The Best of Coast to Coast AMGeorge Noory and author Tobe Johnson explore his investigations into Bigfoot in the wilderness, encounters with the creature leaving him a gift and communicating with him telepathically, and if he believes Bigfoot may actually be coming to Earth from another dimension.
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And welcome back George Norri with you. Author, researcher, and producer Tob Johnson with Us has spent decades chasing the incredible stories of sasquatch, UFOs and the paranormal as they collide together. Tobe has dedicated his life to unraveling the bigger picture behind Bigfoot, exploring its connection to high strangeness, consciousness, and the unseen forces shaping our reality. His latest book is called The Owl Moon Lab of Paranormal Experiment. Tobe, Welcome back to the program.
George Norri, what an honor.
Thank you have you been.
I've been good, sir. It's good to hear your voice.
How did you get involved in bigfoot hunting?
Well, you know, all these bigfoot stories are a little bit lengthy. I'll give you the cliff Notes version here circa two thousand and five time frame.
My son Knife.
Found a footprint in the mud heading into the BlackBerry brambles. It got her larger. Story started for father and son, and we found out that bigfoot really wasn't a joke. It was something that other witnesses had seen time and time again, river guides, police officers, county officials. And so I started to put all these people together in a sleepy little bar in the Cascade Wilderness, a place called Ike's Pizza, and once a month we would kind of divulge, kind of like an AA meeting, our addiction for the phenomena, where witnesses and enthusiasts would come together, and you know, the trap was set.
George, you'd bitch it didn't it?
It did.
It took a big old bite out of me. So here we are, still twenty years later.
What did you start to conclude, Tobe.
Well, at first, it just seemed that there were obvious two camps. That there were the people that were looking at this from Newtonian natural science, that this was an evolved species explained by a fossil record that was looking at something called Gigantopithecus Blackie. And this was, you know, the naturalist theory. But then there was this other side that was somewhat tempting and alluring that said that this was connected to all the other mystery schools, including ghosts and UFOs. And that was the shorter road for me, because it seemed to produce more evidence that this is why it's so elusive, this is why the evidence is always falling short.
And that.
I started to experience these supernatural things in concert while I was falling up on eyewitness sightings in the Cascade Wilderness.
Is that the path tob that you eventually went down to believe that sasquatch is more supernatural than a physical being.
Well, the Native Americans told me that from the get and they pretty much just said, you know, you'll find out on your own and just approach this with respect and honor, and so I did, and it seemed to produce the results that indeed, this is something that is more supernaturally based than it is physical. Although there is physical aspects to it, but they can't be really measured or filmed, you know, And it should be something, if it is natural, that should be measured and filmed and study.
What convinced you finally that it was more towards the supernatural.
Well, for me, it was the lights, George, it was seeing these doggdon orbs. This is one of the first things that happened to me in what I would call an extended experience or a Sasquatch contact. These property, these people exist all over the planet, but we're just talking about Oregon right now. And so when I locked in a piece of property in the little town of Vida, Oregon, I saw these inexplicable, giant burst of white light that could not be explained. And this was in concert to finding footprints, having something run up behind me and stop within twelve inches from my backside, having my tent moved forty nine feet and stuck on top of a tree, and so all the telltale signs of witnesses saying, you know, we have this eight foot tall shadow, several of them prowling our property. To have the orbs in concert with that seemed to be beckoning me to look deeper at the supernatural link.
Did you have witnesses along with you, tob.
I did, Yeah, I did.
That always helps, of course, because this can really drive a person mad for the fact that a lot of the stuff you just can't prove and you can't get a picture of because it's so fleeting. This, you know, goes down into the documentary that we're doing here. A flash of beauty, which you know is described by one of the witnesses, Stan Avery, it's Bigfoot being just kind of this flash of enigmatic qualities and sometimes beautiful, sometimes horrifying, and so these are you know, it's a world, it's a grab bag really of mystery.
And there are families of them I assume are there.
Well yeah, because there there seems to be this humanity to whatever they are, you know, as enigmatic as this mystery, as there is this personhood to them. And we need look no further than the Sierra Sounds to talk about there being language and Georgia, if there's languages, researcher Scott Nelson said, working in tandem with Ron Moorehead, you know, he's looked at language as being a telltale sign that there is humanity because if we do have language, then we have a culture, because there is no language without there being a culture adaptation. And having heard this language firsthand George and the little town of Cottage Grove, I can tell you that there is this humanity to them.
