Wake that ass up in the morning.

Wake that ass up in the morning.

Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody is the j Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, the Gud We are the Breakfast Club Laurna Rosa filling in for Jess. And we got some special guests joining us today. Indeed, season two of their podcasts on the Black Effect, Good Mom, Bad Choices Podcast we have Erica Dickerson and Jamila Matp.

Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody is the j Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, the Gud We are the Breakfast Club Laurna Rosa filling in for Jess. And we got some special guests joining us today. Indeed, season two of their podcasts on the Black Effect, Good Mom, Bad Choices Podcast we have Erica Dickerson and Jamila Matp.

Welcome, ladies, Thank you.

Welcome, ladies, Thank you.

How y'all feeling great but feeling really good? Yeah?

How y'all feeling great but feeling really good? Yeah?

I love the name of y'all podcasts, Good Mom's Bad Choices.

I love the name of y'all podcasts, Good Mom's Bad Choices.

What does that mean? Uh?

What does that mean? Uh?

You know, I think society has deemed women and moms in a certain light, and historically we're not really allowed to make bad choices. But really bad choices are relative, you know, like smoking a blund is a good choice for me, but for other people that.

You know, I think society has deemed women and moms in a certain light, and historically we're not really allowed to make bad choices. But really bad choices are relative, you know, like smoking a blund is a good choice for me, but for other people that.

Might be a bad choice, you know.

Might be a bad choice, you know.

So I think it really kind of just flips the narrative around what bad choices actually are and allows moms in particular to give themselves grace and prioritize whatever the fuck it is that they want to. Probably it's funny though, because a lot of people really hated that name.

So I think it really kind of just flips the narrative around what bad choices actually are and allows moms in particular to give themselves grace and prioritize whatever the fuck it is that they want to. Probably it's funny though, because a lot of people really hated that name.

All of our friends told us that was a bad idea. That was a bad idea.

All of our friends told us that was a bad idea. That was a bad idea.

I don't know, because I think bad choices and good moms don't go together, and you assume that that means something terrible. But I mean, I'm sure we've all made some choices that some other person told you were bad, but they were actually fun or good or exciting. And sometimes you got to make your own choice. And I think, you know, people put moms in a box. You can only behave a certain way, you can only dress a certain ways, like you give birth and suddenly you're fucking Martha Stewart or something.

I don't know, because I think bad choices and good moms don't go together, and you assume that that means something terrible. But I mean, I'm sure we've all made some choices that some other person told you were bad, but they were actually fun or good or exciting. And sometimes you got to make your own choice. And I think, you know, people put moms in a box. You can only behave a certain way, you can only dress a certain ways, like you give birth and suddenly you're fucking Martha Stewart or something.

But the truth is.

But the truth is.

Is you had a baby because you had sex, So you know, there's just like the humanness of it.

Is you had a baby because you had sex, So you know, there's just like the humanness of it.

That's what I thought it was. I thought you saying the bad choice is the baby daddy.

That's what I thought it was. I thought you saying the bad choice is the baby daddy.

No, okay, that's relative. That wasn't why we made the name. But did we make some choices that could have been better? Yes, But you learn from those choices and then you find a second baby daddy that.

No, okay, that's relative. That wasn't why we made the name. But did we make some choices that could have been better? Yes, But you learn from those choices and then you find a second baby daddy that.

I'm still looking for a baby daddy.

I'm still looking for a baby daddy.

First of all, husband is true? Start there? Yeah, well man, wait, you don't know.

First of all, husband is true? Start there? Yeah, well man, wait, you don't know.

Start somewhere, you find a man, you don't know what she wants, right, No, I don't.

Start somewhere, you find a man, you don't know what she wants, right, No, I don't.

Know how to keep him exactly. I don't mind him. What was that going?

Know how to keep him exactly. I don't mind him. What was that going?

You may even, oh you said second baby. Sometimes people find a second baby daddy. I don't know you guys personally, and I'm new to watching and listening to your podcast, So forgive me, or are you guys on the journey of finding the second baby daddy?

You may even, oh you said second baby. Sometimes people find a second baby daddy. I don't know you guys personally, and I'm new to watching and listening to your podcast, So forgive me, or are you guys on the journey of finding the second baby daddy?

Are you still with the first baby daddy? Like we're y'all ing on jury? One is engaged? Okay, I just got engaged last week. Okay, so I.

Are you still with the first baby daddy? Like we're y'all ing on jury? One is engaged? Okay, I just got engaged last week. Okay, so I.

Have found my second babe, my husband.

Have found my second babe, my husband.

Yeah, thank you, Jeff. And I think that's another thing.

Yeah, thank you, Jeff. And I think that's another thing.

It's like women, there's like the stigma that you have to say with your baby daddy or you're you're deemed unworthy or unmarriable after your single mom, and it's just not true.

It's like women, there's like the stigma that you have to say with your baby daddy or you're you're deemed unworthy or unmarriable after your single mom, and it's just not true.

It's not real.

It's not real.

And like sometimes you gotta you gotta do better the second time, and sometimes you gotta leave the first one for your happiness and for your peace.

And like sometimes you gotta you gotta do better the second time, and sometimes you gotta leave the first one for your happiness and for your peace.

And that's okay.

And that's okay.

Can you walk us through the end aagement? How long?

Can you walk us through the end aagement? How long?

How long were you dating the guy and all of that type of stuff. I want to make Laura feel bad about not having a little bit Jesus made me feel.

How long were you dating the guy and all of that type of stuff. I want to make Laura feel bad about not having a little bit Jesus made me feel.

Let me tell you something, this is a hopeful story. Get back on you. Let's focus on you.

Let me tell you something, this is a hopeful story. Get back on you. Let's focus on you.

So tell us about the engagement and how it happened. Because I saw that trending last week on I think it was Twitter. There was a girl that was like, and for all the guys that keep saying, just because you have a kid, nobody's gonna want you my stepdaddy DMS is lined up.

So tell us about the engagement and how it happened. Because I saw that trending last week on I think it was Twitter. There was a girl that was like, and for all the guys that keep saying, just because you have a kid, nobody's gonna want you my stepdaddy DMS is lined up.

Maybe And you know that was a big fear of ours. I think that was how we like kind of formed our podcast too. It's like, as black women, it's so like the stereotype of being a single black mom is it's crazy, you know, like and nobody, no woman wants that, to be a single mom, but particularly for black women, there's this heavy burden of like, oh my god.

Maybe And you know that was a big fear of ours. I think that was how we like kind of formed our podcast too. It's like, as black women, it's so like the stereotype of being a single black mom is it's crazy, you know, like and nobody, no woman wants that, to be a single mom, but particularly for black women, there's this heavy burden of like, oh my god.

And the truth is is like you learn, you get better when you're a mother, You take you get dating gets taken more. Seriously.

