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Welcome back George NORII with Vernon Mahumble back with us, Founder and director of the Palmistry Institute in Portland, Oregon. Vernon has formal training in Veda cosmology, which has taken him to India many many times, and he combines Eastern and Western astrological disciplines into his practice as well. His website is linked up at Coast tocoastam dot com. He's got a couple of books out, including The Palmistry Cards and Talk to the Hand. Vernon, Welcome back George.

Welcome back George NORII with Vernon Mahumble back with us, Founder and director of the Palmistry Institute in Portland, Oregon. Vernon has formal training in Veda cosmology, which has taken him to India many many times, and he combines Eastern and Western astrological disciplines into his practice as well. His website is linked up at Coast tocoastam dot com. He's got a couple of books out, including The Palmistry Cards and Talk to the Hand. Vernon, Welcome back George.

Fantastic to be back on with you. Thank you so much.

Fantastic to be back on with you. Thank you so much.

Looking forward to this. How did you get interested in palm reading?

Looking forward to this. How did you get interested in palm reading?

It all started when I was walking around New York and a friend pointed out a palmist who was sitting. She was sitting on an easy chair on forty second Street and and my friend said to me, get your palm ready, and I said okay. And I was about fifteen or sixteen at that time. And she looked at my palm and she said two things, don't get married too early, and number two, you're going to be doing what I'm doing. One day, I was like a bounded I was like thinking, really, I'm going to be sitting in a lawn chair on forty seconds three giving readings to people. But years later I met someone who became my palm, my stream teacher and mentor, and I was about twenty three twenty four at the time, and it actually became my career about five six seven years later.

It all started when I was walking around New York and a friend pointed out a palmist who was sitting. She was sitting on an easy chair on forty second Street and and my friend said to me, get your palm ready, and I said okay. And I was about fifteen or sixteen at that time. And she looked at my palm and she said two things, don't get married too early, and number two, you're going to be doing what I'm doing. One day, I was like a bounded I was like thinking, really, I'm going to be sitting in a lawn chair on forty seconds three giving readings to people. But years later I met someone who became my palm, my stream teacher and mentor, and I was about twenty three twenty four at the time, and it actually became my career about five six seven years later.

What constitutes the palm.

What constitutes the palm.

Well, it's our soul within our heart that's radiating all the lines and the configurations and the symbols on our hands. Even the shape of our hands, and the hand is our roadmap really of our life work, our life purpose. It talks about our talents, our emotions, and even our past lives.

Well, it's our soul within our heart that's radiating all the lines and the configurations and the symbols on our hands. Even the shape of our hands, and the hand is our roadmap really of our life work, our life purpose. It talks about our talents, our emotions, and even our past lives.

Now we've heard that every fingerprint is different. Is every palm print different?

Now we've heard that every fingerprint is different. Is every palm print different?

Every palm print is different because we're individuals. We're individual we're individualistic, and we're individual souls. So even the palms, the right and the left palm are completely different many times because one reflects the right brain and the other reflects the left brain. So even the two palms on our own hands can be quite different.

Every palm print is different because we're individuals. We're individual we're individualistic, and we're individual souls. So even the palms, the right and the left palm are completely different many times because one reflects the right brain and the other reflects the left brain. So even the two palms on our own hands can be quite different.

Why is there with law enforcement they talk about fingerprints, but they don't talk about palm prints.

Why is there with law enforcement they talk about fingerprints, but they don't talk about palm prints.

Well, George, they just haven't investigated that aspect. But really, the fingerprints don't change throughout one's life. The lines do move around a lot of configurations, and symbology does kind of fade or come into a play, but the fingerprints themselves, from birth to death never changed. So law enforcement uses them for identification purposes only, and they are right to do that because they are an individualistic print out of our sole purpose. But they're completely unaware of the extensive knowledge of life, purpose and past lives that they hold. Of course, they're not interested in that. They just got to find the criminals. But the fingerprints on our hands are completely different from each other. There's no fingerprint that's ever wrapped loated. It's it's completely amazing.

