SUNDAY SAMPLER - The Nashville Podcast Network (10-6-24)

Published Oct 6, 2024, 6:41 PM

In this weekly series, we share highlight clips from the past week of some of the podcasts on The Nashville Podcast Network-  Take This Personally with Morgan Huelsman, The BobbyCast, 4 Things with Amy Brown, Sore Losers, Movie Mike's Movie Podcast and Get Real with Caroline Hobby.  You can listen to new episodes weekly wherever you get your podcasts. 

You can find them on Instagram:

-The BobbyCast- @BobbyCast

-Take This Personally- @TakeThisPersonally

-4 Things with Amy Brown- @RadioAmy

-Sore Losers- @SoreLosersPodcast

-Movie Mikes Movie Podcast- @MikeDeestro

-Get Real: @GetRealCarolineHobby

Hey guys, Sunday Sampler coming up four Things with Amy Brown, The Sore Losers and Me with Stone Cold Steve Boston. You're here a clip of that we're gonna start with this week. On Take This Personally, Morgan talked with a relationship coach about finding the right person for you and how you know you're ready to date. She also had Morgan number one on to talk about past relationships. Boy does she have some stories. Okay, let's get started with a clip from Take This Personally with Morgan Hulsman.

I'm giggling because this weekend, I'm joined by Morgan and this is our take two, Take two and action. It's back to my life. Experiences and everything that I have been through have allowed me to be who I am today, and who I am today is freaking awesome, and I'm just really tired of people trying to take that away from me. And I've had enough. That's where I'm at. I'm like, I'm pretty chill, and I'm pretty fun and you know, not crazy, Like I just kind of do my thing and float and I just I let one bad egg in once that really just sucked all of that out of me. I mean, I was a shell of myself and I was like, I cannot let this happen again. You go through enough of that, and you know, it's kind of like some of those memes.

You protect your piece a little too.

Hard, and then you're you're laying on the couch watching Pride and Prejudice and cooking chili and you're living your best. But then you're also like, should I be maybe take a stroll and meeting a human? We do, We do need to work on that for you, because you do need to get out there a little bit more. There is a level of this, like yes, it will find you and it's going to happen, but there is a level of still work you.

Have to put in.

Part of me wants to set up Hinge and I'm kind of over the Nashville dating scene, so I want to set up hinge to.

Where the area is.

Okay, hear me out is are you about to jail again? Because but kind of closer to where I'm from. You want to move back home. Look, I don't know that I want to make back count. You moved out at home for a reason, Okay, but damn like life changes, you know, I want to be prior you can still have your country life.

You're in Nashville.

Well, what I'm saying is, maybe I find a nice West Tennessee boy. Can they be like just country in general word? Does it have to be West Tennessee specifically? Well, trying to figure out how narrow the search goes.

It can't be.

It can't be.

Nashville like Alabama. Alabama's close, Okay, I mean I'm tucky. Listen, Maybe I start with one area code at a time, you know, and just see how it goes. But my thought process is to go a little bit on the outskirts of town or like people that you know, Okay, and we can do that figure out if that's more successful. I mean, part of dating is trying things, and at this point you're not trying anything. So I'm gonna I've already told you the country boys you date or match with on the apps that are holding dead animals just pushed them my direction.

I did.

You know What's funny is there was one guy I matched with on a dating app and I knew I wasn't gonna date him because he had all these honey and he had liked me, and I was like, he's good for workan though, and so I'm matchine with him, literally poor guy, with the intent of saying, hey, I have a friend for you, but I'm not gonna work. Oh god, do not remember this? And I text you and you guys texted for a brief moment or for a split second. But I don't think the guy was The hunting was there. There was a few things missing there, but but I did try.

So.

You don't like a fishing photo when they're holding up a dead fish or usually they're alive catch and release. I don't mind the fish ones as much, but it tends to follow with the dead deer and the my guy, sorry, we can't even look at it. I have photos of deer. I know you do, and I love that for you, and I will not show them to you.

Yeah, but you know that you know that.

And this is why.

In an apocalypse, that's what I see that man can't provide. I need a man who's gonna go pick me some berries.

Oh God.

I want a man that can put meat on the table and berries.

Maybe this is why, Oh.

God, I want to end something to be fun, because you're gonna be back on this podcast at some way, but.

For now, I feel like we just are so off the rails.

Yeah, but it's always great, Like we had a lot of great moments there. But I an end on a bad date story because I think our bad dates are funny.

Yeah, and I think they're great to share. So let's end on a funny note.

Okay.

