Wake that answer up in the morning.

Wake that answer up in the morning.

Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is DJ Envy, Charlomagne the guy.

Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is DJ Envy, Charlomagne the guy.

We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest joining us this morning. We got Peers Morgan. Welcome, Thank you. How are you doing this morning.

We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest joining us this morning. We got Peers Morgan. Welcome, Thank you. How are you doing this morning.

It's good to be here. I'm a little bit apprehensive because I messaged my sons to tell me the big news I was coming on, and well, my middle boy is a big fan of the show, and he said that you gotta be carefully. He said, Charlemagne is a bit of a menace. And I went and then I didn't reply, and he then paused and then replied again, actually so used so she could be fining. You shouldn't reply.

It's good to be here. I'm a little bit apprehensive because I messaged my sons to tell me the big news I was coming on, and well, my middle boy is a big fan of the show, and he said that you gotta be carefully. He said, Charlemagne is a bit of a menace. And I went and then I didn't reply, and he then paused and then replied again, actually so used so she could be fining. You shouldn't reply.

You got to be friends, should reply back.

You got to be friends, should reply back.

Do you know who your father is? You know what I wanted to always ask you know, and reference to that I heard you say once you were hired to be controversial when you got the gig at ITV. So is my question is Peers Morgan actually controversial or is it just performative?

Do you know who your father is? You know what I wanted to always ask you know, and reference to that I heard you say once you were hired to be controversial when you got the gig at ITV. So is my question is Peers Morgan actually controversial or is it just performative?

Well, I don't wake up in the morning and start screaming at my family about the state of my my marmte on toast, but I am, by nature very opinionated. I've encouraged my four kids, who range from twelve to thirty, to have opinions about everything. I'ither if you don't have opinions, you have a lazy mind. I always believe the things I say at the time I say them. I'm happy to change my view if somebody gives me a compelling argument for why I'm wrong. I have no problem saying, you know what, you have a point, I'm changing my perspective. But yeah, look, am I controversial? I often take issue with that because I don't actually think my views of that controversial. I actually think that they're controversial if you only judge my opinions by what Twitter now x says. But then eighty percent of the public are not on twitter x. Eighty percent of the public aren't on social media at all. And when I walk around the streets, whether it's in New York or LA or it's London or wherever it may be, Sidney, Australia, I get a very different reaction to the one that I get on on the social media platforms where people go everything you say is outrageous. Well, actually it's not. I think I have reasonably popular views which a lot of people subscribe to. I don't I think a bit like you. I don't know your politics, but I think like you. I don't identify as as left or right. I think I'd like to go after everybody, examine their opinions, challenge them, and I think that's the way you should be if you're in our game. So I don't like to be identified into a box about anything so that I look am I controversial? I say things forcefully. I expressed my opinions forcefully. I don't think that's controversial.

Well, I don't wake up in the morning and start screaming at my family about the state of my my marmte on toast, but I am, by nature very opinionated. I've encouraged my four kids, who range from twelve to thirty, to have opinions about everything. I'ither if you don't have opinions, you have a lazy mind. I always believe the things I say at the time I say them. I'm happy to change my view if somebody gives me a compelling argument for why I'm wrong. I have no problem saying, you know what, you have a point, I'm changing my perspective. But yeah, look, am I controversial? I often take issue with that because I don't actually think my views of that controversial. I actually think that they're controversial if you only judge my opinions by what Twitter now x says. But then eighty percent of the public are not on twitter x. Eighty percent of the public aren't on social media at all. And when I walk around the streets, whether it's in New York or LA or it's London or wherever it may be, Sidney, Australia, I get a very different reaction to the one that I get on on the social media platforms where people go everything you say is outrageous. Well, actually it's not. I think I have reasonably popular views which a lot of people subscribe to. I don't I think a bit like you. I don't know your politics, but I think like you. I don't identify as as left or right. I think I'd like to go after everybody, examine their opinions, challenge them, and I think that's the way you should be if you're in our game. So I don't like to be identified into a box about anything so that I look am I controversial? I say things forcefully. I expressed my opinions forcefully. I don't think that's controversial.

People.

People.

For people that don't know who Peers Morgan is and how you got into this is there anybody.

For people that don't know who Peers Morgan is and how you got into this is there anybody.

And then you know, don't.

And then you know, don't.

Know how you got into this entertainment world? Break down, how you got into this world, how you started off at the sun, and what made you follow this path?

Know how you got into this entertainment world? Break down, how you got into this world, how you started off at the sun, and what made you follow this path?

Well, I was from the very early age, like six or seven. My mum remembers me reading newspapers avidly, and in Britain, the national newspaper culture is very big. We have about thirteen national newspapers, very unusual. Obviously we're a very small island by comparison to the United States, but it means that the national papers have a very large influence over the thinking of the people, and we have a wide range of papers, left wing, right wing, centrist is something for everybody. But I used to read the papers avidly when I was six or seven and read out stories to it, so I had this thing in my blood. Had a few journalists in the family. I just wanted to be a journalist, and I ended up going to journalism college, ended up going on local newspapers doing all the flower shows, the weddings, you know, all the boring stuff but important because it teaches you the craft of reporting. And then I got onto The Sun, which was at the time the biggest selling tabloid newspaper in Britain. In fact, I think it was in the world at the time, and I very quickly became the show business editor, doing a column called Bizarre, which basically did what it said on the tin. It covered the bizarre world of entertainment. It was a great gig. It was a time when newspapers sold huge amounts. My son sold over four million copies a day and was read by about eleven to twelve million, so huge audience. And my job was to go around the world in very nice conditions and interview the world's most famous people and to cover what they got up to. And I really enjoyed it. Did it for five years, and then Rupert Murdoch, who owned The Sun, he flew me to a beach in Miami. I walked along the beach with him for three hours. I had no idea what I was doing there. I was twenty seven years old. And the consequence of that long walk along the beach was he made me editor of the News of the World, which was his biggest selling newspaper in the world. It was the biggest sitting newspaper berl It's closed.

Well, I was from the very early age, like six or seven. My mum remembers me reading newspapers avidly, and in Britain, the national newspaper culture is very big. We have about thirteen national newspapers, very unusual. Obviously we're a very small island by comparison to the United States, but it means that the national papers have a very large influence over the thinking of the people, and we have a wide range of papers, left wing, right wing, centrist is something for everybody. But I used to read the papers avidly when I was six or seven and read out stories to it, so I had this thing in my blood. Had a few journalists in the family. I just wanted to be a journalist, and I ended up going to journalism college, ended up going on local newspapers doing all the flower shows, the weddings, you know, all the boring stuff but important because it teaches you the craft of reporting. And then I got onto The Sun, which was at the time the biggest selling tabloid newspaper in Britain. In fact, I think it was in the world at the time, and I very quickly became the show business editor, doing a column called Bizarre, which basically did what it said on the tin. It covered the bizarre world of entertainment. It was a great gig. It was a time when newspapers sold huge amounts. My son sold over four million copies a day and was read by about eleven to twelve million, so huge audience. And my job was to go around the world in very nice conditions and interview the world's most famous people and to cover what they got up to. And I really enjoyed it. Did it for five years, and then Rupert Murdoch, who owned The Sun, he flew me to a beach in Miami. I walked along the beach with him for three hours. I had no idea what I was doing there. I was twenty seven years old. And the consequence of that long walk along the beach was he made me editor of the News of the World, which was his biggest selling newspaper in the world. It was the biggest sitting newspaper berl It's closed.

Now And.

Now And.

I took on this extraordinary job at a ridiculously young age and we year with it. It was nineteen ninety four.

I took on this extraordinary job at a ridiculously young age and we year with it. It was nineteen ninety four.