Tell them do they come and go or do they come and stay?
Well, they can come and stay, especially if you're on one of these Sasquatch contact these property where they have the Jane goodall.
Kind of effect happening.
They kind of embed themselves and trust this relationship through this gifting process of bringing things and taking things, and that seems to amp up over time and trust develops between you and this I hate to use word species, but culture. And so this is what happened to me. This is the road that I always ened of going down. It's the ultimate research gift is to find a piece of land where you can kind of lock it down, you know, like Skinwalker ranch style, and study it a living laboratory.
Kind of panas a picture of the terrain that they would frequent.
Well, in this case, it's the tall trees, it's the doug Firs, George, It's the mighty cedar forest. And as they slope down in the Unquah Wilderness to the small ranch house of the al Moon Lab property owners garyl and Cindy Adams, who would invite me to live there and study this phenomena. You know, we're picturing rural farms kind of in a parabolic dish shaped valley where a river runs through it, filled with quartz, gold, natural springs and the phenomena.
What would you say was the biggest influence on the way you researched these beans.
I would say the biggest influence I had was you know, the predecessors of people that I had followed, including the likes of someone like Ron Moorehead and Tom Powell and Henry Franzoni. These were kind of like the Pacific Northwest three Horsemen that I leaned on to just kind of listen to what worked and what didn't work, and they were saying strange stuff. George like, in order to study this phenomenon, you have to kind of let it study. You don't go looking for them, just hang back and let them kind of vibe you out. And that's just goes, you know, counterintuitive when you're looking for an undocumented, natural answer.
It seemed to be the way to go, though.
Tob you're a producer, you've done documentaries on the wilderness. What do you think of the Patterson Gimlin film.
Well, I love it for me. It just keeps on showing.
More and more about the reality of what Patterson and Gimlin caught that faithful day. There's new studies being done and looked at through the work of a guy named Todd Gatewood who's enhancing these photos one frame at a time, and it's showing again that this is cannot be a suit just based upon the fact that there was no Hoam Latex to utilize.
Back in sixty seven, you had the.
Creators of Planet of the Apes and reps from Disney that we're saying that, you know, if someone faked this, we would have hired him by Now, what do you.
Think of the spoken word of the Sasquatch contactees? What are they?
Well, the spoken word of the Sasquatch contact these well, let's just take apart again with a Sasquatch contact. I mean it's kind of a loaded word, George, just based upon the fact contact E is, you know, pointing towards people that have UFO experiences and they've been utterly changed, much like the character ruined, and you know, close encounters of the third kind, same kind of phenomena where people get obsessed by either a fleeting encounter or long term encounter. And it seems to be related to this UFO conundrum as well, because a lot of these lights aren't just lights in the woods, they're also craft that appear to people as well. And if you talk to people like Linda Milton, Hell should tell you that people that have been abducted also see Harry humanoids on craft with them as though they've been abducted along for the ride. So this is the world of the Sasquatch contechte that generally isn't spoken about. You know, it's kind of in snickers if it is. But it's a serious world because of the fact that it changes your perspective, your whole worldview, and you just for the most part, can't put this mystery down.
Our guest is Tob Johnson. He is an author, producer and researcher has been hunting Bigfoot for how many years now?
Tob, I think we're getting up on twenty George.
Wow, how do people see your documentaries?
Well, I'd love it if they did.
Yeah, you can go check out a Flash of.
Beauty Bigfoot Revealed.
That's part one, and then a Flash of Beauty Paranormal Bigfoot. But we also have a Flash of Beauty three coming out from the First Nation's perspective coming out sometime expected twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six. And then our penultimate film coming out here on the Voices in the Wilderness that gets into the story of what not only happened to the guys in the High Sierras with Ron Moorehead's case and language, but beyond that the rest of the people that discovered the camp, and they're incredible encounters as well.
Tob What is the tailor effect tailor?
Yeah, well that was an aim coined by an old roommate of mine, and the tailor effect really is kind of encapsulates what's happening here because this phenomena provides moments of its visibility and its contact with you. It's trickster element, and it leaves you these inexplicable gifts, including approtations that happen out of nowhere, things that you've just spoken about, gifts, you know, laid inexplicable spots, including your vehicle, including your locked house, that are related to personal moments in your life. And they're so inexplicable, so bizarre, so crazy, that you can't really share them with anybody else because they may seem minute.
For example, the tailor effect.
