Wake that ass up in the morning.

Wake that ass up in the morning.

Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in stej Envy Jess hilarious. Shall I mean the guy? We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the buildings ind God Tribute. Welcome brother, thanksving me.

Breakfast Club Morning, everybody in stej Envy Jess hilarious. Shall I mean the guy? We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest in the buildings ind God Tribute. Welcome brother, thanksving me.

What's up y'all? Y'all?

What's up y'all? Y'all?

Congratulations he just won a Grammy twenty twenty four Grammy for Gospel Album.

Congratulations he just won a Grammy twenty twenty four Grammy for Gospel Album.

So congratulations.

So congratulations.

Yeah, three in total. Man, I'm so hype about that and excited. You know, Uh, it wasn't needed, but it's it's appreciated.

Yeah, three in total. Man, I'm so hype about that and excited. You know, Uh, it wasn't needed, but it's it's appreciated.

Do you pray for stuff like that?

Do you pray for stuff like that?

Nah? I used to?

Nah? I used to?

Okay, Okay, I used to, but I had to get my you know, uh, the reason why I do what I do.

Okay, Okay, I used to, but I had to get my you know, uh, the reason why I do what I do.

I had to get that in order.

I had to get that in order.

I had to you know, yeah, intention exactly. Last year I was nominated for two Grammys, and I just knew I was.

I had to you know, yeah, intention exactly. Last year I was nominated for two Grammys, and I just knew I was.

Gonna walk away with at least one.

Gonna walk away with at least one.

And when I walked away with none, it was like a soul check for me, Like, all right, well, why do you do what you do?

And when I walked away with none, it was like a soul check for me, Like, all right, well, why do you do what you do?

Bro? You gotta just just kind of re evaluate all of that stuff.

Bro? You gotta just just kind of re evaluate all of that stuff.

So I kind of like stopped needing it or stopped wanting it so bad and stopped so ambitially going for it.

So I kind of like stopped needing it or stopped wanting it so bad and stopped so ambitially going for it.

Just stick to it.

Just stick to it.

The reason why I do what I do, have fun doing it. Bless the people, show love, give him Christ, and uh this year when I walked away with it, Yo, we literally sat like in the back. Because the Gospels, they don't present the gospel on the on the Grammy we got the pre award.

The reason why I do what I do, have fun doing it. Bless the people, show love, give him Christ, and uh this year when I walked away with it, Yo, we literally sat like in the back. Because the Gospels, they don't present the gospel on the on the Grammy we got the pre award.

They could do it. I was like nine o'clock in the morning, you know what I'm saying. I had to wake up on early.

They could do it. I was like nine o'clock in the morning, you know what I'm saying. I had to wake up on early.

And we went to the pre show and it's open seating there, so you can see anywhere you want.

And we went to the pre show and it's open seating there, so you can see anywhere you want.

So my manager like, YO, come on, let's let's go to the front. Bro. I'm like, noah, man, I'm gonna sit back here.

So my manager like, YO, come on, let's let's go to the front. Bro. I'm like, noah, man, I'm gonna sit back here.

We're gonna take a l I don't like that long walk of shame.

We're gonna take a l I don't like that long walk of shame.

It's too far, so let's just stay close to the exit.

It's too far, so let's just stay close to the exit.

So we was in the back, chill, and I got it all on video and they called on everybody's name.

So we was in the back, chill, and I got it all on video and they called on everybody's name.

Of course when they call my name, I was like, because I was really content.

Of course when they call my name, I was like, because I was really content.

I had to learn really just to be content, because you know, being overly ambitious is robs you of gratitude.

I had to learn really just to be content, because you know, being overly ambitious is robs you of gratitude.

Then you just get on and feel like going down that rabbit hole so.

Then you just get on and feel like going down that rabbit hole so.

Loved to make you have to take that long walk up to the stage.

Loved to make you have to take that long walk up to the stage.

Had to take that.

Had to take that.

I was running like, oh my goodness, trying to figure out what I'm gonna say on the way because I literally didn't respect to win, but you know I was gonna beat it. Had to show them how to be a good, sore loser in Christ.

I was running like, oh my goodness, trying to figure out what I'm gonna say on the way because I literally didn't respect to win, but you know I was gonna beat it. Had to show them how to be a good, sore loser in Christ.

But I'm just proud of you every time you nominated. Thirteen nomination is that crazy?

But I'm just proud of you every time you nominated. Thirteen nomination is that crazy?

Yeah?

Yeah?

So even without winning the awards, I'm like, you're recognized like by so many to be nominated thirteen times.

So even without winning the awards, I'm like, you're recognized like by so many to be nominated thirteen times.

True true love that after a while you just get used to.

True true love that after a while you just get used to.

I should start celebrating the nominations, you know what I mean, because.

I should start celebrating the nominations, you know what I mean, because.

There's a lot of people that don't make it there either exactly or.

There's a lot of people that don't make it there either exactly or.

You just pile up the els. Thirteen but I lost no.

You just pile up the els. Thirteen but I lost no.

Yeah albums, Your work touched a lot of souls.

Yeah albums, Your work touched a lot of souls.

Thank you for that.

Thank you for that.

You know.

You know.

To me, I love that.

To me, I love that.

I love doing what I do and why I do it. You know what I'm saying.

I love doing what I do and why I do it. You know what I'm saying.

People leave my shows, they're not just turned up, but they got hope, you know what I mean, They got inspiration. You know what I mean, and healing and all of that's taking place. So I love what I do and why I do it.

People leave my shows, they're not just turned up, but they got hope, you know what I mean, They got inspiration. You know what I mean, and healing and all of that's taking place. So I love what I do and why I do it.

Man, it's a blessing.

Man, it's a blessing.

And you're from Camden, Camden, New Jersey, bro and until you lived there your whole life.

And you're from Camden, Camden, New Jersey, bro and until you lived there your whole life.

Yeah, in Florida, then Houston for a year in Florida. Okay, yeah, so growing up in Canon, you know, well, if you don't know, y'all should know here.

Yeah, in Florida, then Houston for a year in Florida. Okay, yeah, so growing up in Canon, you know, well, if you don't know, y'all should know here.

You know in New York, y'all know about Canada.

You know in New York, y'all know about Canada.

To ask God why?

To ask God why?

So many days I have got why? But I had to.

So many days I have got why? But I had to.

I had to get it in the trenches. I had to learn in the gut and how to. I had to learn how to be in the valley before you be in the mountain.

I had to get it in the trenches. I had to learn in the gut and how to. I had to learn how to be in the valley before you be in the mountain.