And the truth is is like you learn, you get better when you're a mother, You take you get dating gets taken more. Seriously.

I don't have time to play, I don't have time for bs. You know, I know what I need and what I want. So yeah, I met my man four years ago. We dated for three years. He's from New York. I imported him to La because La men are not so great.

I don't have time to play, I don't have time for bs. You know, I know what I need and what I want. So yeah, I met my man four years ago. We dated for three years. He's from New York. I imported him to La because La men are not so great.

But yeah, we did.

But yeah, we did.

We dated for three years, we lived together for two and you know we've been engaged two weeks, so you know, we did a little.

We dated for three years, we lived together for two and you know we've been engaged two weeks, so you know, we did a little.

I did the adult thing.

I did the adult thing.

Congratulations, man, congratulation.

Congratulations, man, congratulation.

Just hope, lady, you keep looking at me because you're in mat what everybody I contactould nba me? What about you?

Just hope, lady, you keep looking at me because you're in mat what everybody I contactould nba me? What about you?

I have a partner, and so you know, we're still we're not anywhere near where she's at. But it's been a journey, you know, as a single mom. I think that, like you said, there's a lot of shame. I remember when I first when I when I me and my child's father broke up. I remember I joined Tender and I always tell our listeners like new moms that are trying to get out there, I'm like, dating apps is the ship when you first like become single.

I have a partner, and so you know, we're still we're not anywhere near where she's at. But it's been a journey, you know, as a single mom. I think that, like you said, there's a lot of shame. I remember when I first when I when I me and my child's father broke up. I remember I joined Tender and I always tell our listeners like new moms that are trying to get out there, I'm like, dating apps is the ship when you first like become single.

Like for me, I really needed the.

Like for me, I really needed the.

Confidence boost because I felt so disconnected from my sexuality. I felt so disconnected from just my value in so many ways, and unfortunately, not fortunate, unfortunately, unfortunately I really did.

Confidence boost because I felt so disconnected from my sexuality. I felt so disconnected from just my value in so many ways, and unfortunately, not fortunate, unfortunately, unfortunately I really did.

I needed that confidence, but it was to be like, oh that's wipe right, Okay, Okay.

I needed that confidence, but it was to be like, oh that's wipe right, Okay, Okay.

But I think that for me in this in this period, in this time, and in my journey of being a single mom, I've learned through the people that I've dated, which you know, things haven't worked out, but I've evolved so much and been able to I think manifest this person that I'm with now who accepts me holistically. Because one thing that we were told and we've been told a lot because of our show and the content of our show, we talk about sex very candidly. We talk about our dating experience is very candidly. We talk about our bad choices very candidly. And you're not going to find a man like that. No man's going to marry that you were You like your titties.

But I think that for me in this in this period, in this time, and in my journey of being a single mom, I've learned through the people that I've dated, which you know, things haven't worked out, but I've evolved so much and been able to I think manifest this person that I'm with now who accepts me holistically. Because one thing that we were told and we've been told a lot because of our show and the content of our show, we talk about sex very candidly. We talk about our dating experience is very candidly. We talk about our bad choices very candidly. And you're not going to find a man like that. No man's going to marry that you were You like your titties.

Out like you weren't.

Out like you weren't.

You don't like shirts like we literally, you don't like shirts. She doesn't like shirts, you know, and her titty makes an appearance. I was like, you can't make an appearance today. Okay, the right to be likes to make an appearance. And but there's a lot of there's a lot of narrative around just being too confident in your body and to you, yeah, being to you, you have to compartmentalize yourself to be a wife, to be a high valued woman, which is a conversation that I feel like it's always been part and it's been on the internet for a long time, But now women are pushing this narrative of being high valued women, and I feel like that's very dangerous and very violent against women, specifically when it's pushed by women, and so.

You don't like shirts like we literally, you don't like shirts. She doesn't like shirts, you know, and her titty makes an appearance. I was like, you can't make an appearance today. Okay, the right to be likes to make an appearance. And but there's a lot of there's a lot of narrative around just being too confident in your body and to you, yeah, being to you, you have to compartmentalize yourself to be a wife, to be a high valued woman, which is a conversation that I feel like it's always been part and it's been on the internet for a long time, But now women are pushing this narrative of being high valued women, and I feel like that's very dangerous and very violent against women, specifically when it's pushed by women, and so.

The goddess is to their job.

The goddess is to their job.

So I just feel like we're in a time now where women are realizing that their value is not linked necessarily to how they dress. Their value isn't linked to how they talk. It's linked to how deeply they've met themselves. And you know, through this process, I've been able to meet myself. And I mean we always talk about this. We're continuously in works of progress, like I ain't healed, Like I'm very vocal about like where I'm at, and even with the women that we work with at our retreats, because we now we know we do international retreats with women. We've brought hundreds of women of the country to do the work that we do, and it's really about that is meeting yourself, empowering yourself, finding your tribe. Me and Mila, we weren't friends when we started our podcast, Like I saw her on the internet. I judged her because her titties were out and we were both pregnant at the same time, and I had subscribed to this narrative of what motherhood was supposed to be, like like I couldn't smoke weed anymore, even though like my baby daddy was a rapper, Like I was going to be put together and I wasn't gonna those parts of myself had to die. And I saw her and she triggered the fuck out of me. I was like, Wow, she can show up as herself just as she is. Thankfully my hating didn't deter.

So I just feel like we're in a time now where women are realizing that their value is not linked necessarily to how they dress. Their value isn't linked to how they talk. It's linked to how deeply they've met themselves. And you know, through this process, I've been able to meet myself. And I mean we always talk about this. We're continuously in works of progress, like I ain't healed, Like I'm very vocal about like where I'm at, and even with the women that we work with at our retreats, because we now we know we do international retreats with women. We've brought hundreds of women of the country to do the work that we do, and it's really about that is meeting yourself, empowering yourself, finding your tribe. Me and Mila, we weren't friends when we started our podcast, Like I saw her on the internet. I judged her because her titties were out and we were both pregnant at the same time, and I had subscribed to this narrative of what motherhood was supposed to be, like like I couldn't smoke weed anymore, even though like my baby daddy was a rapper, Like I was going to be put together and I wasn't gonna those parts of myself had to die. And I saw her and she triggered the fuck out of me. I was like, Wow, she can show up as herself just as she is. Thankfully my hating didn't deter.

Me from I'm going to say, what was the first interaction. No, Well, my friend kept posting her and I was like, who is this girl? You keep posting?

Me from I'm going to say, what was the first interaction. No, Well, my friend kept posting her and I was like, who is this girl? You keep posting?