I did once go on a date with a guy we were supposed to. It was our second date. This has been a long time ago now. It was our second date. We were gonna go to a Sounds baseball game and I was gonna meet him at is it Von l Rods at barn or back downtown, but it was going to be a group paying so my roommate at the time, like a lot of her coworkers, were going to the bar too. We were all gonna meet at Von l Rod's as well as this guy that I was going on a second date with. Me and my roommate are going over together. We're a few minutes, not super late, but just a few minutes behind the main group, and I get a text from the guy. He had made it to the bar a few minutes later, maybe fifteen, I don't know.

We show up and he.

Is already hitted off with a girl that's friends like with my roommates, like grouped.

Yeah, and so we're all going.

To be sitting in this same section together and they've already hit it off, like exchange numbers. And when I got there, one of the friends pulled me in the bathroom, which I don't do the drama, like who cares? Like they pulled me in the bathroom? You know, we have to tell you something, girl, Da da da. I'm like, oh, what happened? And they're like they were all but making out at the bar before you walked in, and I was like, oh, oh, okay, well, I feel like I'm interrupting something. And oddly enough, the dude like switched up and was attached to my hip for the rest of the night and then told me he really enjoyed the date and wanted to go out again after that, and I was like, I think I'm good, Like you should definitely reach out to let's call our Heather. Reach out to Heather, like maybe it'll be a better fit.

You know, cause did you say that?

Yeah?

Okay?

Did he respond Yeah?

And they did end up going out, which again, like all is fair in love and war if you're not my person.

But you found your other person at the bar.

It was just it was just it's more shocking.

Than he was like wanting to go out with me again.

I was perplexed. He probably wanted to try, and you know which is feel it out.

With both of us.

Their casual dating isn't bad, but like in that city, but it was an ick at that point, and I was like, I look, no harm enough, oul, but I'm gonna let you just navigate these waters solo.

What do you do now that's fulfilling because for us, like I see on social media holding the chicken and stuff, like I see like you doing little things around here, But like what now is exciting to you?

You know?

Yeah, I do the chores around here. We live on forty acres. We got hoares with chickens and a couple of dogs, the cats. My wife mainly takes care of all that stuff. Competitively, what I found lately is racing, you know, side by sides, you know, utility vehicles. I've been a brand ambassad for Kawasaki Motorsports is twenty fifteen, the Mule division, the Workhorse brand, and then I was filming the show last year that turned into a bomb, but I got a chance to One of the producers asked me, Hey, do you want to do a poker run? And I said, what the fuck is a poker run? Because I don't play cards.

I was about to say the same question, you just yeah, yeah.

So a poker run as it uh, you know, pertains to side by side racing if you're going to run a course and say I just got finish racing this past weekend. Each lap was fifty five miles out in the desert. So on that poker run, basically you're pre running the course that you're going to run the next day and race. So on your GPS you can mark all the dangers, what kind of turns you got, where you might need to check up things, adjustments you need to make while you're driving. Now during that ride where you're marking all your dangers there, you're getting cards as you go. And so at the race drivers meeting the next that later that day and we do hey, who wanted to poker in? Who had the worst hand. It's kind of entertainment. But that's how I found racing side by sides, and I've been doing it for about a year and a half and I've absolutely fallen in love with it, and it's just so different from anything I've ever done because I've been driving, you know, four by four, you know full wheel drive stuff, four wheeler's done when I lived in Georgia and the mud hunting and side by sides, but just recreationally. And when you start racing something and pushing the machine to its limits and pushing yourself to your limits, which you don't know that you have yet because you've never driven at one hundred percent, it takes a while to learn how to do that. So I equated with when I first started wrestling, I sucked, and when I first started driving these things. I won't say I sucked, but I had a lot to learn. And the biggest mistake you making pro wrestling trying to get is trying to do everything too fast and racing the I tell you, And it didn't make sense to me until I ran a few races. Uh. In order to you know to drive fast, you must first learn to drive slow. I mean like when you was born, you started crawling right.

No, I was actually balancing on one foot. I was pretty I came out of the room amazing, I was.

Told, But you don't come out and just start running that's true. Same thing, that's true, same thing with racing, but graduating a little faster.

So I don't understand the side by side. Do you have a partner with you or is it as always the same partner?

Yeah. My co driver is a guy named Shane Kissman. They owned the race team that I raced with when I was filming that show. They got into contact with these people and they ride Kawasaki like I do. And because I won't get any and I won't get into anything else. And so anyway, I did the poker run with those guys and I had so much fun. We were hauling ass out there, and I had so much fun. I said, man, I've got to do some more of this. And somehow, some way out of the blue, Shane called me up and he said, hey, man, do you think you'd really want to start racing side by side? And I said, hell yeah. And so we built a car and I started racing. And that's just by meeting people. And they asked me if I wanted to start racing, and I couldn't believe it took me this long to find. You know, this mort that I found at fifty eight last year, I was the Rookie of the Year in the Federation. So I was a Rookie of the Year when I started my wrestling career in nineteen ninety so I think that's the oldest fucking rookie to ever win that ward. And then you know I'm competing against You know, there's people my age, but there's also people that are half my age. I'm one of my art rivals last year was a fourteen year old girl. She drive her ass off. So you know, when you're born out there and you get that DNA and you the menim kids are fast. So it's fun, it's competitive. It gives me something to do.