You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying.

So so I can know what it is to struggle, So I can know what it is to be impoverished. So I can know what it is. You know what I mean to be underprivileged. So when it happened for me, I could reach back and say, hey, this is how you do it, This is how you come up and help others.

So so I can know what it is to struggle, So I can know what it is to be impoverished. So I can know what it is. You know what I mean to be underprivileged. So when it happened for me, I could reach back and say, hey, this is how you do it, This is how you come up and help others.

Man.

Man.

I think it takes people like you, because when I see somebody like you have the success that they have from Camden. You really don't hear a lot of good things about cam Yeah, for real, you this.

I think it takes people like you, because when I see somebody like you have the success that they have from Camden. You really don't hear a lot of good things about cam Yeah, for real, you this.

Murder capital of the world sometime, or the most violent city. I remember those stats growing up, like, Hey, Camd's on the map. We in the newspaper for what, oh, most violent city, you know what I mean? That's not it's in Baltimore. Probably not too different, No shade to Baltimore. I love, I love yeah, everybody you know coming up coming out of that, you know, I'm glad.

Murder capital of the world sometime, or the most violent city. I remember those stats growing up, like, Hey, Camd's on the map. We in the newspaper for what, oh, most violent city, you know what I mean? That's not it's in Baltimore. Probably not too different, No shade to Baltimore. I love, I love yeah, everybody you know coming up coming out of that, you know, I'm glad.

I had like a little family church.

I had like a little family church.

We had little fifty member family church that we had just kept us ground and kept us focused. And I was just like tunnel vision the whole time, and slowly but surely I just saw myself not like my surroundings. Now, that was a challenge in itself, because you don't know you're different until you know you different, and then you know you got family to deal with and friends to deal with who are like, oh, I don't change on us, D da da da.

We had little fifty member family church that we had just kept us ground and kept us focused. And I was just like tunnel vision the whole time, and slowly but surely I just saw myself not like my surroundings. Now, that was a challenge in itself, because you don't know you're different until you know you different, and then you know you got family to deal with and friends to deal with who are like, oh, I don't change on us, D da da da.

But bro, if I don't change.

But bro, if I don't change.

I can't help you, you know what I'm saying. So that was a challenge for me at a very young age. Knowing I could now when I was talented, knowing I could play, knowing I could do music, and knowing it was.

I can't help you, you know what I'm saying. So that was a challenge for me at a very young age. Knowing I could now when I was talented, knowing I could play, knowing I could do music, and knowing it was.

What's the word extraordinary? It wasn't just normal.

What's the word extraordinary? It wasn't just normal.

So that change was a challenge. But you know, I'm glad that all things work together for good man.

So that change was a challenge. But you know, I'm glad that all things work together for good man.

I want to ask you, know what I'm saying. With being a gospel singer, do you feel like it's a lot of pressure on you where it's almost like people look at your life differently right, Like it's almost like they want you to be perfect. Did you have a hard time dealing with that?

I want to ask you, know what I'm saying. With being a gospel singer, do you feel like it's a lot of pressure on you where it's almost like people look at your life differently right, Like it's almost like they want you to be perfect. Did you have a hard time dealing with that?

Help with that.

Help with that.

Before I became a gospel artist. So speaking of growing up in this small church, my grandmother was the pastor. First, my dad was on the organ. I'm watching him every Sunday like, oh my god, this guy is amazing. I start playing. Then he became the pastor. So I got that pressure as a PK, the perfection, all of that, all of that. I got all of that pressures as a young kid, like twelve nine when I was. Since I was, since I've been born, spotlight has been on me to be.

Before I became a gospel artist. So speaking of growing up in this small church, my grandmother was the pastor. First, my dad was on the organ. I'm watching him every Sunday like, oh my god, this guy is amazing. I start playing. Then he became the pastor. So I got that pressure as a PK, the perfection, all of that, all of that. I got all of that pressures as a young kid, like twelve nine when I was. Since I was, since I've been born, spotlight has been on me to be.

The poster child for what Christ is. I'm like, yo, the worst why pressure though? Because of the damn too much hand comes leads the rebellion. Man, you know what I mean?

The poster child for what Christ is. I'm like, yo, the worst why pressure though? Because of the damn too much hand comes leads the rebellion. Man, you know what I mean?

That legalism and that religious structure. It leads to like, yo, I'm not cut out for this. I didn't sign up for this. Y'all sign up for this and the expectation is too much for me. Yo, So I I just rebel. People go completely opposite of the ways that their parents bring them up when you bring them up too strict. I came up the same way. I had the pressure of perfection and I tried to live up to it until my parents got a divorce.

That legalism and that religious structure. It leads to like, yo, I'm not cut out for this. I didn't sign up for this. Y'all sign up for this and the expectation is too much for me. Yo, So I I just rebel. People go completely opposite of the ways that their parents bring them up when you bring them up too strict. I came up the same way. I had the pressure of perfection and I tried to live up to it until my parents got a divorce.

And I'm like, whoa.

And I'm like, whoa.

In my day that was like, you know, it's normal now every day it happens every day. Back then, it was like a culture shouting for me. It shattered my whole world.

In my day that was like, you know, it's normal now every day it happens every day. Back then, it was like a culture shouting for me. It shattered my whole world.

I was like, bump the church. Then, what I'm doing there? Why am I being faithful to God in it? Man? My dad, I'm out, you know what I'm saying.

I was like, bump the church. Then, what I'm doing there? Why am I being faithful to God in it? Man? My dad, I'm out, you know what I'm saying.

That's when I went to all the clubs did.

That's when I went to all the clubs did.

All that stuff.

All that stuff.

I didn't dance though, I just played at all the clubs. I didn't, you know, I still didn't drained and smoke. I just went and played the keyboard at all the club for like music, soul child, Jill Scott, everybody in the Philadelphia area of the roots and all that stuff. So I'm in there playing hymns to the beasts. They don't even know what I'm doing. But I kind of had my little rebellious moment during that time, just to find out who I am outside of y'all expectations. Man, I said, of who y'all saying God is to me, let me find them for myself. Let me figure out who you're for myself. And it's been the most liberating thing. And I've been walking in that since.

I didn't dance though, I just played at all the clubs. I didn't, you know, I still didn't drained and smoke. I just went and played the keyboard at all the club for like music, soul child, Jill Scott, everybody in the Philadelphia area of the roots and all that stuff. So I'm in there playing hymns to the beasts. They don't even know what I'm doing. But I kind of had my little rebellious moment during that time, just to find out who I am outside of y'all expectations. Man, I said, of who y'all saying God is to me, let me find them for myself. Let me figure out who you're for myself. And it's been the most liberating thing. And I've been walking in that since.