Like none of my friends had kids, and so I was desperate. I was like, you know what, I need to meet her. She seems like she's cool, and so, you know, my friend was like, we're going to a bar tonight. You want to come and meet her, and which is like so out of I would never just go and try to Like now I would, but at that time I would never go out of my way to go meet a stranger friend at a bar.

Like none of my friends had kids, and so I was desperate. I was like, you know what, I need to meet her. She seems like she's cool, and so, you know, my friend was like, we're going to a bar tonight. You want to come and meet her, and which is like so out of I would never just go and try to Like now I would, but at that time I would never go out of my way to go meet a stranger friend at a bar.

But I was desperate.

But I was desperate.

I literally pumped in the car because I was my daughter was three months old, and went in to find Jamila because I knew only had like ninety minutes before my mama started calling me and judging me for being out too early after giving birth, and cornered her and.

I literally pumped in the car because I was my daughter was three months old, and went in to find Jamila because I knew only had like ninety minutes before my mama started calling me and judging me for being out too early after giving birth, and cornered her and.

Was like, hey, I heard that you have a kid.

Was like, hey, I heard that you have a kid.

My friend posted you on the internet and she was like yeah, and she had also saw me on the internet, made preconceived notions about me, my lifestyle and what I do. And thankfully we pushed past that. We push past the judgment, which I think a lot of times women we have a hard time doing that. We judge each other so much and we hold each other back. And so the work that we do on the podcast, at the retreats in our book is really about bringing women together and understanding that we are so much stronger together.

My friend posted you on the internet and she was like yeah, and she had also saw me on the internet, made preconceived notions about me, my lifestyle and what I do. And thankfully we pushed past that. We push past the judgment, which I think a lot of times women we have a hard time doing that. We judge each other so much and we hold each other back. And so the work that we do on the podcast, at the retreats in our book is really about bringing women together and understanding that we are so much stronger together.

And yeah, you said a lot of shit, just not edited. I want to talk about that.

And yeah, you said a lot of shit, just not edited. I want to talk about that.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

I never heard somebody refer to dating apps and said that it gave them confidence.

I never heard somebody refer to dating apps and said that it gave them confidence.

Could he found on that a little bit?

Could he found on that a little bit?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I mean I was, I felt so unattractive in my relationship. I felt so undesirable in my relationship. I was I was desperate for validation, and my partner was like, that's not my job.

I mean I was, I felt so unattractive in my relationship. I felt so undesirable in my relationship. I was I was desperate for validation, and my partner was like, that's not my job.

And granted, maybe that's not his job.

And granted, maybe that's not his job.

Holistic, but I felt like, Nick, I just pushed out your baby, I'm feeling I need some help here. And so when we broke up, I was really nervous to get on a dating app a because like I was like, oh my god, what if someone sees me on there?

Holistic, but I felt like, Nick, I just pushed out your baby, I'm feeling I need some help here. And so when we broke up, I was really nervous to get on a dating app a because like I was like, oh my god, what if someone sees me on there?

What if he sees me on there?

What if he sees me on there?

But then it became kind of you know, dating app is kind of like they'd gamified it, so you know, you're swiping and like people are like wanting to match with you. So I'm like, it's giving you confidence. Whether it's a false sense of confidence, it's the beginning, it's the path towards really believing it. And so for me, dating apps really led me into really feeling like, Okay, I am desirable. Oh I do deserve pleasure. Oh I do deserve to be taken out. And so I think a lot of women they don't know where to start. And I'm not necessarily saying that's for everyone's path to start, but for me. That was really healing for me, and in the path of this dating app is really I think we always say like two moms walked in a bar and met each other, but really the story began when I went on this dating app and I ended up swiping on what I thought was a woman because I was going both ways, and then I swiped and it was she was pictured with her husband, and I was like, why is this man in this picture? And I kept swiping it was like and then I read and was like, We're a couple looking to spoil someone special, and I was like, huh, okay, well, this is something I always kind of wanted to explore with my cheating baby daddy but couldn't trust him, so maybe now is the time, And so I did. And even in that exploration with this couple, I felt excitement, but I also felt shame because I'm a mom. So I was like going and having threesomes with this married couple and then going home and tucking my daughter into bed and being like, what life am I living?

But then it became kind of you know, dating app is kind of like they'd gamified it, so you know, you're swiping and like people are like wanting to match with you. So I'm like, it's giving you confidence. Whether it's a false sense of confidence, it's the beginning, it's the path towards really believing it. And so for me, dating apps really led me into really feeling like, Okay, I am desirable. Oh I do deserve pleasure. Oh I do deserve to be taken out. And so I think a lot of women they don't know where to start. And I'm not necessarily saying that's for everyone's path to start, but for me. That was really healing for me, and in the path of this dating app is really I think we always say like two moms walked in a bar and met each other, but really the story began when I went on this dating app and I ended up swiping on what I thought was a woman because I was going both ways, and then I swiped and it was she was pictured with her husband, and I was like, why is this man in this picture? And I kept swiping it was like and then I read and was like, We're a couple looking to spoil someone special, and I was like, huh, okay, well, this is something I always kind of wanted to explore with my cheating baby daddy but couldn't trust him, so maybe now is the time, And so I did. And even in that exploration with this couple, I felt excitement, but I also felt shame because I'm a mom. So I was like going and having threesomes with this married couple and then going home and tucking my daughter into bed and being like, what life am I living?

Is this? Okay?

Is this? Okay?

Like I feel really good, I feel like like I feel confident, I feel excited about what's happening, But am I a good mom because of this. And so when I shared this story with Jamila and this was like maybe our second interaction, it really opened up the door for her to feel comfortable sharing with me. And I know it sounds silly like a three Soome brought you together, but yeah, actually.

Like I feel really good, I feel like like I feel confident, I feel excited about what's happening, But am I a good mom because of this. And so when I shared this story with Jamila and this was like maybe our second interaction, it really opened up the door for her to feel comfortable sharing with me. And I know it sounds silly like a three Soome brought you together, but yeah, actually.

In conversation or no, no, no, no, no, I.

In conversation or no, no, no, no, no, I.

Was just when she said, I'm like, whoa hold on? Where do we just go back?

Was just when she said, I'm like, whoa hold on? Where do we just go back?

The dating ap thing?

The dating ap thing?

That's it seems like it's the new school way of like putting on a nice dress, getting your head done and going out to the club back and when your man pissing you off, you go out to the club just to get But.

That's it seems like it's the new school way of like putting on a nice dress, getting your head done and going out to the club back and when your man pissing you off, you go out to the club just to get But.

You said your man didn't give you something to the dating app. So you all was still together.

You said your man didn't give you something to the dating app. So you all was still together.

You weren't together, We weren't together. Oh, but you still wanted him to give you that because you had just had his baby.

You weren't together, We weren't together. Oh, but you still wanted him to give you that because you had just had his baby.