Mister stone Cold, when you said co drivers call you.

Mister stone Cold, that felt weird. I'm just gonna say that.

I don't respect that, just wanted didn't want to disrespect.

I think mister Austin would be more human, right, I don't know why, mister what's the weirdest thing? Somebody not to interrupt your question, like, what is the weirdest thing? People would because I would never call you mister stone call it, said mister Austiner.

God thing. Mike Tyson used to always call me Cold Stone, like motherfucker that's an ice cream shop. My name is stone Cold, Steve Auston and out there to raise his money. I go by Steve Austin. You know, I never you know, if people, if someone calls me stone cold, I'll answer to it, mister stone Cold, I'll damn sure answer to Yeah. I've been living my life for a long time as Steve Austin up little food.

Life. Oh it's pretty, but it's pretty beautiful, beautiful that for a.

Little mouth.

Said, he you're kicking with full with Amy Brown.

I know you were thrown into the deep end with a cancer diagnosis, but still that's new behavior for you. So I'm just thinking of people listening right now that are resonating with what you're saying. Maybe they're not reporters, but they are grinding and they're in the moment and they actually don't even have a cancer diagnosis to push them towards this. And selfishly, I want to know too, because I'm practicing living more in the moment. But the way Chase describes you, I got to say your next level, and I'm like, I need to have more fun.

I need to have more fun in my life.

So since I have you dubbed in my mind as like Queen of fun and being present with your people, Like what's a baby step towards cultivating and creating that in our lives so that we aren't just sucked into the hamster wheel.

So what I've tried to do.

And by the way, I just want to say, it took me about two years host the diagnosis to get to a place where I felt safe enough to even think about having a future. I know that sounds ma Cob, but I was in a dark place and scared to death about dying. And then you start realizing, you know, don't die before you die, you have to actually live. And I remember even I'm going to give Shannon Dohorty, the late great Shannon Dohorty, who spoke to me right after her stage four metastatic breast cancer diagnosis. She and I were diagnosed almost about the same time, I think really a year or two apart. Her cancer came back and she directed me to a Charlie Brown Snoopy cartoon where Charlie Brown says to Snoopy, you only live once, Snoopy, and Snoopy says, you got it wrong. We only die once. We live every day and it was just through some of these, I think other people's stories that actually got me to wake up and realize, wait a minut in it, You're still here, so what are you doing with your life right now?

And for the baby step.

Every time a negative thought pops in my head, which is often, I'm annoyed by someone in front of me, I'm annoyed by a slow walker on the streets of New York City, I'm annoyed that I'm stuck in traffic, whatever it is. And I started thinking like, wait a minute, I'm alive, I'm greathing, I'm here.

How can I enjoy this moment?

And I really looked to greater teachers than me, people like Michael Singer or Eckhart Tole.

I try to remind myself of this.

There are three states of being if you want to actually have a good life. The lowest stage should be acceptance. So whatever's happening, you get a flat tire, someone.

Upsets you, accept it. That should be your lowest state.

The second state should be enjoyment, right, just figure out how a way to enjoy it, laugh at something, find something funny.

In the mess.

And the third and highest in the state of being that I always strive for is absolute enthusiasm. So how can you take that enjoyment and actually have something to look forward to? So I always try to enjoy where I am, but have something to look forward to and find some humor in the mess. But I have to remind myself of this constantly, but I really try to make it a priority.

Yeah, it sounds like it's been a journey for you, and probably back in twenty thirteen you didn't You didn't have these three tools, you didn't have at gartolet or maybe you had already read maybe The Power of Now at that.

Point, but nope, I had done it.

No soul here, and that's one you can either read or listen to multiple times and still try to continue to comprehend. It's good stuff, for sure. But if you go back to twenty and thirteen and you know where you were in your career and like thinking stuff like this is not going to happen to me. I mean you were at a different stage in your career for sure, but I would imagine doing a live mammogram you thought, oh, this is just going to be good for awareness and nothing's going to come back. So what was it like for you getting that phone call and the and what did you think of your role as a public figure having to navigate this, Like did you know right away, well, here we are and I'm going to share it all. Or did you feel like, uh, this is something I don't know that I can share with the world.