That was the way before FI.

That was the way before FI.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my whole trajectory from my youth on was was to become a national newspaper journalist. And I became an editor of the biggest setting papers in the country at a very I was the youngest editor ever of a paper there. I then moved to the Daily Mirror, which was a slightly left to center newspaper News of the World with slightly writer's center. So going back to what I said earlier, I can. I never park myself into either box really politically, and I did that for nearly ten years competing against Rupert Murdock. So I had the benefit of working for a man I considered to be a genius when it comes to the media, and then competing against him. And I have to say it was more fun competing against him because we were the underdogs. We had less money, less staff, less resource. I found that a brilliant challenge and then I got fired. It was a huge scandal in the UK. The Iraq War was raging. I had taken the papers position as anti war very aggressively. Tony Blair was the Prime Minister in the UK and we were the labor supporting newspaper historically, but I went against him on the war, and I think I've been vindicated by subsequent events. I felt was an illegal conflict. What complicated it more for me was my own brother, who was an army officer in the Royal Regiment of Wales, actually went on the front line in Basra in Iraq at the same time that I was opposing the war. So for my family it was a very complex situation. As you can imagine, but I got fired because we got some pictures. You may remember the Abu Grabe pictures which came out of American troops abusing Iraqi civilians. They were horrific and we were passed some pictures not as bad, but they were pretty awful, and we published them and it was said they were faked. I've never been fully i think, confident of exactly what they were. The story that they depicted was never denied, is accepted as being true. It was British troops abusing Iraqis civilians.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my whole trajectory from my youth on was was to become a national newspaper journalist. And I became an editor of the biggest setting papers in the country at a very I was the youngest editor ever of a paper there. I then moved to the Daily Mirror, which was a slightly left to center newspaper News of the World with slightly writer's center. So going back to what I said earlier, I can. I never park myself into either box really politically, and I did that for nearly ten years competing against Rupert Murdock. So I had the benefit of working for a man I considered to be a genius when it comes to the media, and then competing against him. And I have to say it was more fun competing against him because we were the underdogs. We had less money, less staff, less resource. I found that a brilliant challenge and then I got fired. It was a huge scandal in the UK. The Iraq War was raging. I had taken the papers position as anti war very aggressively. Tony Blair was the Prime Minister in the UK and we were the labor supporting newspaper historically, but I went against him on the war, and I think I've been vindicated by subsequent events. I felt was an illegal conflict. What complicated it more for me was my own brother, who was an army officer in the Royal Regiment of Wales, actually went on the front line in Basra in Iraq at the same time that I was opposing the war. So for my family it was a very complex situation. As you can imagine, but I got fired because we got some pictures. You may remember the Abu Grabe pictures which came out of American troops abusing Iraqi civilians. They were horrific and we were passed some pictures not as bad, but they were pretty awful, and we published them and it was said they were faked. I've never been fully i think, confident of exactly what they were. The story that they depicted was never denied, is accepted as being true. It was British troops abusing Iraqis civilians.

And they retracted it all right.

And they retracted it all right.

The paper fired me and then said sorry, but I didn't say sorry, and I haven't attracted it. And I the more I've gleaned over the next twenty years twenty years incredible. Since it happened, I've been told by many people in the army that actually they might well have depicted, not just depicted, a genuine incident, but the pictures themselves may not have been what people were led to believe. So I was thrown into the wilderness. My dream was over of being a newspaper journalist. I was thirty eight. I became the youngest editor to be appointed and the youngest to be fired. It was a nice little win win at both ends of that career. And then I had lunch with a guy called Simon cow Wow, who's been an old friend of mine back when no one knew who he was. He was a record plugger. He used to plug some terrible records and I used to help him promote them.

The paper fired me and then said sorry, but I didn't say sorry, and I haven't attracted it. And I the more I've gleaned over the next twenty years twenty years incredible. Since it happened, I've been told by many people in the army that actually they might well have depicted, not just depicted, a genuine incident, but the pictures themselves may not have been what people were led to believe. So I was thrown into the wilderness. My dream was over of being a newspaper journalist. I was thirty eight. I became the youngest editor to be appointed and the youngest to be fired. It was a nice little win win at both ends of that career. And then I had lunch with a guy called Simon cow Wow, who's been an old friend of mine back when no one knew who he was. He was a record plugger. He used to plug some terrible records and I used to help him promote them.

Some of the plugger is like a record promoter here and.

Some of the plugger is like a record promoter here and.

Record promotes, and you know, he was an R guy basically for a record company. His job was to get publicity and stuff behind the records of the company, and I would help him do that with my column. So we'd established a little relationship which worked for me. He'd give me interviews with his guys and so on. And Simon Carr took me for lunch and he went, what are you gonna do? I said, I have absolutely no idea. We were at the Belvedere in Kensington and London, lovely restaurant. He went, we said, He said, look, I'm thinking about bringing back a talent show. I went, okay, I said, what do you mean. He said, well, you remember the old Gong show in America. He said, there's nothing like it on TV anymore. There's Idol, which is a singing show, and he was the biggest TV star in the world at the time. On Idol, he said, but there's nothing that's like all round entertainment. Any talent will do. And he said, I'm going to I'm going to try and do this, so long story short, he mapped out on a little handkerchief in the restaurant. He mapped out what you'd have. You'd have like a mother hen judge, you'd have a controversial judge, you'd have a straight down middle charge, you'd have a good host and they could do any talent. And we then was interesting story behind it because we then did a pilot for that which was called paul O'Grady's Got Talent. You probably don't know who he was. He died sadly recently, but he was a huge TV star in the UK, very popular, and the pilot was brilliant and ITV the network loved it. It was just going to be my big comeback. I was frilled primetime television. It's amazing as a talent show judge. And then Paula Grady fell out with ITV hurled abuse out them, defected to the Rivals and the show got put on the back burner, and I was completely disconsolate. Theyka, what am I gonna do now? And then I'll never forget. I got a text from Cowl about two months later, maybe even earlier, saying I've sold the rights to Got Talent to NBC in America and they want to repackage it as America's Got Talent and I can't be on it because of Idol. And I was trying to think, who do I know who's as annoying, egotistical, a in jectionable and judgmental as me? And your name has immediately sprung to my and I was flown to It was a crazy period in my life. I was flown to La Simon picked me up and he's Bentley at the airport. The next day, I met with two NBC executives who'd never heard of me. I had to sell myself, it said, just bullshit them like you normally would, which I did obviously quite as successfully, because the next thing is two weeks later, I'm on the Paramount movie lot with the famous Melrose Gates in La in a trailer next to David Hasselhoff with Regis Philbin down the alley, and I'm in this show America's got talent now. He said to me, cal don't get too excited because most shows open and bomb, right, So you got a kind of three and thirty chance, all right, that's it. The rest just get tanked. So just enjoy it, have fun. And he said, and be right with your judgments eighty percent of a time. If you do that, it can be as mean as you want. But if you're wrong and the public at home don't agree with you, the mean act doesn't play cudge right. But if you if you're tough but right, and the audience agrees with you, the app will fly. And we recorded all the audition shows and the first night it went on air, I was in the UK. He was in La and he rang me and and he did the full cow on me. He said, Peers, it's Simon. It's it's not good news. And I went, oh no, he said, it's really it's bad news, really bad. I went, oh, how bad? You went it's well for me personally. He said, it's as bad as it could possibly be. Wow, how bad was the rate? I was like, this is okay, I'm done. He went yeah, Unfortunately, it's number one in the racings, which means you just became a massive star of America and I feel like doctor frankenstar. And that was that, and that was the start of my TV world. So I did America's Got Talent for six years. Then I did Celebrity Apprentice with a certain Donald Trump as host. It was the first season of the celebrity version. I won it.