Yeah, I mean I had gained a lot of weight and pregnancy, and so I just didn't recognize myself.

Yeah, I mean I had gained a lot of weight and pregnancy, and so I just didn't recognize myself.

I really needed my partner to empower me in the end of the relationship before it ended. And yeah, no, no, I wasn't on dating apps a while I was with him. Now, Clary, I.

I really needed my partner to empower me in the end of the relationship before it ended. And yeah, no, no, I wasn't on dating apps a while I was with him. Now, Clary, I.

Always want to you know when you have situations like that, and I'm sure you talk about it on the podcast, right, but when your child gets to like fifteen sixteen and they start clicking, is that a conversation you have beforehand?

Always want to you know when you have situations like that, and I'm sure you talk about it on the podcast, right, but when your child gets to like fifteen sixteen and they start clicking, is that a conversation you have beforehand?

He'd like, I'm go'na let them find out on their own.

He'd like, I'm go'na let them find out on their own.

My dad, you need to warn your child.

My dad, you need to warn your child.

So in two thousand and let me tell in twenty twenty your mama had three.

So in two thousand and let me tell in twenty twenty your mama had three.

So I'm just letting you know in case you read about that twenty three, because you know.

So I'm just letting you know in case you read about that twenty three, because you know.

What this day and age, they'll pull it right up, like we know your mama, We know your mama did this eate like before where it was off on the internet, like I don't know, nothing going on with my mom and my grandmama, like you just don't know.

What this day and age, they'll pull it right up, like we know your mama, We know your mama did this eate like before where it was off on the internet, like I don't know, nothing going on with my mom and my grandmama, like you just don't know.

I think it's a decent age our kids will know.

I think it's a decent age our kids will know.

But I think that's been not that everybody. Are your kids need to know your whole sex catalog? However, I think it's detrimental, Like there is a there is a misconception that parents, fathers included, are these perfect superhero people, and to our kids, we are. But I think most importantly when our kids get of age and start exploring our catalog. First of all, I hope you have a lot of time, babe. There are three hundred episodes. But I want my daughter to remember, like, my mom is exactly who the fuck she says she is. There's no gray area. She knows my titties be out. She knows so I am. She loves me, she respects me because I'm a great mother to her. So what I do sexually as an adult is never gonna sway how she feels about me as an adult. I'm a parent. I am an adult, and I can indulge, and I'm that's my right. So my birthright, pleasure is my birthright, and it's medicine, and I don't like that is not a narrative that I intend on keeping, that we intend on keeping from our daughters. So I think like the transparency a is like has been medicine for us in our friendship and for community because other women are like, Damn, I needed to know other women are smoking a blunt and I'm not a terrible person. Oh, I needed to know other women are out here dating and I'm not a terrible person.

But I think that's been not that everybody. Are your kids need to know your whole sex catalog? However, I think it's detrimental, Like there is a there is a misconception that parents, fathers included, are these perfect superhero people, and to our kids, we are. But I think most importantly when our kids get of age and start exploring our catalog. First of all, I hope you have a lot of time, babe. There are three hundred episodes. But I want my daughter to remember, like, my mom is exactly who the fuck she says she is. There's no gray area. She knows my titties be out. She knows so I am. She loves me, she respects me because I'm a great mother to her. So what I do sexually as an adult is never gonna sway how she feels about me as an adult. I'm a parent. I am an adult, and I can indulge, and I'm that's my right. So my birthright, pleasure is my birthright, and it's medicine, and I don't like that is not a narrative that I intend on keeping, that we intend on keeping from our daughters. So I think like the transparency a is like has been medicine for us in our friendship and for community because other women are like, Damn, I needed to know other women are smoking a blunt and I'm not a terrible person. Oh, I needed to know other women are out here dating and I'm not a terrible person.

No, you deserve to live, and so do our kids.

No, you deserve to live, and so do our kids.

And I hope that we're setting that example and that our catalog is so much more than just you know, the fifty probably sex stories that are in there, but that there's a you know, there's a deep understanding of who we truly are.

And I hope that we're setting that example and that our catalog is so much more than just you know, the fifty probably sex stories that are in there, but that there's a you know, there's a deep understanding of who we truly are.

What is the titties out? Think y'all keep telling me, and I'm trying to make our contact. But she don't have her titties.

What is the titties out? Think y'all keep telling me, and I'm trying to make our contact. But she don't have her titties.

In today? They are in today? I what is it?

In today? They are in today? I what is it?

What does she mean, like you walking around shirtless or something?

What does she mean, like you walking around shirtless or something?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I do, like like in public?

I do, like like in public?

Yeah, I mean where I can.

Yeah, I mean where I can.

I'm like in my house, in her house if we're in and we're on vacation.

I'm like in my house, in her house if we're in and we're on vacation.

We travel a lot.

We travel a lot.

My family, my friends know my titties be out because it's usually house that I live in or I paid for her. My friends are my friends, and so I've created a community who are who are.

My family, my friends know my titties be out because it's usually house that I live in or I paid for her. My friends are my friends, and so I've created a community who are who are.

Okay with that?

Okay with that?

Because I'm comfortable in my skin and that's how I feel comfortable.

Because I'm comfortable in my skin and that's how I feel comfortable.

Do you have a traumatic experience with a shirt?

Do you have a traumatic experience with a shirt?

A turtleneck when I was in fourth grade really overcame my neck.

A turtleneck when I was in fourth grade really overcame my neck.

I want to go back to the to the bad choices. We were talking about the bad choices, right, so all the bad choices are parenting choices Are they men choices or all of.

I want to go back to the to the bad choices. We were talking about the bad choices, right, so all the bad choices are parenting choices Are they men choices or all of.

The above, right, Because I always say I have six kids.

The above, right, Because I always say I have six kids.

I always say the first two are like the guinea pigs, right, because you got to learn what to do what not to do, and then the next four you kind of get.

I always say the first two are like the guinea pigs, right, because you got to learn what to do what not to do, and then the next four you kind of get.

So what are the bad choices?

So what are the bad choices?

I mean, there's definitely some bad choices, And I think, like you said, the first two are guinea pigs, Like everything's trial and error and hopefully you learn.

I mean, there's definitely some bad choices, And I think, like you said, the first two are guinea pigs, Like everything's trial and error and hopefully you learn.

And I think that is the thing in bad tries. I mean, apparently you guys six of.

And I think that is the thing in bad tries. I mean, apparently you guys six of.

Them from zero to six, it got better.

Them from zero to six, it got better.

And that's the thing.

And that's the thing.

We're ever evolving and you know, and like you trip, you fall down, you get the fuck back up. That that is life and we don't talk about that enough. We only show the result. And like the bad choices sometimes are bad, actually really bad, and then you can, you know, re hopefully they lead to better choice realine, like, Okay, that was fucked up.