Well, obviously it's incredibly personal when it's happening. And I will back up a little bit with where I was in my career. I think it's funny from the outside looking in, you think, oh, look where she was Good Morning America. But I had just left NBC News and it wasn't something that I wanted to do necessarily. I found myself in a new network, very scared, needing to prove myself, feeling like I took a step backwards instead of a step forwards, and really questioning my career and where I was and all of those things. So I was in that place when I was asked to do this live mammogram in the middle of Times Square, and I had no actual personal intention of going to get a mammogram at forty So I had always prided myself on authenticity as a reporter, and so we actually went into Robin Roberts, who is a breast cancer survivor and Thriver, and I said, hey, look, they want me to do this mammogram and this Mamma Van and I just don't think I'm the right person. I have no family history. My mom's one of nine, my dad's one of six Midwestern Catholic families. No one has breast cancer. I can't even count how many female cousins I have. No one has breast cancer. I just feel like I'm not the right person for this. And she looked at me and said, you're the perfect person for this because you think cancer can't happen to you. And what I'm saying is, I'm sure you're fine, but you're going to convince one other woman who doesn't think she needs to have a mammogram to go and make her appointment, and she's going to find her cancer early, and you're going to save her life.

And so that is what convinced me.

I did it thinking I was being of service, thinking I was being altruistic, and I didn't realize obviously that the first life I saved was my own.

And I had.

Sat there in that room and telling Robin I had no connection to the disease, all the while I had two malignant tumors. Canser had already spread to my lymph notes, and I felt perfectly healthy and fine. But once I made the decision to go into the Mamma Van and the mammogram, when I found my cancer a few weeks later, when it was diagnosed, I went into hiding for a few days, and I talked to Robin, and I talked to my really good friend Hotocopy, who was also a breast cancer survivor over at the Today Show, and she and I had shared a dressing room for a full year together right after she had gone through it. And I talked to them about it, and I just felt like it wasn't even a choice for me at that point. If my intention going into that Mamma Van was to get women to get their mammograms, I knew the power of me saying, hey, guess what, that Mamma Van. That imaging just led to my breast cancer diagnosis, and now I have the unbelievable gift of knowing I have it and being able to treat it because it's still early stage. And yes I had to go through chemo, and yes I had to go through several surgeries and yes, I had almost a decade of medicine and meds that don't make you feel great. Guess what, I'm here and I'm alive, and I'm alive because of that. And so it was a non starter for me not to make it public because I knew it would save lives.

We're gonna do it live we Oh, the one, two, three Sore Losers?

What up, everybody? I am lunchbox. I know the most about sports, so I'll give you the sports facts, my sports opinions, because I'm pretty much a sports genius, y'all. It's Sison. I'm from the North. I'm an alpha male.

I live on the North side of Nashville with Bayser, my wife. We do have a farm. It's beautiful, a lot of acreage, no animals, a lot of crops. Hopefully soon corn pumpkins, rye. I believe maybe a little fescue to be determined.

Over to you, coach, And here's a clip from this week's episode of The Sore Losers. Oh, there is no hours posted, so you just kind of make it up. So it seems like the whole airport just shuts down at seven pm, which is crazy to me, Like if I flew into New York if I whatever, what's a big Laguardian lug Wardia? Is that closing at seven o'clock? Or do they have stuff open all night? Atlanta that's one of the bigger airports. Hi there, I'm headed to Lower Manhattan. Can you tell me that all the restaurants just close up at seven pm? Oh my god? How much money are you missing out on?

What you're not realizing is every business does that unless mom and pop are working there, or the manager's on staff, or it's a bustling restaurant that basically has to stay open if not later than their hours posted.

Think about this.

The telephone telecommunications industry when I used to it, right, when I used to work in groundy communications, I sold telephone, computer and internet, telephone, internet and cable TV. Dude, when it was eight forty five, all you gotta do tap the old uh hang up button. Then it looks like you're busy. You just do it a little bit. Nobody really called after eight thirty, So once you started creepingto eight fifty eight fifty five, you would get busted if you just held it because it shows it, that shows records of it. But it doesn't show records if you just tap it, so there's no there. Our managers would check out seven forty five. They want to go be with their family, So eight hits you kind of gotta still be studious.

Eight thirty start thinking about it.

Eight forty so if somebody had called and you tap it, it busys it, so then it gives it to somebody else in the call center. But when everybody's doing that, the callers could be like, oh my, like why are your foe? They could have complained and been like, why are your phone's busy? But you start getting closer to nine, and everybody's just kind of doing it, pushing the phone around the phone's lines. Do you get away with it? Because then you're like, then the caller's like a fit, you know what. They're all busiest near nine. It makes sense if we'd have done that at six, our manager would have found out and there would have been audits and records of us making phone lines busy.