Record promotes, and you know, he was an R guy basically for a record company. His job was to get publicity and stuff behind the records of the company, and I would help him do that with my column. So we'd established a little relationship which worked for me. He'd give me interviews with his guys and so on. And Simon Carr took me for lunch and he went, what are you gonna do? I said, I have absolutely no idea. We were at the Belvedere in Kensington and London, lovely restaurant. He went, we said, He said, look, I'm thinking about bringing back a talent show. I went, okay, I said, what do you mean. He said, well, you remember the old Gong show in America. He said, there's nothing like it on TV anymore. There's Idol, which is a singing show, and he was the biggest TV star in the world at the time. On Idol, he said, but there's nothing that's like all round entertainment. Any talent will do. And he said, I'm going to I'm going to try and do this, so long story short, he mapped out on a little handkerchief in the restaurant. He mapped out what you'd have. You'd have like a mother hen judge, you'd have a controversial judge, you'd have a straight down middle charge, you'd have a good host and they could do any talent. And we then was interesting story behind it because we then did a pilot for that which was called paul O'Grady's Got Talent. You probably don't know who he was. He died sadly recently, but he was a huge TV star in the UK, very popular, and the pilot was brilliant and ITV the network loved it. It was just going to be my big comeback. I was frilled primetime television. It's amazing as a talent show judge. And then Paula Grady fell out with ITV hurled abuse out them, defected to the Rivals and the show got put on the back burner, and I was completely disconsolate. Theyka, what am I gonna do now? And then I'll never forget. I got a text from Cowl about two months later, maybe even earlier, saying I've sold the rights to Got Talent to NBC in America and they want to repackage it as America's Got Talent and I can't be on it because of Idol. And I was trying to think, who do I know who's as annoying, egotistical, a in jectionable and judgmental as me? And your name has immediately sprung to my and I was flown to It was a crazy period in my life. I was flown to La Simon picked me up and he's Bentley at the airport. The next day, I met with two NBC executives who'd never heard of me. I had to sell myself, it said, just bullshit them like you normally would, which I did obviously quite as successfully, because the next thing is two weeks later, I'm on the Paramount movie lot with the famous Melrose Gates in La in a trailer next to David Hasselhoff with Regis Philbin down the alley, and I'm in this show America's got talent now. He said to me, cal don't get too excited because most shows open and bomb, right, So you got a kind of three and thirty chance, all right, that's it. The rest just get tanked. So just enjoy it, have fun. And he said, and be right with your judgments eighty percent of a time. If you do that, it can be as mean as you want. But if you're wrong and the public at home don't agree with you, the mean act doesn't play cudge right. But if you if you're tough but right, and the audience agrees with you, the app will fly. And we recorded all the audition shows and the first night it went on air, I was in the UK. He was in La and he rang me and and he did the full cow on me. He said, Peers, it's Simon. It's it's not good news. And I went, oh no, he said, it's really it's bad news, really bad. I went, oh, how bad? You went it's well for me personally. He said, it's as bad as it could possibly be. Wow, how bad was the rate? I was like, this is okay, I'm done. He went yeah, Unfortunately, it's number one in the racings, which means you just became a massive star of America and I feel like doctor frankenstar. And that was that, and that was the start of my TV world. So I did America's Got Talent for six years. Then I did Celebrity Apprentice with a certain Donald Trump as host. It was the first season of the celebrity version. I won it.

Did he really smell? People say he have smelled?

Did he really smell? People say he have smelled?

No, he was always immaculate, And actually I always yeah, he smelled fine. He was he was. I tell you what was interesting. Someone asked the other day about this. He was much more empathetic in the boardrooms for hours on end than he's ever been as president. It was interesting to watch he stopped that empathy val which I saw a lot of in the Apprentice. I don't know why it would help him. It's almost like he feels you have to be this big, tough guy. If I were advising him, I'd say, if you do win again, bring a bit of empathy, right. People goes a long way. But I ended up winning. That went back on town and then as a result of all this, really what I wanted to do was to do a big interview show and then Larry King stepped down from CNN the greatest bit of interview real estate in world television. Yeah, and my late great manager, John Ferreta somehow got me the gig and we celebrated the Beverly Wolf should Cut restaurant with a bottle of nineteen sixty one Chatela Tour. I think I paid about ten thousand dollars for it, and we drank it very slow slip by very slow sip, and I signed the contract which was brought to me by the front desk from CNN at about midnight. And that was one of the great moments of my life and my manager's life, and that took the whole thing full circle. Did nearly four years at CNN interviewing amazing array of people, and then I came back to the UK did the Breakfast Show. Just to be clear, we had the most dangerous morning show in the water. Not you guys, you guys, you kind of date. We were properly dangerous. And then, as you may may recall the Megan and Harry interview ed on Oprah Winfrey, I took a view. I didn't believe a word they were saying about the more serious allegations, which I think has stood the test of time pretty well actually, given no evidence as ever emerged and I got fired again. We'll put in the position where either I should apology or I lost my job. Now, at the time, we were killing it in the rating. We had just beaten the BBC for the first time in our show's history. We trebled the ratings in five years. We were on fire. We were dangerous and narcic, like anything happened. I never used to look at scripts. It was just like off we went every day and so it was a real shame and I didn't want to leave it, but I left it, and then I went back to work for my old boss, Rupert Murdoch. He was watching a new network in the UK, Talk TV, and my show Appeers Morgan uncensored, which was what I needed to be without people making me apologize to people I thought were lying for saying I don't believe them. And that's where I've I've ended up and I love it. It's you know we've been on are It'll be two years in April. I think we found ourselves a voice of being genuinely uncensored, platforming everybody, challenging everybody. I love it. It airs in three Continents Australia the US on Fox Nation. Here talk to you v in the UK, and that leads me to my career high, which is appearing on your show.

No, he was always immaculate, And actually I always yeah, he smelled fine. He was he was. I tell you what was interesting. Someone asked the other day about this. He was much more empathetic in the boardrooms for hours on end than he's ever been as president. It was interesting to watch he stopped that empathy val which I saw a lot of in the Apprentice. I don't know why it would help him. It's almost like he feels you have to be this big, tough guy. If I were advising him, I'd say, if you do win again, bring a bit of empathy, right. People goes a long way. But I ended up winning. That went back on town and then as a result of all this, really what I wanted to do was to do a big interview show and then Larry King stepped down from CNN the greatest bit of interview real estate in world television. Yeah, and my late great manager, John Ferreta somehow got me the gig and we celebrated the Beverly Wolf should Cut restaurant with a bottle of nineteen sixty one Chatela Tour. I think I paid about ten thousand dollars for it, and we drank it very slow slip by very slow sip, and I signed the contract which was brought to me by the front desk from CNN at about midnight. And that was one of the great moments of my life and my manager's life, and that took the whole thing full circle. Did nearly four years at CNN interviewing amazing array of people, and then I came back to the UK did the Breakfast Show. Just to be clear, we had the most dangerous morning show in the water. Not you guys, you guys, you kind of date. We were properly dangerous. And then, as you may may recall the Megan and Harry interview ed on Oprah Winfrey, I took a view. I didn't believe a word they were saying about the more serious allegations, which I think has stood the test of time pretty well actually, given no evidence as ever emerged and I got fired again. We'll put in the position where either I should apology or I lost my job. Now, at the time, we were killing it in the rating. We had just beaten the BBC for the first time in our show's history. We trebled the ratings in five years. We were on fire. We were dangerous and narcic, like anything happened. I never used to look at scripts. It was just like off we went every day and so it was a real shame and I didn't want to leave it, but I left it, and then I went back to work for my old boss, Rupert Murdoch. He was watching a new network in the UK, Talk TV, and my show Appeers Morgan uncensored, which was what I needed to be without people making me apologize to people I thought were lying for saying I don't believe them. And that's where I've I've ended up and I love it. It's you know we've been on are It'll be two years in April. I think we found ourselves a voice of being genuinely uncensored, platforming everybody, challenging everybody. I love it. It airs in three Continents Australia the US on Fox Nation. Here talk to you v in the UK, and that leads me to my career high, which is appearing on your show.