I feel like that's a journey, and that's a formal liberation every human has to experience in their life.

I feel like that's a journey, and that's a formal liberation every human has to experience in their life.

You and you should like strive to feel that.

You and you should like strive to feel that.

No literally, whether you're religious or a church or not. Just the family, just family bond, you know what I mean. Blood all of that family can bind you, bro Family can keep you stuck in a level that you never supposed to be in for the rest of your life.

No literally, whether you're religious or a church or not. Just the family, just family bond, you know what I mean. Blood all of that family can bind you, bro Family can keep you stuck in a level that you never supposed to be in for the rest of your life.

People who love you can bind you.

People who love you can bind you.

Do through their care, through their love, through their expectations, through manipulation, through emotional manipulation.

Do through their care, through their love, through their expectations, through manipulation, through emotional manipulation.

It's a whole lot of things that keep us.

It's a whole lot of things that keep us.

From being who we're supposed to be in this earth because of other people's expectations and demand. So I'm all about freedom, man. My My whole life is freedom. My whole mantra is about freedom. So when you when you you know, contact me or hear my music, people think it's energy. I like to call it the spirit of freedom, man, liberating everybody, because you need that. When you don't know you bound, that's the worst. When you don't know you're bound, that is the worst. When you become used to being manipulated, used to being controlled, used to being used.

From being who we're supposed to be in this earth because of other people's expectations and demand. So I'm all about freedom, man. My My whole life is freedom. My whole mantra is about freedom. So when you when you you know, contact me or hear my music, people think it's energy. I like to call it the spirit of freedom, man, liberating everybody, because you need that. When you don't know you bound, that's the worst. When you don't know you're bound, that is the worst. When you become used to being manipulated, used to being controlled, used to being used.

You can either be used or loved. You can't be both. You could either be used or love.

You can either be used or loved. You can't be both. You could either be used or love.

And a lot of people are being used and not realizing they're not experiencing true love, man. So they just just get used to being used, like all right, I'll do this for you, I'll come through for you, I'll do it whenever you call me, I'm there.

And a lot of people are being used and not realizing they're not experiencing true love, man. So they just just get used to being used, like all right, I'll do this for you, I'll come through for you, I'll do it whenever you call me, I'm there.

And they think that's that's love. But a lot of them are being used.

And they think that's that's love. But a lot of them are being used.

Did a lot of those triggers resurface in your marriage when you separated?

Did a lot of those triggers resurface in your marriage when you separated?

Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Well me and my wife separated. It was it was it was bad, yo, it was it was very very bad for me because I didn't think my whole thing. When my father messed up with my dad, I'm like, I ain't never gonna be like him.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Well me and my wife separated. It was it was it was bad, yo, it was it was very very bad for me because I didn't think my whole thing. When my father messed up with my dad, I'm like, I ain't never gonna be like him.

I'm never gonna do that. No, no, no, So I went the pride way.

I'm never gonna do that. No, no, no, So I went the pride way.

So my heart just really was like, you know what I mean, I got more exposure than he ever got. I got more notoriot than he ever got. And I'm still ain't gonna do what he did. I'm still letting that pride.

So my heart just really was like, you know what I mean, I got more exposure than he ever got. I got more notoriot than he ever got. And I'm still ain't gonna do what he did. I'm still letting that pride.

Comes before a fall. And I fell hard and I moved to La. My wife was in Jersey. We just separated. I didn't think we would ever, you know, get back together again. I was just out there working on me. She was out there.

Comes before a fall. And I fell hard and I moved to La. My wife was in Jersey. We just separated. I didn't think we would ever, you know, get back together again. I was just out there working on me. She was out there.

She was out there working on her, not really trying to get the marriage back together. And I think when you try to do that too soon, sometimes you damage you know, you damage it because you just your point is just to try to get them get back together, but not work on you, because you still got stuff you got to work. I still have stuff I had to work on. I still had weaknesses I had to work on. And so I'm out there working on me, she's working on her. I'm praying. She's praying that God kind of just brought our hearts back together. But through that whole time, I realized my mortality, I realized my humanism, I realized my weaknesses. I realized who I was for real, like this religious perspective. I became that like like now I'm a pastor, right, But I don't say I'm a pastor. I'm just I'm just a child of God with asignment. You understand what I'm saying. I'm a child of God who got something to say to a certain group of people. I don't become my assignment. You understand what I'm saying. But that's the world today. If I would to meet you in the street, the first thing I'll say is what do you do?

She was out there working on her, not really trying to get the marriage back together. And I think when you try to do that too soon, sometimes you damage you know, you damage it because you just your point is just to try to get them get back together, but not work on you, because you still got stuff you got to work. I still have stuff I had to work on. I still had weaknesses I had to work on. And so I'm out there working on me, she's working on her. I'm praying. She's praying that God kind of just brought our hearts back together. But through that whole time, I realized my mortality, I realized my humanism, I realized my weaknesses. I realized who I was for real, like this religious perspective. I became that like like now I'm a pastor, right, But I don't say I'm a pastor. I'm just I'm just a child of God with asignment. You understand what I'm saying. I'm a child of God who got something to say to a certain group of people. I don't become my assignment. You understand what I'm saying. But that's the world today. If I would to meet you in the street, the first thing I'll say is what do you do?

Not who are you? You understand what I'm saying.

Not who are you? You understand what I'm saying.

And I think we lose who we are and what we do. And that's what I did. I got lost in all of that, and I forgot who I was.

And I think we lose who we are and what we do. And that's what I did. I got lost in all of that, and I forgot who I was.

And now I read that you you battle with deep depression during that time, Yeah, contmpleted suicide.

And now I read that you you battle with deep depression during that time, Yeah, contmpleted suicide.

What got you out of that?

What got you out of that?

Literally, what got me out of suicide initially was just people. It was just people around me too much. I couldn't get by myself. It was just always literally, it wasn't my prayer life. It wasn't the Holy ghost, it was peep. It was physical people around me.

Literally, what got me out of suicide initially was just people. It was just people around me too much. I couldn't get by myself. It was just always literally, it wasn't my prayer life. It wasn't the Holy ghost, it was peep. It was physical people around me.

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I'm like, cause y'all just leaves like a pope, these pills, because y'all just leaves like to try to do all this stuff.