At six. Eight fifty five, the caller just kind of gets it. Everybody's heading home. I guess I should have understood that because when I flew out of Nashville, my flight left at six pm, right and I was leaving my house and it usually takes about twenty minutes to get to the airport. Well, don't give your exact address, and so my wife was like, you better get going. I'm like, no, it only takes twenty minutes. So I was like, I'll leave at four thirties. Since the flight leaves at six, I'll get there at five. I'll have an hour, I'll grab something neat cool. I get the car at four thirty and I type it let me see what they're saying, forty five minutes to the airport the worst. And I'm like, oh my god, okay, cool, cool. So I'm taking all these back roads, like it's taking me on back roads. I'm not even on the highway. And I called my dad and I'm like, hey, man, just letting you making sure you're gonna pick me up. He's like, you're already at the airport. I was like no. It says I'm gonna arrive at five twenty and my flight leaves at six. He's like, oh my god, thank goodness, Rai's not with you. Kid.

Cut through Terrytown. You're gonna want to go on one of those little shortcuts to Mopak that'll take you all the way home to the birds. You are now free to fly without the country.

And so I'm pulling into the airport, and yes, I'd be fucking freaking out. He was like, And I'm sitting there on the highway. Find that get on the highway where it tells me to. And I'm like, man, this traffic is bad. Now. It says I'm gonna get there at five twenty two. It says boarding is it five twenty And I'm like, oh my gosh. So I am sitting there and I pull into the parking lot. He's about to pull in. I pull up to the Nashville Airport at five twenty three pm. Wait, I thought we were stilling on.

No.

No, I should have known that the Austin Airport closes at seven because of this.

Oh, I had trouble with your story. I know, okay, kid, So I disregard Terrytown. You're actually gonna go kid on sixty five twenty four cutover to Knoxville and they're up there.

So I may have kid those directions in Nashville. Kid, I know my directions everywhere, so he's finding the major arteries. I parked the car in the lot. No shuttle at what time? Five point twenty three? Noted because I wasn't about to park, and the cover parking because it was forty five dollars a day. I was like, I ain't paying that. There's no way that ain't that much. But okay, I looked it up on my phone. It's thirty three.

No, yeah, well could I park there for five days before?

And anyway? So I'm just sitting there waiting for the shuttle. Shut shuttle rolls up at five twenty seven and I'm like, all right, we gotta go, we gotta go. He's like, what airline? I said, just get me to the I don't care what airline. I just first stop, I'm jumping off, like I don't care Frontier because I'm not checking a bag, So I don't care what airline I get off. I just need to get in the doors and get their security. Oh here you are. You're all set at Qatar air, but not that one. Go a couple more days. Yeah, yeah, we're not doing that, airline sorr. Yeah, yeah, we're not going to caught arm Yeah you're all down, free to fly to Dubai what I was kidding and go farther and so I'm on the shuttle and we pull up to one shuttle stop. No one's there. Cool. Next one, there is a guy walking from half a row down like just I mean, just taking his damn time.

Either you're out that door waving him in, or you're telling the driver slipping him a one and say keep going.

Pop. The bus driver opens the door and the guy just acts like we're not waiting on him. He just kind of oh, no, looking up at the clouds cause it's looking like it's about to rain. And I'm like, would you get on this bus already?

Dude, that's like a rapid type situation. Usually you're not gonna see somebody walking towards it.

I mean, he didn't even oh, you're waiting for me? Like here, I'll kind of hustle up.

No.

Then he opens his backpack before he gets on to make sure he still has his keys. You're all good man. I'm like, all right, get on the bus. You need a phone charger. I got you, So we get it. He gets on the bus and we're driving. I'm like, hey, yeah, we're headed for the exit. There's no one up. Someone walks up to the next stop, so we got to stop and the guy gets on and he knows the guy that takes forever and he's like, oh man, I thought we had another hour. He goes, No, he goes, I mean we still got an hour and twenty to our flight. Flight leaves, we'll have time to get something to eat. And I'm like, I have twenty one minutes until my flight leaves. No, thirty one minutes because it's five twenty nine at this point, Oh timeline, what was I thinking? My flight leaves at six, And I'm like, oh my god. So we pull up to the airport and the guy is like, not stop it, and I'm like, I just stand up, and he goes, you want off here. I'm like, yeah, that's good. You jumped wall the busy believe he wasn't even no, he wasn't even go to the curb. He was in the second lane. He was in the second lane and I got out, so he was not even at the curb when I got off the damn bus. And I went in and I get to the freaking checkpoint. It is now when I get through security, it is five forty one, and I'm like okay, and I'm like and it says boarding was at five twenty. So I'm like, they're fully boarded, and I'm all the way at the very back of the damn airport. Never gonna be at the front, can never be the first game.