You had me on on Sents the two.

You had me on on Sents the two.

I appreciate that a few conversations, a few questions came out of everything you just said. Number one, did Rupe of Murdoch ever try to hire you at Fox News?

I appreciate that a few conversations, a few questions came out of everything you just said. Number one, did Rupe of Murdoch ever try to hire you at Fox News?

Uh? No, it is always about Fox Nation. Fox Nation is the kind of subscription platform that Fox has which runs side by side with Fox News. I do a lot of Fox News stuff, like I'm doing The Five this week for two days, I'll go on Sean Hannity Show. And but the interesting thing for me is whatever people think of Fox News, I'm never put under any pressure to tow any line, to have any view about an issue. Nothing. Nobody even talks to me. I'm allowed to just be me and have my opinions. And I have strong opinions about a lot of culture as she's in America, which do not sit well with Fox viewers, for example, about guns and things like that. Nobody ever tries to censor me when I appear on Fox News, which is interesting because I would say it's more difficult now to have that kind of freedom of someone like CNN, where I used to work, because their solo, for example, hostile towards Donald Trump. If you try to go on there and say anything positive about him, that would probably someone wouldn't like it. I don't get any of that at Fox, and I find that a really just an interesting observation for me personally, that I'm allowed to just be me and do my thing there.

Uh? No, it is always about Fox Nation. Fox Nation is the kind of subscription platform that Fox has which runs side by side with Fox News. I do a lot of Fox News stuff, like I'm doing The Five this week for two days, I'll go on Sean Hannity Show. And but the interesting thing for me is whatever people think of Fox News, I'm never put under any pressure to tow any line, to have any view about an issue. Nothing. Nobody even talks to me. I'm allowed to just be me and have my opinions. And I have strong opinions about a lot of culture as she's in America, which do not sit well with Fox viewers, for example, about guns and things like that. Nobody ever tries to censor me when I appear on Fox News, which is interesting because I would say it's more difficult now to have that kind of freedom of someone like CNN, where I used to work, because their solo, for example, hostile towards Donald Trump. If you try to go on there and say anything positive about him, that would probably someone wouldn't like it. I don't get any of that at Fox, and I find that a really just an interesting observation for me personally, that I'm allowed to just be me and do my thing there.

I'll let you be pro Trump on Fox, of course, no no.

I'll let you be pro Trump on Fox, of course, no no.

But I could be critical of Trump too. Is my point where I think it would be harder to be pro Trump on CNN and get invited back too many times.

But I could be critical of Trump too. Is my point where I think it would be harder to be pro Trump on CNN and get invited back too many times.

I think I think it's changed now.

I think I think it's changed now.

I think it has done a bit. It's good they need to because CNN should really be in the middle. Otherwise, where do American viewers go to for genuinely impartial news coverage. You've got MSNBC very you know, to the left, you've got a Fox obviously very conservative. You need to have CNN to be impartial. I felt they lost their minds over Trump.

I think it has done a bit. It's good they need to because CNN should really be in the middle. Otherwise, where do American viewers go to for genuinely impartial news coverage. You've got MSNBC very you know, to the left, you've got a Fox obviously very conservative. You need to have CNN to be impartial. I felt they lost their minds over Trump.

I mean, the reality is all of them should be impartial. That would be the booty. It would beautiful if all of them were objective.

I mean, the reality is all of them should be impartial. That would be the booty. It would beautiful if all of them were objective.

I actually have no problem in a country like America, a bit like the UK with the newspapers. When we had left wing papers, right paper, I used to read them all. I still do. I still when I'm back in another four or five papers, I read them all when I get a flavor for what everyone's thinking. I don't have a problem with left wing networks or conservative networks, but you've got to have some place that Americans can go to for genuinely impartial coverage. And I think in the in the UK we're quite blessed with We have the BBC, we have Sky News, we have other networks which are very, in my estimation comparative to hear, very impartial, and I like that.

I actually have no problem in a country like America, a bit like the UK with the newspapers. When we had left wing papers, right paper, I used to read them all. I still do. I still when I'm back in another four or five papers, I read them all when I get a flavor for what everyone's thinking. I don't have a problem with left wing networks or conservative networks, but you've got to have some place that Americans can go to for genuinely impartial coverage. And I think in the in the UK we're quite blessed with We have the BBC, we have Sky News, we have other networks which are very, in my estimation comparative to hear, very impartial, and I like that.

You know who used to be that for America. John's do it in the Daily Show?

You know who used to be that for America. John's do it in the Daily Show?

Yeah, well I miss him. I felt he gave up that show unfortunately too early. I think John Stuart would have been a really important voice through the whole Trump era. You know, you needed people's strong personalities through that era to put things in perspective. I don't think he would have gone the whole way in constant Trump bashing, because of course that I've known Trump a long time since I did his show. The thing about the Trump bashing is it only helps him anyway, right. I mean, I had a great conversation with Chris Rock when Trump won in twenty sixteen, and I went to the New York Knicks with my eldest son. Spency was over with me and we were just sitting in one of the VIPA is. Chris Rock is at the next table in design. So we got talking. I said, what are you making? Was just happened? The election happened the day before and New York was like a mortuary. He walked around. It was like this terrible silence everywhere. They were low did this happen? And I've been predicting Trump was going to win because I've been doing crime documentaries down in rural America, down in Alabama, down in Florida, rural Florida, rural Texas. I can feel it. I can feel the Trump trained steaming. And no one on the coast seemed to have picked up on this, and the media hadn't picked up on it. They were just like, oh, Hiary, he's going to slaughter him. She's the most qualified candidate ever. And I thought, you don't understand Middle America and what's happening here. And I think and I think the same thing is happening again now, by the way, which is why the Iowa result has shocked everyone on the coast. But you know, I remember talking to Chris Rock and he said, you know, to several things. He said, One, fame, do not underestimate the power of a television fame in America, he said, Now, he said. And secondly, he said, if someone's killed nine or eight people, I think he said, don't go around saying he's killed nine. I thought that was such an astute thing to say. Don't, as we would say in England, don't overreg the soufle right, don't exaggerate how bad Trump is to score your point or get some clicks on social media or whatever. Just give it straight. Examine what he's saying, examine what he's doing. Often, what he says and what he does are two different things, right, But don't over exaggerate, don't over demonize him, he said, you know, don't go around calling him the new Hitler when we know Hitler killed twelve million people. So I thought that was a really smart take then, and I think it's a really good bit of advice now for the Democrats, which is, if you continue to over demonize Trump, all these legal cases against him and so on, it just allows him to play the martyr, the victim. It fuels his popularity. Even Republicans who don't like Trump are rallying behind him because they think he's part of a Democrat led liberal media witch hunt. And if you allow him to play that card, he's going to win. So if you're a Democrat, this is a bad strategy, but you have to.