We're ever evolving and you know, and like you trip, you fall down, you get the fuck back up. That that is life and we don't talk about that enough. We only show the result. And like the bad choices sometimes are bad, actually really bad, and then you can, you know, re hopefully they lead to better choice realine, like, Okay, that was fucked up.

I did too much.

I did too much.

This way it's a constant sway of balance and that is how you get better by acknowledging what you've done and being able to have conversations and reflect upon it. But if you don't have friends that you could be honest with and be like, bitch, I had this three summe. I probably shouldn't have left last night. You know she can't be like girl, get it together because we're so afraid to be judged. But if you can say the thing, then you can you can be better from it.

This way it's a constant sway of balance and that is how you get better by acknowledging what you've done and being able to have conversations and reflect upon it. But if you don't have friends that you could be honest with and be like, bitch, I had this three summe. I probably shouldn't have left last night. You know she can't be like girl, get it together because we're so afraid to be judged. But if you can say the thing, then you can you can be better from it.

Erica question for you. I know, and only because you mentioned this earlier. I know what you're kid's dad. With Freddy, it's a little bit different for you too, because he's an artist, Like people know Freddy Gibbs. Right, How do you deal with the judgment because yours is like probably fifty times more because your relationship and everything that happened out of it was so public.

Erica question for you. I know, and only because you mentioned this earlier. I know what you're kid's dad. With Freddy, it's a little bit different for you too, because he's an artist, Like people know Freddy Gibbs. Right, How do you deal with the judgment because yours is like probably fifty times more because your relationship and everything that happened out of it was so public.

Like is that harder for you? Is it harder to talk about? Is it?

Like is that harder for you? Is it harder to talk about? Is it?

Like?

Like?

How does it?

How does it?

No, it's not hard for me to talk about. I mean early on in the show it was. I mean when we started the podcast, I was relatively like maybe five months out of our breakup.

No, it's not hard for me to talk about. I mean early on in the show it was. I mean when we started the podcast, I was relatively like maybe five months out of our breakup.

WHOA, you were mentally okay enough? Your breakup was pretty No, I was not okay, which is okay no, wait, so back it up then talk me through that. So you're five months out of you were engaged. You you are just welcome your baby. Then you find out there's another woman the other baby. Then you decide to go get on a public platform instead of podcast. What was your thinking around that? And like, mentally, outside of just talking to her, what else did you do to be able to get through that that's wrong?

WHOA, you were mentally okay enough? Your breakup was pretty No, I was not okay, which is okay no, wait, so back it up then talk me through that. So you're five months out of you were engaged. You you are just welcome your baby. Then you find out there's another woman the other baby. Then you decide to go get on a public platform instead of podcast. What was your thinking around that? And like, mentally, outside of just talking to her, what else did you do to be able to get through that that's wrong?

You know, I didn't have a lot of thought. Honestly, people ask us why we started the show. It was really I just needed someone to talk to, and I started listening to the podcasts, actually really murder Mystery podcasts, and then I started looking up podcasts and the you know, single mom podcasts, black podcasts. At the time, there were really none like this. The space has changed and evolved so much. But before that it was like white moms drinking wine, calling her kids' assholes, and like nerdy white guys like and murder Mystery shit, which is why I was there, And so you know, I felt like, Wow, this space is wide open. I wonder if, like my friend that I just met, because I didn't know Jamila really at all, would want to sit and like, let's just talk about being single moms. And then as we started talking and just being vulnerable, things just started pouring out.

You know, I didn't have a lot of thought. Honestly, people ask us why we started the show. It was really I just needed someone to talk to, and I started listening to the podcasts, actually really murder Mystery podcasts, and then I started looking up podcasts and the you know, single mom podcasts, black podcasts. At the time, there were really none like this. The space has changed and evolved so much. But before that it was like white moms drinking wine, calling her kids' assholes, and like nerdy white guys like and murder Mystery shit, which is why I was there, And so you know, I felt like, Wow, this space is wide open. I wonder if, like my friend that I just met, because I didn't know Jamila really at all, would want to sit and like, let's just talk about being single moms. And then as we started talking and just being vulnerable, things just started pouring out.

She told me the story, and I and yeah, oh about there.

She told me the story, and I and yeah, oh about there.

And I immediately was intrigued because I we had hung out, but it was very surface and I was like, oh, this bitch is kind of spicy.

And I immediately was intrigued because I we had hung out, but it was very surface and I was like, oh, this bitch is kind of spicy.

Okay, I kind of like her.

Okay, I kind of like her.

I was like, okay, I can kind of get with this, because at first it was very like, how are you liking motherhood?

I was like, okay, I can kind of get with this, because at first it was very like, how are you liking motherhood?

It's great? I love it, yeah, you know, and not being real.

It's great? I love it, yeah, you know, and not being real.

And when she said that, it immediately made me feel close to her, and I asked her at that moment, I said, okay, I did the podcast. I don't even know what the fuck that is, like a radio show. I was like, but are you going to tell the story about your couple? And because that's the only way I could do it on or off, I don't really have a great area.

And when she said that, it immediately made me feel close to her, and I asked her at that moment, I said, okay, I did the podcast. I don't even know what the fuck that is, like a radio show. I was like, but are you going to tell the story about your couple? And because that's the only way I could do it on or off, I don't really have a great area.

And she was like, okay, a couple of white couple, black and white, oh, black woman, black and white husband.

And she was like, okay, a couple of white couple, black and white, oh, black woman, black and white husband.

Oh doctor umwa would be. I was like, this white man got three queens.

Oh doctor umwa would be. I was like, this white man got three queens.

His wife is beautiful, yes, but like putting that into perspective for you, of that, I guess being like a liberating experience. And you start this podcast, you have this friend, now this homegirl who can support you in a different way because she was your first mom friend. You said, right, how did you guys talk through even you talking to your daughter eventually about like what you went through and your decision to put on a podcast.

His wife is beautiful, yes, but like putting that into perspective for you, of that, I guess being like a liberating experience. And you start this podcast, you have this friend, now this homegirl who can support you in a different way because she was your first mom friend. You said, right, how did you guys talk through even you talking to your daughter eventually about like what you went through and your decision to put on a podcast.

Well, to go back to your original question, I think that I didn't really give a fuck because he didn't really consider me at all. Right, So I didn't really have a lot of consideration for him.

Well, to go back to your original question, I think that I didn't really give a fuck because he didn't really consider me at all. Right, So I didn't really have a lot of consideration for him.

Although I did protect I did protect him a lot.

Although I did protect I did protect him a lot.

I didn't share so much until like maybe like a year in like because I wasn't it wasn't confirmed even for a while, even when I was recording the show, whether you know, this was his child or not. And you know, as I started to share more, I felt empowered because a lot of women were writing in and telling me me too.

