage of my kindness and and try to like, you know, and try to play me as y'all would say. You know, it's like bruh me and God got this. So you don't think God's gonna tell me first before you try to do something. And people are really surprised when you don't come at them the way they would come at you when you don't match energy, because it's like naw, I've learned long time ago. If you want to just sit back and watch God do it, sit back and watch God do it, because as soon as you put your hand in it and try to fix something, it's gonna mess up. And then you're gonna mess up your purpose, you're gonna mess up your journey. And I would rather God say you know what. I'm so proud of you. Yeah you held on. Now I may go home and just yell and screen, but it's like, nah, how.

Are you so tapped in? Because like you, I Reverend sexy Red. You know who sexy Red is. You know power?

Are you so tapped in? Because like you, I Reverend sexy Red. You know who sexy Red is. You know power?

Like you know how you so tapped into everything that's going on. You know you made the pre statement.

Like you know how you so tapped into everything that's going on. You know you made the pre statement.

Well, I have known do priest since he was a little kid.

Well, I have known do priest since he was a little kid.

I feel like a lot of gods, but you're not traditionally, like you're not the traditional gods artist. A lot of gospel artists and people in the world of God they tap out of stuff, they remove it, or they act likely they don't see it even though it's in front of them.

I feel like a lot of gods, but you're not traditionally, like you're not the traditional gods artist. A lot of gospel artists and people in the world of God they tap out of stuff, they remove it, or they act likely they don't see it even though it's in front of them.

Well, I mean, I get a chance, thankfully to be in a lot of places like the BET Awards, the Grammy Awards, places like that. And I mean, and you have to live in a box not to know current music. I'm a music lover, so I listen to all types of music because again, I have a daughter, Right, you listen to sexy Right? No, not at all. I know I'm saying. I listen to a lot, but I know who she is because she's been on the BET Awards and things like that. And and for me, I listened to beats, I listen to words, and I love sincerity and music, you.

Well, I mean, I get a chance, thankfully to be in a lot of places like the BET Awards, the Grammy Awards, places like that. And I mean, and you have to live in a box not to know current music. I'm a music lover, so I listen to all types of music because again, I have a daughter, Right, you listen to sexy Right? No, not at all. I know I'm saying. I listen to a lot, but I know who she is because she's been on the BET Awards and things like that. And and for me, I listened to beats, I listen to words, and I love sincerity and music, you.

Know, And so.

Know, And so.

I yeah, And my daughter keeps me pretty cool. You know, she's twenty three, so she keeps me real cool.

I yeah, And my daughter keeps me pretty cool. You know, she's twenty three, so she keeps me real cool.

I've got two more questions for you.

I've got two more questions for you.

Do do you feel because of your faith and because you do gospel music that you get put in a box?

Do do you feel because of your faith and because you do gospel music that you get put in a box?

Oh, they tried years ago. I mean, they really tried years ago. Okay, so we're gonna put you in this little comfortable space and blah blah blah. And I'm like, ah, I think we're bigger than that, because God is bigger than that, you know. I mean there's so many things that we could talk about God being bigger than I mean, He is ultimate. So if God is everywhere at the same time, blessing everyone and you know, holding the world together, why would I allow someone who has a small view of God to crush my big view of God? Knowing that I've lived long enough to see the bigness and the hugeness of God. So I'm telling you it started when I was a teenager because I started singing and a choir we were going all over the country and stuff. And then I had my first billboard song at seventeen, and I realized at that time, wow, I like this. I like doing this. And then I would see Tremaine Hawkins and Shirley Caesar and people like that doing it for a living. I'm like, Okay, God, well, however, you got to do that, let's do that. And and I saw the kind of box they tried to put Tremaine in when she started singing solo aside from the Hawkins family, she had this amazing song. You guys are probably too young to remember. She had this amazing song called fall Down on Me and it was talking about the Holy Spirit. But she had a couple of dancers and Kevin Bond, who was amazing, was on one of the little piano guitar things running around, you know. And it was a joyful song, nothing disrespectful. And they gave her grief about that, and I'm like, wow, So I've seen that happen to other people, and I refuse to let it happen to me. And I love God's timing in my life. It's always been about his timing and me wanting his time. Because years later, I'm sitting here with the Breakfast Club discussing my fourteenth project, you know, But think about it, though, if I had gotten mad at the producer who says, oh, you'll never sell more than this guy. You'll never sell more than that guy because there was a whole bunch of chauvinism in gospel music way back then. And instead of getting like upset, you know, fighting back, I just like, I've taken my hands off of it and I've outsold those men. Some of them are gone home to be with the Lord and I'm still here. So I know what that feels like. But I also know what it feels like to tell young people like a Leandria, like Atasha and like Kei Key Sheared and all of the young people who I've mentored over the years, is that you don't have to be anybody but you, and you stand your ground. If you want to sing a song that somebody may not agree with, you sing that song because somebody out there is gonna be touched by that song. I mean, Open my Heart is one of those songs that you guys have played for years, and we just celebrated what twenty five, twenty six years of Opened My heart and I can't go anywhere in the world and not sing that song.

Oh, they tried years ago. I mean, they really tried years ago. Okay, so we're gonna put you in this little comfortable space and blah blah blah. And I'm like, ah, I think we're bigger than that, because God is bigger than that, you know. I mean there's so many things that we could talk about God being bigger than I mean, He is ultimate. So if God is everywhere at the same time, blessing everyone and you know, holding the world together, why would I allow someone who has a small view of God to crush my big view of God? Knowing that I've lived long enough to see the bigness and the hugeness of God. So I'm telling you it started when I was a teenager because I started singing and a choir we were going all over the country and stuff. And then I had my first billboard song at seventeen, and I realized at that time, wow, I like this. I like doing this. And then I would see Tremaine Hawkins and Shirley Caesar and people like that doing it for a living. I'm like, Okay, God, well, however, you got to do that, let's do that. And and I saw the kind of box they tried to put Tremaine in when she started singing solo aside from the Hawkins family, she had this amazing song. You guys are probably too young to remember. She had this amazing song called fall Down on Me and it was talking about the Holy Spirit. But she had a couple of dancers and Kevin Bond, who was amazing, was on one of the little piano guitar things running around, you know. And it was a joyful song, nothing disrespectful. And they gave her grief about that, and I'm like, wow, So I've seen that happen to other people, and I refuse to let it happen to me. And I love God's timing in my life. It's always been about his timing and me wanting his time. Because years later, I'm sitting here with the Breakfast Club discussing my fourteenth project, you know, But think about it, though, if I had gotten mad at the producer who says, oh, you'll never sell more than this guy. You'll never sell more than that guy because there was a whole bunch of chauvinism in gospel music way back then. And instead of getting like upset, you know, fighting back, I just like, I've taken my hands off of it and I've outsold those men. Some of them are gone home to be with the Lord and I'm still here. So I know what that feels like. But I also know what it feels like to tell young people like a Leandria, like Atasha and like Kei Key Sheared and all of the young people who I've mentored over the years, is that you don't have to be anybody but you, and you stand your ground. If you want to sing a song that somebody may not agree with, you sing that song because somebody out there is gonna be touched by that song. I mean, Open my Heart is one of those songs that you guys have played for years, and we just celebrated what twenty five, twenty six years of Opened My heart and I can't go anywhere in the world and not sing that song.