Yeah, well I miss him. I felt he gave up that show unfortunately too early. I think John Stuart would have been a really important voice through the whole Trump era. You know, you needed people's strong personalities through that era to put things in perspective. I don't think he would have gone the whole way in constant Trump bashing, because of course that I've known Trump a long time since I did his show. The thing about the Trump bashing is it only helps him anyway, right. I mean, I had a great conversation with Chris Rock when Trump won in twenty sixteen, and I went to the New York Knicks with my eldest son. Spency was over with me and we were just sitting in one of the VIPA is. Chris Rock is at the next table in design. So we got talking. I said, what are you making? Was just happened? The election happened the day before and New York was like a mortuary. He walked around. It was like this terrible silence everywhere. They were low did this happen? And I've been predicting Trump was going to win because I've been doing crime documentaries down in rural America, down in Alabama, down in Florida, rural Florida, rural Texas. I can feel it. I can feel the Trump trained steaming. And no one on the coast seemed to have picked up on this, and the media hadn't picked up on it. They were just like, oh, Hiary, he's going to slaughter him. She's the most qualified candidate ever. And I thought, you don't understand Middle America and what's happening here. And I think and I think the same thing is happening again now, by the way, which is why the Iowa result has shocked everyone on the coast. But you know, I remember talking to Chris Rock and he said, you know, to several things. He said, One, fame, do not underestimate the power of a television fame in America, he said, Now, he said. And secondly, he said, if someone's killed nine or eight people, I think he said, don't go around saying he's killed nine. I thought that was such an astute thing to say. Don't, as we would say in England, don't overreg the soufle right, don't exaggerate how bad Trump is to score your point or get some clicks on social media or whatever. Just give it straight. Examine what he's saying, examine what he's doing. Often, what he says and what he does are two different things, right, But don't over exaggerate, don't over demonize him, he said, you know, don't go around calling him the new Hitler when we know Hitler killed twelve million people. So I thought that was a really smart take then, and I think it's a really good bit of advice now for the Democrats, which is, if you continue to over demonize Trump, all these legal cases against him and so on, it just allows him to play the martyr, the victim. It fuels his popularity. Even Republicans who don't like Trump are rallying behind him because they think he's part of a Democrat led liberal media witch hunt. And if you allow him to play that card, he's going to win. So if you're a Democrat, this is a bad strategy, but you have to.

Hold people accountable or nobody's above the los, no.

Hold people accountable or nobody's above the los, no.

Question, absolutely, but you have to hold both sides accountable, right, and Trump needs to be held accountable. But you cannot deny that. What's happened in Iowa I thought was fascinating. He won across the board, right, I know, But if it had been if it had been a Democrat with those numbers, trust me, all the people saying yeah, would have said very different things.

Question, absolutely, but you have to hold both sides accountable, right, and Trump needs to be held accountable. But you cannot deny that. What's happened in Iowa I thought was fascinating. He won across the board, right, I know, But if it had been if it had been a Democrat with those numbers, trust me, all the people saying yeah, would have said very different things.

More enjoy yesterday. And he said otherwise. He had a differ perspective which I didn't think about. He was like fifty percent of Republicans also aboarded against Trump, which makes it it doesn't make it a slam dune.

More enjoy yesterday. And he said otherwise. He had a differ perspective which I didn't think about. He was like fifty percent of Republicans also aboarded against Trump, which makes it it doesn't make it a slam dune.

For I love Morning Joe, and I think Joe scarb was brilliant, by the way, one of my favorite people to watch on television over here. But would he have said the same thing if Joe Biden got those numbers right? And the truth is no, because of course they were tremendous numbers, or we'll.

For I love Morning Joe, and I think Joe scarb was brilliant, by the way, one of my favorite people to watch on television over here. But would he have said the same thing if Joe Biden got those numbers right? And the truth is no, because of course they were tremendous numbers, or we'll.

Never know because the Democrats don't want to do a primary. Right is also not Demira.

Never know because the Democrats don't want to do a primary. Right is also not Demira.

But the truth is Trump. You know, Trump winning by thirty thirty points of his nearest rival, Trump having the biggest win of any Republican and Iowa caucus ever. Right, these are undeniable numbers. And if Democrats want to look at these numbers and pretend they're not what they are, they are once again deluding themselves about Trump and they will be sleepwalking, which sadly, and I know you've been quite critical of Joe Biden about his just general lack of energy, in general, lack of fire. If you look at Trump, you know he's only three years younger than Biden. He looks twenty years younger than Biden. This is remember that Trump's never had a drink, never had a cigarette, never had a drug. I've had long conversations with him about his brother who died about alcoholism in his forties and made him swear off all that stuff. Right, he has an unusual health for a guy who doesn't look like an athlete. He's pretty fit, and he's got a lot of energy. He can get up there, he can rally crowds. He's a very very effective performer as a politician, regardless of what you think of his policies. And I also think he's shown qualities which are many Americans admire, not least resilience. This comeback is making Nobody thought he could do this after the stolen election bullshit, after the January sixth riots, all that stuff, after the ninety one criminal charges. Did anyone really think We've been in a position where Trump had a landslide win in Iowa and is now in most polls I'm looking at likely to beat Biden if he does end up as candidate. I mean, it's an incredible comeback.

But the truth is Trump. You know, Trump winning by thirty thirty points of his nearest rival, Trump having the biggest win of any Republican and Iowa caucus ever. Right, these are undeniable numbers. And if Democrats want to look at these numbers and pretend they're not what they are, they are once again deluding themselves about Trump and they will be sleepwalking, which sadly, and I know you've been quite critical of Joe Biden about his just general lack of energy, in general, lack of fire. If you look at Trump, you know he's only three years younger than Biden. He looks twenty years younger than Biden. This is remember that Trump's never had a drink, never had a cigarette, never had a drug. I've had long conversations with him about his brother who died about alcoholism in his forties and made him swear off all that stuff. Right, he has an unusual health for a guy who doesn't look like an athlete. He's pretty fit, and he's got a lot of energy. He can get up there, he can rally crowds. He's a very very effective performer as a politician, regardless of what you think of his policies. And I also think he's shown qualities which are many Americans admire, not least resilience. This comeback is making Nobody thought he could do this after the stolen election bullshit, after the January sixth riots, all that stuff, after the ninety one criminal charges. Did anyone really think We've been in a position where Trump had a landslide win in Iowa and is now in most polls I'm looking at likely to beat Biden if he does end up as candidate. I mean, it's an incredible comeback.

Well, it's something we say all the time, right, we know that America systemically, structurally is a racist country, and I think things like that prove it. I wanted to ask you about in Trump twenty sixteen. After you win, I can understand the case for optimism. Right, nobody wants to see this country far. But it's twenty twenty four now. Based on everything we've seen Trump do, all of the things you just you know, said, the attempted call the country to not anyone criminal charges, you still think he should be president?

Well, it's something we say all the time, right, we know that America systemically, structurally is a racist country, and I think things like that prove it. I wanted to ask you about in Trump twenty sixteen. After you win, I can understand the case for optimism. Right, nobody wants to see this country far. But it's twenty twenty four now. Based on everything we've seen Trump do, all of the things you just you know, said, the attempted call the country to not anyone criminal charges, you still think he should be president?

Well, it's on a question of whether I think he should be. It's whether I think he might be. No, I don't As a non American citizen, it's not for me to say whether Trump should be your President's down to Americans, right. What I do know is you remember that last time, after four years of Trump, nearly ten million more Americans voted for him second time round the first. It was the biggest vote for both sides. Now, Biden got a huge vote, the biggest ever. But don't forget Trump got ten million more than first time. Right. So he is hugely popular with the constituent of American people, with many tens of millions of American people, and the enthusiasm levels for him with his own base are massively higher than they are for Joe bidegre Right. I think the Democrats, if they insist on allowing Biden to progress as their nominee, are going to hand Trump the best chance he has have being re elected. They would say the opposite. They would say, well, we beat him last time. Joe Biden beat him last time because it was the anti Trump vote.