Well, George, they just haven't investigated that aspect. But really, the fingerprints don't change throughout one's life. The lines do move around a lot of configurations, and symbology does kind of fade or come into a play, but the fingerprints themselves, from birth to death never changed. So law enforcement uses them for identification purposes only, and they are right to do that because they are an individualistic print out of our sole purpose. But they're completely unaware of the extensive knowledge of life, purpose and past lives that they hold. Of course, they're not interested in that. They just got to find the criminals. But the fingerprints on our hands are completely different from each other. There's no fingerprint that's ever wrapped loated. It's it's completely amazing.

Now, your fingers are cut down into three digits, right, yeah, In.

Now, your fingers are cut down into three digits, right, yeah, In.

Other words, there are three segments on each one right.

Other words, there are three segments on each one right.

Which one is considered the fingerprint, the top one.

Which one is considered the fingerprint, the top one.

The very top one on the upper segments of your fingers. The fingerprints are the are embedded into the top section of the of the palm of the fingers.

The very top one on the upper segments of your fingers. The fingerprints are the are embedded into the top section of the of the palm of the fingers.

The palm starts where the fingers.

The palm starts where the fingers.

End absolutely and the fingers represent planets. For instance, the index finger is Jupiter, the middle finger Saturn, the ring finger is the Sun, and the pinky is Mercury. And if your index finger is longer it mean than your sun finger or your ring finger, it means that you're a very independent person and you want to have control over your life purpose and your life work. If the sun finger or the ring finger is longer than the index finger, it means that self expression is more important than just financial gain or having power and control. Many artists have really long ring fingers, and many CEOs have really long index fingers.

End absolutely and the fingers represent planets. For instance, the index finger is Jupiter, the middle finger Saturn, the ring finger is the Sun, and the pinky is Mercury. And if your index finger is longer it mean than your sun finger or your ring finger, it means that you're a very independent person and you want to have control over your life purpose and your life work. If the sun finger or the ring finger is longer than the index finger, it means that self expression is more important than just financial gain or having power and control. Many artists have really long ring fingers, and many CEOs have really long index fingers.

Now these lines in the palm, how do you know what they mean?

Now these lines in the palm, how do you know what they mean?

They're the chakra system. New agers know exactly what that is, the first chakra, second chakra, all the way to the seventh chakra. These lines have everything to do with the energy system of the chakras. And they do move around, and they do fade, and they do come into play, and they are a pretty much a secondary part of palmistry. When people George, when people think of palmistry, they mostly all was think of the lines, especially the lifeline. But there's there's much more deeply detailed information that gives knowledge of a person's sole purpose and their work lines don't do that. They just talk about if we're actually using our energies and we're getting things done, or if we're not. The chuckers are the energy systems.

They're the chakra system. New agers know exactly what that is, the first chakra, second chakra, all the way to the seventh chakra. These lines have everything to do with the energy system of the chakras. And they do move around, and they do fade, and they do come into play, and they are a pretty much a secondary part of palmistry. When people George, when people think of palmistry, they mostly all was think of the lines, especially the lifeline. But there's there's much more deeply detailed information that gives knowledge of a person's sole purpose and their work lines don't do that. They just talk about if we're actually using our energies and we're getting things done, or if we're not. The chuckers are the energy systems.

If you had ten people hold their palms up, would they look similar.

If you had ten people hold their palms up, would they look similar.

Absolutely not, because we're not similar. We're all we're all we're all individuals. We all have our individual talents and abilities. So now every poem you read is completely different, and it's kind of it's it's kind of like reading a book. People say, sometimes I grew up with with the statement, oh, well, life doesn't come with instructions, but actually to a promise that does. Our our hands are containing our instructions.

Absolutely not, because we're not similar. We're all we're all we're all individuals. We all have our individual talents and abilities. So now every poem you read is completely different, and it's kind of it's it's kind of like reading a book. People say, sometimes I grew up with with the statement, oh, well, life doesn't come with instructions, but actually to a promise that does. Our our hands are containing our instructions.

What does a palm say about the nature of our spiritual soul?

What does a palm say about the nature of our spiritual soul?

It's it says that ultimately we are not this material body, we are spiritual souls. We're eternal. Uh, We're just in this material world for a very short, temporary amount of time, and the soul is trying to get the attention of the the bearer to come to the conclusion of actually, uh, spiritual pursuits will give one happiness and fulfillment rather than temporary material pleasures.