I didn't share so much until like maybe like a year in like because I wasn't it wasn't confirmed even for a while, even when I was recording the show, whether you know, this was his child or not. And you know, as I started to share more, I felt empowered because a lot of women were writing in and telling me me too.

Yeah. And so when you have that support, you feel more brave, you know.

Yeah. And so when you have that support, you feel more brave, you know.

And I feel like that's why our show has been so successful, is because we've been really brave and sharing our testimony and sharing our truth, and with that becomes the community with that comes to support. And so I felt very supportive, and luckily we haven't. People always ask because like if you've gotten a lot of backlash, on your show, not really like, we have a very supportive community of men and women, and so, you know, obviously me and my child's father a relationship has evolved over the years.

And I feel like that's why our show has been so successful, is because we've been really brave and sharing our testimony and sharing our truth, and with that becomes the community with that comes to support. And so I felt very supportive, and luckily we haven't. People always ask because like if you've gotten a lot of backlash, on your show, not really like, we have a very supportive community of men and women, and so, you know, obviously me and my child's father a relationship has evolved over the years.

We're cool, we're coold parents, you know. But there was a lot of hurt.

We're cool, we're coold parents, you know. But there was a lot of hurt.

There was a lot of anger, there was a lot of confusion, and I really needed a place to heal. And honestly, behind the mic was healing. Sharing stories and talking is a major form of medicine. Yes, And even when I step away from the mic for too long, I kind of miss it. I'd be like, damn, I got some shit to say. Gotta get this off, you know, And so I'm sorry. What was the second question?

There was a lot of anger, there was a lot of confusion, and I really needed a place to heal. And honestly, behind the mic was healing. Sharing stories and talking is a major form of medicine. Yes, And even when I step away from the mic for too long, I kind of miss it. I'd be like, damn, I got some shit to say. Gotta get this off, you know, And so I'm sorry. What was the second question?

I think just having her as a support system.

I think just having her as a support system.

I don't have a kid, but I've been through the whole my person having a baby with another person, and I decided to stay after and it was really tough because you don't have people that really understand it. So you as a friend. My question was, what was that support system? Like just having another mom that'sa yo. I got to and we publicly doing this together, Like what was that?

I don't have a kid, but I've been through the whole my person having a baby with another person, and I decided to stay after and it was really tough because you don't have people that really understand it. So you as a friend. My question was, what was that support system? Like just having another mom that'sa yo. I got to and we publicly doing this together, Like what was that?

Like?

Like?

Yeah, I mean we were kind of in similar spaces. We met each other like I always say, like God just it was God's timing. We met each other at very crucial moments in our motherhood. She was just she had just broken up with her child's father. I had just broken up with mine, and it was like bitch, we outside. So like the first two three years of our show was really about like our just all the things, all the journeys, and like rediscovering ourselves as these new women, as these new as mothers, but mostly Erica Andrew Mila, like who are we outside of just that? And then how do we come back to motherhood and be able to nourish our children and be good moms? So I think just being honest, really saying the thing, and even in our friendship, like our friendship has gone through trials and tribulations as well, and we've been vocal about that on our podcast as well, and just saying the thing has been I think really important because specifically women were really quick to cut off women if they irritate us, or they say the wrong thing, or.

Yeah, I mean we were kind of in similar spaces. We met each other like I always say, like God just it was God's timing. We met each other at very crucial moments in our motherhood. She was just she had just broken up with her child's father. I had just broken up with mine, and it was like bitch, we outside. So like the first two three years of our show was really about like our just all the things, all the journeys, and like rediscovering ourselves as these new women, as these new as mothers, but mostly Erica Andrew Mila, like who are we outside of just that? And then how do we come back to motherhood and be able to nourish our children and be good moms? So I think just being honest, really saying the thing, and even in our friendship, like our friendship has gone through trials and tribulations as well, and we've been vocal about that on our podcast as well, and just saying the thing has been I think really important because specifically women were really quick to cut off women if they irritate us, or they say the wrong thing, or.

They're doing too much, you know, and.

They're doing too much, you know, and.

That's just not that's just this has been honestly like the best relationship I've had. It's also been one of the most challenging relationships I've had because we always talk about our our friendship as platonic. We're in a platonic marriage. Our our kids, you know, travel together, they go to camp together. We share bank accounts. Like I've made more money than with her than anyone in my entire life, you know, and.

That's just not that's just this has been honestly like the best relationship I've had. It's also been one of the most challenging relationships I've had because we always talk about our our friendship as platonic. We're in a platonic marriage. Our our kids, you know, travel together, they go to camp together. We share bank accounts. Like I've made more money than with her than anyone in my entire life, you know, and.

Their bank accounts is real.

Their bank accounts is real.

We're married, Yeah, I mean even in this still I know business business partners who do they have a business account, but like they keep Google.

We're married, Yeah, I mean even in this still I know business business partners who do they have a business account, but like they keep Google.

We have separate accounts, but most of our accounts be together. Yeah. We do a lot of things.

We have separate accounts, but most of our accounts be together. Yeah. We do a lot of things.

And I think we realized when we started to just be honest and tap into ourselves, we were the most successful we had ever been, Like all of the honest Yeah, all of our businesses.

And I think we realized when we started to just be honest and tap into ourselves, we were the most successful we had ever been, Like all of the honest Yeah, all of our businesses.

Have are all three of them are very successful.

Have are all three of them are very successful.

And I think a lot of that is a testimony to us being honest with one another and sharing. And and also I think when you start tapping into your pleasure and when I say pleasure, because I think pleasure also gets a bad rap. People always associate pleasure with sex. Yeah, but pleasure is a full spectrum of emotions. It's everything, it's grief, it's shame, it's love, it's it's all the things. There's a journey that you go on and there's a healing that happens that opens you up and expands you, and you become a better mom, you become a better business woman, you become a better wife, you become a better girlfriend. Like all these things start to unlock in yourself. And I think for us it became just like.

And I think a lot of that is a testimony to us being honest with one another and sharing. And and also I think when you start tapping into your pleasure and when I say pleasure, because I think pleasure also gets a bad rap. People always associate pleasure with sex. Yeah, but pleasure is a full spectrum of emotions. It's everything, it's grief, it's shame, it's love, it's it's all the things. There's a journey that you go on and there's a healing that happens that opens you up and expands you, and you become a better mom, you become a better business woman, you become a better wife, you become a better girlfriend. Like all these things start to unlock in yourself. And I think for us it became just like.

This ritual weekly doing that.

This ritual weekly doing that.

And so yeah, mean, Jamila is my best friend, she's my sister, she's my platonic wife, although I don't know if I'm supposed to give up that title now that you're going to be a real life never.