Well, it's on a question of whether I think he should be. It's whether I think he might be. No, I don't As a non American citizen, it's not for me to say whether Trump should be your President's down to Americans, right. What I do know is you remember that last time, after four years of Trump, nearly ten million more Americans voted for him second time round the first. It was the biggest vote for both sides. Now, Biden got a huge vote, the biggest ever. But don't forget Trump got ten million more than first time. Right. So he is hugely popular with the constituent of American people, with many tens of millions of American people, and the enthusiasm levels for him with his own base are massively higher than they are for Joe bidegre Right. I think the Democrats, if they insist on allowing Biden to progress as their nominee, are going to hand Trump the best chance he has have being re elected. They would say the opposite. They would say, well, we beat him last time. Joe Biden beat him last time because it was the anti Trump vote.

Not just the anti Trump vote.

Not just the anti Trump vote.

It was like some of the most tragic situations had happened. I mean, you had COVID, you had George Floyd. People were in the streets protesting like it was a series of unfortunate circumstances.

It was like some of the most tragic situations had happened. I mean, you had COVID, you had George Floyd. People were in the streets protesting like it was a series of unfortunate circumstances.

I think that helped Joe Biden list.

I think that helped Joe Biden list.

If it hadn't been for the pandemic, I think Trump would have won that last election very comfortably.

If it hadn't been for the pandemic, I think Trump would have won that last election very comfortably.

But what do you think about people now who are very critical of Joe Biden, which is probably going to influence people not to vote for Joe Biden, which is pretty much as far as all the Democrats have. So it's like even with Charlamagne, he they're very critical of him, talking bad about Joe Biden and saying no, you're right. It might push people to sit on the couch instead of go out and vote.

But what do you think about people now who are very critical of Joe Biden, which is probably going to influence people not to vote for Joe Biden, which is pretty much as far as all the Democrats have. So it's like even with Charlamagne, he they're very critical of him, talking bad about Joe Biden and saying no, you're right. It might push people to sit on the couch instead of go out and vote.

Well, I know you endorsed them both last time, right, Biden and actually.

Well, I know you endorsed them both last time, right, Biden and actually.

Endorsed Paris, Right, I didn't. I couldn't endorse Biden.

Endorsed Paris, Right, I didn't. I couldn't endorse Biden.

What do you think about a lot of people that are very critical of Joe Biden, but kind of that's that's all we have.

What do you think about a lot of people that are very critical of Joe Biden, but kind of that's that's all we have.

I think it's a bad state of affairs for the Democrats, and it's sleepwalking into potential defeat potentially to Donald Trump. I think Trump is ninety five percent certain to be the Republican nominee. And I think if you have a young, dynamic candidate on the Democrat side, then you can draw a real difference now between you and Trump. If you go for someone like Gavin Newsom, by the governor of California. All right, he's not universally beloved for a lot of his policy stuff, but I watched him go on Sean Hannity Show on Fox News for the hour really interesting. The fact that he did it shows he's got balls, right, the fact that they had a pretty courteous debate. It was very interesting. He's slick, he is, he goold operate, He's been governor of one of the biggest states in the country. You know, you look at that and you think, why wouldn't you want to parachute someone like him in to take on Trump with more energy, with more dynamism, with more of maybe you choose a path of the country you think will resonate with enough people to beat Trump. I just think Biden sadly, I don't know him personally. I had an amazing conversation with him once on the phone when his son Bo died, because Bo used to be on my CNN show a lot, and I had no doubt from that conversation. He just rang me to thank me for a column I'd written about his son, and we had a very moving conversation about loss and grief and all that kind of thing. And there's no doubt he has incredible empathy Joe Biden. But if you want to know the problem with Joe Biden, go back and look at YouTube clips of him as a senator when he was in his forties. There's one in particular where he's railing against apartheid South Africa. Is you're watching a firebrand guy, absolute firebrand. You'd vote for that guy every time. He would get the vote out against Trump in a heartbeat. He's not that guy anymore. And it's not because he's eighty one. Actually, I've met some incredibly rupert murdocks in his nineties. He still has vim and vigor and as sharp as attack Dame Joan Collins at the Emmys is a very good friend of mine. Right, Look how fan fantastic she looks. She's ninety. Right, she's nine years older than Biden but has ten times the energy. It's not about his age. Trump's seventy seventy eight. It's not about him being eighty. Mick Jagger, I met Mick Jagger at the cricket in your big cricket fans, you guys, I met Mick Dagger at a big England cricket match in the summer and he just turned eighty and I went, you know, look at you. Compare it to Joe Biden, who were laughing. I think you should be president of the United States if you're American. Because it's not about age. Jagger is only a few months younger than Biden. It's about unfortunately, it's about senility. It's about probably a slow dementia. It's about his inability to stay on two feet, his constant vocal gas and so on, and so it's sad. I don't think anyone feels good about watching Joe Biden kind of physically disintegrating in front of our eyes. But he's still nine months away from a general election and then expects us to think he can lead this amazing, huge superpower for another four years. He can't, aren't and you can't go to karma Harris. She's been a total disaster. So the Democrats, if they're not.

I think it's a bad state of affairs for the Democrats, and it's sleepwalking into potential defeat potentially to Donald Trump. I think Trump is ninety five percent certain to be the Republican nominee. And I think if you have a young, dynamic candidate on the Democrat side, then you can draw a real difference now between you and Trump. If you go for someone like Gavin Newsom, by the governor of California. All right, he's not universally beloved for a lot of his policy stuff, but I watched him go on Sean Hannity Show on Fox News for the hour really interesting. The fact that he did it shows he's got balls, right, the fact that they had a pretty courteous debate. It was very interesting. He's slick, he is, he goold operate, He's been governor of one of the biggest states in the country. You know, you look at that and you think, why wouldn't you want to parachute someone like him in to take on Trump with more energy, with more dynamism, with more of maybe you choose a path of the country you think will resonate with enough people to beat Trump. I just think Biden sadly, I don't know him personally. I had an amazing conversation with him once on the phone when his son Bo died, because Bo used to be on my CNN show a lot, and I had no doubt from that conversation. He just rang me to thank me for a column I'd written about his son, and we had a very moving conversation about loss and grief and all that kind of thing. And there's no doubt he has incredible empathy Joe Biden. But if you want to know the problem with Joe Biden, go back and look at YouTube clips of him as a senator when he was in his forties. There's one in particular where he's railing against apartheid South Africa. Is you're watching a firebrand guy, absolute firebrand. You'd vote for that guy every time. He would get the vote out against Trump in a heartbeat. He's not that guy anymore. And it's not because he's eighty one. Actually, I've met some incredibly rupert murdocks in his nineties. He still has vim and vigor and as sharp as attack Dame Joan Collins at the Emmys is a very good friend of mine. Right, Look how fan fantastic she looks. She's ninety. Right, she's nine years older than Biden but has ten times the energy. It's not about his age. Trump's seventy seventy eight. It's not about him being eighty. Mick Jagger, I met Mick Jagger at the cricket in your big cricket fans, you guys, I met Mick Dagger at a big England cricket match in the summer and he just turned eighty and I went, you know, look at you. Compare it to Joe Biden, who were laughing. I think you should be president of the United States if you're American. Because it's not about age. Jagger is only a few months younger than Biden. It's about unfortunately, it's about senility. It's about probably a slow dementia. It's about his inability to stay on two feet, his constant vocal gas and so on, and so it's sad. I don't think anyone feels good about watching Joe Biden kind of physically disintegrating in front of our eyes. But he's still nine months away from a general election and then expects us to think he can lead this amazing, huge superpower for another four years. He can't, aren't and you can't go to karma Harris. She's been a total disaster. So the Democrats, if they're not.