I'm like, cause y'all just leaves like a pope, these pills, because y'all just leaves like to try to do all this stuff.

But depression is a.

But depression is a.

Deep, deep, deep dark spirit, man, And I'm glad that I had people around me to help me get through that season.

Deep, deep, deep dark spirit, man, And I'm glad that I had people around me to help me get through that season.

Man.

Man.

Just all those thoughts and all those suggestions that come to us, man, and we feel like it's us.

Just all those thoughts and all those suggestions that come to us, man, and we feel like it's us.

I love that I call them. I called them well.

I love that I call them. I called them well.

I had a little series that I called Ghostbusters, right, so, because there's other ghosts besides the holy ghosts. And if you don't differentiate what ghost is speaking to you, bro, you could be lost in that whole rabbit hole of depression, suicide, stress, all of these things. My issue is we let all these ghosts talk to us, and we do what they say, and we take on the moves and the and the attitudes of all these voices that are speaking to us. Therapy helps, counseling helps, but ultimately the spirit of God is the only one that could really, you know, deliver us and rescue us from that man. And I had I had that. I had that, but I was there, and I couldn't believe I was there. I love my life, I love my wife, I love I thought I was.

I had a little series that I called Ghostbusters, right, so, because there's other ghosts besides the holy ghosts. And if you don't differentiate what ghost is speaking to you, bro, you could be lost in that whole rabbit hole of depression, suicide, stress, all of these things. My issue is we let all these ghosts talk to us, and we do what they say, and we take on the moves and the and the attitudes of all these voices that are speaking to us. Therapy helps, counseling helps, but ultimately the spirit of God is the only one that could really, you know, deliver us and rescue us from that man. And I had I had that. I had that, but I was there, and I couldn't believe I was there. I love my life, I love my wife, I love I thought I was.

I thought I was good.

I thought I was good.

But then when tragedy hits you and you just can't take it and you just feel like you have no other option. It was really the embarrassment. It was really the pride of everybody know who I am. It really wasn't life was so hard. It was how I saw myself and how I thought I was. So when you just drop who you are, like yo, when you just just just.

But then when tragedy hits you and you just can't take it and you just feel like you have no other option. It was really the embarrassment. It was really the pride of everybody know who I am. It really wasn't life was so hard. It was how I saw myself and how I thought I was. So when you just drop who you are, like yo, when you just just just.

Kill who you think you are, man, just be nothing.

Kill who you think you are, man, just be nothing.

The Bible says, uh uh, he who seeks to save his life will lose it. But if you lose your life, you'll gain it. So I lost the celebrity side of me. I lost the godspel artists. I lost I like, forget being the father, forget being a husband, forget all these things I think I am. I'm just I'm just tired right now. And then that's when salvation begin to come.

The Bible says, uh uh, he who seeks to save his life will lose it. But if you lose your life, you'll gain it. So I lost the celebrity side of me. I lost the godspel artists. I lost I like, forget being the father, forget being a husband, forget all these things I think I am. I'm just I'm just tired right now. And then that's when salvation begin to come.

Because you really are bigger than your image, and it was all in the image that you were living in.

Because you really are bigger than your image, and it was all in the image that you were living in.

Yeah, but that's that's not that's not social media today. You are your image today.

Yeah, but that's that's not that's not social media today. You are your image today.

You understand what I'm saying. You are, You are who you post today.

You understand what I'm saying. You are, You are who you post today.

So that's why it's also a lot of suicide out of a lot of depression, a lot more than we see it.

So that's why it's also a lot of suicide out of a lot of depression, a lot more than we see it.

You know, how challenging is it to be to be on social media? You understand what I'm saying. I know some people who will never be beyond the camera without they lashes on, who will never get on there without certain things. So how challenging is it to be your authentic self on social media? I don't think or onto the world. I don't think people are ready to bear that nakedness, you know what I'm saying. But it's gonna take somebody who's undershamed to be like, hey, this is me and love me or leave me and just run.

You know, how challenging is it to be to be on social media? You understand what I'm saying. I know some people who will never be beyond the camera without they lashes on, who will never get on there without certain things. So how challenging is it to be your authentic self on social media? I don't think or onto the world. I don't think people are ready to bear that nakedness, you know what I'm saying. But it's gonna take somebody who's undershamed to be like, hey, this is me and love me or leave me and just run.

The risk of that. But I don't think people are ready for that.

The risk of that. But I don't think people are ready for that.

I did that early.

I did that early.

I got a little it's a little ponytail.

I got a little it's a little ponytail.

It's still going around.

It's still going around.

You try to get it off.

You try to get it off.

Yeah, I'm trying get it off now, But I'm like, yo, that's that's when I first started, and it was out there.

Yeah, I'm trying get it off now, But I'm like, yo, that's that's when I first started, and it was out there.

They put T shirt, put it on T shirts and everything, like Jess. It was a lot of I sold it out, but I was like, you know what.

They put T shirt, put it on T shirts and everything, like Jess. It was a lot of I sold it out, but I was like, you know what.

This down But that's what I loved about you. That's what I love. You understand what I'm saying.

This down But that's what I loved about you. That's what I love. You understand what I'm saying.

Damn, just don't give them right right?

Damn, just don't give them right right?

Would you do it? Though you admire that, but would you do it? Would you do it?

Would you do it? Though you admire that, but would you do it? Would you do it?

If I had the poonty that would.

If I had the poonty that would.

Head?

Head?

There's a picture there's a picture of Charlamagne with head and look kind of like it starts back here, But you never posted that.

There's a picture there's a picture of Charlamagne with head and look kind of like it starts back here, But you never posted that.

I got to see that.

I got to see that.

I think you and your whole situation is just a testament to the glory of God.

I think you and your whole situation is just a testament to the glory of God.

You you and your wife were together.

You you and your wife were together.

Now yeah, she's right here, right behind me.

Now yeah, she's right here, right behind me.

Man.

Man.

She survived the car. Y'all been through a lot.

She survived the car. Y'all been through a lot.

Ye, a whole, a whole, a whole lot.

Ye, a whole, a whole, a whole lot.

It seemed like a series of unfortunate events, you know what I'm saying. And her life, I mean, it's just it just it just starts from I'm gonna say it starts from burst. Everybody's life starts from U. But with the with growing up with parents like I had and she was basically fatherless for a long period of time. You grow up with a whole lot of unmet needs, you know what I mean. You have needs as a child that you should have met that you don't have met. Security, protection, encouragement, validation, all of these things.