And so yeah, mean, Jamila is my best friend, she's my sister, she's my platonic wife, although I don't know if I'm supposed to give up that title now that you're going to be a real life never.

Very What is the sexilogist in tantric practitioner, Because that's what y'all are too, That's what y'all, that's what your retreats are.

Very What is the sexilogist in tantric practitioner, Because that's what y'all are too, That's what y'all, that's what your retreats are.

About, right, I mean somewhat Yeah, Tantra is about like starting the dialogue with your body, using pleasure as medicine. Like she said, I think a lot of times people think pleasure is just like sex. You're just solely in the bedroom, you lock the door, you turn the lights off, you don't talk about it. But there's pleasure in all things, right, Like you probably I saw you a little snuggy on this morning.

About, right, I mean somewhat Yeah, Tantra is about like starting the dialogue with your body, using pleasure as medicine. Like she said, I think a lot of times people think pleasure is just like sex. You're just solely in the bedroom, you lock the door, you turn the lights off, you don't talk about it. But there's pleasure in all things, right, Like you probably I saw you a little snuggy on this morning.

But you you know, like sometimes there's those things that just like lighting a candle, setting the vibe, eating a.

But you you know, like sometimes there's those things that just like lighting a candle, setting the vibe, eating a.

Good meal, and like I think sometimes we reserve those intimate pleasures for like you know, we just put everything in a box. And so it's just like it's a it's a practice of spiritual like technology that is like a practice of being in tune with your pleasure and not like removing not removing the divinity from intimacy and from sex, you know, because it's very it's given to us by God. And I think it's just about teaching and practicing other people to do that too.

Good meal, and like I think sometimes we reserve those intimate pleasures for like you know, we just put everything in a box. And so it's just like it's a it's a practice of spiritual like technology that is like a practice of being in tune with your pleasure and not like removing not removing the divinity from intimacy and from sex, you know, because it's very it's given to us by God. And I think it's just about teaching and practicing other people to do that too.

That's what that's the definition of tantru.

That's what that's the definition of tantru.

The definition of tantra is weaving sound and light.

The definition of tantra is weaving sound and light.

It's like how you play good We'll see that's going back to sex, say, like how you play a good playlist and like you set the move, but that's going.

It's like how you play good We'll see that's going back to sex, say, like how you play a good playlist and like you set the move, but that's going.

Back to well, it's like sound and light with form, right, So it's like it's it's literally like compounding all the all the things, all the things that bringing pleasure and weaving them together and understanding like the whole the totality of it. One thing is not just here. Sex and pleasure not just here. This is not just here. It's all in. It's all blurry, it's all watercolors.

Back to well, it's like sound and light with form, right, So it's like it's it's literally like compounding all the all the things, all the things that bringing pleasure and weaving them together and understanding like the whole the totality of it. One thing is not just here. Sex and pleasure not just here. This is not just here. It's all in. It's all blurry, it's all watercolors.

When you said that, I envisioned like a candle lid, Like you're smoking a blunt and the smoke is going, but then like some music might be playing, like all of that light like a.

When you said that, I envisioned like a candle lid, Like you're smoking a blunt and the smoke is going, but then like some music might be playing, like all of that light like a.

Far too yeah, like whenever it's gonna like interact with all your senses, your taste, your sound, like like you said to sound bath.

Far too yeah, like whenever it's gonna like interact with all your senses, your taste, your sound, like like you said to sound bath.

Yeah, and you know we're actually doing our first couple's retreat in June, which is.

Yeah, and you know we're actually doing our first couple's retreat in June, which is.

June fourteen and Coasta Rica.

June fourteen and Coasta Rica.

Yes, I have a person, you meet the people there. You got to have a person to go to that, right, Yeah, this one.

Yes, I have a person, you meet the people there. You got to have a person to go to that, right, Yeah, this one.

But I should like a matchmaking situation, singles.

But I should like a matchmaking situation, singles.

You might have. You know what.

You might have. You know what.

I encourage people that are just starting to date to come to tap into these type of experiences as well, because it really helps set the foundation for the rest of your relationship. Like don't wait till you have some ship going on your relationship, be like, let we need to go on a retreat.

I encourage people that are just starting to date to come to tap into these type of experiences as well, because it really helps set the foundation for the rest of your relationship. Like don't wait till you have some ship going on your relationship, be like, let we need to go on a retreat.

But how do you know, Because what I was about to say is if you got a couple of things going on? How you know which one like.

But how do you know, Because what I was about to say is if you got a couple of things going on? How you know which one like.

You want to Yeah, I'm a leaning you always know.

You want to Yeah, I'm a leaning you always know.

No, you might have like one and a good one and a possible right, but it's like then you lean in the wrong way too much, and then that messes up and you don't want to for.

No, you might have like one and a good one and a possible right, but it's like then you lean in the wrong way too much, and then that messes up and you don't want to for.

Four days, and now you can't talk to the other one. Would how do you know what you want to go?

Four days, and now you can't talk to the other one. Would how do you know what you want to go?

Like?

Like?

How am I bringing you to this couple's retreat?

How am I bringing you to this couple's retreat?

It's going to isolate just me and you for these days and cut off my conversation to any and every couple to No, that's not what I'm saying.

It's going to isolate just me and you for these days and cut off my conversation to any and every couple to No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm asking for women who are dating.

I'm asking for women who are dating.

Multiple If I'm the possible, I'm super upset.

Multiple If I'm the possible, I'm super upset.

I don't know who is number one on the roster. That's who you bring. You don't know that's who your I don't even have.

I don't know who is number one on the roster. That's who you bring. You don't know that's who your I don't even have.

A There is never a fucking solid tie.

A There is never a fucking solid tie.

I've had many rosters. There's never a solid tie.

I've had many rosters. There's never a solid tie.

It's always someone you want to spend more time with and the other one's just available.

It's always someone you want to spend more time with and the other one's just available.

Have you guys ever had someone come this is your first couple of retreat? Are you doing another one? This is our first one?

Have you guys ever had someone come this is your first couple of retreat? Are you doing another one? This is our first one?

Okay, I was going to say, but if somebody shows up with the person they're not supposed to be there with, how do you guys handle that?

Okay, I was going to say, but if somebody shows up with the person they're not supposed to be there with, how do you guys handle that?

Like, I'm gonna tell you, I don't know. I don't. We haven't.

Like, I'm gonna tell you, I don't know. I don't. We haven't.

Haven't you get the vibe through like the different things that you're doing throughout the weekend.

Haven't you get the vibe through like the different things that you're doing throughout the weekend.

I don't think y'all should mesh Well, well, first of all, for me, I'm not going to do that.

I don't think y'all should mesh Well, well, first of all, for me, I'm not going to do that.

I'm going to allow them to self discover and through the practices they're going to it's going to be crystal clear and the twister clear.