I think she's scared people more than I think if he had and you know this DESI for racism and sexism comes into play. I think if he has a white male vice president, I think I don't think people are as afraid of all for Biden.

I think she's scared people more than I think if he had and you know this DESI for racism and sexism comes into play. I think if he has a white male vice president, I think I don't think people are as afraid of all for Biden.

You know what, I honestly don't think he has anything to do with Carmela's race or gender. I think it's because she's turned out to be useless. And sometimes you just have to call what you see. I don't.

You know what, I honestly don't think he has anything to do with Carmela's race or gender. I think it's because she's turned out to be useless. And sometimes you just have to call what you see. I don't.

I mean most vice presidents are useless, well some of them are, and yeah, the job some of them it's it's not a great job.

I mean most vice presidents are useless, well some of them are, and yeah, the job some of them it's it's not a great job.

You don't really have any power. You just take all the flight. She's been especially ineffective. Let's put it like that, right. I met her actually once. I thought she was very charming to me, and I was expecting more. She's obviously a bright woman. She's just been incredibly ineffective for him. Her pole numbers are just as bad as his, so the paraly I.

You don't really have any power. You just take all the flight. She's been especially ineffective. Let's put it like that, right. I met her actually once. I thought she was very charming to me, and I was expecting more. She's obviously a bright woman. She's just been incredibly ineffective for him. Her pole numbers are just as bad as his, so the paraly I.

Think she's been ineffective because of to go back to the fact her race and her gender.

Think she's been ineffective because of to go back to the fact her race and her gender.

I think that allow allows her to say and.

I think that allow allows her to say and.

Do things that other vps probably couldn't or even somebody like Joe couldn't.

Do things that other vps probably couldn't or even somebody like Joe couldn't.

But she's choosing that.

But she's choosing that.

I agree, and I don't think she's done nearly enough for your community. By the way, I mean, a lot of promise came in with Karmala Harris. Where's the delivery? I don't see it, So I don't think she's been effective at all. The interesting thing about Gavin Newsom, if he was to become the nominee, it solves the problem of how do you fire Karmala Harris if you're a Democrat leader. Because they both come from California, she wouldn't be allowed to be his VP anyway as a rule apparently in the Constitution about that or the election rules. So automatically you solve two problems at once. You get rid of this decaying old guy as your nominee with a guy half his age and twice the energy. And you also don't have to have Karma as VP anymore, and he doesn't have to be seen to be firing it. So it's an interesting little twist on that.

I agree, and I don't think she's done nearly enough for your community. By the way, I mean, a lot of promise came in with Karmala Harris. Where's the delivery? I don't see it, So I don't think she's been effective at all. The interesting thing about Gavin Newsom, if he was to become the nominee, it solves the problem of how do you fire Karmala Harris if you're a Democrat leader. Because they both come from California, she wouldn't be allowed to be his VP anyway as a rule apparently in the Constitution about that or the election rules. So automatically you solve two problems at once. You get rid of this decaying old guy as your nominee with a guy half his age and twice the energy. And you also don't have to have Karma as VP anymore, and he doesn't have to be seen to be firing it. So it's an interesting little twist on that.

What puts you so much into American politics?

What puts you so much into American politics?

Right?

Right?

Because I love it.

Because I love it.

I don't think it's anything like America.

I don't think it's anything like America.

I don't think like what like what what made you want to jump into American politics and to learn American politic because it's a it's a lot of bullshit too.

I don't think like what like what what made you want to jump into American politics and to learn American politic because it's a it's a lot of bullshit too.

When I came to see and then I came in sort of that in January twenty eleven, and of course we had the election in twenty twelve, and I just was covering this night after night to night. You got to understand the difference in the American process and ours in Britain. The election in Britain, the general election is lasts about six weeks. That's it. Prime Minister calls an election and within six weeks it's all over. But here it basically starts the moment on's ended, and then it really starts at the start of election year for eleven or ten months. I find the whole process a apart from anything else. You really get to understand what these candidates are about. There's no escape. In Britain, you could actually become a leader of a country. Like Britain, without the public really knowing that much about you because there's not enough time to scrutinize them properly. Plus the American media, when it really gets together and goes after people, is it a for mid scrutinizing beast. So I love I love America. It's for me. It's been absolutely the land of opportunity. I've had an amazing successes here and a few lows. And I love the fact that Americans, whether you're you know, I've been all around America doing America's got talent. You went to almost every major city quite regularly, and I just love the difference between the states the cities. But I love the concerted view that America is still the place if you want to come and be someone. America is still the number one place to make a success of herself. You know, when I was doing one on TV here, I was very conscious. So few British people have done that, really, just a handful To hold down a nightly talk show like Larry King's old job on CNN for nearly four years, it was pretty much unprecedented. So I love it, don't David Frost back in the seventies, you'd have to go back to. So I love I love everything about America and the can do mentality and the competition that you had because you got three hundred and thirty forty million people competing for you know, these prize jobs, and the work ethic. You know, you have like three weeks vacation a year maximum. In most European countries it's at least double that, right, So you have less vacation time, you work harder, you're more competitive, You're more successful as a nation than anyone in history. I love all that that plays to all my I'd like to think of a strong work ethic, very competitive. I like to win in the biggest possible marketplace. That's America. And I love my own country too, of course, but I love that about America, and you lose that at your peril, you know. And it's this whole issue about democracy in America. Incredibly important to preserve the safeguards of your democratic process. When I watched that, generally.

When I came to see and then I came in sort of that in January twenty eleven, and of course we had the election in twenty twelve, and I just was covering this night after night to night. You got to understand the difference in the American process and ours in Britain. The election in Britain, the general election is lasts about six weeks. That's it. Prime Minister calls an election and within six weeks it's all over. But here it basically starts the moment on's ended, and then it really starts at the start of election year for eleven or ten months. I find the whole process a apart from anything else. You really get to understand what these candidates are about. There's no escape. In Britain, you could actually become a leader of a country. Like Britain, without the public really knowing that much about you because there's not enough time to scrutinize them properly. Plus the American media, when it really gets together and goes after people, is it a for mid scrutinizing beast. So I love I love America. It's for me. It's been absolutely the land of opportunity. I've had an amazing successes here and a few lows. And I love the fact that Americans, whether you're you know, I've been all around America doing America's got talent. You went to almost every major city quite regularly, and I just love the difference between the states the cities. But I love the concerted view that America is still the place if you want to come and be someone. America is still the number one place to make a success of herself. You know, when I was doing one on TV here, I was very conscious. So few British people have done that, really, just a handful To hold down a nightly talk show like Larry King's old job on CNN for nearly four years, it was pretty much unprecedented. So I love it, don't David Frost back in the seventies, you'd have to go back to. So I love I love everything about America and the can do mentality and the competition that you had because you got three hundred and thirty forty million people competing for you know, these prize jobs, and the work ethic. You know, you have like three weeks vacation a year maximum. In most European countries it's at least double that, right, So you have less vacation time, you work harder, you're more competitive, You're more successful as a nation than anyone in history. I love all that that plays to all my I'd like to think of a strong work ethic, very competitive. I like to win in the biggest possible marketplace. That's America. And I love my own country too, of course, but I love that about America, and you lose that at your peril, you know. And it's this whole issue about democracy in America. Incredibly important to preserve the safeguards of your democratic process. When I watched that, generally.

Well Trump back in well, it's interesting.

Well Trump back in well, it's interesting.