It's the newly designed airport. Now it's spider webs and it's compremental to Atlantas.

I was thinking, I'm gonna get dinner when I get to the National Airport, get on the plane, will be good, I'll won't be hungry, and I am sprinting through the airport to my flight.

Always wanted to do it, but you get the chance to actually do it.

I've done it numerous times because I like to really. Oh man, I'm I like to push it with the airport because I don't like to be sitting at an airport for two hours. Dude.

Even Baser she thought we were gonna have to run at the Atlanta Airport from kan Kun because we had a connector in forty five minutes.

It was right next door. We walked two gates down.

I wanted to I was prepared to run, and I still didn't get the opportunity.

And I run, run, run. I'm like, man, I gotta fill up my water. I'm dying I'm so thirsty. I'm sweating.

Yeah, how's it going, brother, I wasn't out there doing an air traffic controller. Man, get in there, fill.

Up your water bottle. So I'm there at the little the water fountain filling up my water bottle. And it tells me by filling up my water bottle, I was number We've saved three hundred and sixty five twenty six plastic bottles from going to the landfill. And I get it about a quarter of the way up and over the announcement, they say, if you're on a flight number one one sixty two heading to Austin, we have fully bullet boarded the aircraft. If you are holding a ticket, this is your last call to arrive at the gate. And I'm like, all right, here we go, and I say, screw filling up the rounds of the water bone. I sprint to the plane. Heave the turtles on your own, and I'm the last one on that damplane. Makes sense.

Hey, it's Mike d And This week on Movie Mike's Movie Podcast, I sat down with director Carrie Belessa and his wife and producer Summer Blessa to talk about their new movie Amberlert why it took ten years to make, how they manage marriage in the industry, and how they turned a parent's worst nightmare into a story that they hope starts a conversation.

So I want to share a little bit of this with you.

Now, be sure to check out this full interview on Movie Mike's movie podcast. But let's get to the interview now.

I feel like a lot of being a filmmaker, being an artists is observing the world around you. I feel like that's really the thing that defines like somebody who's actually going to follow through with it is you observe it also write it down and then execute it. Like you've been talking about the filmmaking process, just like the inspiration of this movie it came from seeing the Ambulla and thinking, WHOA that should be a movie. Are you constantly observing things and writing things down? Because the other day, like I was on a flight and I sat down on the exit rode and they're like, hey, if you know something to do, that whole thing off something goes wrong, like are you willing to help? And I just you know, willing to say ah yeah, thinking in that moment of like what if I actually had something actually went down and I was put in that situation of I actually have to do something now, and I was like, hey, that could be something. Are you constantly observing things like that?

I made it.

I definitely Yeah, truth there's a lot more interesting than fiction. Just reading the news. I mean I have a whole little book plet of news art Culsetter just freezing for me personally. I like saying that you possible, we happen and then are real.

How about you?

Oh, I mean I feel like I kind of going more in the fantasy or the romance from Calm World burns less.

I mean, it's still human nature.

It's still based on you know, relationships, but maybe the less less news.

Driven or reality or probably like observing it seeing things and like oh that might have to be all film, But like what you're talking about is like it's like some type of little scene there or set up.

You know, you just got to write it.

Yeah, gotta deal with the next step.

As a filmmaker. What would be my next step on that idea? Is it writing a title, writing a synopsis? What is that when you sit down to like you just had this idea, what is that next step to flesh out a script.

You just need to put in the paper like everything. I mean that that's the hardest thing, is just getting and even if you don't have the entire film down, or you just might have a scene, write the scene, you know, if you have a first act, right, the first act, I just think and it's still difficult to like sit down, you know, a blank piece of paper. It can be so overwhelming and so but it's it's just putn't in the work.

Yeah, no one will make a film of just an idea.

So you need to have eventually it plushed out into a full script and then you can share it and have people give you insight and hopefully up people who are like, yeah, I see the vision too, let's go think it.

That leaves me to my final two questions. We're sitting here the night before the premiere here in Nashville. Are you feeling the overwhelming joy of it finally being out after ten years or are you feeling nervous about people are going to react to it this week? Because I know, as somebody who deals with reading the comments, reading getting all the messages, I don't see the ones they say, hey, and that was a great episode you did. That was a great interview. I see the ones they say this sucks, like why did you put this hell? Like you used to feel terrible.

The positive things and some ding Dong says you suck, Yeah, and you just focus.

We feal it so hard. Yeah, it's definitely human nature.

I mean, I think now, being the old wise man that I am, that I don't read comments. I read comments and before I remember specifically a long time ago, and like the comments made me feel like I was like the grade I was Spielberg.

You know, some of these people are like this so bazy.

I don't ever read comments.