It seemed like a series of unfortunate events, you know what I'm saying. And her life, I mean, it's just it just it just starts from I'm gonna say it starts from burst. Everybody's life starts from U. But with the with growing up with parents like I had and she was basically fatherless for a long period of time. You grow up with a whole lot of unmet needs, you know what I mean. You have needs as a child that you should have met that you don't have met. Security, protection, encouragement, validation, all of these things.

We we affection.

We we affection.

We have to grow up without that right, So now we got to make the choice of either like living without it or killing the desire period. So now we commit what we call my man Tim Fletcher calls sole suicide. So you commit sole suicide because as a child of three year.

We have to grow up without that right, So now we got to make the choice of either like living without it or killing the desire period. So now we commit what we call my man Tim Fletcher calls sole suicide. So you commit sole suicide because as a child of three year.

Old, I need affection.

Old, I need affection.

I don't know I need it, but naturally I need it, and if I don't get it, I just killed the desire for it. So now I'm in a relationship and I don't know how to be affection saying you understand what I'm saying, Or I got kids and I don't know how to show that because I've been killed that. So now we're trying to like restore those things and trying to do it in the context of marriage. A marriage her at eighteen, I was twenty one, So that's a that's a kid. Those are kids when I look at them. Ages now I'm like, man, it was a kid.

I don't know I need it, but naturally I need it, and if I don't get it, I just killed the desire for it. So now I'm in a relationship and I don't know how to be affection saying you understand what I'm saying, Or I got kids and I don't know how to show that because I've been killed that. So now we're trying to like restore those things and trying to do it in the context of marriage. A marriage her at eighteen, I was twenty one, So that's a that's a kid. Those are kids when I look at them. Ages now I'm like, man, it was a kid.

That's really little kid. We live together? Huh?

That's really little kid. We live together? Huh?

How long y'all been together?

How long y'all been together?

Twenty eight now?

Twenty eight now?

Yeah, that's twenty eight years.

Yeah, that's twenty eight years.

Gah, my wife twenty six over being his wife thirty thirty.

Gah, my wife twenty six over being his wife thirty thirty.

I congrass, bro, So y'all know what I'm talking about.

I congrass, bro, So y'all know what I'm talking about.

Listen. I relate to your story so much.

Listen. I relate to your story so much.

Even when you talk about how you know what you saw in your father and not wanting to be like that, yeah, and then finding out that you became just like that later, do you understand?

Even when you talk about how you know what you saw in your father and not wanting to be like that, yeah, and then finding out that you became just like that later, do you understand?

Oh my god, do you understand?

Oh my god, do you understand?

Man, that's like a that's like a that's like a It's like a shock to your whole to your whole system.

Man, that's like a that's like a that's like a It's like a shock to your whole to your whole system.

Man.

Man.

You got to do a whole lot of rewiring man.

You got to do a whole lot of rewiring man.

And my thing is, I think a lot of people know they need help. Where they go to get help is just as important as knowing you need help.

And my thing is, I think a lot of people know they need help. Where they go to get help is just as important as knowing you need help.

So you know what I mean.

So you know what I mean.

So therapists and all that stuff, I think that I think that's all is great, But I like to go to the source. I like to go to the creator, and I believe God is the creative of all of us. If you don't turn to God, man, you'll get a band there, you'll get medicated, but the real healing is in Jesus Christ.

So therapists and all that stuff, I think that I think that's all is great, But I like to go to the source. I like to go to the creator, and I believe God is the creative of all of us. If you don't turn to God, man, you'll get a band there, you'll get medicated, but the real healing is in Jesus Christ.

I'm believe in God and therapy me too, me too, and plant based medicine and healing and meditation.

I'm believe in God and therapy me too, me too, and plant based medicine and healing and meditation.

I can't spoke to with your brother, but I understand, but I feel I'm God.

I can't spoke to with your brother, but I understand, but I feel I'm God.

I am mad at you, Bro.

I am mad at you, Bro.

I ain't hear the judge at all, but you know, I just feel like when something else becomes your source, something else is your source, you know what I mean. And that's the scary part to me. I don't want another thing besides God to be my source. Everything could be a resource, and if God leads me to that, fine, But if I just choose it, I could damage myself and my life and what I want and desire to do or be in life.

I ain't hear the judge at all, but you know, I just feel like when something else becomes your source, something else is your source, you know what I mean. And that's the scary part to me. I don't want another thing besides God to be my source. Everything could be a resource, and if God leads me to that, fine, But if I just choose it, I could damage myself and my life and what I want and desire to do or be in life.

But what do you think about some of the It seems like for a while, maybe the last ten years, it seems like being a pastor was cool, right, So it was like like everybody wanted to be a rapper, everybody wanted to be a podcast host. At least, like a lot of people wanted to be pastor for the wrong reasons.

But what do you think about some of the It seems like for a while, maybe the last ten years, it seems like being a pastor was cool, right, So it was like like everybody wanted to be a rapper, everybody wanted to be a podcast host. At least, like a lot of people wanted to be pastor for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, how do you feel about that? You missed that or the past error remember the past, you know, man, it was building them huge churches. Everybody was.

Yeah, how do you feel about that? You missed that or the past error remember the past, you know, man, it was building them huge churches. Everybody was.

I think the pastor phenomenon came from, oh, man.

I think the pastor phenomenon came from, oh, man.

Getting money.

Getting money.

There's a bunch of different things.

There's a bunch of different things.

You can speak to them more, but I think getting money in the church and how you look and how you're praised is and you forget that he's supposed to be praised, but I praise you and all that type of stuff.

You can speak to them more, but I think getting money in the church and how you look and how you're praised is and you forget that he's supposed to be praised, but I praise you and all that type of stuff.

So yeah, I see a lot of Instagram pass out there, but.

So yeah, I see a lot of Instagram pass out there, but.

You know it is you killed.

You know it is you killed.

You killed that whole thing. I think a lot of pastors were not called the pastor. They just you know, study, you go to school and then you just become a pastor like you become a manager at you know, publics or something like that. And that's that's unfortunate for a lot of people who invest their you know, money, time, attention, and their soul into people who they believe are literally called from God. I don't believe a lot of pastors are. I think I think.

You killed that whole thing. I think a lot of pastors were not called the pastor. They just you know, study, you go to school and then you just become a pastor like you become a manager at you know, publics or something like that. And that's that's unfortunate for a lot of people who invest their you know, money, time, attention, and their soul into people who they believe are literally called from God. I don't believe a lot of pastors are. I think I think.