Interesting. The one thing I thought was interesting was at the end of his acceptance speech at Iowa, he suddenly sounded very conciliatory and inclusive for the first time, and I go back to the guy I saw across the boardroom on The Apprentice. It may sound trite to do that, but you remember, for most nights, for three hours, I watched this guy interacting with people. He was a very different person, very different, much more charming, much more towards them female contestants, towards people who'd had a hard time, much more empathetic. We didn't get this brash, often quite boorish guy that you see a lot of when he was president. I think if you want to understand why Trump became like that when he became president, go and read his book The Art of the Deal, which I read several times before competing in his shirt. It's probably why I won it because I used to talk to him like it was him. But you know he's he says in there, somebody punches, you punched them ten times back. That's his natural default thing. He has the thinnest skin of anyone in the world, but he has the thickest too, so he reacts to everything, but he can soak up pressure that would destroy any other politicians. The fascinating double skin quality he has. But his natural thing is to be a New York real estate magnate, pugilist right, and if you take him on, as everybody did immediately and tried to kill him off, he will fight back with everything he's got. That's just.

Interesting. The one thing I thought was interesting was at the end of his acceptance speech at Iowa, he suddenly sounded very conciliatory and inclusive for the first time, and I go back to the guy I saw across the boardroom on The Apprentice. It may sound trite to do that, but you remember, for most nights, for three hours, I watched this guy interacting with people. He was a very different person, very different, much more charming, much more towards them female contestants, towards people who'd had a hard time, much more empathetic. We didn't get this brash, often quite boorish guy that you see a lot of when he was president. I think if you want to understand why Trump became like that when he became president, go and read his book The Art of the Deal, which I read several times before competing in his shirt. It's probably why I won it because I used to talk to him like it was him. But you know he's he says in there, somebody punches, you punched them ten times back. That's his natural default thing. He has the thinnest skin of anyone in the world, but he has the thickest too, so he reacts to everything, but he can soak up pressure that would destroy any other politicians. The fascinating double skin quality he has. But his natural thing is to be a New York real estate magnate, pugilist right, and if you take him on, as everybody did immediately and tried to kill him off, he will fight back with everything he's got. That's just.

I agree with you when you say the Democrats need to move away from Joe Biden. But I also feel like Republicans are doing themselves a disservice by not moving away from Trump, because it's hard to say you're not the party of white supremacy when you're supporting a guy who you know didn't attempt to cool his country, a guy who says he wants to be a dictator for a day, a guy who's talking about, you know, killing his political right. More importantly, a guy who said you should eliminate the Constitution in order to overturn the results of an election. I don't care if you're a Democrat Republican. You can't have somebody, you know, a leader of the free world who doesn't believe in the Constitution.

I agree with you when you say the Democrats need to move away from Joe Biden. But I also feel like Republicans are doing themselves a disservice by not moving away from Trump, because it's hard to say you're not the party of white supremacy when you're supporting a guy who you know didn't attempt to cool his country, a guy who says he wants to be a dictator for a day, a guy who's talking about, you know, killing his political right. More importantly, a guy who said you should eliminate the Constitution in order to overturn the results of an election. I don't care if you're a Democrat Republican. You can't have somebody, you know, a leader of the free world who doesn't believe in the Constitution.

I agree, and I think the other thing you've always got to be mindful about with Trump is not to take everything he says to you. Now you have to are you done? Have to give you a present you shouldn't.

I agree, and I think the other thing you've always got to be mindful about with Trump is not to take everything he says to you. Now you have to are you done? Have to give you a present you shouldn't.

Take us too, literally, because we're does media presonality.

Take us too, literally, because we're does media presonality.

Definitely take us No, I think if you look at look at for example, the other day in Iowa. Right, he comes out with his crack on the either of the vote, and he said, look, I don't care if you're sick at home, just tell your wife, darling, I've got to go and vote. And he said, and if it does, if you end up passing away, at least your vote wasn't wasted. Right. And why I watch people on CNN, my employers trying to be po faced about it. Right, he's basically risking the lives of people in Iowa. No, he wasn't. He was cracking a Trump gag, right. And one of his Trump cards literally is humor. Right. People in Middle America find him mailarious. Right. People in New York pretend not to but probably laugh quietly. A lot of the stuff, A lot of the other characters candidate seem very double by confimence A.

Definitely take us No, I think if you look at look at for example, the other day in Iowa. Right, he comes out with his crack on the either of the vote, and he said, look, I don't care if you're sick at home, just tell your wife, darling, I've got to go and vote. And he said, and if it does, if you end up passing away, at least your vote wasn't wasted. Right. And why I watch people on CNN, my employers trying to be po faced about it. Right, he's basically risking the lives of people in Iowa. No, he wasn't. He was cracking a Trump gag, right. And one of his Trump cards literally is humor. Right. People in Middle America find him mailarious. Right. People in New York pretend not to but probably laugh quietly. A lot of the stuff, A lot of the other characters candidate seem very double by confimence A.

Free world, tap three funny if people on.

Free world, tap three funny if people on.

The plane, yes, I agree, so so, but also you know you're gonna remember becomes from a business real estate in New York, where bullshitting is an artful right. That's what they do, right, They just try pers way people something's worth well, it's not. So. His entire life has been spent exaggerating, going over the top, all that kind of stuff. And I always say, if you actually an interesting question for you guys, if you took away all Trump's rhetoric, which you can't do, but his rhetoric and his tweeting when he's present, take all that away, right, so you never actually hear him speak. You just judge him on what he did. What did he actually do that was so outrageous?

The plane, yes, I agree, so so, but also you know you're gonna remember becomes from a business real estate in New York, where bullshitting is an artful right. That's what they do, right, They just try pers way people something's worth well, it's not. So. His entire life has been spent exaggerating, going over the top, all that kind of stuff. And I always say, if you actually an interesting question for you guys, if you took away all Trump's rhetoric, which you can't do, but his rhetoric and his tweeting when he's present, take all that away, right, so you never actually hear him speak. You just judge him on what he did. What did he actually do that was so outrageous?

He implemented, uh, put three conservative judges on the Supreme Court perfectly?

He implemented, uh, put three conservative judges on the Supreme Court perfectly?

He is right?

He is right?

Yes, sure, but they look how.

Yes, sure, but they look how.

Conservatives would say that's an amazing success.

Conservatives would say that's an amazing success.

You will look how far right they are.

You will look how far right they are.

They got rid of real vieweight right, they got rid of affirmative action in colleges. They're getting the Vaughton rates that want to get rid of the Alton Rasack altogether.

They got rid of real vieweight right, they got rid of affirmative action in colleges. They're getting the Vaughton rates that want to get rid of the Alton Rasack altogether.

Hang On, I would say, and I'm not a conservative by definition, I would say that they pursued a conservative agenda. I think secretive about that. They did what conservatives would want conservative appointed, Republican appointed judges on the Supreme Court to do. Trump just got lucky that he was able to do it three times in one tenure. You just got lucky. Right. You could argue with the tactics of the Democrats allowing some of those Democrat appointed judges to go on too long. Yeah, but they're allowing them to die on his watch.

Hang On, I would say, and I'm not a conservative by definition, I would say that they pursued a conservative agenda. I think secretive about that. They did what conservatives would want conservative appointed, Republican appointed judges on the Supreme Court to do. Trump just got lucky that he was able to do it three times in one tenure. You just got lucky. Right. You could argue with the tactics of the Democrats allowing some of those Democrat appointed judges to go on too long. Yeah, but they're allowing them to die on his watch.

But the thing that they got rid of directly impact you know, people directly impact people that look like me and you know, people that I love.

But the thing that they got rid of directly impact you know, people directly impact people that look like me and you know, people that I love.

I got four daughters. You know. Rov Wade is a big deal.