You take it with the great to take with a grain of salt, Like.

I love what we do, and I love this path that we've chosen his career, but I just love so many other things in life that bring me joy that no one's going to take us down over some comments that you're not doing.

You know.

Yeah, you're not going to make everybody happy with every film.

Yeah, you know, there's films that we love that changed our lives that some people don't like. At the end of the day, that's we just want to make something that's entertaining, to make it people thinking and talking.

And we're like risk takers and gamblers. I'd rather you absolutely hate my film and talk about it and be so passionate about your disdain instead of just making something that they're like, uh, it's okay, Like it was like forgettable. But yeah, we're we're excited to just get it out there and hear what people think and their response. And we're very confident in the film too. We think it's a great film. The feedback's been really good, and I.

Think people are really going to enjoy seeing Hayden and Tyler and the.

Aah yeah it's Tyler, Like I've really never seen it, Like I've been watching one avid Elementary and it's like, oh, this is a totally different side of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's a killer, Like he is just so locked in. It's so good, so insightful. At Hayden too, like they were just like we're the perfect people at the right time to have this, you know.

Yeah, they both brought such humanity to the roles and personality and it was really really fun to work with them and see what, you know, their perspectives on their characters and they s brought so much.

And my final question is why Louisville Kentucky. I'll give you why I think you picked it. After watching the movie, I feel like that city which I've been to, I love Louisville. It makes it feel so much more real, Like you could happen to anybody if you said this movie in LA, it would feel like, oh, it's just another movie in LA where crazy things happen all the time, or in New York. But for me, like just seeing them, like at the beginning, they just had a random park and that's where it happens. Is that the reason why it's in Louisville or is it just I just want to say Louisville, Kentucky is awesome, great people.

Our crew was like we missed those those people they were so awesome and just like genuine down the earth and they kind of knew our story like that we've been hustling for ten years, that we were gonna make it, that we were no one's gonna let us, and they just like got behind us like family and really helped us make an amazing film.

As the producer, I will say was because of there was a few different places that have great test incentives that we were debating over, and I think exactly what you said, though, is you know, one of the strengths of the Snow is that it could be anywhere except maybe La but in general, like this happens all over the country.

And it was originally written in Phoenix, Arizona because the Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the country.

Yeah, we wanted to make sure it didn't feel like.

It could be anybody.

Yes, so we just kind of tweaked it a little and it was couldn't. I couldn't imagine anywhere else now, And I love that the lushness, the beautiful degree, Like I mean, I do want to fight a lot with the rain. Then we had to day. We didn't shoot for a whole morning because of rain that you know, it was. It was some challenges, but it worked out, worked out.

Cary Line, she's a queen and talking and so she's getting really not afraid to feel its episode or soul.

Just let it blow.

No one can do we quiet.

Cary Line is sober care Line.

Because I did not think I was codependent, because I was so capable exactly. Yeah, And I've done so many big things and I'm not scared to take risks.

You know, right, But you like everyone else didn't understand the vast expansion that is codependency and the particular flavor of your codependency. It was the same as my codependency, which is why I named a new kind of codependency, calling it high functioning, because you were like all of my therapy clients who anytime I would bring up that's a codependent pattern, they'd be like, no, it's not, lady, I'm not codependent. Everyone's dependent on me. I'm the one making all the dough. I'm the one who's the rock in my family. I'm the one managing all the peeople. What are you talking about? And it made me realize, Wow, my highly capable clients do not know what godependency is.

What is it?

I won't tell you. According to Terry.

Cole, which is a good one to accord to, that's.

Ru I'm saying is when you are overly invested in the feeling states, the outcomes, situations, circumstances, relationships of the people in your life to the detriment of your own internal peace.

That's a big one.

Okay, So like those are some big words just through out there, but like really, when you break it down, like if you're feeling sick in your stomach because you're so worried about everyone in your life that their outcomes aren't going.

To be what you need them to be.

And that's what you said, The outcomes need to be the way I need them to be so I can relax. Like, I can't have them messing up how I need it to go, or having them have construction or have them not being happy or have them being.

Mad at me, because then I'm not going to be able to have peace.

So I have to go control them to make sure that I give them everything I can with my people, pleasing personality, read their energy, like feel the room, make sure they get what they need so they can be happy, and then I can be like, Okay, I can relax.

So you see how that's a short term strategy.

I lived in that way for like my whole life.

Right, But you understand you can't keep going, which is why you were searching around the.

World having to pray down.