It's a system. Now on God. It's a system.

It's a system. Now on God. It's a system.

Everything is a system, and systems work with or without God. So I think the institution of church is whack. I think how church is ran is whack. I think the religious system and structure is whack. I don't subscribe to it, even though I grew up in it, I benefited from it. But I learned that God is not the church.

Everything is a system, and systems work with or without God. So I think the institution of church is whack. I think how church is ran is whack. I think the religious system and structure is whack. I don't subscribe to it, even though I grew up in it, I benefited from it. But I learned that God is not the church.

And once I realized whoa God? Ain't church for me? You know what I mean? I ain't from the streets. I'm from the church. So that was a huge thing as well.

And once I realized whoa God? Ain't church for me? You know what I mean? I ain't from the streets. I'm from the church. So that was a huge thing as well.

It's in the marbles, say you can't even find God in the man made too.

It's in the marbles, say you can't even find God in the man made too.

Why don't we read that?

Why don't we read that?

Though?

Though?

How often do you hear that sermon?

How often do you hear that sermon?

No?

No?

You hear people. Pastors make the people about the church. We got the church name, we Church and the church and the bumper stick of the church.

You hear people. Pastors make the people about the church. We got the church name, we Church and the church and the bumper stick of the church.

The church should be about the people. The church should be about the people. But the church makes the people about the church.

The church should be about the people. The church should be about the people. But the church makes the people about the church.

So all churches now are a movement, but they're not about the people.

So all churches now are a movement, but they're not about the people.

They're not about serving and loving the people. So I just kind of pulled that.

They're not about serving and loving the people. So I just kind of pulled that.

We online right now. We're not even in the building, a physical building or nothing like that. So Live Church, shout out to Live Church. I love y'all so much. Live Church, Orlando. We're online right now. And because we had an issue with a building, and now I'm like, hold up, what's going on here? Like do we need a bit like you understand what I'm saying, like in order to do what we need to do affect people, serve and love and minister. I'm just looking at everything differently at this point because the church structure has really I mean, there's a lot of people who won't even go to church.

We online right now. We're not even in the building, a physical building or nothing like that. So Live Church, shout out to Live Church. I love y'all so much. Live Church, Orlando. We're online right now. And because we had an issue with a building, and now I'm like, hold up, what's going on here? Like do we need a bit like you understand what I'm saying, like in order to do what we need to do affect people, serve and love and minister. I'm just looking at everything differently at this point because the church structure has really I mean, there's a lot of people who won't even go to church.

Obviously when the last time y'all been to church?

Obviously when the last time y'all been to church?

I go every Sunday on bedside Baptist. Yeah, I like watching Potter's House online.

I go every Sunday on bedside Baptist. Yeah, I like watching Potter's House online.

Oh yeah, okay, wait to jump down here through and be like, no, you don't every Sunday.

Oh yeah, okay, wait to jump down here through and be like, no, you don't every Sunday.

But why not?

But why not?

Honestly is because it's not too many churches that speak to my spirit. I really do like what they do in the Potter's House. I think there's a lot of annoying in that church from Bishop td Jake's Jake Roberts the truth to So even when I'm in Dallas, if I'm now on like today, I'll stay just to go on like this, you physically go, oh absolutely, what about you?

Honestly is because it's not too many churches that speak to my spirit. I really do like what they do in the Potter's House. I think there's a lot of annoying in that church from Bishop td Jake's Jake Roberts the truth to So even when I'm in Dallas, if I'm now on like today, I'll stay just to go on like this, you physically go, oh absolutely, what about you?

For me?

For me?

It's I used to hate going to church as a kid, right because Baptist Church is staying there for five hours, especially if somebody's getting baptized, you gotta dress up. So it made me not necessarily love it right. And I noticed that with my kids when I took them to church, it became mature, like I gotta get dressed. I got this for now. On Sunday morning, we can cook breakfast together, sit down on the couch and watch it and it's comfortable. Then gotta get dressed. They ain't got Mommy, ain't got to do the kids here, Yeah, they ain't got to make sure things are right because they got to sit there. Now, it's not that at all. It's all about the church, which I prefer. So, yeah, we go online, you know what I mean. And I don't have to just stick to one church. You know, as a kid growing up in New York, we always had to go to Brooklyn to Grandma's church.

It's I used to hate going to church as a kid, right because Baptist Church is staying there for five hours, especially if somebody's getting baptized, you gotta dress up. So it made me not necessarily love it right. And I noticed that with my kids when I took them to church, it became mature, like I gotta get dressed. I got this for now. On Sunday morning, we can cook breakfast together, sit down on the couch and watch it and it's comfortable. Then gotta get dressed. They ain't got Mommy, ain't got to do the kids here, Yeah, they ain't got to make sure things are right because they got to sit there. Now, it's not that at all. It's all about the church, which I prefer. So, yeah, we go online, you know what I mean. And I don't have to just stick to one church. You know, as a kid growing up in New York, we always had to go to Brooklyn to Grandma's church.

There was no option.

There was no option.

It was let me try something else. Now on TV one day, I can turn dollar next day, I can turn next day, and I can get different feelings and my kids can as well. So I prefer that as well too.

It was let me try something else. Now on TV one day, I can turn dollar next day, I can turn next day, and I can get different feelings and my kids can as well. So I prefer that as well too.

Why you don't, I was, he was going to ask me.

Why you don't, I was, he was going to ask me.

I was, so, yeah, So I still have I still belong to my home church in Baltimore City Restoration Christian and Cocleesia Church. And I'm not in Baltimore on Sundays anymore, you know, just I have to be here.

I was, so, yeah, So I still have I still belong to my home church in Baltimore City Restoration Christian and Cocleesia Church. And I'm not in Baltimore on Sundays anymore, you know, just I have to be here.

I gotta wake up three forty five in the morning.

I gotta wake up three forty five in the morning.

But even before that, I was doing shows Thursday through Sunday, so I wasn't able to go. And if I just try more, I can definitely get on the road to come up here after church because church is from ten to twelve, ten to one sometimes.

But even before that, I was doing shows Thursday through Sunday, so I wasn't able to go. And if I just try more, I can definitely get on the road to come up here after church because church is from ten to twelve, ten to one sometimes.

But I still pay my times, you know what I mean, I.

But I still pay my times, you know what I mean, I.

Still give all.

Still give all.

Friend, my mom's a deacon. I grew up in that church. It was called Holy Church of Christ when I was younger, and my son has been Christian in that church. And my my baby that I'm having now will go and get Christian. I'm never I don't want to go to another church.