It's it says that ultimately we are not this material body, we are spiritual souls. We're eternal. Uh, We're just in this material world for a very short, temporary amount of time, and the soul is trying to get the attention of the the bearer to come to the conclusion of actually, uh, spiritual pursuits will give one happiness and fulfillment rather than temporary material pleasures.

Do you ever see a soul.

Do you ever see a soul.

No, uh, the the human I cannot see the soul. But the soul is within the heart. It's within the most inner core of the heart. And according to the Vedic view, it's one ten thousands the size of the tip of a hair. So that means if you take the tip of a hair and cut into a hundred pieces, and you take one of those pieces and cut it into another one hundred pieces, that's the size of the soul. So we don't have the scientific technology to view a soul.

No, uh, the the human I cannot see the soul. But the soul is within the heart. It's within the most inner core of the heart. And according to the Vedic view, it's one ten thousands the size of the tip of a hair. So that means if you take the tip of a hair and cut into a hundred pieces, and you take one of those pieces and cut it into another one hundred pieces, that's the size of the soul. So we don't have the scientific technology to view a soul.

Does it have shape?

Does it have shape?

Yes, this soul is not just an energy or a light or something. It actually has a form. In other words, in the spiritual world, we could be a man or a woman, or a boy or a girl, or we have a form, but that form does not die. It doesn't have a material body. There's no birth, there's no death, there's no disease, and there's no old age. The soul is eternally youthful. Whatever type of body we have.

Yes, this soul is not just an energy or a light or something. It actually has a form. In other words, in the spiritual world, we could be a man or a woman, or a boy or a girl, or we have a form, but that form does not die. It doesn't have a material body. There's no birth, there's no death, there's no disease, and there's no old age. The soul is eternally youthful. Whatever type of body we have.

When you die, the soul separates.

When you die, the soul separates.

Correct at the time of death, whatever one thinks about, they take that body. Whatever one is attached to the subtle body, and that's the mind, the intelligence, and the ego it's the material covering of the soul, and that material covering that takes us to another body. It's called transmigration of the soul. So whatever we're attached to in this lifetime, we focus on that at the time of death, and then we take on that body.

Correct at the time of death, whatever one thinks about, they take that body. Whatever one is attached to the subtle body, and that's the mind, the intelligence, and the ego it's the material covering of the soul, and that material covering that takes us to another body. It's called transmigration of the soul. So whatever we're attached to in this lifetime, we focus on that at the time of death, and then we take on that body.

Does the soul echo the size of the human body?

Does the soul echo the size of the human body?

Well, interestingly enough, yours. A soul shrinks when it comes into the material world, and the soul is actually brighter than the sun. In the spiritual world. Our soul is radiant, and the sun, the sun planet is incredibly hot and bright, and it's an enormous sphere, but it's still it's still something material. Whereas the souls in the spiritual world they're full of devotion and love, mercy, empathy, humility, and they shine, They just it and the spiritual world is fully illuminated by the entities themselves.

Well, interestingly enough, yours. A soul shrinks when it comes into the material world, and the soul is actually brighter than the sun. In the spiritual world. Our soul is radiant, and the sun, the sun planet is incredibly hot and bright, and it's an enormous sphere, but it's still it's still something material. Whereas the souls in the spiritual world they're full of devotion and love, mercy, empathy, humility, and they shine, They just it and the spiritual world is fully illuminated by the entities themselves.

Whereabouts in the body vernon is the soul.

Whereabouts in the body vernon is the soul.

It's in the most innercore of the heart. Uh. That's why, uh, that's why, that's why. Uh what we when we think of ourselves and we point to our cells, we point to the heart when when we're praying or where we're saying, oh my God, we put our hands on our heart, because that's where the soul is, and the soul radiates its methods through the arms into the agency of the hands, and the soul has a lot to say.

It's in the most innercore of the heart. Uh. That's why, uh, that's why, that's why. Uh what we when we think of ourselves and we point to our cells, we point to the heart when when we're praying or where we're saying, oh my God, we put our hands on our heart, because that's where the soul is, and the soul radiates its methods through the arms into the agency of the hands, and the soul has a lot to say.

