Witchcraft - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 1/31/24

Published Feb 1, 2024, 10:44 AM

George Noory and psychic medium Patti Negri discuss her lifelong experiences using witchcraft, how movies like the Wizard of Oz have given people the wrong impression about witches, and the benefits of using witchcraft in everyday life.

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Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you. Patty Negri is called the Good Witch and a psychic medium, best known for her recurring role on the Travel Channel and Discovery Channels Number one shows Ghost Adventures. Patty's interest in ghosts and the pureanormal take her to haunted places around the world. She hosts a podcast called Psychic Scott Wild Patty, Welcome back, have you been?

I have been great to Urge. Thanks for having me back.

It's great looking forward to this. How did you get involved in witchcraft?

I actually think I was born that way. When I was a little kid in my suburban Long Beach home, I would be in my backyard picking rosemary, picking mint, stuffing it in my mom's wallet, knowing she needed more money and knowing that would give it to her. It's weird because she didn't realize that. She's like, what are you doing. You're putting dirt in my person. No, this is money. Years later, I study herbs and things. It's like I was doing all the right stuff.

Did anybody in your family practice witchcraft besides you?

No, no, not at all, No and none, but none of it got caught out of me, even like the psychic medium stuff. I would say, like their spirits talking to me, and my mom would go, yeah, Grandma did that too, So I guess somebody did.

I knew a witch back in Detroit during my early days in broadcasting. Her name was Gondela, and she was a nice witch. Fiona Horne, nice witch, You're a nice witch. They're all my there. I haven't met a witch I don't like.

No. I we're very nice because we take responsibility for ourselves and for our lives. You know, we're very cause and effect, action reaction, kind of karmic people. And Fiona is one of my dear friends. She is a doll.

Was it the Wizard of Oz that kind of gave people the wrong impression of certain witches or.

The right impression. The reason I go by pretty, the reason I go by good Witch is because I was just in love with Glinda as a little kid. I literally have that big pink, goofy dress that Glinda the Good Witch wears. I have a version of it. I'm still working on trying to show up in a big bubble though.

I'll always remember that scene where the house fell on the witch, the wicked witch and her toes curled up. Yes, it was so bizarre and spooky.

And that's why it's Hollywood that made witches green. Witches were never green. I think it's whatever studio was MGM or I don't know. This said, Okay, bad people have to be green because they were inventing like Frankenstein and stuff like that. And you know color was new, so so Hollywood invented witches being bad, witches being green.

It also gave them warts on their noses.

Exactly.

Interesting. Do people confuse witchcraft with Satanism all.

The time, And it's so funny because they have nothing to do with each other. It's funny though most of the Satanists I don't don't even really believe in satan. It's more of a philosophy than I believe. There's some guy's little devil horns. But satan As in the way we think about it, isn't even in my cosmology. In witchcraft or pagan cosmology.

Tell us the benefits of witchcraft.

The benefits are we believe we can take fate into our own hands. It's not like water runs down hill and life in its normal path will just kind of run down hill. To me, Witchcraft means I'm going to build a dam. I'm gonna build a little dam and take some of the water back now to me. Okay, here's a good example.

Say say that.

Say you have a house on a mountain and the villagers live at the bout of the mountain, and the water runs down to the villagers and they thrive because they get all the water. You have a house on the mountain, though, but you need some of that water. You build that dam. Now a good witch, I will take the and I will get all the water that I need and water features and everything. But I make sure the villagers get all the water they need and they have all the water they want. That's good magic. I think bad magic would be I take all the water, because that's going to have karmic offenses. Either, you know, the villagers will all die and that would be horrible, or they come back and kill me. So witchcraft means, okay, I don't like this path of my life. I'm going to do something about it. I believe you have to do it ethically. I believe you have to do it in integrity. I do believe cause and effect. Or in witchcraft they call it by what you do y three. What you put out you get back three times, not even karma. So why would I put out hexes and curses? Why not put out love and abundance because that's what you get back.

Well, I was going to ask you too, what exactly is witchcraft? Well?

Which craft is? Basically is kind of the craft of I will mold and take fate and change it as needed. To be a witch can mean two different things. To be a witch can mean it's my belief system, it's my religion. I have a goddess or a multi god based religion. I go, I follow the Sabbaths. You know, I work with nature, So which can mean religion or which can mean I practice the craft of which means you know. You could use lots of different words for it.

But it's like, I don't like.

How that is, so I'm going to change it passively.

Do you cast spells on people?