Of something being perfectly sized up for you, like a tailored suit for you, and you only is a moment where I had a cell phone that was on the fritz. George Point, I'm already living on this property that we're calling the al Moon Lab and Cottage Grove, Oregon. We're having an abundance of supernatural activity.
And the bass layer is Bigfoot.
And so as I had these cell phone issues, I bring this up to the property owner and three days later, under the ore of my boat, my aluminum boat, was a muddy cell phone that was set kind of hidden under the ore of my boat. Now that was familiar territory, that something was paying attention to a conversation I always had. And these are the kind of strange gifts that you can't really tell anybody about because it just sounds too crazy that, you know, something found a muddy cell phone and it basically kind of like a genie a lamp is, you know, meeting a wish with a little bit of a wink and a nod and.
They can understand what you're talking about.
Well, language isn't a barrier for them, because mind speak is a part of this journey. If you can something that is not your voice communicating with you to come and go, stay, give you directions on certain things to do. These are what the Sasquatch contactes are saying that they has happened to them. Now, for the most part, that has never happened to me. I've kind of had to live off the experience of the Sasquatch contact these to kind of explore how this whole thing works. Although I've had strange stuff happen to me as well, I don't think I'm marked, And I think some of these contactees they're kind of marked.
For whatever reason. They're magnets.
Now, what do you mean by that, Well, they seem to be kind of chosen. They're usually experiencers of other strange stuff that happened to them in childhood, including their mother and father. But most of the contactes I've met had a lifetime of experience, either with a paranormal, super natural near death, or very strange events happening early on. And that's not always the case, but it's one of the things that I penned down over years.
How would you say that Sasquatch reacts with humans?
Tobe, Well, George, For the most part, it's it's there.
It seems to be their job to keep distance from humans, and so for that, I don't think we're talking about something that's really scary or dangerous. If it is scary dangerous, I think it's really an ultimate warning that you should leave for whatever reason. Now, there's other stories out there that would say differently, but for the most part they seem to be kind of disconnected from humanity.
You talked about the orbs, but how did you tie in the pure normal aspect with sasquatch.
Well, the orbs really refuse to go away, and they were in concert to things like footsteps, rock throwing, shadows, gifts, full on sightings, eye glow, which is far different than eyeshine because now we're talking about something that's putting.
Out its own light.
And so the orbs really can't be understated for just how enigmatic they are.
And we talk about that in.
Our second documentary, Flash of Beauty Paranormal Bigfoot, with scientist doctor Simeon Hine, who kind of explains what's happening with something called relic neutrinos, which basically his theory is that the building blocks of the Big Bang theory diverged into two separate.
Pathways.
One was kind of this energy evolution and one was this flesh of blood evolution. And whatever Bigfoot is kind of evolved into something tantamount to ball lightning. And so a lot of these enigmatic gaseous orbs or plasmoids they call them, now they seem to take form in and out of these balls of light as though they themselves are these plasma, you know, balls which very in size and shape. And our documentary we talked to a couple of witnesses that see a cube of yellow light that is transformed previously from this kind of orangutang looking bigfoot standing in.
The middle of the road.
And these guys are so compelling, so believable that you can, you know, see the goosebumps on their arms as they're telling the story.
Tob where do you think Sasquatch is from a different universe other dimensions.
Where well, they seem to be between the pages of the story. And that's as you know, that sounds like a mysterious quote. But this is such a mysterious thing, right like whatever is happening here with the visitors and what's coming right now with disclosure of the UFOs and us, they seem to be leaning on telling us a different story other than Zeta reticuli and outer space. They keep on mentioning inner space. And I think this is the issue that we're dealing with right now, is that we're dealing with something that is transdimensional. And this is the story that the Native Americans also basically explained to me along the years, is that this is, you know, a hairy forest friend or a different tribe.
But they come between two worlds.
What kind of intelligence do they possess?
Well, the ones I met seem to have vast intelligence and a vast sense of irony and humor. They love to play games and tricks. Most of the personality profile.
Seems to fit.
What I would say is kind of like teenage prankster kind of stuff, frat boy behavior. You can kind of imagine them sitting at the edge of the BlackBerry brambles watching you find their crazy sense of humor on display with a funny gift or a strange print, and you know, we got.
Really close to them, George.
They would come in on this property damn near nightly, sometimes during the day.
And was it always bigfoot? Well, we didn't really know.
But when you see these size fifteen inch footprints stamp down into the gravel, you know with toes that's impossible to do. It's almost impossible to even hope something like that.
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