Does it have anything to do with the brain.

Does it have anything to do with the brain.

The brain is consciousness, but again it has to do with the material covering called the subtle body, which is composed of mind, intelligence, and ego, and that can change from body to body to body. The brain gives logic and reason and analyzation, but it's the soul within the heart. This is why intuition is much more powerful because it's the intuition comes from the heart, the emotions and the feelings. So when one is intuitive, that intuition is so much more powerful than just logic and reason.

The brain is consciousness, but again it has to do with the material covering called the subtle body, which is composed of mind, intelligence, and ego, and that can change from body to body to body. The brain gives logic and reason and analyzation, but it's the soul within the heart. This is why intuition is much more powerful because it's the intuition comes from the heart, the emotions and the feelings. So when one is intuitive, that intuition is so much more powerful than just logic and reason.

You believe in reincarnation vernon absolutely and in in in in the spiritual realm, it's called the transmigration of the soul, and.

You believe in reincarnation vernon absolutely and in in in in the spiritual realm, it's called the transmigration of the soul, and.

It means that we can we can continue to receive uh one body after another and the it's it's it's fascinating because a person who is like a searcher George or a seeker, someone who asks these questions, who is God? What is my purpose in life? What am I here, for they've probably have already taken on at least one hundred material human bodies. Because if someone is is just on the planet and uh there, they don't inquire. They're not inquisitive about the you know, let's say spiritual life or or or or transcendence. They've probably just had a few human births and they're still trying to enjoy pleasures within the material world. But then when when one becomes more advanced, they they they realize, actually, you know, I find happiness in this mature world, but I'm not I'm not I'm not content, I'm not satisfied. I'm not fully fulfilled. So when a soul starts to think, well, why is it that I'm enjoying in this maturer world? I'm enjoying all the fruits of my labors, but I'm not fulfilled. I get temporary happiness, and there's there's there's there's also pain and suffering. Why why do I have to go through this? So, after many many births and death in a human body, a person finally begins to come to an understanding of what am I doing here? And the hand shows that progression of of advancement of consciousness and there is no such thing yours as an old soul. All souls are eternal. But the idea here is that the old soul is someone who has been on a search for meaning for a few lifetimes.

It means that we can we can continue to receive uh one body after another and the it's it's it's fascinating because a person who is like a searcher George or a seeker, someone who asks these questions, who is God? What is my purpose in life? What am I here, for they've probably have already taken on at least one hundred material human bodies. Because if someone is is just on the planet and uh there, they don't inquire. They're not inquisitive about the you know, let's say spiritual life or or or or transcendence. They've probably just had a few human births and they're still trying to enjoy pleasures within the material world. But then when when one becomes more advanced, they they they realize, actually, you know, I find happiness in this mature world, but I'm not I'm not I'm not content, I'm not satisfied. I'm not fully fulfilled. So when a soul starts to think, well, why is it that I'm enjoying in this maturer world? I'm enjoying all the fruits of my labors, but I'm not fulfilled. I get temporary happiness, and there's there's there's there's also pain and suffering. Why why do I have to go through this? So, after many many births and death in a human body, a person finally begins to come to an understanding of what am I doing here? And the hand shows that progression of of advancement of consciousness and there is no such thing yours as an old soul. All souls are eternal. But the idea here is that the old soul is someone who has been on a search for meaning for a few lifetimes.

But the phrase old soul seems to be a good thing.

But the phrase old soul seems to be a good thing.

Oh, it's a wonderful thing. Yeah, but you know, it does conjure the idea up that some souls are new or they're but all souls, we're all eternal, we're we're In Sanskrit, the soul is called sacha ananda. It means that it's eternal, it's it's always joyful, and it's all. It always has awareness, and it's never confused. That and that sascha and nanda does not follow one into the material world. We're constantly making mistakes. But when we when we decide to uh come to the conclusion of the that this material world is not really our home, we're not meant to be here, then then people start making spiritual uh in roads and they try to make spiritual advancement and and the result is that a person becomes humble inside, very very tolerant, and at the same time very very very happy because they realize even they they realize that this, this material world is not the source source of their pleasure. It's it's what is the source of pleasure is to understand that I'm not part of this material world. And love is love is the key. Love, Love is the answer whatever God a person believes in. God is love. And even Christ said, uh, live in the world, but don't be of it. And that's the key. If one lives in the world and they're they're not so much part of it. They're not attached. There's nothing wrong with utilizing uh, you know, sell phones and cars and like that, but don't be attached. The more we're attached, the more we were not happy. But if we utilize the fruits of the mature world but we're not attached to them and we're constantly thinking of how to advance in spiritual life, we will be happy. And that's what that's the message of the soul that is radiating within our hand.