I'm going to allow them to self discover and through the practices they're going to it's going to be crystal clear and the twister clear.

You know.

You know.

But hopefully, you know, hopefully that's not the case, you know, And and I know you don't have a partner right now. But we do have women's retreats.

But hopefully, you know, hopefully that's not the case, you know, And and I know you don't have a partner right now. But we do have women's retreats.

Actually zero.

Actually zero.

Ry Retreat and we.

Ry Retreat and we.

Actually just release our dates for the summertime and we're actually doing a giveaway and we want we're giving away a free spot. So if anyone listening is interested in coming to women's retreat in Costa Rica, it's the Reset and Vibe Retreat. This is really about really resetting your vibe, resetting your nervous system, tapping in meeting a group of like minded women.

Actually just release our dates for the summertime and we're actually doing a giveaway and we want we're giving away a free spot. So if anyone listening is interested in coming to women's retreat in Costa Rica, it's the Reset and Vibe Retreat. This is really about really resetting your vibe, resetting your nervous system, tapping in meeting a group of like minded women.

Manifesting the man of your dream.

Manifesting the man of your dream.

It's playful, it's jamilus, titties will be out.

It's playful, it's jamilus, titties will be out.

There's there is a lot of nudity at the retreats. Women are like, is it resert, No, we take over the property.

There's there is a lot of nudity at the retreats. Women are like, is it resert, No, we take over the property.

They take over property, and people women are just like want to be confident in their bodies.

They take over property, and people women are just like want to be confident in their bodies.

Some women have literally never even walked around their house naked, you know.

Some women have literally never even walked around their house naked, you know.

So this is a safe space for you to like explore all the facets of you. You don't have to do that. It's not a requirement. This is not a newdist retreat. I want to be clear, but this is a place for you to show up. However it is that you want to whoever you are when you're here in New York or wherever the hell, or when you're with your homegirl that you've known since you were twelve and she's still holding you to this archaic version of yourself. When you come to the retreat, you can be whoever the fuck you want to be. You can rebrand yourself. You can be the loudest girl in the room. Maybe you're the quietest one at work, you know. And this is a place where I have seen such incredible, incredible transformations from the women from the literally from the beginning when they walk on property to the end and then it keeps going. And not only that, the women stay connected. So you know, when the work that we do, we get so many questions of like I don't have any female friends, I don't trust women, you know, I don't fuck with women like that. Well you need to, you know, I don't think that's really an option now, like we really need each other. And so I'm excited because we are giving away a spot to our retreat.

So this is a safe space for you to like explore all the facets of you. You don't have to do that. It's not a requirement. This is not a newdist retreat. I want to be clear, but this is a place for you to show up. However it is that you want to whoever you are when you're here in New York or wherever the hell, or when you're with your homegirl that you've known since you were twelve and she's still holding you to this archaic version of yourself. When you come to the retreat, you can be whoever the fuck you want to be. You can rebrand yourself. You can be the loudest girl in the room. Maybe you're the quietest one at work, you know. And this is a place where I have seen such incredible, incredible transformations from the women from the literally from the beginning when they walk on property to the end and then it keeps going. And not only that, the women stay connected. So you know, when the work that we do, we get so many questions of like I don't have any female friends, I don't trust women, you know, I don't fuck with women like that. Well you need to, you know, I don't think that's really an option now, like we really need each other. And so I'm excited because we are giving away a spot to our retreat.

So if you're.

So if you're.

Listening and you're interested, join our Patreon and all the details are in our patreon of how to enter the giveaway. And it's an all expense pay trip minus the flight, but everything there. Once you arrive, everything's handled for you. And that's the thing too, is like as women, we're such a doers. We want to like plan every little thing when you arrive.

Listening and you're interested, join our Patreon and all the details are in our patreon of how to enter the giveaway. And it's an all expense pay trip minus the flight, but everything there. Once you arrive, everything's handled for you. And that's the thing too, is like as women, we're such a doers. We want to like plan every little thing when you arrive.

Me and Mela. Me and Mela take care of everything.

Me and Mela. Me and Mela take care of everything.

So do you subscribe to the patreon.

So do you subscribe to the patreon.

You go to patreon dot com slash Good Mom's Bad Choices and then you will see all the details there And once you just subscribe to Patreon, you get access to our Discord Community, which is really like that is like the most like.

You go to patreon dot com slash Good Mom's Bad Choices and then you will see all the details there And once you just subscribe to Patreon, you get access to our Discord Community, which is really like that is like the most like.

Rich intimate tribe. There's a lot of moms and women. There's men there too, but you know, it's a lot of honest talking. And so it's like Tender for Friends.

Rich intimate tribe. There's a lot of moms and women. There's men there too, but you know, it's a lot of honest talking. And so it's like Tender for Friends.

The Reset plus Vibe and Coast Reka. That's February first through the six Yeah.

The Reset plus Vibe and Coast Reka. That's February first through the six Yeah.

But that's done, that's sold out. Yeah, this is in the summertime.

But that's done, that's sold out. Yeah, this is in the summertime.

So this is July thirty first through August fifth, So it's the summertime.

So this is July thirty first through August fifth, So it's the summertime.

Get the babysitter, you have time, stop making excuses. Come by yourself.

Get the babysitter, you have time, stop making excuses. Come by yourself.

Ninety percent of the women actually, like ninety eight percent of the women come alone to our retreats, and I recommend it. Like I said, like when you go on trips with friends, sometimes you feel like you got to take care of bitches. You feel like you can't be You're like this new version you're trying to be and not friends like that.

Ninety percent of the women actually, like ninety eight percent of the women come alone to our retreats, and I recommend it. Like I said, like when you go on trips with friends, sometimes you feel like you got to take care of bitches. You feel like you can't be You're like this new version you're trying to be and not friends like that.

Some people that's crazy.

Some people that's crazy.

They usually taking care of you. That's why you don't understand it.

They usually taking care of you. That's why you don't understand it.

First of all, they all do.

First of all, they all do.

People You're always like not you, but like women are always asking for permission, like do you want to go?

People You're always like not you, but like women are always asking for permission, like do you want to go?

Do you want what do you you don't want.

Do you want what do you you don't want.

To don't want to wait, you want shots.

To don't want to wait, you want shots.

That's what you're friends to be asking you, saying all the time, over and over and over.

That's what you're friends to be asking you, saying all the time, over and over and over.

You made a good point earlier about the mom friend her being your first mom friend. I have a friend who is the only one out of our friend group that has a kid, and I remember she was going through a point where she was trying to figure out mom friends. She has them now, and I used to be like, why you want to have other friends, like we are friends? What can you talk about them that discovery journey? And like why that's important? Because I think she did need that none that I'm older. But then I was like, girl, who don't people you've.