Yeah, because literally there's only so much bandwidth that we can bleed in that way, especially once you become a mother, especially because once you hit perimenopause or menopause, like you just get so over all of this bandwidth bleeding, and what I see in my therapy practice is that it makes us resentful because we're doing it. We are proactively inserting ourselves. Right, So what are let's talk about the behaviors because I feel like let's get really clear for people who are watching and listening to be able to see themselves. If you are a high functioning codependent, I mean, let's just be specific about the differences. Right, The more capable you are, the less codependency, because like codependency, sneak heer you are, but it's still codependency.

You're extra sneaky and acting not codependent.

That's right, You're really good at it. But actually people perceive you as not codependent because you're.

So capable, probably like running some company, you.

Are, and nobody is checking in on you either, because we're the ones who are checking in on all the other people, right. Right, So with codependency, people think my clients were like, I'm not enabling an alcoholic. What are you talking about? As if that is the only way codependency can be expressed, Like.

Ause, if you let someone carry on a toxic behavior that you're very aware of, like drinking or drinks.

I mean, when you think about codependency. This is how codependency, melody baity, codependent no More, got to be involved with an addict. This is what a lot of my the myths that my clients thought were true about codependency. So they didn't see themselves in the problem. So for me, I needed to create it so they could see themselves, because how could we get to a solution if they didn't even see themselves in the problem. And you know, Caroline, it was also my own personal experiences, so this wasn't just me sort of changing this definition. It's me expanding the definition because it was the flavor of my own young life codependency where you're not just codependent with the people in your life, you could be codependent. I mean I opened the book with a story of me being on a platform in Long Island, a train platform at ten thirty at night on a Tuesday, and I see this kid he's probably about nineteen and I'm probably about twenty two, and he's holding a little blanket and I'm like, hmm, my helper radar is already pinging, like where's this young kid going? At ten thirty at night? And I was going back to my apartment. I was coming from therapy, and so I started chatting him up on the train and I was like, ohere are you going? He says, Oh, my name is Billy blah blah blah. He's like, I was hired to drive a car from Long Island to Indiana and then they just canceled the gig. So I go, so where are you going? It's like I'm going to I'm going to, you know, Penn Station. I go, where are you going to sleep? He's like Pound Station. I was like, no, you're not doing Have you ever been to Penn State team on? There's the late eighties? The city was rough still. I was like, have you ever been to Pend Station? Dude, you can't sleep there. He's like, well, I don't know anybody in New York. I'm like, yeah, you do? You know me?

You let him up stay with you?

Yes? I did. I took a perfect stranger that I knew for exactly one hour, brought him to my apartment with my female roommate, and it was a studio.

You did it all? How did it pan out?

Oh?

Fine? Of course? I mean he left without incident the next day. And the point is, you guys, watching and listening to you you may not have done that extreme, but we all have Billy's stories, which is where we feel overly responsible for people we don't even ef and know why is that because it's an illusion of control. Right, here's the illusion. I couldn't stand the idea that this boy, in my mind, which is ironic because I was probably three years older than him, was going to be in what I considered a dangerous or precarious situation. And we are the helpers, the healers, we're the ones. We're the ones. We can't let it slip through the crack, even someone we don't know. And here's the thing. I didn't stop and think and go, hmmm, does that make sense? Is this even my shit to solve? Like is this even my problem? It was a knee jerk reaction. So the thing with high function codependency in these And I'm going to go through the behaviors so people can get into it and understand if it's them we're talking about. These are things we're sort of doing compulsively, like I'm not thinking. I wasn't thinking before through not at all, and it never entered my mind. It wasn't the right thing to do though, I mean till way later, even when I came home.

Reached yourself out way later, way later.

Well, of course once I started, once I had kids, I was like, that was insane. Why would you do that? So the behaviors we want to look out for auto advice giving.

Okay, I'm not kind of explain that a little bit. So always got the right answer always here. Because another thing, and I'm not trying to diverge, just want to make sure I say this is when you are a high functioning codependent, you are so afraid of that other person's cookie crumbling and their life falling apart. But what you don't know is like that is so self righteous of you to think that you know it's best for them, and that them falling apart isn't exactly what they needed. So they could hit that level and actually gain the lessons they need and go on the journey they need that they wouldn't have done if.

They hadn't hit that level. I think about that all the time.

Yes, but it takes so long to get to that because here's the thing.

So then you have to let people be.

That's the thing. We have to let the chips fall where they may when they're not your mother, f and chips. But that's the hard that's the hard part. So the auto advice giving this can look like two things. It can look like someone coming to you and just saying, oh, hey, I decided I'm going to go here for vacation. You being like, oh, make sure you stop there as well. This place was amazing. You're going to love that. I know people, I actually have a great real estate, but like I have a great travel agent for you. I where we just can't stop. That's someone who hasn't even asked us for our input. They literally just said I'm going on vacation. We were like planning their right itinerary. So there's that and many of the people who come to you because you are a healer and a helper and a fixer.

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