I cast spells, not on people. I will cast spells for people, I won't. I won't cast Like, say, if somebody comes up to me and they want to love spell, I'm really good at that. I can find you the love of your life. If somebody to me, that's great magic. I help do things I would not if somebody say I want to love spell on George, I would not do that because we don't have George's permission. And again that's doing something against against somebody's will. You know, if it's supposed to be George, then George will come to them. But that to me is a different of ethical and not in working the craft.

What about a curse, Patty, Do you ever do that?

I do not do that because again I believe that you you have to live in the world you create, not even the karma. If I live in a world of curses and hexes and I'm sending that person bad juju. Everybody I know who does that, all of a sudden, they're angrier than they used to be. They start getting paranoid, and they have to live in that world they create. If you just again, I just I guess I'm the love which just send them out love wish you're what enemies, Well, if then they're not going to bother you. I mean, I will do defensive magic, and I had I've had to do defensive magic, but you know.

I don't.

I have never found a need to curse anybody or do anything.

Well, you're not a bad person.

I'm not a bad person. Uh. There are bad witches and there are bad people. I mean, I don't know they say them, bad people who make different choices. I'm not even judgmental of it. I honestly have really deare friends who work in the dark arts, and that's their prerogative, but it's just not my path.

Now you have an esoteric mystery school, tell me I.

Do, yeah, because because I've always been a seeker. I was, you know, seeing spirits, but I wasn't raised with any kind of religion. My grandfather was this very famous psychoanalyst, philosopher, practically evangelical, atheist, humanist, so God was a dirty word. But I would drive by a church or a temple, or a mosque or a synagogue or a park and see this energy and I wanted to know about it. But so I was thirteen and I asked, can I go look at all this stuff? And I became a seeker. I'd go to temple and church and the Buddhist temple and everywhere else and saw the through line of this energy that I saw naturally. So I've throw it at all in one pot, and I take from everybody's belief system. So when I started my school, I didn't want to say this is a truth. I didn't want to even be a cult. This is this is a truth, this is my truth. I now have about twenty different teachers, all different paths. Our newest one is a Catholic priest, exorcist. My partner is you've worked with him father or had him on Father Sebastian.

He's a vampire.

I have a airwolf teacher who's actually a professor Washington University. He's not awarewolf like, he puts on Furst suits, but he's awarewolf like. He embraces the animal side of life. I have new agers and reiky people and astrologers and crystal people, and people go learn and see what works for you.

Your subject matter runs the gamut from everything too.

Yeah, I've been teaching a mediumship course and these people are amazing, amazing people. If they don't even think, oh, I can't speak to the other side. By the end of just a little bit of practice and opening up that right side of your brain and shutting down your silly logical brain that stops you down, you can I think it's born in all of us. It just gets it just gets taught out of us. In our western non mystical all the focus on the logic left brain, we've lost a lot.

Tell us about the students. What type of students come to this kind of school?

They are the gamut of ages I have, from people who come with their teenage kids to people in their eighties and nineties. They're all over the world. Every day when I come online, I get to say good morning, good afternoon, good evening, because somebody will be West coast, somebody east coast, somebody will be in Dubai, and somebody will be in Australia where it's tomorrow. But they are a mix from artist types to bank presidents to people who are just going wow, something more. I want something more. I don't know what it is, or maybe I do know what it is and I want to develop it.

What are they looking for? I think what I think?

I think everybody is looking for a way to navigate life. Times are scary. We know that. I mean, times have always been scary, but it's more in our face now, in our twenty four to seven world. And when times are scary, people traditionally would kind of go back to your beliefs.

It to go back to.

Religion, go back to church, go back to temple. That's not keeping up for everybody. It's not their science, or it's not I don't want to go back to church. So that's why I think the increase in more alternative religions. New Age paganism is huge. Witchcraft is the fastest growing religion in America right now. Right well, Wicca is a form of witchcraft. Wicca is goddess based spirituality, got big in the forties and fifties. But Wika it's a one sect. You could be a traditional witch, you could be a chaos which, you could be a fleeming witch. There's many, many different kind of like Presbyterian versus Baptists versus Episcopal.

But it truly is remarkable.

Yeah, but I really think that. But some people don't want to go to church, so the New Age and some people don't want they don't want spirituality or at all, or they don't religion at all, so they become paranormal investigators.

Patty, had you been living in the late sixteen hundreds, you would have been burned at the stake.

I know, I probably was.

Why were these people so puritanical?

I don't know. I think I think humanity goes like a big pendulum, back and forth and back and forth in little swings and big swings, and there must have been a big wild time in front of it. Then they've pulled themselves back, and then the church took over and made a big mess of things.