Friend, my mom's a deacon. I grew up in that church. It was called Holy Church of Christ when I was younger, and my son has been Christian in that church. And my my baby that I'm having now will go and get Christian. I'm never I don't want to go to another church.

You know.

You know.

I will listen to a sermon from someone else like y'all listen to Sarah Jakes, you know, I will, and different podcasts as well. But I just my my reason is simply just an excuse. I just don't go to church because I travel.

I will listen to a sermon from someone else like y'all listen to Sarah Jakes, you know, I will, and different podcasts as well. But I just my my reason is simply just an excuse. I just don't go to church because I travel.

Okay, I get that. What do y'all look for when you go to a church. What do y'all, what do y'all look for?

Okay, I get that. What do y'all look for when you go to a church. What do y'all, what do y'all look for?

Like you said, everyone, don't don't touch your soul, don't minister to your spirit.

Like you said, everyone, don't don't touch your soul, don't minister to your spirit.

It's not about what I look for. It's about what I feel got it. It's a feeling, you know what I mean?

It's not about what I look for. It's about what I feel got it. It's a feeling, you know what I mean?

Like you just I know what you mean.

Like you just I know what you mean.

Would just speak to your soul? You know, I think, Sorry, Jake's right now, mans to me.

Would just speak to your soul? You know, I think, Sorry, Jake's right now, mans to me.

I'm talking to you all the time, even when I just want to listen to her podcast.

I'm talking to you all the time, even when I just want to listen to her podcast.

So I just think some people have an annoying on them for the moment that we are in. And just like her father had it and still has it, you know, she has it for the current.

So I just think some people have an annoying on them for the moment that we are in. And just like her father had it and still has it, you know, she has it for the current.

Moment that we're in.

Moment that we're in.

And then another thing, So growing up in a church where.

And then another thing, So growing up in a church where.

You know, I'm so used to that back in the day like Manson's, I don't want to go to a big, big, big church because the pastor don't know me. I'm used to going to talk to the past pastor after church, going to get that individual prayer, going to tell him what I'm struggling with and all that. As a teenager, I was going through a lot of things, you know what I mean. So I would be able to go and talk to my uncle he is the bishop, Like, go and talk to him and stuff like that. But I've gone to churches where you know, the pastor don't even know you, and he's not even tripping off getting.

You know, I'm so used to that back in the day like Manson's, I don't want to go to a big, big, big church because the pastor don't know me. I'm used to going to talk to the past pastor after church, going to get that individual prayer, going to tell him what I'm struggling with and all that. As a teenager, I was going through a lot of things, you know what I mean. So I would be able to go and talk to my uncle he is the bishop, Like, go and talk to him and stuff like that. But I've gone to churches where you know, the pastor don't even know you, and he's not even tripping off getting.

To know nobody.

To know nobody.

You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, he just come and he do his thing. They sing a whole album before he starts the sermon. Yet, yes, right, you shout. I see people shouting. I see you know all of that. And that's what I'm used to because you not inuble I start coming from there and then absolutely no wood.

Yeah, he just come and he do his thing. They sing a whole album before he starts the sermon. Yet, yes, right, you shout. I see people shouting. I see you know all of that. And that's what I'm used to because you not inuble I start coming from there and then absolutely no wood.

I started going to church till later got you growing for that.

I started going to church till later got you growing for that.

Whole going around knocking on the doors.

Whole going around knocking on the doors.

How you doing? How you know? That's what I'm talking about.

How you doing? How you know? That's what I'm talking about.

That's what I'm talking time for that.

That's what I'm talking time for that.

But you got time to walk down every black and handing the pamphlets.

But you got time to walk down every black and handing the pamphlets.

Yeah, and too early y'all come to it came around noon, to'll be honest.

Yeah, and too early y'all come to it came around noon, to'll be honest.

So yeah, this is the personal personal has been lost, you know what I mean. And then it becomes to the point where the.

So yeah, this is the personal personal has been lost, you know what I mean. And then it becomes to the point where the.

Like I said, the pastor feel.

Like I said, the pastor feel.

Like he's got Yeah, that's what I'm talking to churches and and.

Like he's got Yeah, that's what I'm talking to churches and and.

That's what I meant by churches is whacking, because I know I went on just wack whack whacking church probably like you just in my church last week.

That's what I meant by churches is whacking, because I know I went on just wack whack whacking church probably like you just in my church last week.

I don't mean that.

I don't mean that.

I mean I mean that stuff right there and what has become I have found it.

I mean I mean that stuff right there and what has become I have found it.

I have found it.

I have found it.

I think I said the right challenging to know everyone in my church, though I found it.

I think I said the right challenging to know everyone in my church, though I found it.

I found it challenging. I try to be personable. I try to.

I found it challenging. I try to be personable. I try to.

I stay at the church and just I stand at whoever want to come to me, they can talk to me.

I stay at the church and just I stand at whoever want to come to me, they can talk to me.

I don't got the.

I don't got the.

Eighty security guards and all that, right, I'm standing, they can talk to me.

Eighty security guards and all that, right, I'm standing, they can talk to me.

But it's a challenge to know everybody in the church.

But it's a challenge to know everybody in the church.

And that's a big that's because a bigger, it's a bigger, bigger.

And that's a big that's because a bigger, it's a bigger, bigger.

But your new families though, like in my church, they knew the Casey family and parents, they knew the Johnson's and it is one of that one was a new family.

But your new families though, like in my church, they knew the Casey family and parents, they knew the Johnson's and it is one of that one was a new family.

Yeah yeah, yeah, overall, and that means something that that that means a lot to people. But what if you didn't get that, does that mean that's not the church for you? Because Moses led millions of people.

Yeah yeah, yeah, overall, and that means something that that that means a lot to people. But what if you didn't get that, does that mean that's not the church for you? Because Moses led millions of people.

I doubt he knew you.

I doubt he knew you.

Know what I mean, joh Qubbos, whatever his name was, I doubt, I doubt he knew everyone, but he was still their leader. So I tried to look at it from a lot of perspectives, you know what I mean, and make sure people are coming for the right reason, and make sure or the pastor is there for let me.

Know what I mean, joh Qubbos, whatever his name was, I doubt, I doubt he knew everyone, but he was still their leader. So I tried to look at it from a lot of perspectives, you know what I mean, and make sure people are coming for the right reason, and make sure or the pastor is there for let me.

Ask you a question.

Ask you a question.