Oh, it's a wonderful thing. Yeah, but you know, it does conjure the idea up that some souls are new or they're but all souls, we're all eternal, we're we're In Sanskrit, the soul is called sacha ananda. It means that it's eternal, it's it's always joyful, and it's all. It always has awareness, and it's never confused. That and that sascha and nanda does not follow one into the material world. We're constantly making mistakes. But when we when we decide to uh come to the conclusion of the that this material world is not really our home, we're not meant to be here, then then people start making spiritual uh in roads and they try to make spiritual advancement and and the result is that a person becomes humble inside, very very tolerant, and at the same time very very very happy because they realize even they they realize that this, this material world is not the source source of their pleasure. It's it's what is the source of pleasure is to understand that I'm not part of this material world. And love is love is the key. Love, Love is the answer whatever God a person believes in. God is love. And even Christ said, uh, live in the world, but don't be of it. And that's the key. If one lives in the world and they're they're not so much part of it. They're not attached. There's nothing wrong with utilizing uh, you know, sell phones and cars and like that, but don't be attached. The more we're attached, the more we were not happy. But if we utilize the fruits of the mature world but we're not attached to them and we're constantly thinking of how to advance in spiritual life, we will be happy. And that's what that's the message of the soul that is radiating within our hand.

Vernon is the soul like the astral body.

Vernon is the soul like the astral body.

No, the astral body is a temporary body. The astral body when we sleep at night. Sometimes that astral body can go all over the place you can go, but it sometimes it even contacts the ghostly realm, and it could be very fearful.

No, the astral body is a temporary body. The astral body when we sleep at night. Sometimes that astral body can go all over the place you can go, but it sometimes it even contacts the ghostly realm, and it could be very fearful.

As it comes back.

As it comes back.

Right, Yeah, exactly. Actually, when we sleep at night, George, the soul does not leave the body. That body that you're talking about, the subtle body, the mind, the intelligence that that leaves the body. And sometimes you know, when we're woken up like violently or something, that that's that that that that subtle body has to come back into the body really quick. Sometimes it happens, and this is rare, but sometimes it happens that a ghostly entity will try to enter into the physical body of a sleeping person while the subtle body is away. And when a subtle body comes back, you know, it's it feels like a nightmare.

Right, Yeah, exactly. Actually, when we sleep at night, George, the soul does not leave the body. That body that you're talking about, the subtle body, the mind, the intelligence that that leaves the body. And sometimes you know, when we're woken up like violently or something, that that's that that that that subtle body has to come back into the body really quick. Sometimes it happens, and this is rare, but sometimes it happens that a ghostly entity will try to enter into the physical body of a sleeping person while the subtle body is away. And when a subtle body comes back, you know, it's it feels like a nightmare.

That happens sometimes. It truly is fascinating. It's a science, isn't it.

That happens sometimes. It truly is fascinating. It's a science, isn't it.

Yeah, you know, the yes, it is. The palm is an astrological chart for a palmist, and anything that an astrologer can see, a palmist can see. For instance, we're just talking about the fingers and the fingerprints. If you look at your hand and either right or left, you'll see that each finger has three segments and there's twelve segments there and those are the signs of in astrology. The sign signs meaning aries tarist, Gemini, cancer, Leo, Virgo. Like that.

Yeah, you know, the yes, it is. The palm is an astrological chart for a palmist, and anything that an astrologer can see, a palmist can see. For instance, we're just talking about the fingers and the fingerprints. If you look at your hand and either right or left, you'll see that each finger has three segments and there's twelve segments there and those are the signs of in astrology. The sign signs meaning aries tarist, Gemini, cancer, Leo, Virgo. Like that.

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