They executed nineteen people here during that.

Period, yeah, and more in Europe.

Yes, they accused two hundred, executed nineteen. But still that's crazy.

And most of them weren't even witches anyway.

What got them to stop? Finally, I.

Don't know.

Somebody shook somebody in the head and said, come to your censes. I'm really not sure. I think everybody got caught up into it. It's a frenzy. And again I think it's a weird human trait that we do. Just like again, now, witchcraft got big. Spiritualism got big in the eighteen hundreds. Oh, people are talking to coach medium and that's all good. And it became a beautiful religion. And then things got weird, and then the witchcraft got big in the forties and fifties, said, and then the Satanic panic came in and then it's all evil again. I don't know, humans are silly.

Of the courses you teach at your university, what are some of the favorites.

I personally like teaching mediumship development, psychic development, spell casting. The paranormal ones are really popular too, like paranormal investigator classes. Any All the self help ones are whether we're working with spirit guides or reiki healing, or people want to know their animal familiars. Some are many, many are just one offs that learn about vikings. You know of what is viking lord, learn ruins, learn tarot cards.

You talk about werewolves vampires too, don't you?

You bet you yep. Danny Sargent is our werewolf teacher, and again he's a college professor up at Washington State and teaches beautiful werewolf magic. Again not putting on a first suit, just kind of howling at the moon on occasion. It does wonders for you.

Aren't there people who actually practice vampirism?

Well, yes, well there's many kinds of vampirism. If you're sanguinarian, that's somebody who actually drinks blood.

The people like.

Father Sebastian and I'm under him. I would call myself also a saber to vampire. We don't drink blood. We drink him the energy of life, like when you're at a concert and the music is so good and the people are cheering. It's that kind of feeding. It's it's actually the same as witchcraft, but you just here's the difference. In my witchcraft world, our cloaks are either organic cotton or Stevie Nick's lace. In the vampire world, the cloaks are like black velvet with red satin lining. But it's it's it's beautiful spirituality. It's nature based spirituality. That's what Sebastians is. Yes, he has his parties. He has beautiful balls all over the world. I've been to most of them, all over the world.

Pretty exotic.

It's very exotic and beautiful and again embracing life. A little hedonistic, yes, but beautiful and pure and elegant, and everything is gentlemanly and ladylike behavior and top hats. When I when I first met him on Ghost Adventures, we just kind of hit it off really well, and he offered to sing me, and I'm like, well, you're cute now, but I'm married and I don't like vampires. My idea of vampires and me a long practicing, which was, no, I don't like psychic vampires. I've led you take things from people. But I started reading his books, I go, that's not what you guys are at all. You're just like us, only dress it up differently.

What about a vampire who sucks blood from the sick person with bad blood? What happens to them?

Well, that's why again, I don't know any vampires that suck blood. Everybody I know is not a sanguinariant. I think it's very bad. And I do know of some who do. I don't have and I think now modern day, but people who drink blood, you use an IV, you send it to the doctor. I mean, it's it's like become sterile and everything else. It's not like let me bite into your neck. It's I think you have consenting donors and you have to make sure they are healthy and that you are healthy. And I think all the romance is out of it.

I'm going to bite you.

I'm going to bite you.

Yeah, But are you a witch? Twenty four to seven?

I have a witch twenty four to seven? I mean I walk my talk, I practice. If you walked into my house. It's like it looks like a witchy house. Whatever that means.

Yeah, what is a witchy house?

I have a sign that says the witches in us. I've got hearts outside. It looks like a little cottage.

Do your neighbors know you're a witch?

Everybody knows I'm a witch. Everybody knows that let their little.

Kids come and play around your house and stuff they do.

And I haven't baked a single one of them yet.

You haven't turned them into gingerbread yet.

I'm not that good of a cook.

I love that. But you, but you are a witch? Twenty four to seven.

Yeah, I mean, it's just who I am. It's not what I do. Again, even before I knew what a witchcraft was, and I didn't have religion in my life, I was communing with nature. What my craft is is my church is our little planet which needs it.

You know.

I follow moon cycles and sabbots and seasons, and I think what I'm glad that's coming up is because it really does give you a responsibility and an earth awareness. I mean, I like to play with fairies and things, and people are starting to see, you know, just like ghosts are bigger than ever, in paranormal encryptids and aliens, the veil is thinning. People are starting to see fairies and gnomes and because they've always been there, but I think they're showing themselves because we need to take take care of our planet.

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