Right, So, growing up in Queen's I went to Catholic school. Right, my zone school is the worst, so my parents was making me go to Capital School. I wasn't going to Andrew Jackson, but I noticed in Catholic school as a kid, Catholic school thirty thirty minutes, maybe thirty five, you up out of there. It's I mean, didn't gone, I'm back home. Baptist church is three hours.

Right, So, growing up in Queen's I went to Catholic school. Right, my zone school is the worst, so my parents was making me go to Capital School. I wasn't going to Andrew Jackson, but I noticed in Catholic school as a kid, Catholic school thirty thirty minutes, maybe thirty five, you up out of there. It's I mean, didn't gone, I'm back home. Baptist church is three hours.

You know what I mean. So we don't want to say, but it's the point.

You know what I mean. So we don't want to say, but it's the point.

As a kid, you know, you you feel like I get everything I need in this thirty minutes. I don't need this in three and a half hours. I was always wonder like why is the church so long? Because you know, you got announcements, then you get passed it. You're gonna pass it around twice. Then since then so and so got to talk about.

As a kid, you know, you you feel like I get everything I need in this thirty minutes. I don't need this in three and a half hours. I was always wonder like why is the church so long? Because you know, you got announcements, then you get passed it. You're gonna pass it around twice. Then since then so and so got to talk about.

And if you don't give enough on the first off, we almost.

And if you don't give enough on the first off, we almost.

Almost they double back, you know what I mean. And I think that's part of it why it's so long.

Almost they double back, you know what I mean. And I think that's part of it why it's so long.

Yeah, I think churches have changed since then. I don't think churches is three hours like that anymore. I mean not she I think it's like nothing I've seen she going in. I've seen church structures like ninety minutes, you know what I'm saying. They try to be more mindful of that. And the more you know, current churches and stuff like that, they try to do, they try to cut that down a little bit. But I think the reason is is people just have a lot of expression. Man, they got a lot of They got a lot to say, They got a lot to get out. You understand what I'm saying. I hated the law churches. I grew up Pentecostal. So Pentecostal church. What three hours?

Yeah, I think churches have changed since then. I don't think churches is three hours like that anymore. I mean not she I think it's like nothing I've seen she going in. I've seen church structures like ninety minutes, you know what I'm saying. They try to be more mindful of that. And the more you know, current churches and stuff like that, they try to do, they try to cut that down a little bit. But I think the reason is is people just have a lot of expression. Man, they got a lot of They got a lot to say, They got a lot to get out. You understand what I'm saying. I hated the law churches. I grew up Pentecostal. So Pentecostal church. What three hours?

That's it? We're just getting right, yo. Three When you said three hours, like what, man, we just getting started.

That's it? We're just getting right, yo. Three When you said three hours, like what, man, we just getting started.

We had nothing else to do. We ain't had no social media. Well, Sundays was for God, so we was gonna stay all Sunday. So after the five Hours Center back after the five hour service. You service, come on, you better stay for that second.

We had nothing else to do. We ain't had no social media. Well, Sundays was for God, so we was gonna stay all Sunday. So after the five Hours Center back after the five hour service. You service, come on, you better stay for that second.

We got people coming.

We got people coming.

I hated that, but I'm so glad it was like that for me as a remember young you understand what I'm saying.

I hated that, but I'm so glad it was like that for me as a remember young you understand what I'm saying.

I'm so glad it was like that for me because it just kept me from a whole lot.

I'm so glad it was like that for me because it just kept me from a whole lot.

You like Michael Williams.

You like Michael Williams.

You, Yeah, Chris rock a lot and uh, I don't know who Michael K.

You, Yeah, Chris rock a lot and uh, I don't know who Michael K.

Willim So you got a similar interview.

Willim So you got a similar interview.

Yeah, I never met him, very energetic. I never met him. Maybe we need to hook up or something like that.

Yeah, I never met him, very energetic. I never met him. Maybe we need to hook up or something like that.

Oh yeah, he dad, he done.

Oh yeah, he dad, he done.

Oh I don't know. Okay, I guess I can't. I guess I can. I guess I can't. Don't get today. Don't give me the dog here today. I'm sorry. I didn't know. I don't know.

Oh I don't know. Okay, I guess I can't. I guess I can. I guess I can't. Don't get today. Don't give me the dog here today. I'm sorry. I didn't know. I don't know.

I'm trying to cut him on.

I'm trying to cut him on.

Y'all will connect one day if you believe you can see him again, I have done.

Y'all will connect one day if you believe you can see him again, I have done.

Is the true that you worked on justin Tim Blake's Crime Me River?

Is the true that you worked on justin Tim Blake's Crime Me River?

Yeah, I worked on I was.

Yeah, I worked on I was.

We was in the Root studio again growing up in the Philly Camden, Philly area. We did our first album at the at the Root Studio. Crazy how we got signed to. Vivian Green is like an R and B soul artist and she was doing a showcase for uh Tommy Mottola and Donnie Irono and the matt Sony and she said, Tie, you know, I was like her cousin at the time. We were like, real close, Ty, I want you to m D my show case. I know you asked me this. I'm just taking you know, you know I want you to MD my showcase. I said, all right, bet, I got a little couple of people from the choir, a couple of people from the band. We just put together a little show for viv So, speaking of energy and all that, we in there with Tommy Mattola and and Donnie iron and all these people at Columbia and I'm just young, you know, I'm just playing. I'm I'm like this all the time. If I'm playing, I'm like this, you know what I mean?

We was in the Root studio again growing up in the Philly Camden, Philly area. We did our first album at the at the Root Studio. Crazy how we got signed to. Vivian Green is like an R and B soul artist and she was doing a showcase for uh Tommy Mottola and Donnie Irono and the matt Sony and she said, Tie, you know, I was like her cousin at the time. We were like, real close, Ty, I want you to m D my show case. I know you asked me this. I'm just taking you know, you know I want you to MD my showcase. I said, all right, bet, I got a little couple of people from the choir, a couple of people from the band. We just put together a little show for viv So, speaking of energy and all that, we in there with Tommy Mattola and and Donnie iron and all these people at Columbia and I'm just young, you know, I'm just playing. I'm I'm like this all the time. If I'm playing, I'm like this, you know what I mean?

Everything is energetic.

Everything is energetic.

So they like, we love Vivian Green, we're gonna sign her to Columbia, and we're gonna sign this guy right here. Who's that And it was like, oh no, no, no, no, that's that's a that's a gospel guy. You know, he does choir and stuff like that. We're signing Vivian and we're signing the gospel guy.